And nothing.. LOL
dude post some facts man, tired of this speculation on a topic you have zero experience with.
Weren't you the one who said it would be 100% impossible for SE to ever detect anything that was going on client side and that's why there would be third party applications whether SE allowed them or not? Why yes, yes it was:
My understanding is that its next to impossible to actually do this because of the kind of environment that windows provides. Windower doesn't talk to the server.. Its 100% client side. literally 100% impossible to do anything about this kind of activity...
So with all of your apparently vast knowledge of all things, how did that one get by you?
You can always tell when someone is grasping at straws to preserve their argument. I've demonstrated precedent for third party security applications shipped with games to tighten up the client-side security against hacks and cheats. I've given general descriptions of how these work and are updated to preserve that security throughout the lifespan of the game. You've...countered with what, exactly? Nothing, I think. Ya...that about sums it up. You've countered with nothing. I mean, I could understand if client-side security applets were a new thing, but they've been around in a variety of games and with varying levels of sophistication for over a decade now. It's not new.
So then we get to this thing that you still haven't addressed (not that I'm surprised, because you haven't addressed...anything)...precedent. Do we know for sure that FFXIV is not going to support user-created third party addons? No. Do all signs point to the likelihood that they won't
be supported? Yes. Assuming SE wanted to put the development time into an addon developer's toolkit that would allow ports across PC, PS3, and potentially XBox, plus the cost to maintain and update that toolkit, you've still got to address just how many extra resources the PS3/XBox may or may not have to run said third party applications. Hint: If user-created addons in WoW could slow down beefy PCs if they were extremely robust and/or poorly coded, they'd be capable of bringing a console to a near grinding halt. Just how much of the PS3's whopping 512mb of RAM do you think SE would be willing to sacrifice for the sake of user created addons, anyways? In short, it would be a substantial headache for SE to stay on top of. Far moreso than a PC-only MMO, and as has already been pointed out, if they can't preserve a level playing field across all platfors while supporting user created addons, they can't support user created addons.
So then we get into security for client-side detection of non-sanctioned applications which, in this case, would be pretty much anything. UI overlays, hacks/cheats, whatever...if there's no allowances for third party applications in the ToS/EULA (which, if user created addons aren't supported, you can bet your bottom dollar third party apps will be strictly forbidden in the ToS/EULA), then ANYTHING anyone comes up with, regardless of intended purpose, would fall under the auspices of the "NO!" clause. It doesn't matter how Warden treated sanctioned addons in WoW...we're not talking about WoW. I've demonstrated to you with abundant clarity that it's entirely possible (contrary to your previous ignorant statement) to monitor client-side applications for violations. And whether it's something SE develops in-house or licenses from another vendor, client-side security is by no means an uncommon thing.
So instead of strawmanning the sh*t out of the argument because accepting the reality would be too painful for you, how about you present an intelligent counter-argument? I don't give a rat's *** how much of an uber-coder you seem to want to think you are...you're wrong.
There will be NO addon developer toolkit offered by SE. That means there will be NO sanctioned third party applications for FFXIV, and it IS possible for an MMO developer to detect the presence of ANY third party applications that interface with the game in any way. If you want to try your luck and risk getting your account banned over nothing, by all means...be my guest. Someone is going to test the waters...why not you, right? Just try not to get a bunch of other uninformed people nuked right along with you, k?
And lastly, don't be an ***. When you put words in my mouth, you just look like even more of a moron. I've never claimed any detection suite to be "infallible". I've said that they're highly effective and sooner or later, any third party app CAN be detected. Edited, May 8th 2010 11:08pm by Aurelius