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#1 Apr 29 2010 at 7:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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One thing I've liked in other MMOs,including XI is the ability to inspect gear on other players. On the one hand, yes, if I've worked hard on getting the "Awesome Bow+1" I would selfishly like n00bs to admire my awesomeness, but on the other hand, when I've been the n00b on the other end, seeing players better equipped has helped me to better setup my character's build, without needing to spend hours searching around sites.

From what I can tell, the inspect option may not be available in XIV, and I'm fairly unhappy about it. Aside from occasionally angering a few players who equate inspecting their characters to barging in while they're going number 2, I can't say I see the harm in having the option.
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There isn't really any harm in being able to inspect someone. If SE does implement inspect as a feature, I would hope they have the foresight to not write anything to the system log.
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#3 Apr 29 2010 at 7:17 AM Rating: Decent
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yeah, i dont mind people examining me, but i was really annoyed when they did it NUMEROUS times, if i wasn't informed, i could care less (the only reason it bugged me is because it spammed my chat log >,,>
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It was awesome putting "/emote is examining you" and watch half the screen blink because people did not want to be checked out.
#5 Apr 29 2010 at 8:17 AM Rating: Decent
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This I think will be double edged.

I never minded being checked, if I had something cool on then I like showing it off.
I also liked checking out other people to see what I could learn form it. I remember times when I'd check a player and see some sweet piece of armor I'd not seen before but immediately knew I wanted it for my build.

But I played 11 a long time ago and the climate in MMO's has changed. With today's crop of MMO players I could totally see a party checking someone and not thinking their gear was sweet enough to allow them into group. From what I've seen a lot of current players like to equate gear with skill. Removing the ability to check other players means that you have to learn what the gear looks like visually and players who have a Habuy vs. A Hauby+1 wont get the douche boot.
#6 Apr 29 2010 at 8:24 AM Rating: Decent
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You could turn off bazaar and check messages. I always hated the log spam, but I didn't turn it off either. Callipho described it perfectly I think. =P

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It was awesome putting "/emote is examining you" and watch half the screen blink because people did not want to be checked out.

LOL. You never know when someone is going to catch you in town gear or see that you are using Y because you forgot X in the mog house.

There should be an option to check and hopefully it comes with an option to block checking for those who wish to do so.
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#7 Apr 29 2010 at 9:11 AM Rating: Decent
SE has an opportunity to do it right this time. There was nothing wrong with the check feature in FFXI...what didn't work was announcing it to the person being inspected. Filters...no filters...that doesn't matter. Don't enable the report at all. Ever. But not having a feature that allows you to inspect the gear of other players is questionable.
#8 Apr 29 2010 at 1:26 PM Rating: Decent
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I believe they should implement some kind of check system for other peoples equipment. But as mentioned before do not include a chat log indication that you have been examined. Or at least allow us to turn it off.
#9 Apr 29 2010 at 1:37 PM Rating: Default
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I believe they should implement some kind of check system for other peoples equipment. But as mentioned before do not include a chat log indication that you have been examined. Or at least allow us to turn it off.


FFXI had the option to turn it off and it still created conflict. Best to not even include the notification if they're going to include the feature. There's no benefit to having it that warrants the conflict it creates.
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It was awesome putting "/emote is examining you" and watch half the screen blink because people did not want to be checked out.


word to this. man that was so fun in jeuno by the AH. back when bahamut was at its peak population id get up to a dozen people whispering, half in english and half in japanese, telling me how rude that was.
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#11 Apr 29 2010 at 2:40 PM Rating: Decent
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I know mentionning WoW is often a bad idea, but at first, they didn't have the check gear option over there. Later, when they added it, it was really limitted in range, and automatically closed the pop-up of the target's equipment if either of you moved away from each other. It was somewhat creepy to "stalk" strangers (you really had to be 2-3 meters away from a target for the option to pop up) just so you could look at their gear.

I think between the /check message, and the concept of 5-6 party members invading your personnal space, staring blankly ahead of them without saying a word, I prefer the /check message (especially since it can be toggled off, but you can't "ignore" the 5 galka in subligar all glued up to your tail)

They eventually increased the inspect range to a very reasonable distance, and I believe the pop-up doesn't close anymore until you do so manually, or some extreme situations (teleport/zone, etc.)

Also, doesn't /check [name] in XI not close when people gear swapped, as opposed to a simple Alt-C...?
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#12 Apr 29 2010 at 3:41 PM Rating: Good
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Not everyone knows the whole story of examining in FFXI. From what I understand, the Japanese log message for examining was worded in a more offensive way. It was something to the effect of "<player> looks you up and down". So many JP's reacted as if being examined was an intrusive gesture on the part of the examining player. I think a number of NA players began to imitate the JP's attitude towards examining since often JP's were looked up to in ffxi especially in the beginning.
#13 Apr 29 2010 at 4:55 PM Rating: Good
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I would be disappointed if checking wasn't an option in FFXIV. To be honest, I can't imagine why it wouldn't be. I checked as many people as I could when I was sitting around in XI: waiting for a party, healing, between fights...there was a fair amount of down time, and checking filled it up.

And I loved being checked. Made it feel like the time I put into my equipment was more worth it when other people saw. I also checked myself quite a bit (run with that one, Freud). I'm not totally sure why, but I never felt fulfilled with a new piece of equipment until I saw my own check as other people would see it. Take that as you will.

I'm pretty shocked to see that people had problems with the system. Seems like such a silly thing to get defensive about. You put a character into a social world that is based almost entirely on stats and equipment, it just doesn't make sense to me to be offended or embarrassed.
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The only reason I would miss /check is because often when running through a zone for the 100th time, looking at someone's gear was a lot more interesting than the scenery. It was something to look at during downtime, and it familiarized you with the game's equipment a bit better. But if there were no /check option, I can't say I would mind.
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As has been said, there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to look at someone else's gear. I know that when I was a noob, /check'ing people gave me something to learn from for future levels... and even if those people weren't geared well, I had something to work towards. Without those goals, I likely wouldn't have played FFXI for as long as I did. I spent a lot of time farming so I could have decent gear, especially good sets of lower level gear. (Heh. I remember the first time I got a compliment for my Balance Rings in the Dunes. Made my day). Wouldn't have that without a check. I mean, let's be realistic... people don't want to have lengthy conversations about gear ("Hey dude, what're you wearing on your feet and hands? Oh and that helm is pretty cool, too!"). It's so much easier to /check them and ask them specifically about pieces.

Agree on the no system notice for checking. Or if they insist, have the Japanese translation not be so rude. It's not a rude thing to check someone's gear - most of the time, it's a compliment as people want to see what the cool piece of armour is and figure out how to get it.
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The One and Only Aurelius wrote:
SleeplessMickey wrote:
I believe they should implement some kind of check system for other peoples equipment. But as mentioned before do not include a chat log indication that you have been examined. Or at least allow us to turn it off.


FFXI had the option to turn it off and it still created conflict. Best to not even include the notification if they're going to include the feature. There's no benefit to having it that warrants the conflict it creates.


Aurelius, I'm going to abstain from this thread, for both of our sanity's sakes :P
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#17 Apr 29 2010 at 6:21 PM Rating: Decent
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I liked the inspect feature, as others suggested SE should simply remove the message that goes with it , if it causes so much drama.
Ugh I did enjoy the inspect feature and I always was mindful of not annoying people with it... another thing I enjoyed in 11 possibly being removed..
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I liked WOW's level of inspection. WOW keeps track of all types of information, my favorite though is checking wealth statistics. They show things like, total ammount of money that you've generated, the ammount of money youve made from drops, npc sells, most cash you've ever had at one time, etc...

For anyone who hasn't played wow they keep track of achievements and other stats (deaths, wealth, types of things killed, quests completed) similar to the stats FFXI gives once a year but with a lot more items being tracked. But you can view these and compare your stats with most anyone. It can be made private as well.

And I agree, get rid of the message that someone is inspecting so people stop getting so **** hurt over nothing.
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my favorite though is checking wealth statistics

Anecdotally... they decided to make that information public when they released the system at first. Whenever people would want to trade, they'd armory (the website to check/compare stats) each other in another window, then set a price based on the other player's wealth/income.

That didn't last very long :P
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#20 Apr 30 2010 at 8:29 AM Rating: Decent
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I hope the option to /check is in XIV (with a more polite message for the JP players... if there's a message)

I checked out other people's gear often, and didn't really mind if I was getting checked out. I guess it wasn't really a big deal to me.
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#21 Apr 30 2010 at 11:50 AM Rating: Decent
I do believe this is something that should stay in, as others have said, it is a way to help you progress your own character. I'm in agreement that the system messages shouldn't appear. That way you don't get slapped just for looking. :P

I do believe they will do it correctly this time, so it's definitely something to look forward to.
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Agreed with the comments about not making it appear to the person being viewed.

On the other hand they could set it so players can hide their gear if they don't want to be examined.
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Not everyone knows the whole story of examining in FFXI. From what I understand, the Japanese log message for examining was worded in a more offensive way. It was something to the effect of "<player> looks you up and down". So many JP's reacted as if being examined was an intrusive gesture on the part of the examining player. I think a number of NA players began to imitate the JP's attitude towards examining since often JP's were looked up to in ffxi especially in the beginning.


I believe the actual translation was "[Player] shoves their nose in your crotch and fixes their gaze upon your **************** which was especially traumatic for the female players. :P

Really, though, a /check feature would be a good thing. I've made a ton of use of it in FFXI over the years; it helps a great deal. I took a break for over a year once, and when I returned to the game, /checking people was an excellent way to get a full picture about what type of gear people were using at that point, and what I had missed out on. Instead of just blindly searching for gear I wasn't aware of, I would see a job wearing something, evaluate it myself, then look it up and see where it came from.
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AmanoJ wrote:
havashank wrote:
Not everyone knows the whole story of examining in FFXI. From what I understand, the Japanese log message for examining was worded in a more offensive way. It was something to the effect of "<player> looks you up and down". So many JP's reacted as if being examined was an intrusive gesture on the part of the examining player. I think a number of NA players began to imitate the JP's attitude towards examining since often JP's were looked up to in ffxi especially in the beginning.


I believe the actual translation was "[Player] shoves their nose in your crotch and fixes their gaze upon your **************** which was especially traumatic for the female players. :P


Wow, it was worse than I thought. XD

I am not opposed to the idea of a log message upon examining. A simple message such as "<player> notices your equipment" would be harmless would it not? Sometimes it may even provide an opportunity to engage in communication with someone we might normally pass by without acknowledging.
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As far as I understood the situation,
The verbiage made it all worse, but the action itself comes across more like being nosey than checking credentials.

The whole examination system only ever existed to support the armor-centric aspect of Everquest-era MMOs. Being able to actually see that a player has obtained said armor badge of honor amidst the choppy graphics was pretty primary to the motivation of obtaining it as a carrot, which at the time was the entire substance of MMOs.

The drive to make battles more reliant on a player's skill, the disbursement of the carrot into a multitude of things to satisfy our varied player palettes, and the advancement of graphical capability causes the usefulness of /check to diminish. Afterall, would you rather make a badge of honor something that requires an action on the part of other people to see? Or something easily recognizable in a single glance?

The more we continue in this vein, the more /check is just a nice little frivolity.



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#26 May 02 2010 at 11:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Sadly I could see it going the extreme opposite direction to accommodate JP players:

"<player> would like to view your equipment, will you allow?"

Of course, this wouldn't pop up in active mode, as it may interfere with a battle, but you'll be asked dozens of times in towns.
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As far as I understood the situation,
The verbiage made it all worse, but the action itself comes across more like being nosey than checking credentials.

This is right. Cultural differences made the Japanese more sensitive to it, but the feeling wasn't unique to them.

It was a long time before I understood where people were coming from with their complaints, but eventually I did. Being examined meant someone was poring over your every detail in the middle of the street. It was a little like having someone come up behind you and feeling the fabric of your shirt, or like someone pulling into your driveway to make a two-point turn. It was a bit of presumption on the part of a stranger, and a minor invasion of privacy.

Given the realities of the game, I never did anything like chastise someone change gear to kick them out, but I did feel a little irritated on the odd occasion.

Even in a game with higher graphical detail, I think that some form of /check is going to be necessary. It's a way of getting to know the game's equipment and which stats are important -- learning what works and what doesn't without having to try it all yourself.
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It was a long time before I understood where people were coming from with their complaints, but eventually I did. Being examined meant someone was poring over your every detail in the middle of the street. It was a little like having someone come up behind you and feeling the fabric of your shirt, or like someone pulling into your driveway to make a two-point turn. It was a bit of presumption on the part of a stranger, and a minor invasion of privacy.

Either you take this game too seriously, or you're an RP-***. But I repeat myself.
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Borkachev wrote:
It was a long time before I understood where people were coming from with their complaints, but eventually I did. Being examined meant someone was poring over your every detail in the middle of the street. It was a little like having someone come up behind you and feeling the fabric of your shirt, or like someone pulling into your driveway to make a two-point turn. It was a bit of presumption on the part of a stranger, and a minor invasion of privacy.

Either you take this game too seriously, or you're an RP-***. But I repeat myself.


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#30 May 02 2010 at 2:32 PM Rating: Decent
Almalexia wrote:
Borkachev wrote:
It was a long time before I understood where people were coming from with their complaints, but eventually I did. Being examined meant someone was poring over your every detail in the middle of the street. It was a little like having someone come up behind you and feeling the fabric of your shirt, or like someone pulling into your driveway to make a two-point turn. It was a bit of presumption on the part of a stranger, and a minor invasion of privacy.

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The One and Only Aurelius wrote:
FFXI had the option to turn it off and it still created conflict. Best to not even include the notification if they're going to include the feature. There's no benefit to having it that warrants the conflict it creates.


I agree wholeheartedly. I think it's completely appropriate and natural for people to want to compare gear or learn about unfamiliar pieces of equipment by /check-ing fellow players' selections. The whole issue arises from the player being notified every single time it occurs. That benefits no one and is the sole reason the issue comes up as, well, an "issue".

If only all other MMO "issues" had such a simple fix...
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One thing I found useful about the check feature was receiving CONSTRUCTIVE feedback.

Especially early on in the game, I didn't know all too well what I was doing. Having my party members examine me and provide helpful and courteous advice on to how to improve my gear was really beneficial. Example:

"I see you're using X dagger. Y dagger is a nice upgrade and it's inexpensive. Have you considered that?"

Of course, as one poster mentioned the check feature is a double-edged sword. I've seen people get razzed horribly for inadequate or inappropriate gear. But sometimes they don't know better, and a little advice can go a long way.
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I know this is probably a far out there idea, that would be to crazy to work, but why not just have an option in game to turn on and off whether you can be checked or not, the people who don't care about being checked, can be checked, the people who don't want to be checked, can't be checked :P
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I know this is probably a far out there idea, that would be to crazy to work, but why not just have an option in game to turn on and off whether you can be checked or not, the people who don't care about being checked, can be checked, the people who don't want to be checked, can't be checked :P


That's a great idea! Which is why it was in FFXI. ;)
It's the people who want to complain about people /checking them who leave it on to ***** about it.

It never bothered me at all, so I really don't care if the message shows or not. But I've said before I completely understand why people do.
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I know this is probably a far out there idea, that would be to crazy to work, but why not just have an option in game to turn on and off whether you can be checked or not, the people who don't care about being checked, can be checked, the people who don't want to be checked, can't be checked :P


Haha exactly this. Just let people opt out of it, so that the small percentage of people who consider it an "affront to their privacy" can turn it off, and everyone else can go about their business. I don't pay a lot of attention to stats and armor in games, so seeing other people's armor is interesting and educational to me.
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That's a great idea! Which is why it was in FFXI. ;)


Ok, either you misunderstood, or they made a change to FFXI since I left it (more than possible) I don't mean turning on and off the notification, I mean turning on and off the ability to actually be checked. If it was turned off, and someone tried to check them, it just wouldn't work. This way, those of us who like to check other people, and don't care about being checked, can check, those who don't like being checked, don't have to worry about it happening, everyone's happy...
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That's a great idea! Which is why it was in FFXI. ;)


Ok, either you misunderstood, or they made a change to FFXI since I left it (more than possible) I don't mean turning on and off the notification, I mean turning on and off the ability to actually be checked. If it was turned off, and someone tried to check them, it just wouldn't work. This way, those of us who like to check other people, and don't care about being checked, can check, those who don't like being checked, don't have to worry about it happening, everyone's happy...


I don't agree with this option. I feel like too many players will try to take advantage of this option by opting into situations with sub-par gear which isn't really fair to others who have no way of knowing what they are getting themselves into. Kind of like going to fight a difficult level 80 NM with half of your group in level 30 gear. Probably not going to go over too well. While I'm not saying I agree with the elitist sentiment "all HQ or no party" I think it is completely fair to expect a functional level of gear on players your are going to group with. I think the notification should just not be included in the game.

I also very much liked being examined for many reasons listed above. As an example in the 'advice' department, once when I was partying as a white mage in the jungles, someone checked me, told me my body piece was complete crap, and gave me a Barons Saio back when they were $500k on my server and having 2mil made you insanely rich. Being checked also allowed people to see if they had better options when it came to lending me gear, such as in a situation when I fought Promathia at the end of CoP.
#38 May 10 2010 at 8:45 PM Rating: Decent
Oooh the /check thing.
I really kinda dislike it because i get checked all the time and sometimes i get asked numerous questions.
I remember my early SAM days (before and early COP) with a hauby +1, o.kotes etc etc and almost every PT i joined the comments came rolling after 1 check. It was nice but after some time it got annoying.
Last year this one time in jeuno some dude went all wild on me on my SCH gear and even /shout in excitement.

Sometimes im asked questions which is ok but i really don't like persistence asking where, how much, and effect differences with extended info. I can understand why people ask but it does get tiresome after a while.
Also i rarely /check someone without asking them first.

I wouldn't mind of the inspect feature was optional with filters but then again it is better to learn from each other and interact.
An inspect announcement filter would be good too. I really would like to turn off who examines you sometimes.
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I don't agree with this option. I feel like too many players will try to take advantage of this option by opting into situations with sub-par gear which isn't really fair to others who have no way of knowing what they are getting themselves into. Kind of like going to fight a difficult level 80 NM with half of your group in level 30 gear. Probably not going to go over too well. While I'm not saying I agree with the elitist sentiment "all HQ or no party" I think it is completely fair to expect a functional level of gear on players your are going to group with. I think the notification should just not be included in the game.


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You kids and your newfangled addons, gearscore and meters.

It's hard to imagine in this day and age, but we used to judge a player by actually playing with them. It wasn't fast, by any means, but I think it was in it's own way far more accurate. Afterall, gear changes a helluva' lot more often than people do.

I'm not implying you wouldn't already know that :3. It's just your post reminds me of how much communities have changed. You used to be innocent until proven guilty. Nowadays, it's a more 'trust is earned' sort of thing. It's not that I don't understand the validity of this perspective in the advent of the casual era, but I can't help but lament how distrusting and paranoid everyone seems in comparison. *




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I think gear checking really changes the sociological climate of a MMO. I have played MMOs with and without the function present. Both equally have their downsides.

The simple function to inspect someone's equipment produces a facet in MMOs that I generally do not like. Specifically using someone's gear as a criteria to participate in a group event over others.

Now I myself am guilty of this. You know the setup. Someone runs up to you and asks for an invite and they appear to be wearing either nothing at all or suspicious looking gear for their level. So you are left with the following dilemma; tell them to go grab better gear or just hope that their ability outweighs their decision to sport fishing gear as a THF.

Don't get me wrong, I am not arguing against FFXIV having a gear checking function, I am sure it will be present. However, not recognizing how much it will impact the game would be naive. Specifically when recognizing that in the case of FFXI, possessing good gear is not necessarily based upon skill or accomplishments, but rather on how much Gil you have spent.

The other side of the coin offers no better solution of course. Not having gear checks allows people to cruise along without fulfilling the responsibility of being prepared for their endeavors in a group environment. Not everyone sees it that way, but I sure do. Offering a way to hide your gear from people equally poses a lose/lose situation. Those that are not prepared, will of course hide their gear.

The only way I think that not having gear checks in a game would make sense, is if gear itself does not effect gameplay at all, which is very unlikely in FFXIV's case. Perhaps though, with what I have been reading, FFXIV will lean more towards individual skill and group coordination rather than gear to make up the difference in terms of effectiveness in battle. So hopefully the days of inviting someone with +1 gear over someone else who perhaps may even be more qualified, will be a trend long forgotten.
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#41 May 11 2010 at 9:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Zemzelette wrote:

It's hard to imagine in this day and age, but we used to judge a player by actually playing with them. It wasn't fast, by any means, but I think it was in it's own way far more accurate. Afterall, gear changes a helluva' lot more often than people do.

I'm not implying you wouldn't already know that :3. It's just your post reminds me of how much communities have changed. You used to be innocent until proven guilty. Nowadays, it's a more 'trust is earned' sort of thing. It's not that I don't understand the validity of this perspective in the advent of the casual era, but I can't help but lament how distrusting and paranoid everyone seems in comparison. *




* at least in the gear and general competency department.
I suppose there's something to be said for no longer fearing somebody may ransack your house.


In FFXI, I wasn't very picky about my invites to other players. But you must admit that there are times when the gear WILL effect the player to the point where their ability does not matter. If you're using a level 15 weapon at level 75, you're not going to be doing very much in a party. I think the world in general is a more distrusting place, but I don't think there is anything wrong with wanting a little reassurance before placing your trust in someone (obviously not quite so dramatic in FFXIV, but you get the principle). I truly hope that FFXIV allows player skill to play a bigger role throughout the game so that gilbuyers won't have the advantage. I think amazing gear should have to be earned in this game, not bought.
#42 May 11 2010 at 12:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Oh I understand.
The perspective isn't flawed, it just depressing.
#43 May 11 2010 at 4:51 PM Rating: Decent
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In FFXI, the inspect function was invaluable during the period before comprehensive wiki databases or websites like ffxiah came online. You could check the players in jobs with higher levels and use them as a basis for your career aspirations. Also, if they had the mentor symbol activated, you could ask them for guidance on how to play your job, gear recommendations etc.

The flipside is of course this so-called elitism which people are mentioning. I played FFXI up to about a year ago and didn't experience anything like that, but I can imagine it might be painful for the newer players who haven't had time to build up gil and the 'lowest common denominator' gear sets typically expected of their job (e.g. all melees with sniper rings and SH/hauby, elemental staves for mages etc).
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#44 May 11 2010 at 6:54 PM Rating: Decent
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but I can imagine it might be painful for the newer players who haven't had time to build up gil and the 'lowest common denominator' gear sets typically expected of their job (e.g. all melees with sniper rings and SH/hauby, elemental staves for mages etc).


It's funny how the "LCD" gear of today used to be the rare, uber, "omg look at him" gear in the past. I remember my friend actually let me equip his SH years and years and years ago. I still have the screenie.
#45 May 11 2010 at 8:35 PM Rating: Decent
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rom what I understand, the Japanese log message for examining was worded in a more offensive way. It was something to the effect of "<player> looks you up and down". So many JP's reacted as if being examined was an intrusive gesture on the part of the examining player


I've always thought this supposed 'history' strange. How is it that Japanese developers releasing to a Japanese audience in Japan, in the Japanese language included a culturally offensive text message? I'm prone to thinking that the 'history' of the conflict is mere conjecture that's taken root.
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#46 May 12 2010 at 5:06 AM Rating: Decent
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The japanese have said that's what the message says and why it makes them feel uncomfortable. It was a stupid message to put there.
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#47 May 12 2010 at 3:40 PM Rating: Decent
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So may be the option is to be able to check but simple have no notice that you've been checked. I think someone else said it before.
I'm sure if someone checks you and has something to say good or bad they will send you a tell.

BTW Manam, yes I did misunderstand. My apologies. I thought you simply meant a way to turn the option off.

Edited, May 13th 2010 10:00am by ReiThor
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#48 Jun 07 2010 at 1:17 PM Rating: Good
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Looks like info from a recent interview suggests that we will be able to "sign" items. I can only guess this means that at some point, we'll be able to use a check feature... can't see the point of signing an item if noone can see it.
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Looks like info from a recent interview suggests that we will be able to "sign" items. I can only guess this means that at some point, we'll be able to use a check feature... can't see the point of signing an item if noone can see it.


There is, if something is for sale in AH or a Bazzar, can always message the maker of it to see if you can get one made for you cheeper (if you provide materials)

I used to know how to ask Japanese players if I can check there equipment, Can't remember now.. time to google!!

私はあなたの装置を確認できますか?
Watashi wa anata no sōchi o kakunin deki masu ka?

I really thought it was shorter then that...
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#51 Jun 07 2010 at 2:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Callipho wrote:
Looks like info from a recent interview suggests that we will be able to "sign" items. I can only guess this means that at some point, we'll be able to use a check feature... can't see the point of signing an item if noone can see it.


You can sign the item that you've crafted for someone else, for their own personal use. In fact, that's the only thing I used the signing feature for in FFXI. I never signed any item that I kept for myself.
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