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#1 May 10 2010 at 5:00 PM Rating: Good
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Has anyone else heard anything about this? I have seen somewhere that you are able to use two-handed shields for a class. I think this would be an incredible addition to create a tank class that perhaps has abilites similar to the "Sentinal" in FFXIII, allowing you to do some damage with your shield, but primary focus is high defense.
#2 May 10 2010 at 5:10 PM Rating: Good
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SleeplessMickey wrote:
Has anyone else heard anything about this? I have seen somewhere that you are able to use two-handed shields for a class. I think this would be an incredible addition to create a tank class that perhaps has abilites similar to the "Sentinal" in FFXIII, allowing you to do some damage with your shield, but primary focus is high defense.


that's an interesting idea and I personally like the application of situational tools.
Problem is that if what you hold in your main hand is what determines your class then what class will you be if you have a 2 hand shield? Oddly enough this would make more sense in FFXI than it would in FFXIV since you wouldn't need to explain why one class gets two weapons while all the rest get one... and for that matter a shield really isn't so much a "weapon" either...

Edited, May 10th 2010 7:11pm by thorazinekizzez
#3 May 10 2010 at 5:15 PM Rating: Good
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There is speculation that some classes are allowed more than one set of weapons, or one weapon and two-handed shield in this case. Lets say for example if you equip a Mace or a Two-Handed Shield, you are still the same class.
#4 May 10 2010 at 5:41 PM Rating: Good
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If you look on the official website, there's a Lantern Shield under the Gladiators weapons. It says something about being able to store 2 swords at a time inside the shield, and doing damage with it. It also says something about it being notoriously difficult to maintain. So, while it's not 2 handed, it is a shield, and it does do damage (edit) i believe.

Edit: Official website says exactly: "This marvel of engineering encases a small lantern within, from which the name derives. Aiming to incorporate elements of offense and defense into a single device, the lantern shield may also be affixed with up to two blades. Such shields are notorious for the intensive maintenance they require."

Edited, May 10th 2010 4:42pm by LebargeX



Edited, May 10th 2010 4:47pm by LebargeX
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#5 May 10 2010 at 6:48 PM Rating: Good
There has been evidence of a two handed shield in the game but nothing really connecting it to anything. The viability of that sort of thing would seem to hinge around exactly what non-weapon based threat options the wielding class would have or perhaps even a completely different set of abilities associated with the shield. ****, it could even be a non-tanking item if SE chose to make it that way...something for a healer, for example. Or it could be one of those things that was implemented early with no final plans around its use and never actually makes it into the game.
#6 May 10 2010 at 7:09 PM Rating: Good
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SleeplessMickey wrote:
There is speculation that some classes are allowed more than one set of weapons, or one weapon and two-handed shield in this case. Lets say for example if you equip a Mace or a Two-Handed Shield, you are still the same class.


Could it be that everyone weapon or tool will say what class it will be when equipped?

A dagger with whm stats that makes you a "healer"
A dagger with thf stats that makes you a "rogue"

Then you can have hammers that are used as blunt weapons in combat but only goldsmiths can equip but not rule out a giant 2 hand hammer/mace for gladiators.. Or allowing archers to equip a bow and a sword if he needs to get up close.

edit: actually I kind of like that. Its a simple reversal to what FFXI already has. instead of a long list of what jobs can equip each piece of gear you see the one job you will become. short and simple.

Edited, May 10th 2010 9:14pm by thorazinekizzez
#7 May 11 2010 at 12:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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#8 May 11 2010 at 12:44 PM Rating: Decent
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#9 May 12 2010 at 8:19 AM Rating: Good
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In terms of combat gameplay, I can think of nothing that kills my buzz as much two handed shields. The only faint spark of excitement I feel regarding 2H shields is my own surprise and amusement over how preposterously lame the idea is.
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#10 May 12 2010 at 8:48 AM Rating: Good
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In terms of combat gameplay, I can think of nothing that kills my buzz as much two handed shields. The only faint spark of excitement I feel regarding 2H shields is my own surprise and amusement over how preposterously lame the idea is.


As someone who plans on playing a gladiator tank, I'm not an enormous fan of the idea myself. My distaste stems mostly from uncertainty around how they could implement a 2-handed shield in a way that's still entertaining to play. Some people might simply be happy with the idea of running around with a ginormous shield, but if the actual gameplay associated with it is a small handful of variations on the shield bash concept I'd just as soon see it left out or passed off to a class that wouldn't normally be using a shield in close combat anyways (ie. a caster). Since there's so little information about it, I'm witholding judgement right now. Only time will tell.
#11 May 12 2010 at 6:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Well since the historical sheilds as such had big blades or spikes on the top and bottum there could be much more action than if it was just a few differant bashes.
#12 May 12 2010 at 7:38 PM Rating: Good
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That's the whole thing. Why not just use a freakin sword if you need a blade?
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#13 May 12 2010 at 8:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Why not use a spear, it reaches farther than a sword? Why not use a bow, that way the other person won't even get close to you?

That's what the arms race is all about, trying new things to see if you can find something that works better than what you already have.

Though IRL if you want to kill someone with a bladed weapon, learning to use a knife is a far deadlier way to go than a sword.
Every weapon has it's uses, and some crazy stuff was made durring the Renaissance including all kinds of weapons for civilian dueling. I'm not saying I'de use a twohanded sheild, but they were a real weapon just like a gladious.
#14 May 12 2010 at 8:55 PM Rating: Good
I don't know, the idea of a roegadyn picking up a giant shield in both hands over his head and hulk smashing an enemy into bitty bits with does sound sort of awesome.


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#15 May 13 2010 at 2:32 AM Rating: Good
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Finally found the docu I saw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac7dsFIlPj8&feature=related

Around 1min and 45 secs.

It also shows a live demo.
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#17 May 13 2010 at 7:58 AM Rating: Good
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I don't know, the idea of a roegadyn picking up a giant shield in both hands over his head and hulk smashing an enemy into bitty bits with does sound sort of awesome.


This.

I see usefulness in the idea. I've said before that tanks are in short supply already, hopefully with the new classes that changes but lets imagine it doesn't, would you be more or less likely to play a "true tank" if your only option as a weapon was a shield?


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Finally found the docu I saw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac7dsFIlPj8&feature=related

Around 1min and 45 secs.

It also shows a live demo.


That was a good video, I know that it won't be a formal duel in FFXIV but that video does show a number of different uses for a shield as a weapon. Now imagine what could be done with different designs. Some used more for defence some for added offence (perhaps for a solo stint?) I think it's a workable idea if done well.
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