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#1 Apr 15 2010 at 6:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Though I would never actively break the rules set forth I don't much agree with them either. With that said, I still welcome any information I can get my hands on however it may come to be.
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Hey Pikko. My question is not so much what we think of the leaks, but what does SE think. I mean I am sure they were expecting it to some degree and I am sure it is important to them, but is it more than they expected. If so are you guys and other sites receiveing metric tons of pressure from SE on the NDA? Or are they not quite that worried about it? More of a monitor it, attempt to control it, but if info slips out no big deal just more hype for SE - kind of attitude? This is of course assuming you have enough insider/behind the scenes information about SE to make that kind of judgement. Anyways just curious really.
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#4 Apr 15 2010 at 7:57 PM Rating: Good
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The alpha leaks really got me more excited about FFXIV. Finally we get a glimpse at the interface, the battle controls, the experience style leveling etc. And even still, it's not like SE is giving too much away, because the alpha only shows a small portion of the full game.

I don't see how any of the alpha leaks can be considered bad publicity. Yeah, there are bugs and crashes shown, but there is not a game in existence that doesn't have bugs while it is still being developed.

I'm not saying that breaking the NDA is right, but I'm also saying that SE must have known there would be leaks and accepted that as a consequence for getting free alpha testers.
#5 Apr 15 2010 at 8:14 PM Rating: Decent
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My opinion is... hmm..

I'm tired of all the useless speculation that is going on in the forums so leaks satisfy me a fair bit. People arguing getting into flame wars and what not all over a game.

It's not like I'm playing the game too so it's nice to see the occasional gameplay to give me a feel for it or not. I will do testing to help the game better but i would most likely test just for the ability to play the game.

I scavenge everything too. I watched pretty much all the leak stuff, belong to a few leak forums and really don't ignore anything. The only thing i don't have is access to the forums but people are posting the info SE posts... so i don't really need to.

If there was no leaks though i wouldn't be bothered... but i wouldn't be quite as happy as when i see a new screenshot or gameplay video covering all the new juicy alpha bits.
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I guess I'm in the 'I'll take any info I can get' category. Though any info that does come out makes the wait to play the game that much harder...
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I do love reading the leaks, and voted as such.

At the same time, I do respect the site policy regarding the NDA, so I won't be doing any such posting, myself. I figure that it's up to the site to make a value judgement about the NDA: if it's worth it to not offend SE, then by all means, keep the official policy going. The flip side of the coin is that the information can always be found elsewhere...does ZAM want its members jumping ship to sites that have an open door policy on leaks for the time being?
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#8 Apr 15 2010 at 8:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Whilst I can understand why SE would be at pains to keep its IP under wraps for commercial reasons, the community which played FFXI or other games (and who will play FFXIV) want insight into what they are expecting to pay money to play. I respect their right to withhold information, but at the same time, they need to understand that respect is a two way street.

This is particularly critical in a MMORPG sphere - without a community, you don't have a successful game.

Rather than locking its community out of the development process, there should be drive towards involving the community in the design and development of the end product.

That is, if SE don't want to have people looking for leaked information (and therefore somebody willing to supply it), they open MORE communication with the public. This way, they can control the information streams, and there will be less incentive for leaks to occur.

What needs to be understood is that long-time subscribers to MMORPGs is that they are deriving a very healthy revenue stream from their communities (for example, I subscribed to FFXI for nearly five years, at around $18/month x 60 months, that's over $1000 SE generated from my loyalty alone).
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At the same time, I do respect the site policy regarding the NDA, so I won't be doing any such posting, myself. I figure that it's up to the site to make a value judgement about the NDA: if it's worth it to not offend SE, then by all means, keep the official policy going. The flip side of the coin is that the information can always be found elsewhere...does ZAM want its members jumping ship to sites that have an open door policy on leaks for the time being?


it has nothing to do with that. Zam has an obligation to companies like these in order to get perks that many other sites do not. One such thing was the invites for existing FFXI members that went out.

If they didn't monitor the NDA and stop people from posting i can almost bet they wouldn't get these things and SE would be very displeased with them. They do have a very positive image for a good reason, personally i don't like deleted the stuff, but i understand why.

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At the same time, I do respect the site policy regarding the NDA, so I won't be doing any such posting, myself. I figure that it's up to the site to make a value judgement about the NDA: if it's worth it to not offend SE, then by all means, keep the official policy going. The flip side of the coin is that the information can always be found elsewhere...does ZAM want its members jumping ship to sites that have an open door policy on leaks for the time being?


it has nothing to do with that. Zam has an obligation to companies like these in order to get perks that many other sites do not. One such thing was the invites for existing FFXI members that went out.

If they didn't monitor the NDA and stop people from posting i can almost bet they wouldn't get these things and SE would be very displeased with them. They do have a very positive image for a good reason, personally i don't like deleted the stuff, but i understand why.


It has nothing to do with what? You just said the same thing that I was suggesting. I just said that it's a value judgement for ZAM, based on whether they value SE's perks, or the benefits of posting leaks more.

I should add that the mods have my sympathy on trying to police this stuff. Especially with some of the new ones...it's very difficult to tell whether a leak is sanctioned by SE (something that say, finds its way over from a japanese site) or if it's coming straight from an alpha tester. The sources aren't always readily identifiable, which has added a lot of gray area to determining what constitutes a "leak".

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#11 Apr 15 2010 at 8:46 PM Rating: Good
It's a little late to be concerned about it at this point. Monitoring these forums and dealing with leaked information requires more resources than are available at present, and after a while the source of the information becomes a blur. I've already caught myself a number of times canceling a response to a post because...oh wait...ya, the answer to that came from a leak. And given that SE apparently has arrangements with some sites to post leaked information, sorting out what is or isn't a leak is already turning into a mess.

I don't google for leaks if for no other reason than I didn't want to confuse myself and start barfing out information that I thought came from an interview or Famitsu or something only to realize that it wasn't supposed to be available to the general public. Still, what is or isn't "prohibited" information has pretty much lost all meaning. SE wanted an NDA and then they ****** themselves in the *** by giving select people rights to blog about the alpha. To **** with them. They're playing favorites and while I don't think that gives me or anyone else carte blanche to start spamming links and deliberately posting leaked information for discussion, I have no further interest in trying to censor my own discussions out of respect for their privacy policies during the testing.
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I feel kinda hypocritical about this, honestly. Since we're only in Alpha, I'm afraid that a lot of the information we're seeing is going to be changed by the time release rolls around, and I'd like to ultimately see correct info put out. On the other hand, I long for this MMO to be released, so any information I can get is like Christmas morning. It's a love/hate thing for me, so I'm torn on how to respond. Ultimately though, the decision rests with Squenix, and if they feel that too much information is out there, they'll make the call.

I'm surprised that they're allowing Japanese media to release information at the amount that they have, so I hope that's a good indication of the level of communication we'll be seeing from them for XIV. I'm not too torn up about the whole Japanese vs. US/EU thing either, since the information gets to us no matter what (i.e Elmer and other site translators).
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I enjoy the leaks and I also think it is a valid marketing campaign. It is human nature to want something that we cannot have, and the leak of information that is considered confidential/secret (protected by a NDA) is very attractive almost to the point of car wreck syndrome. We all know car wrecks are bad, but I'll be damned if I see a car full of people NOT looking at the accident. It is very possible that they are using this "alpha testing leaks" to build momentum and excitement for their unreleased game. You can't open something up to the whole internet and expect people to click twice and agree to not share what they're experiencing. If Square really wanted the Alpha to be closed doors, they would've kept the project behind closed doors with only Square-Enix employees/family members.
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#14 Apr 15 2010 at 8:55 PM Rating: Good
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The whole concept has never made sense to me. NDA's only really work if your game is crap. If the game is actually good more word of mouth just can't hurt.

My two cents, anyway.
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SE wanted an NDA and then they @#%^ed themselves in the *** by giving select people rights to blog about the alpha. To **** with them. They're playing favorites and while I don't think that gives me or anyone else carte blanche to start spamming links and deliberately posting leaked information for discussion, I have no further interest in trying to censor my own discussions out of respect for their privacy policies during the testing.


Seriously? I had just assumed that those alpha blogs were universally in violation of the NDA. If SE is allowing certain sites to blog about the alpha, how on earth do they expect us to take an NDA seriously? That's just too inconsistent, and lends itself to the very issues that we're talking about.
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I'm with AureliusSir. I like reading the information that shows up, honestly, but I am trying to just absorb it and not discuss it at this stage, because it's becoming impossible to sort out where the information or simple fact came from. Every time I think of an answer to a question someone asked on the forum, I second guess myself. And I find myself re-reading EVERY stupid article just to make sure that one fact came from a valid source.

I'ts frustrating, so I am just taking in the info instead. Kinda have the mindset that anything bad could get fixed, and anything good is just encouraging - so I doubt any of it could ruin my idea of the game.
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#17 Apr 15 2010 at 9:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Honestly, in the "Alpha" testing, its good for SOME things to get out. Its still limited information, and just really solidifies the speculation. There hasnt been anything game breaking(new classes, etc.) yet, and there probably wont be for some time.

Would I break the NDA? No. Will I read posts from people breaking the NDA, yes. Excites me more as I wait for the Beta to launch.
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#18 Apr 15 2010 at 9:28 PM Rating: Decent
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SE wanted an NDA and then they @#%^ed themselves in the *** by giving select people rights to blog about the alpha. To **** with them. They're playing favorites and while I don't think that gives me or anyone else carte blanche to start spamming links and deliberately posting leaked information for discussion, I have no further interest in trying to censor my own discussions out of respect for their privacy policies during the testing.


Seriously? I had just assumed that those alpha blogs were universally in violation of the NDA. If SE is allowing certain sites to blog about the alpha, how on earth do they expect us to take an NDA seriously? That's just too inconsistent, and lends itself to the very issues that we're talking about.


At this point, it would appear that the NDA serves the sole purpose of giving SE recourse to fire of C&D orders to people who post negative reviews of the game while it's in testing. Trying to police neutral or favorable reviews at this point would be an exercise in futility.
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I love the leaks. They make me feel like I'm in the alpha even though I'm not, and in fact people who are keeping up with the leaks probably know more about the game than the alpha testers who don't.

It's not like the people who aren't in the alpha are any different than the people who are otherwise, though currently most of the people who know enough to find the info know enough to overlook the problems that occur in the alpha.

Dunno how I'd feel about it if the game looked bad, but so far the game looks great, so the leaks have me super excited.
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NDA is there simply to give magazines like Fatismu exclusive coverage of the game so they can sell some issues. If they really needed it to be kept secret they'd of kept it as a private test.
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I know I am among many who are very excited for this game. So I chose the "I'll take whatever info I can get" option. With SE releasing very little info as it is, a game this big will be bound to have leaks. The info for FFXIV is in such high demand from the players.
I know that I wouldn't break the NDA, but there will always someone who likes to break the rules and with beta around the corner. One can just assume there will be more...
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I do believe this is the first time I've been in the minority on an issue such as this, particularly such a minuscule minority. I've been trying very hard to avoid the leaks, although it's proven next to impossible. I can understand why people like the leaks so much, and as such I'm sure people will find hundreds of counterpoints to my arguments. However, here are my two cents on the opposing argument, from most important in my mind to least:

  • This is an alpha

  • I mean seriously, we're not even up to beta yet, the game has a long bit of development and tuning to go yet, and for the time being, I'd rather have my information from people who actually know what will be in the game from moment to moment. Leaks at this point in time have only slightly higher chance of being true by the time the game comes out as speculation based on screenshots. At least when a developer talks about an element in the game that is in the alpha but might not make the cut, they will say something like "we're thinking about X" or "right now we're playing with Y", all an alpha tester can do is say what they're seeing at any given moment.

    With getting info from a developer, you're going to have to live with a little spin, sure, but at least the info isn't jaded by someone who has no affiliation with the actual development cycle; which brings me to my next point.

  • It displays a lack of professionalism

  • I know this may seem a little petty, but they were selected by SE to have a look at an unfinished game and find problems with it. These leaks make me think one of two things are happening. Either the alpha testers are finding problems and then leaking what they find, in which case they're just producing bad publicity. Or they're not looking for problems and just using the experience as an excuse to take a joy ride in SE's latest Opus, then displaying pictures of what they're experiencing. The fallout of which is at least good publicity, but it's not going to make the game any better.

    Finally, and winner of the dead horse awarde:

  • It's not very honorable of them

  • It's not like they're going to suffer any ramifications by leaking the info, after all, what with the information age already nearly over, and moving on to the next one, hiding your identity on the internet is as easy as using a VPN or proxy. But it's awfully depressing evidence of the existence of the less savory side of the human condition if we feel perfectly fine signing (clicking) an agreement to do something and then totally and completely disregard it.



    Well, thank you for putting up with my mini-rant/argument. It is not like I do not understand the other side of the fence, but I honestly don't believe the benefits are worth the cost (to use a cliche). I welcome any rebuttal as I would love for someone to convince me that the leaks are for the good. I'm just as curious as the next man, but the above reasons still my Google, as it were.
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    I don't think the leaks are that bad...the current Alpha state is pretty impressive.

    I can't wait for the final product.
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    I know this may seem a little petty, but they were selected by SE to have a look at an unfinished game and find problems with it. These leaks make me think one of two things are happening. Either the alpha testers are finding problems and then leaking what they find, in which case they're just producing bad publicity. Or they're not looking for problems and just using the experience as an excuse to take a joy ride in SE's latest Opus, then displaying pictures of what they're experiencing. The fallout of which is at least good publicity, but it's not going to make the game any better.


    Not going to bother addressing all of your arguments, because frankly I just don't really care, but to give you some idea of the state of the alpha testers:

    The people who were selected for the alpha test were basically chosen randomly, not based on any real ability. There are generally two kinds of testers.

    The one's who want to make the game better. These are the ones who do their job and submit bug reports. These are also the group of people who most of the leakers belong to. Most of them only have good things to say about the game so far, aside from outright bugs which will obviously be fixed before retail.

    Then there are the ones who just view it as an opportunity to play the game early. These testers **** and moan because the game isn't in a particularly playable state right now. They aren't exactly the most community-oriented people-- in it for themselves. Likewise, they aren't leaking much information. In fact they do the vast majority of their whining on the beta forum.
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    I say leak more, leak more! Everything looks good so far they have nothing to lose and maybe a whole lot of extra hype to gain.
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    The one's who want to make the game better. These are the ones who do their job and submit bug reports. These are also the group of people who most of the leakers belong to. Most of them only have good things to say about the game so far, aside from outright bugs which will obviously be fixed before retail.


    That's fair enough, I suppose it is true that the most likely leakers are those who have a vested interest in the game itself. I resend that point, although it doesn't change the fact that if they really wanted what was best for the game, they would avoid leaking anything, for the fairly high probability of leaking something that will never actually be seen by other players in anything resembling it's currently form. As I said though, you make an excellent point, and I apologize for my previous statement, it was poorly thought out.
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    I kinda feel bad about the entire soundtrack leaking but other than that, having this information is quite nice.

    I'm just really glad that they only have 20% of the game to experience. Nothing I hate more than seeing everything a game has in it before I play it.

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    The testing is there to provide feedback.
    Leaking provides a way bigger source of feedback, why not embrace it.
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    That's fair enough, I suppose it is true that the most likely leakers are those who have a vested interest in the game itself. I resend that point, although it doesn't change the fact that if they really wanted what was best for the game, they would avoid leaking anything, for the fairly high probability of leaking something that will never actually be seen by other players in anything resembling it's currently form. As I said though, you make an excellent point, and I apologize for my previous statement, it was poorly thought out.


    Most of them are quick to remind us, like SE, that this is just an alpha version, or that these are just .dats, and that all things thus far are subject to change. In light of that rather hardy disclaimer, I think the potential damage to the game is very minimal, while these certain community-minded people are trying to be equitable to the people who didn't get into the alpha yet are still extremely curious.

    I mean, imagine for example that you are in the alpha. Are you going to be excited about the game and understanding about the bugs and other issues? If so, then does that fact change if you're not actually in the alpha? For the most part, the only difference between the people who are in the alpha and have firsthand information, and the people who aren't and have to get second or thirdhand information... are whether or not they're in the alpha. If anything, more of the ones who might have whined if they were in the alpha are actually appreciative to get some information, and would likely be bitter if they weren't getting the same privileged information that's being given to freeloading whiners who were accepted.

    I'm just telling you how I see it, though it doesn't really matter to me whether people agree with me. I bothered to explain it to you because you seemed genuinely openminded. You have nothing to apologize for, but I appreciate the gesture.
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    Leaks are fine, as long as the general public doesn't know about them.

    Those are the kind of people who look at the unfinished alpha build and go "eww that looks so ****** and unpolished, this game sucks" and think that every tidbit of info = fact. If you can't respec in alpha, you can't respec in retail. If there's no proper lightning in alpha, there won't be one in retail.

    But who cares if those who understand this stuff can look at the game's progression closer and closer to retail? Not SE.

    Of course there are internet police around that take it as a personal insult if someone leaks info, but it's silly considering even SE isn't so butthurt about it.
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    I think if they put more info out (understand its still the alpha stage) then the leaks wouldnt be such a problem. I like the info to understand where they are now and see the changes that make the game to be what it will be when finished. Show the improvements kinda like showing your work.
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    I think if they put more info out (understand its still the alpha stage) then the leaks wouldnt be such a problem


    It's not really a problem at all.
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    It's gotten me more excited for the game's actual release, that's for sure. SE may publicly say they want to avoid it, but it creates a buzz for their game plus it also gives them a chance to see people other than the Alpha Testers discuss how they feel about what they've seen so far.
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    99% of the time I don't even read/look at them, because I know that the game is still in alpha, which means anything that leaks is completely subject to change before I ever get to use it.

    Kind of makes it worthless.
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    99% of the time I don't even read/look at them, because I know that the game is still in alpha, which means anything that leaks is completely subject to change before I ever get to use it.

    Kind of makes it worthless.


    Most people aren't looking at leaks for information on the finished product. They're looking for a peak at how things stand. The chances of a major overhaul on any given system of the game between now and launch are not enormous. It's possible, but things like general UI, visuals, basic combat systems etc...well, let's just say an overhaul at this point would set development back by a fairly significant amount of time. It's costing SE money above and beyond general development costs to run these tests. They wouldn't have gone to a semi-public alpha if they didn't think they were on the right track with most systems.
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    Most people aren't looking at leaks for information on the finished product. They're looking for a peak at how things stand. The chances of a major overhaul on any given system of the game between now and launch are not enormous. It's possible, but things like general UI, visuals, basic combat systems etc...well, let's just say an overhaul at this point would set development back by a fairly significant amount of time. It's costing SE money above and beyond general development costs to run these tests. They wouldn't have gone to a semi-public alpha if they didn't think they were on the right track with most systems.


    Completely true. The game will generally be the same as alpha/beta there will obviously be more added to it an they make tweak rates an such an fix bugs but the game as is is most likely going to be what we see an do at launch. After launch they may do some major gameplay mechanic changing patches (starwars galaxies fail) but i doubt it.
    #37 Apr 16 2010 at 12:00 PM Rating: Good
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    I mean, imagine for example that you are in the alpha. Are you going to be excited about the game and understanding about the bugs and other issues? If so, then does that fact change if you're not actually in the alpha? For the most part, the only difference between the people who are in the alpha and have firsthand information, and the people who aren't and have to get second or thirdhand information... are whether or not they're in the alpha. If anything, more of the ones who might have whined if they were in the alpha are actually appreciative to get some information, and would likely be bitter if they weren't getting the same privileged information that's being given to freeloading whiners who were accepted.


    The only difficulty I have with that idea is that we're already seeing people who are looking at snippets of leaked information and, having not had a chance themselves to participate in the alpha and form a well rounded impression, they misinterpret what they've seen and respond based on that misinterpretation. I don't really expect that SE is going to be investing a ton of time going outside the beta forums to see what people are saying about the game...I would imagine that if they did, they'd be staring at their browsers shaking their heads at how quickly people jump to erroneous conclusions based on a snippet here and a screenshot there. It just wouldn't be effective use of time.

    SE knows their playerbase, and longer I spend in these forums being reminded of the lunacy that passes for the mindset of altogether too many dedicated fans, my impression of SE is slowly changing from "the company that doesn't listen and doesn't get it" to "the company that tried listening and realized it was largely a waste of time." I honestly believe that what SE really needs right now, more than rewarding the loyalty of long time FFXI players or playing favorites with web-based media sources, is to get some fresh blood in testing the game. Call it lateral entry, letting go of the past, or just smart business practice, the idea of a gaggle of FFXI players offering feedback on FFXIV makes me nervous as all ****.

    Alpha less, beta moar. Commence with the red arrow firing squad.
    #38 Apr 16 2010 at 12:07 PM Rating: Decent
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    The One and Only AureliusSir wrote:
    Zackary wrote:
    99% of the time I don't even read/look at them, because I know that the game is still in alpha, which means anything that leaks is completely subject to change before I ever get to use it.

    Kind of makes it worthless.


    Most people aren't looking at leaks for information on the finished product. They're looking for a peak at how things stand. The chances of a major overhaul on any given system of the game between now and launch are not enormous. It's possible, but things like general UI, visuals, basic combat systems etc...well, let's just say an overhaul at this point would set development back by a fairly significant amount of time. It's costing SE money above and beyond general development costs to run these tests. They wouldn't have gone to a semi-public alpha if they didn't think they were on the right track with most systems.
    That being said, I already know what to expect from most of the things I've seen. We all can pretty much assume the UI doesn't differ a ton from XI, and while the art is prettier, it's not a far cry from what we've seen from Enix in the past.

    I usually read the "OMG SHOCKING" stuff, but things like "Hey look more screenshots" is a waste of time.
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    #39 Apr 16 2010 at 12:12 PM Rating: Default
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    Most people aren't looking at leaks for information on the finished product. They're looking for a peak at how things stand. The chances of a major overhaul on any given system of the game between now and launch are not enormous. It's possible, but things like general UI, visuals, basic combat systems etc...well, let's just say an overhaul at this point would set development back by a fairly significant amount of time. It's costing SE money above and beyond general development costs to run these tests. They wouldn't have gone to a semi-public alpha if they didn't think they were on the right track with most systems.
    That being said, I already know what to expect from most of the things I've seen. We all can pretty much assume the UI doesn't differ a ton from XI, and while the art is prettier, it's not a far cry from what we've seen from Enix in the past.

    I usually read the "OMG SHOCKING" stuff, but things like "Hey look more screenshots" is a waste of time.


    When I first saw the UI and oddly, the maps, I was a bit disappointed. In the grand scheme of things, neither of those is likely to make or break the game unless they exclude the option to access menu options via hotkeys, at which point the scrolling menu system will be a pretty significant detracting factor from the game. I was just as disappointed that a dunce like Pooky Poo, who apparently can't tell the difference between a monster and an NPC, got selected for the alpha as a reward for loyalty as an FFXI player. Again, there was no way SE could restrict access based simply on whether or not someone had been partially lobotomized at some point in their past, but still, I found it irksome.

    Edited, Apr 16th 2010 11:13am by AureliusSir
    #40 Apr 16 2010 at 12:47 PM Rating: Decent
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    The second they decided to MAKE an Alpha, they knew information was going to be leaked. You can't release an MMO to random public without expecting the masses to crave information about it, or without expecting some of those players dishing out that information to others.

    In the end, it doesn't matter, imo. The information will be known at some point or another. Knowing it earlier could potentially help the games fanbase grow prior to release.

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    I was just as disappointed that a dunce like Pooky Poo, who apparently can't tell the difference between a monster and an NPC, got selected for the alpha as a reward for loyalty as an FFXI player.


    I loled

    Edited, Apr 16th 2010 1:48pm by Raiendel
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    I would lie if I said that I have not seen the videos and the screenshots. I'm more excited now about the game. So I voted the first option.
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    I think the only things the leaks can possibly show is that the game is, in fact, a real alpha, not some publicity stunt.

    Apparently SE missed the memo that all MMO's need to be released starting from the pre-beta stage and slowly improved upon over the first month during the "Free 1 month trial" that comes with buying an MMO.

    It's nice that they are doing things litterally instead of releasing some half baked product like Aion or Globla Agenda.
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    I'll take any information I can get. I'm really impatient waiting for this game :P

    From what I've seen so far, the leaks haven't been giving opinions on the game, but rather just very basic information. For now that's not really a big deal, even though those parts of the game may change before launch. But even so, it's not really bad publicity at this point.

    However, I think that is going to change as more people get into the testing and the beta progresses. Leaks will cease to be about basic information, and will become story spoilers, rants about bugs/imbalances, and negative opinions that could impact how the game is viewed by gamers unfamiliar with beta testing. The leaks will be talking about problems with the game such as poor performance, imbalances, or broken game mechanics.

    Those are issues that are meant to be ironed out through the beta process, but that fact will be overlooked by someone reading such negative impressions. That could cause potential customers to turn away from the game. So while the leaks aren't a massive issue right now, they do need to clamp down on the problem before it gets out of control.
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    As much as I enjoy all the information we have gotten recently, I feel like I have spoiled myself on new information so much that now that I can't find anything new I am going crazy trying to find some new tidbit. I really hope they get the game out this year and don't push it back, but I guess for now we all just have to wait for the next piece of information to hit the forums.
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