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#1 Apr 26 2010 at 9:19 PM Rating: Decent
I am wondering if this time round SE will not fully install FFXIV in the HDD.

Like FFXI the whole game was from the HDD with no disk needed.

The PS3 is a tough monster but there is always the possibility where it eventually might start to wear out if leaving on the system with a disk based game on for hours or even days.

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Do you think the PS3 version may come with a HDD like FFXI did?

Is there any news about this?

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#2 Apr 26 2010 at 9:45 PM Rating: Decent
I'm not sure I understand the question. As far as I know, all PS3s come with an HDD...there would be no need to include one with FFXIV. And given that it's an MMO, it can't really be run from the disc it shipped on because it's dynamic content; the files you get with the release copy of the game are going to be very different from the patched/updated files two years later.
#3 Apr 26 2010 at 10:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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All ps3 come with a HDD. FFXI for the ps2 need the space put all the file. The game couldn't be stored on memory cards so they had to include the hdd for the ps2. As far as Full or Partial instalation, my guess would be full. I doubt we will need to load the disk each time.
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I'm not sure I understand the question. As far as I know, all PS3s come with an HDD...there would be no need to include one with FFXIV. And given that it's an MMO, it can't really be run from the disc it shipped on because it's dynamic content; the files you get with the release copy of the game are going to be very different from the patched/updated files two years later.


But maybe SE will ship you a new CD every time they patch the game. I can imagine the whining now. "ZOMG, you guys only had to wait 4 hours for your patch! I have to wait 3 bussiness days for SE to ship my CD!"
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#5 Apr 26 2010 at 10:47 PM Rating: Decent
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I play ffxi on my 360 and when they do patches all it does is load then reinstall the items.. a lot of items. No new disc needed.
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#6 Apr 27 2010 at 12:13 AM Rating: Decent
What im asking is:

Do you think FFXIV will be a full install on to the hard drive or will it be a partial install with the disk used also?
Same question only shorter:
Will FFXIV play off the disk or hard drive?

It could be a dumb question but you never really know since all PS3 disk bought games have no full installation to the HDD available.

There are other many other questions with most obvious answers to this:

Q: How can you install a full game that is over 4GB on a PS3's HDD which is a FAT32 format?
A: Im sure a developer or Sony may release a patch to allow a larger file system to be used. Just look at playing the PS2's FFXI on the PS3.

Q: Sony will not allow full install of the disk based games (except the downloaded from the Playstation Store) due to piracy. One could rent and then install the game so how could they allow this with FFXIV?
A: Im sure that FFXIV could be downloaded and installed from a rental place but each disk will have it's own registration codes so that won't be a problem. Again, take FFXI as an example.

Im pretty sure that most here would agree that the full (or most) game will be played from the PS3 HDD

Here is one question ide like an answer for:
What will the 20GB PS3 users do?

This is why i ask...

FFXI for the PS2 came with a 40GB HDD and i read the drive once which was about 14GB of used space.

Now im sure we all agree that FFXIV will be much larger than that or at least eventually get larger than 14GB.

This results that the 20GB PS3 users would have to upgrade their HDDs and users with larger drives would have to share their space.
This is why i asked if you think SE may include their own HDD with the game for PS3.
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#7 Apr 27 2010 at 1:01 AM Rating: Good
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I think you would have to look at what percentage of the PS3 user base has 20 GB PS3 systems versus the 40, 80, 120, 160, and 250 GB systems. If the proportion of 20 GB users is large, then they might consider it, however if the majority of users are sporting 40 gb+, they'll probably just release the software as that will cost them less and increase initial profit margins. I would guess that 20 GB models probably make up a minority of the market relative to the rest, and as such would not warrant an "extra hd". There might also be an opportunity to purchase a FF14 Collector's Edition PS3, as they did that with FF13 on the XBox if you are concerned about your PS3's storage capability.
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#8 Apr 27 2010 at 1:03 AM Rating: Good
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I would probably expect them to load the majority of it onto the Hard drive, because the reading speed from a blue ray disc is slow to begin with, which is why the ps3 installs data of games before hand already, like the notoriously long metal gear solid install. However there are lots of older ps3 machines out there with only 40 60 gig hard drives. FFXI takes up like 10 to 13 gigs if you include all the expansion packs. I can only imagine the size that FFXIV will take. It would seem unreasonable to use over half of a hard drive's space, considering that a lot of it is already being used for installed game data, DLC, movies, and music. Then again... they are thinking of PC before console so, they could just say f-it. I would hope they did take the above into consideration though and it would be about a 50-50 split of installed game data and disc reading.
#9 Apr 27 2010 at 4:12 AM Rating: Good
Then again we are talking about a huge mmorpg here, where the gameplay time is usually longer than other games.
Partys for xp, quests, missions and events im sure will sometimes take a few hours.

I play GTA4 online and sometimes depending on a good game i stay online from morning till next early morning.
Ive even stayed 3 days online once (not without RL stuff and sleep) and the PS3 just keeps running but i know that is healthy for the PS3 system.

Ide like to send SE and email and ask if they plan a full install of FFXIV or maybe just wait and see.

Personally, ide like a big box again (like ffxi) with game disk, new HDD, nice lil book and everything again because this shouldn't be just another game in a little slim blu-ray case.
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#10 Apr 27 2010 at 11:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm fairly certain that FFXIV will be full install. It's client based software, so it won't matter if you share disks, authentication occurs server side. 20 GB owners should really consider upgrading their HD (it's so easy to do).
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#11 Apr 27 2010 at 12:30 PM Rating: Decent
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I am planning on purchasing s PS3 sometime in the months preceding the release of XIV. What size HDD would you guys recommend. (Assuming XIV is a full install)
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Drofrehter wrote:
I am planning on purchasing s PS3 sometime in the months preceding the release of XIV. What size HDD would you guys recommend. (Assuming XIV is a full install)


Depends on what else you plan to use your PS3 for. The slim model with 120 GB should be fine for most people.
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#13 Apr 27 2010 at 2:15 PM Rating: Decent
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I am mainly just buying it for FFXIV, although a few other games have caught my eye. I want to have enough memory to not worry about future updates for XIV so I think I will go with the 120GB HDD PS3. Thanks for the advice.
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#14 Apr 27 2010 at 4:54 PM Rating: Decent
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There is no need for SE to worry about piracy since the software itself is worthless. All the value is in the ID code and account info.

I'm not sure if FFXI on the 360 lets you play without the disc, but I doubt it.

I really hope FFXIV lets you play without the disc. Constantly reading from a disc is a huge waste of electricity, plus it requires you to actually keep the disc in. Also, HD performance is far better than BRD.
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#15 Apr 27 2010 at 5:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Of course it will be a complete instal to the HDD, you may require to have the disc in the drive to boot it though, who knows.

I don't think it makes much difference either way, other than getting off yoru *** and changing a disc when you want to play FF14 .. oh noes.
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When you play on the 360 you do have to have a disc in. It's not big of a deal.
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#17 May 26 2010 at 2:26 AM Rating: Good
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The One and Only Aurelius wrote:
I'm not sure I understand the question. As far as I know, all PS3s come with an HDD...there would be no need to include one with FFXIV. And given that it's an MMO, it can't really be run from the disc it shipped on because it's dynamic content; the files you get with the release copy of the game are going to be very different from the patched/updated files two years later.


I would imagine he asks because the 360 version did not do a full install to the HDD. The install for the 360 version of XI was less than 7 GB - or roughly half the size of the PS2 install (iirc) for XI updated through ToAU.

As for the question, I haven't seen any information from SE regarding this topic, but I certainly see your concern. I wouldn't be excited to see the BluRay drive in action as much as would be required if they stream from the disc. I think (hope?) the transfer speed of the drive included in the PS3 would encourage them towards a full install... As would the size of the HDD in the current models (120 gb being the smallest).
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I find it highly unlikely they will include a HDD with this version, for the simple reason of the PS3 comes with a HDD. In this way, it makes PS3 users the same as PC users, what does a PC user do if his/her HDD is running out of room? They either A) clear off old data to make room, or B) buy a larger harddrive, and install it. Same thing now applies to PS3 users, if you are running out of room, buy a larger HDD and install it, personally, I went with a 500 gig HDD, god only knows how long before that fills up though :S
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#19 May 27 2010 at 9:48 AM Rating: Good
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I'm starting to wonder if it'll be a full install to the HD. FFXIII runs from the disk without too much disk access delay. And owners of 20 GB models wouldn't have to worry about upgrading.
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#20 May 27 2010 at 8:35 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm starting to wonder if it'll be a full install to the HD. FFXIII runs from the disk without too much disk access delay. And owners of 20 GB models wouldn't have to worry about upgrading.


XIII isn't a game with dynamic content. MMOs require the ability to have any/every file patched/updated in some way to account for game changes, additions, and dealing with glitches/bugs. A lot of the .DAT files for specific models and sound can potentially be left alone, but even then it's a more apt display of forward thinking to allow for those to be patched/updated as well. A 20gb HDD is pretty tiny by today's standards regardless of platform. A compatible 2.5" HDD can be had for < $50 (80GB) and for less than $10 extra, you can bump it up to 250GB. If people can afford $50-60 + monthly fee for the game, I don't see how a few extra bucks to bring their console more in line with current hardware should be that onerous an undertaking.
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