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#1 May 17 2010 at 9:08 PM Rating: Good
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It has been a while since i saw so much info/photos that people posted but now there is nothing to look at or read about. This forums are getting boring now, i always check for something new but nothing, SE we need some more photos/info even if is a little is something.

Does anyone has new info/photos?
#2 May 17 2010 at 9:58 PM Rating: Good
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E3 is June 15th through June 17th, hopefully we'll get some news then. http://www.e3expo.com

Edited, May 17th 2010 11:01pm by Faldein
#5 May 18 2010 at 4:07 AM Rating: Good
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You're right, lets shut down the forums since everyone can google for information they need. I don't understand why people feel the need to respond "just google it" to people posting in the forums. This is what the forums are for so people can ask questions or for information they need/want on something. They should have taught "Nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all" 101 classes instead.


this this this.

for those of you with too little real stuff to do and way too much adolescent attitude, go do the searching (since you are anyway) and save us the time. responding with "just google it!" is like being told to **** off when you just asked someone what time it was and they're wearing a watch. also, it's more efficient with everyone's time if the information is spread rather than hoarded. not only is it pretty douchey to tell someone "just google it for yourself!", but it's also counter productive.
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LaFey wrote:
ScaryTrees wrote:
You're right, lets shut down the forums since everyone can google for information they need. I don't understand why people feel the need to respond "just google it" to people posting in the forums. This is what the forums are for so people can ask questions or for information they need/want on something. They should have taught "Nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all" 101 classes instead.


this this this.

for those of you with too little real stuff to do and way too much adolescent attitude, go do the searching (since you are anyway) and save us the time. responding with "just google it!" is like being told to **** off when you just asked someone what time it was and they're wearing a watch. also, it's more efficient with everyone's time if the information is spread rather than hoarded. not only is it pretty douchey to tell someone "just google it for yourself!", but it's also counter productive.


Not this, since on these forums everything that breaks the NDA will get deleted anyway.
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#7 May 18 2010 at 6:32 AM Rating: Default
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ScaryTrees wrote:
You're right, lets shut down the forums since everyone can google for information they need. I don't understand why people feel the need to respond "just google it" to people posting in the forums. This is what the forums are for so people can ask questions or for information they need/want on something. They should have taught "Nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all" 101 classes instead.

There is a difference between asking a specific question for more information on a specific topic and asking a broad generalizing "HEY WUTZ NEW!!! I DUN SEE THE OTHER THREADS" question.

Edited, May 18th 2010 7:32am by Bardalicious
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#10 May 18 2010 at 10:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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This is all SE fault. We wouldn´t be debating this if only there were more info. SE is taking to long, and as how i see things, we wont get good stuff until E3.
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#11 May 19 2010 at 2:15 AM Rating: Good
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This is what you are looking for?

http://imepita.jp/20100519/402520

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Need better scans and translation. *turn on Elmer signal*
#12 May 19 2010 at 2:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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There are 3 other leaked pics besides that one (I think there is more info then that too, we 'only' have 4 pics). One is a more up close look at the world map (so you can see the lettering for Ishagard and Gridania and Ul'Dah easier on that map and by consequence the locations of all them) and stuff on the guilds of Limsa Lominsa including announcing a couple new things 'officially' like the Musketeer class, armor crafter and a couple other things. I'm sure we will get all this upload to the main site later this week.
#13 May 19 2010 at 8:46 PM Rating: Decent
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The One and Only Aurelius wrote:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that a more appropriate analogy is that it's like being told to **** off when you ask someone the time and they're wearing a watch and they look down to see that you're wearing a watch, too.

And, as has been already said, there are no safe links to new images or videos because SE hasn't given us any in quite some time. The ones that are available are alpha leaks. That means that unless you're partially daft like some people here, posting the links is just going to end up with a nuked post/thread and that will be that.


if one were wearing a watch, one would not be asking the time. by asking for information, it should be assumed that the inquirer either does not have the information, or would like your input regardless.

to respond with "**** off, you're wearing a watch" is insulting the intelligence and motivations of the inquirer (you've never heard of anyone wanting to compare timepieces?). the "****** offer" is a douche, no matter how you look at it.

an NDA is not a free pass to be the biggest douche you can be.
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#15 May 21 2010 at 10:31 AM Rating: Good
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The One and Only Aurelius wrote:
I didn't see anyone in the thread being all that much of a douche. I DO see someone overreacting to the standard aspect of forum culture that involves nudging people in the direction of sourcing their own information.


nah, i don't think i'm terribly surprised or even upset at the nature of the allakhazam forums anymore (been reading them since pre-velious EQ1 days, seems like. only started actually posting during WoW), but i think i am getting a little more bitter and intolerant. and opinionated.

verifying information independently is just something everyone must do in order to believe anything they hear. that said, a lot of time and effort can be saved by taking the word of other people (for what its worth), and it should be understandable that it's frustrating when someone just rudely refuses to cooperate for no reason at all.

it's a matter of principle! yeah, it's overreacting at this point, and totally derailed the thread, but i'm not wrong.

and it would be nice to think that taking a stand on principle now could spare us all some grief later.
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LaFey wrote:
The One and Only Aurelius wrote:
I didn't see anyone in the thread being all that much of a douche. I DO see someone overreacting to the standard aspect of forum culture that involves nudging people in the direction of sourcing their own information.


nah, i don't think i'm terribly surprised or even upset at the nature of the allakhazam forums anymore (been reading them since pre-velious EQ1 days, seems like. only started actually posting during WoW), but i think i am getting a little more bitter and intolerant. and opinionated.

verifying information independently is just something everyone must do in order to believe anything they hear. that said, a lot of time and effort can be saved by taking the word of other people (for what its worth), and it should be understandable that it's frustrating when someone just rudely refuses to cooperate for no reason at all.

it's a matter of principle! yeah, it's overreacting at this point, and totally derailed the thread, but i'm not wrong.

and it would be nice to think that taking a stand on principle now could spare us all some grief later.


To add to this most of the time the excuse is "Why should I bother wasting my time when you can find what you need you need yourself?". If you're gonna take the time to post that and not contribute or be helpful not only are you wasting the same amount of time anyway but your just plain mean no matter how you look at it. If you feel its not worth your time to contribute then don't! Just click the X conveniently located in the top right corner and move on simple as that.

Anyway to the OP the site has been updated in case you missed the thread stating so.
#17 May 22 2010 at 1:35 PM Rating: Decent
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To add to this most of the time the excuse is "Why should I bother wasting my time when you can find what you need you need yourself?". If you're gonna take the time to post that and not contribute or be helpful not only are you wasting the same amount of time anyway but your just plain mean no matter how you look at it.

It doesn't waste your time.

Telling someone we aren't their personal google achieves two things. First, it ensures this particular person understands their behavior is not acceptable and that they'll think twice before taking others' time for granted. Second, it sends a message to all who read the thread that the behavior is not tolerated, thus helping to prevent future occurrences.

I just don't know how to be more clear than "forums are not your personal google." You should ask forums questions that you are not capable of answering yourself, not that you are too lazy to answer yourself. It is incredibly rude and perfectly akin to the earlier example of asking someone else the time because you're too lazy to look down at your own watch.
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Allegory wrote:
It doesn't waste your time.

Telling someone we aren't their personal google achieves two things. First, it ensures this particular person understands their behavior is not acceptable and that they'll think twice before taking others' time for granted. Second, it sends a message to all who read the thread that the behavior is not tolerated, thus helping to prevent future occurrences.

I just don't know how to be more clear than "forums are not your personal google." You should ask forums questions that you are not capable of answering yourself, not that you are too lazy to answer yourself. It is incredibly rude and perfectly akin to the earlier example of asking someone else the time because you're too lazy to look down at your own watch.


first, it's perfectly acceptable for someone on a discussion forum to start a discussion by asking for information. you're pretty much just completely wrong about that. also, no one "took your time for granted" or any such ridiculously conceited thing. you didn't have to read or respond to the thread, and i'm still a little amazed at how important you think you are that a question directed at a general audience somehow becomes directed at you personally thereby somehow "wasting your time".

second, the "behavior" is tolerated; and it's not your place to say it's not. it's legitimate, and not even slightly rude. you're pretty much completely ******* wrong about that as well. furthermore, if discussion had continued on topic instead of your derailment into a personal little ********* the thread would have been exactly the kind of thing that this forum needs more of -- so future occurrences should be encouraged.

it's absurd in the extreme to plop down an arbitrary distinction between a search engine and asking a forum for information. why are you using google? is it because you're too lazy to look through gigantic text files to find the index of a site you're interested in? is it because you're too lazy to already magically know the results of your query before you type it in the search box? seriously now, you're a rare breed of spectacularly stupid and conceited douche nozzle. i completely disagree about the aspect of the analogy wherein both parties are wearing watches, instead i favor the model using only one watch.

it is now perfectly obvious that you neither know anything to contribute to the thread for the purpose of the OP, nor, indeed, much of anything in general. leave this thread alone, you silly, pompous ********* and take your logical fallacies and see if you can't use them to plug your stinking gape before you make a bigger fool of yourself.
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#19 May 22 2010 at 3:24 PM Rating: Decent
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wow lol, nice words LaFey. I just asked anymore info and photos of the game, people can be so naive some times.
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LaFey wrote:
second, the "behavior" is tolerated; and it's not your place to say it's not.

I moved this quote to the top, because I think this gets to the heart of the situation. I also think perspective on this issue changes based on how much time you've spent on forums. That is not to say that someone with 10k posts opinion matters more than someone with 100, but their perspective is different.

For people who have been posting for a long time, this type of behavior is near universally not tolerated and is considered rude. For someone who hasn't posted very long, this may be the first or second time you've seen a thread that asked a very easily self answered question or provides no specific topic to actually discuss. For someone who has posted for a while, this is literally in the hundreds or thousands of times they've seen a post like this, and it becomes very tiresome.
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it is now perfectly obvious that you neither know anything to contribute to the thread for the purpose of the OP, nor, indeed, much of anything in general. leave this thread alone, you silly, pompous sh*tsack, and take your logical fallacies and see if you can't use them to plug your stinking gape before you make a bigger fool of yourself.

I'm trying to offer helpful advice, because if the OP was to post this same way in a forum with an older (in forum years, not actual age) userbase, he/she would be told the exact same thing, and they might not be as kind. You can pretend I'm some sort of snob for trying to inform others as to why so many people consider this rude, but you're going to get tired of using that insult real fast when everyone else keeps saying the same thing.

I'm not trying to tell you that I think this is rude, although I do. I'm trying to inform you that pretty much everyone who has over 1-2k posts finds it rude. I guess if you prefer to think everyone on the internet is a snob but you then that is cool, but try not to get too mad when they point out how incredibly judgmental you are.
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i think you might be surprised to hear how long i've been on the allakhazam forums... this account's low post count is attributed to me not blabbing my mouth off with "GTFO and Google it, *************** every chance i get, and by not generally being terribly interested in taking part in the community (that is, for years, i mostly read to gather technical information, and didn't pay any attention to who was talking or what their opinion was). in the EQ1 years, i didn't have an account, i just browsed without one and didn't feel like saying anything (was much younger and less irritable i guess you could say), but i distinctly remember reading allakhazam forums in the year 2001 perhaps as early as 2000. i think this account has existed since about '05, or at least, that's about when i started posting from it. i don't expect you to believe that i was reading the forums earlier, i have no proof and sure as **** don't remember any of the other account names or passwords i used (obviously).

also, this is absolutely the first time i've seen anyone on the allakhazam forums use "just google it yourself". and i must say, in any other forum or image board i use, the users have much better manners than to say such a thing either (except perhaps for me in other ways ;-D). for example, with all the cutting edge math coming out of ElitistJerks, you think it would be meaningful for their users to tell everyone "go away, google will tell you"? ElitistJerks is now where all the new information is generated, and it used to be allakhazam. i wonder why the shift occured? i'm only here because i don't think EJ has a forum for FFXIV.

i think you're pretty much a snob, yes, and anecdotally, i remember vastly fewer helpful posts from bigger post-counts. literally, the post-count number under peoples' names is a measure of how much of a loud mouth they are. you'd think, then, that i'd remember proportionally more helpful information from users with higher post counts. but instead, what i remember is basically everyone with more than a thousand or so only chiming in to chatter about drama and useless off-topic trivialities. which is the case in this thread as well.

i think my premise is still valid, regardless of what bitter, cliquish, more vocal members of the forum may say: discussion forums exist to discuss things, and asking a question is a perfectly valid participation in discussion. furthermore, the OP was not a time-wasting or "stupid" question (there are no such) -- or even a rude one! -- because where else is one to find out new information about FFXIV? where do you suppose google searches direct you? perhaps often to discussion forums where new information is discussed...? is it unreasonable to expect that, of all the millions of people surely keeping watch for new info coming out about the game, some of them know something that you do not?

for the OP to be rude, everyone on the planet would have to have absolutely equal knowledge on the topic (in this case, 'what news of ffxiv?').

you couldn't find it in your ****-retentive soul to give a polite "i dunno lol"? perhaps a "yeah, i'd like to hear, too!"? or even "no."? instead you have to berate someone who asks an innocent question with a tirade all about how they're stupid and can't follow the silly cultural norms which your quasi-real, micro-cosmic sub-culture has arbitrarily created for itself based on childish, petty behavioral history?

i'm trying to inform you that pretty much everyone over the age of 12 finds you rude. i guess if you prefer to think everyone on the internet is wrong that you're a snob, then that's ... well, not really cool. but try not to get too mad when i point out how incredibly judgmental you are. and that i notice carrying on a pointless off-topic defense against me calling you out on your bad behavior is incrementing your post count, which you seem to think counts for something.
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LaFey wrote:
with all the cutting edge math coming out of ElitistJerks, you think it would be meaningful for their users to tell everyone "go away, google will tell you"?

If you asked them what's new in WoW they would :)
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ElitistJerks is now where all the new information is generated, and it used to be allakhazam. i wonder why the shift occured? i'm only here because i don't think EJ has a forum for FFXIV.

Allakhazam never had the level of optimization talk that EJ has for WoW. WoW job forums would often help people optimize their builds based on empirical evidence or general logic, but it was never extremely math intensive. The community here didn't have enough math nerds.
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i think you're pretty much a snob, yes, and anecdotally, i remember vastly fewer helpful posts from bigger post-counts. literally, the post-count number under peoples' names is a measure of how much of a loud mouth they are. you'd think, then, that i'd remember proportionally more helpful information from users with higher post counts. but instead, what i remember is basically everyone with more than a thousand or so only chiming in to chatter about drama and useless off-topic trivialities. which is the case in this thread as well.

In my specific case, I generated the majority of my most recent posts in the OOT so it isn't likely you'd see me being very helpful in FFXI or WoW general (especially since my knowledge of those MMORPGs is so outdated). Look around the forums I do post in, and I think you'd find a fair number of genuinely helpful posts.

In a more general sense, I believe most of the high post count users here chime in withe relative cynicism because they are past the hype. I've been through several MMORPG launches some of games I liked and some of games I didn't like. I know how it feels to become extremely hyped about an MMORPG and desperately wanting new information, but I also learned that at least for me it wasn't worth getting all excited. So I just decided to be patient with MMORPGs from then on. I think many of the veteran MMORPG players here feel the same way. They've seen the drama played out over and over and just decide they're not up for it. So instead of becoming incredibly excited they act normally, which relative to the extreme hype makes them seem like cynical bastards.

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i think my premise is still valid, regardless of what bitter, cliquish, more vocal members of the forum may say: discussion forums exist to discuss things, and asking a question is a perfectly valid participation in discussion. furthermore, the OP was not a time-wasting or "stupid" question (there are no such) -- or even a rude one! -- because where else is one to find out new information about FFXIV? where do you suppose google searches direct you? perhaps often to discussion forums where new information is discussed...? is it unreasonable to expect that, of all the millions of people surely keeping watch for new info coming out about the game, some of them know something that you do not?

It doesn't give enough details to have a real discussion. It's literally "What's new?" It doesn't ask about what new information has been released about combat, what new information has been released about races, or what new information has been released about the cities. It also doesn't give us an idea of how up to date the poster is. Is "new" information to him/her anything in the last week, month, or year? There isn't much of a question to answer.

More than that though, it's a question that could be much better answered by the OP himself/herself. I have myself been slacking on keeping up in the FFXIV news, but it's easier for me to browse for resources on what I don't know than it is for anyone else, because I know what level of knowledge I currently have. It also wouldn't be very hard for me to do it myself because much of that knowledge is already contained here in existing threads. The OP could probably find out all he/she wanted to know just by reading this forum, but that would require a smidgen of effort.

And finally, anything posted here is stuff that is likely to have already been discussed. So this thread is at best, redundant.

I know it sounds like I'm coming down hard. I'm not trying to be mean, but I'm trying to convey the viewpoint on why people would find this thread rude.
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you couldn't find it in your ****-retentive soul to give a polite "i dunno lol"? perhaps a "yeah, i'd like to hear, too!"? or even "no."?

If I did that, I'd be contributing to the problem.
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instead you have to berate someone who asks an innocent question with a tirade all about how they're stupid and can't follow the silly cultural norms which your quasi-real, micro-cosmic sub-culture has arbitrarily created for itself based on childish, petty behavioral history?

But I didn't berate. I informed. In no way did I insult the OP for the creation of the thread. I didn't rate the OP down. The OP did something rude, but not malicious. He/she never intended to offend anyone. So I explained why people find it rude in the hopes of preventing this very same situation from occurring in the future.

You said you don't see this happen very often. I very much disagree, but since we're both making anecdotal statements I guess much can't be said on that subject. However it is at the very least evident based on this thread that I am not the only one who feels this way, and nor did I incite others to react this way.
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i'm trying to inform you that pretty much everyone over the age of 12 finds you rude. i guess if you prefer to think everyone on the internet is wrong that you're a snob, then that's ... well, not really cool. but try not to get too mad when i point out how incredibly judgmental you are. and that i notice carrying on a pointless off-topic defense against me calling you out on your bad behavior is incrementing your post count, which you seem to think counts for something.

The difference between what we're doing is that you're intending to be deliberately insulting to me. You could have stated your difference of opinion and left it as a casual discussion as I tried to, but you chose not to.

Edited, May 22nd 2010 9:55pm by Allegory
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/shrug. i don't retract my insults, you were a douche and deserved to have been told so.

Allegory wrote:
It doesn't give enough details to have a real discussion.


by responding with a query for clarification, you would have been having a discussion.

Allegory wrote:
Allakhazam never had the level of optimization talk that EJ has for WoW.


mmmm.... maybe Alla never fiddled with tediously exhaustive details, but perhaps that's also because, before WoW, MMOs just didn't require a bachelor's level degree in math to hold an opinion about. having a degree in math myself, i can appreciate some of the analysis that has been done on raw data and then posted to the EJ forums. some people seem to have way more free time than can possibly be healthy for months on end.

Allegory wrote:
I know how it feels to become extremely hyped about an MMORPG and desperately wanting new information, but I also learned that at least for me it wasn't worth getting all excited.


i think i'm fairly excited about FFXIV, certainly more than i ever was for WoW, but i'm also confident that i'm not "hyped". i think we all are merely in that state of bored impatience, now.

Allegory wrote:
I know it sounds like I'm coming down hard. I'm not trying to be mean, but I'm trying to convey the viewpoint on why people would find this thread rude.


and i think i already beat the horse into the ground as to why i think it's stupid to think the thread rude.

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And finally, anything posted here is stuff that is likely to have already been discussed. So this thread is at best, redundant.


unlikely. thoroughly useless and derailed now, yeah, but it was probable that new stuff like the site update with the map could have been posted here. besides, anything posted anywhere else is likely to have been discussed anywhere else first as well. that's not a reason to not post and discuss it here.

Allegory wrote:
The difference between what we're doing is that you're intending to be deliberately insulting to me. You could have stated your difference of opinion and left it as a casual discussion as I tried to, but you chose not to.


you quite deserved it, and more to make a point to the shocking (to me) number of people who showed up to make rude comments against the OP. that kind of behavior, i'm sure, shouldn't be tolerated, and thus we should all try to prevent future occurrences. ...with more rudeness.

perhaps in future i'll be saccharine sweet and charming in order to get my point across. here's to hoping it works half as well.
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#24 May 22 2010 at 11:12 PM Rating: Default
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Well.. Im the definition of troll for tons of games on tons of forums.. and yes I do get annoyed seeing the same broad questions being asked clustering the boards... When you spend a lot of time READING peoples POSTS, you realize this. I think LaFey, you read for your own information in the forums and not actually reading people's posts, not realizing that this is a recurring theme anywhere.

You can just as easily go to any search bar on any forum and put in "new information" and BAM u got it. A list of tons of people asking whats new and seeing the first few being answered and the last few getting flamed.

I barely post ever, usually just browse so...
Just my 2 cents.
#25 May 22 2010 at 11:32 PM Rating: Decent
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/shrug. i don't retract my insults, you were a douche and deserved to have been told so...

you quite deserved it, and more to make a point to the shocking (to me) number of people who showed up to make rude comments against the OP. that kind of behavior, i'm sure, shouldn't be tolerated, and thus we should all try to prevent future occurrences. ...with more rudeness.

Honestly, from an objective viewpoint, you've been the most belligerent in this thread so far. For all my disagreement, I've been affable the entire time.

I guess my final statement would be that rudeness is in the eye of the beholder. Clearly I'm not the only who find vague questions and easily google answers to be rude to ask a forum. Even if you believe I am wrong and by some means convince me I shouldn't acknowledge similar threads as being rude, you are unlikely to convince everyone else. The older the forum gets, the more users will find similar types of posts to be rude. Whether you think it is right or wrong, every aged forum culture tends toward this viewpoint. Rudeness is entirely arbitrary to begin with, and so if the majority of people you interact with find a behavior to be rude... well then it is.

I'm just glad people have been understanding enough to not throw rate downs at the OP.
#26 May 23 2010 at 12:07 AM Rating: Decent
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OK please stop this, i only intended to find more info about the game (info that i haven't seem), the info that already come out(maps and a little more information is good enough for me) when i asked this questions that information was not release yet, yes i could have Google it but there is more then that to get info about something, but please lets end this useless arguments and yes and yes it was rude to tell anyone to go "Google it", thats why we are using this forum's for to share new information that maybe people like myself didn't know about, I been keeping up with all "new" info, but i just thought i ask some questions and see if i missed something that was all.
#27 May 23 2010 at 12:23 AM Rating: Decent
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/shrug. i don't retract my insults, you were a douche and deserved to have been told so.


So let me ask you this, since you've gone from that nondescript sort of personality to all of a sudden the last few days you're on a vulgar crusade against anything/anyone that peaks your ire...what's the deal? Life got you down? Why all the mountains out of molehills all of a sudden? Do you honestly think you're going to change forum culture when you argue like such a rage-soaked adolescent? Bring it down to earth, ya? Your exaggerations don't help your argument. They're rather transparent.

It's odd that you should bring up EJ as if they're some sort of example of tolerance and freedom of expression. If you go to EJ and post random questions, you get infractions. Three infractions gets you a ban. You go to EJ for two reasons: discuss (not inquire about, not ask to be spoon fed...discuss) theorycrafting in World of Warcraft or you read. Anything else is likely to get you banned. It's also not a multi-game site...why you'd ever think they'd branch out to include FFXIV of all games is beyond me. It'd be like musing about whether or not WoWhead is going to get an FFXIV section.

Others have already touched on why forum culture has evolved to discourage random, pointless, or "lazy" questions...it very quickly can devolve into a situation where the first page of any given game forum is dominated by pointless garbage. There have been times here on ZAM where a trip to a particular game forum would feature multiple threads on the first page all asking about the exact same thing. Why? Because people don't read. Or, for those games whose content isn't all that dynamic and there is cause for a sticky thread, it is not at all uncommon at times to suddenly find the first page riddled with threads asking questions that could all be answered by reading the sticky. Why? Because people don't read.

So the community evolves. They get in the habit of urging people to take a little responsibility and do their own reading instead of just showing up to ask questions and be spoonfed. Was it fully warranted in this case? Not really. Did the response in this case warrant your tirade about all the "douches" and high post count "loud mouths"? No. So be a grown up about it, take it down a notch, and contribute something useful. Your crusade will not end well for you.
#28 May 23 2010 at 12:25 AM Rating: Default
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OK please stop this, i only intended to find more info about the game (info that i haven't seem), the info that already come out(maps and a little more information is good enough for me) when i asked this questions that information was not release yet, yes i could have Google it but there is more then that to get info about something, but please lets end this useless arguments and yes and yes it was rude to tell anyone to go "Google it", thats why we are using this forum's for to share new information that maybe people like myself didn't know about, I been keeping up with all "new" info, but i just thought i ask some questions and see if i missed something that was all.


If you want it to end, stop arguing in it. For future reference, if there's new information that is not an alpha leak, it's usually posted here within 24 hours by the people who do know how to find it. Now you know. Just don't start in with the misguided hippy, "Please stop arguing, yes you were wrong, just please stop." You're not helping.
#29 May 23 2010 at 12:29 AM Rating: Good
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Ok, point taken.
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I am sorry it turned into this Cguardinos. Even those of of who are saying we find this thread somewhat rude know you had no ill intentions. You're not a bad poster; you just got unlucky with how some people chose to react. I think in a similar way people came down too hard on you and this whole thread. They didn't have any ill intentions either, but they were too fervent in wanting to be clear about what they consider proper forum etiquette.
#31 May 23 2010 at 8:01 AM Rating: Good
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I apologize to the OP and everyone else as well. I only replied to be helpful, didn't realize it was going to turn out the way it did.
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and it would be nice to think that taking a stand on principle now could spare us all some grief later.


also, i didn't mention EJ as a paragon of forum culture, i contrasted their productivity with allakhazam's. i really can't stand the people on EJ, and it doesn't help at all that they so named their community in an attempt to be "ironic". perhaps this is one of those things that's mutually exclusive. apparently ZAM has been this way since forever and i was simply shocked to suddenly see it.

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It's also not a multi-game site...why you'd ever think they'd branch out to include FFXIV of all games is beyond me. It'd be like musing about whether or not WoWhead is going to get an FFXIV section.


Allakhazam used to be just for EQ1...

don't take it too personally, Allegory, consider my hate to have been aimed at everyone who was negative about the OP. see above.

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LaFey,

You have just become my Alla hero. You have very accurately and eloquently expressed my feelings on people who reply to posts with unhelpful responses. If only the mods in this place would do something about this it would be a godsend.

Very respectfully.
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#34 May 24 2010 at 9:25 AM Rating: Decent
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LordAshal wrote:
LaFey,

You have just become my Alla hero. You have very accurately and eloquently expressed my feelings on people who reply to posts with unhelpful responses. If only the mods in this place would do something about this it would be a godsend.

Very respectfully.
LordAshal


lolwut?

it's pretty hard to be helpful when people are too lazy to help themselves and post impossible to answer generic questions. Not only is the new information blatantly available to the person if they scroll through a couple pages of threads, it's also chronological so the OP could easily have picked out information.

As for the mods doing something about it, they probably secretly like having people help keep the inane posting to a minimum so that the boards don't get clustered with uselessness.
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#35 May 24 2010 at 5:48 PM Rating: Good
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I wish to every God and Goddess across the board that there WAS more information, if only to stop garbage like this. No really, look around you at these forums. They aren't very active as it is, and this thread is why. Not only is there no information, but members of the community don't even want activity here!

We can't even have a civil discussion (and realistically, all ANYONE had to say was nope, not really, I haven't heard anything ; ;) here without throwing down the gauntlets and trying to drive people away.

Personal Google?

Waste of time?

You know, the thread topic was very descriptive. If anyone felt this thread was a "waste of time", they shouldn't have even clicked, much less wasted their time posting that "we aren't your personal google".

Some of you I really think need a tall glass of STFU, and at least two of you I am genuinely shocked at.
#36 May 24 2010 at 6:25 PM Rating: Good
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Not only is the new information blatantly available to the person if they scroll through a couple pages of threads, it's also chronological so the OP could easily have picked out information.


Then either point to the exact location with the information, summarize it, or ignore the post. You Bardalicious in particular should just ignore the thread if you object to the content. It's simple. Or you have thread OCD and must reply to every thread you see in which case I would apologize and retract my statement.

Edited, May 24th 2010 8:27pm by LordAshal
#37 May 24 2010 at 7:16 PM Rating: Default
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Then either point to the exact location with the information, summarize it, or ignore the post.

You mean the entire forum? I suppose I wouldn't be shocked if the OP ignored all the other threads packed with information.

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You Bardalicious in particular should just ignore the thread if you object to the content. It's simple. Or you have thread OCD and must reply to every thread you see in which case I would apologize and retract my statement.


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#38 May 24 2010 at 7:24 PM Rating: Good
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I've always felt that in cases like this, it's just best to simply refer the OP to best source for new info. Something quick and to the point, that's easy and doesn't take up a lot of your time. Toss them a link the the FFXIV wiki, or Eorzeapedia, and leave them to their info.

Internet etiquette is still in its formative years...many people don't know all the latest conventions, and many don't agree with certain ones, or their manner of enforcement. Video game forums are particularly esoteric in these regards, because of their users. It should be expected that posters will occasionally slip-up on them despite good intentions. The best thing to do is be patient and helpful, and if you don't agree with the behavior, then a polite message telling why should suffice. I think that'd do plenty to curb others repeating the same action.

Lastly, LaFey, I'm surprised you tossed all that venom at Allegory. He/she is one of the most polite and well-spoken posters around here, and certainly didn't warrant any of those insults.

Edited, May 24th 2010 9:29pm by Eske
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Lastly, LaFey, I'm surprised you tossed all that venom at Allegory. He/she is one of the most polite and well-spoken posters around here, and certainly didn't warrant any of those insults.


as i said, i wasn't exactly directing anything at a single person.

for the others, we've seen the slippery slope collapse from "just google it!" to "read the thousands of posts scattered through hundreds of threads spaced over months of forum logs and sift through the 90% of the 'just google it' responses to find the information before organizing it by relevance and chronology."

unreasonable expectation, much?

maybe it would have been more efficient to just answer a simply question in the first place??? regardless of your precious forum etiquette, and especially in this case where your silly customs are actually counter-productive.
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LaFey wrote:

for the others, we've seen the slippery slope collapse from "just google it!" to "read the thousands of posts scattered through hundreds of threads spaced over months of forum logs and sift through the 90% of the 'just google it' responses to find the information before organizing it by relevance and chronology."


You realize that slippery slope is a fallacy and in no way is an accepted method of proving your point?

Ok, good, I'm glad we can all recognize how absurd your point is.
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You realize that slippery slope is a fallacy and in no way is an accepted method of proving your point?

Ok, good, I'm glad we can all recognize how absurd your point is.


i'm perfectly aware of what the slippery slope fallacy is, and that's why i was calling you guys out for making it in the first place.... so, yeah. it kinda does prove my point since you were using the fallacy.

ok, good, i'm a little glad that you ... oh wait. you didn't recognize how absurd your non-point was.
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#42 May 24 2010 at 11:19 PM Rating: Default
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Bardalicious wrote:
You realize that slippery slope is a fallacy and in no way is an accepted method of proving your point?

Ok, good, I'm glad we can all recognize how absurd your point is.


i'm perfectly aware of what the slippery slope fallacy is, and that's why i was calling you guys out for making it in the first place.... so, yeah. it kinda does prove my point since you were using the fallacy.

ok, good, i'm a little glad that you ... oh wait. you didn't recognize how absurd your non-point was.


I have an idea...why don't you lead by example and instead of continuing to **** up the thread after the OP has asked for it to stop, you just prove that you're not all talk and knock it off. How's that? You want to see a higher level of respect? Set the example, sporty.
#43 May 25 2010 at 1:09 AM Rating: Good
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Just reviewing this thread and some others...would just like to say that I've grown to hate this place.

Those who immediately attack posters are quite simply being a$$holes, no way around it. If any of you feel that a topic is just simply outrageous at least provide a link that will help educate the OP, you could even give a stern warning, but don't be pricks about it. Don't try to up your post count every chance you get.

This quoting back and forth, with the most flowery of language, jesus.....it's just tired.

The same repeat posters over and over again trying to gain some notoriety or admiration, never truly adding anything to the conversation.

sad sad place this has become....

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LaFey wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
You realize that slippery slope is a fallacy and in no way is an accepted method of proving your point?

Ok, good, I'm glad we can all recognize how absurd your point is.


i'm perfectly aware of what the slippery slope fallacy is, and that's why i was calling you guys out for making it in the first place.... so, yeah. it kinda does prove my point since you were using the fallacy.

ok, good, i'm a little glad that you ... oh wait. you didn't recognize how absurd your non-point was.

I don't recall ever saying that useless posting was going to spiral the forum into a dead forum, nice try, though.

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nobody is forcing you to stay/post/read.

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Those who immediately attack posters are quite simply being a$$holes, no way around it. If any of you feel that a topic is just simply outrageous at least provide a link that will help educate the OP, you could even give a stern warning, but don't be pricks about it. Don't try to up your post count every chance you get.

my response was hardly an attack. In fact, it was meant to be somewhat in jest, but if people want to blow **** out of proportion and gripe about it by all means entertain me. And up my post count? I couldn't even begin to care less about my post count.


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sad sad place this has become....

oh, you caught me!! I'm here trying to farm admiration from all the anonymous users. Way to weasel out the master plan there.
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Bard seriously what the **** is your problem? I mean really, how many posts have to hit default or lower before you realize that you are just sounding like a complete *******?

I agree with samo - this place just isn't even fun anymore.
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Bard seriously what the **** is your problem? I mean really, how many posts have to hit default or lower before you realize that you are just sounding like a complete @#%^?

I agree with samo - this place just isn't even fun anymore.

oh noooo my poor karma

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OP, perhaps you would have some luck speculating the speculations with some chaps while enjoying an order of the blue jello. Just don't spoil your appetite.

Too much?

Anyways, since I scratched your back, could you look up a good routine to help me increase my max deadlift. I'm hitting a mean plateau.

Edited, May 25th 2010 2:40pm by Callipho
#49 May 25 2010 at 7:04 PM Rating: Good
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Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime.

All this is, is someone coming in here posting "Hey, anyone have any spare fish?" and getting indignant when handed a fishing manual.

We know what they what. We know we can give them what we want. But it's better for them to tell them HOW to get what they want instead of just getting it for them.

Posting to ask for information that is publicly available is pretty much just saying "I CBA to look it up myself so someone needs to give me the information". And then that's followed by getting all indignant because people won't indulge your sense of entitlement.

A forum's userbase is not your personal Google/Wikipedia. If what you're looking for is information, look on the forum to see if you can find what you want. Google/Wiki search it. If you STILL can't find it, THEN post.

And yes, higher post counts do equate to "rudeness" in this case, because chances are, the longer you've been around, the more people you've seen who feel that searching for something is "too much work" and so they expect forum users to be their own personal search engine. Having to frequently and repeatedly hear multiple people asking the same questions because none of them can be bothered to search for any of the other hundred times the same exact question has been already asked, or just use Google/Wiki to find the information. That's what they're for.
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[quote=Torrence]Bardalicious is getting karma bombed

it tickles :D


The true purpose of the karma system is to give the people who are wrong and butthurt when confronted with valid counterpoints feel better.
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