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#1 May 22 2010 at 12:57 AM Rating: Decent
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1) An early release of FFXIV, but still full of bugs, unbalanced, crashes sometimes and lots of updates to adjust and tweak. Basically start out with a "beta" on a very large scale.

2) A late release of FFXIV, but probably with less bugs, balancing, crashes and less updates to adjust and tweaking (less input from the general population). Basically start out with a polished game.

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#2 May 22 2010 at 1:04 AM Rating: Good
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2 is wishful thinking, even if they take "longer" to release the game.

So 1.
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#3 May 22 2010 at 1:43 AM Rating: Decent
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2. Hands down. I've played games where the release was basically "beta part two". Aion, Star trek online and Warhammer spring to mind here. I canceled my account for the former two games with the first month. I cancelled my Warhammer account when I realized there wasn't much content in the game. (Each and every one of these things could have been fixed by just releasing the game 3 months later.)

Its not so much that I mind a few bugs, glitches or what have you. I mind when large portions of the game simply do not work. "Look, another quest that's broken." "Joy, I wanted to do this PvP thing but it doesn't work."

If I'm paying, give me a product worth paying for.
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#4 May 22 2010 at 1:58 AM Rating: Decent
1.5

Something in between the two, if it comes down to it.
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#5 May 22 2010 at 2:22 AM Rating: Good
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1.5

Something in between the two, if it comes down to it.


Beat me to it, lol. Put me down for 1.5

I can deal with some bugs and server issues. That's really to be expected with a new MMO release.
#6 May 22 2010 at 4:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well seeing how ****** people got over the Alpha being buggy and crashing, when it's in a testing phase, for the sake of humanity I'd rather not see the Whaaaaambulance arrive at the actual launch when it's full of bugs, so I'd say #2.
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#8 May 22 2010 at 7:51 AM Rating: Decent
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As other have said, 1.5 I guess. It'll never be perfect, there will always be some big problems on launch, all MMOs that I've heard of have had them, even WoW. DOn't know about FFXI. Oh course some have been downright awful, like Conan and a bunch of stuff not working for weeks after launch, like the AH. Want to avoid that.
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#9 May 22 2010 at 9:12 AM Rating: Decent
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I like 1.5

I don't mind bugs. I've not been on at release for any game yet and have been following XIV very close so I could try and be logged in on day 1. I've heard the stories of release day bugginess and early game issues in other games and am kind of looking for to the experience in a strange masochistic way. I don't mind a few massive updates early on, I just wanna log in.
#10 May 22 2010 at 10:28 AM Rating: Good
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I've got to wonder, out of plain old curiosity more than anything else, how much of this "I don't really care if there are some bugs" attitude is because everyone just wants to play the game so much or a true feeling.

I have a feeling that if the game were released and it wasn't near perfect the backlash would be pretty intense. Especially if it's pushed back into 2011 at all.

There doesn't seem to be a clear division between people. Some want the game out yesterday, even if all they got was what we see in the alpha. Some want to wait a little while and see some improvement but will pick up pitch-forks and riot if it's not out before the year is done. Others "don't care" how long the game takes to come out as long as the quality reflects the wait.

Yes ideally we all want the best of everything. We all want the game to be close to perfect in time for it's 2010 release date. Let's cross our fingers and hope. Maybe E3 will have some good news for us. How long away is that?
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#11 May 22 2010 at 11:05 AM Rating: Good
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I've got to wonder, out of plain old curiosity more than anything else, how much of this "I don't really care if there are some bugs" attitude is because everyone just wants to play the game so much or a true feeling.

I have a feeling that if the game were released and it wasn't near perfect the backlash would be pretty intense. Especially if it's pushed back into 2011 at all.

There doesn't seem to be a clear division between people. Some want the game out yesterday, even if all they got was what we see in the alpha. Some want to wait a little while and see some improvement but will pick up pitch-forks and riot if it's not out before the year is done. Others "don't care" how long the game takes to come out as long as the quality reflects the wait.

Yes ideally we all want the best of everything. We all want the game to be close to perfect in time for it's 2010 release date. Let's cross our fingers and hope. Maybe E3 will have some good news for us. How long away is that?


anxiety like fathers waiting outside the delivery room. everyone handles it differently, of course.

some of us understand that MMOs are living, breathing works of art and they continue to be developed as works in progress throughout their lifespan. which is why some people don't care if it has some bugs because those will be fixed, they just really want to get into the game already.

some of us couldn't bear to find a blemish on our holy virgin, and wait with baited breath hanging on the doorknob of her boudoir while she applies lipstick and rouge. it's SE's prerogative to release a product they're comfortable with showing.

and of course, some of us want it both ways because the internets is childish like that. microwaves are too slow, and they want a perfect confection under a silver dome when they open the door.

i like hearing about the game of course, but one thing i couldn't care less to hear more of is speculation about the release date. it's like christmas: it will come when it will come, and all your hand wringing won't reorder the calender. spare yourselves the stress, and just accept that time will pass and the moment of release is inevitable. it's ever so much more reassuring to know that it will come than to guess at when.
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#12 May 22 2010 at 3:03 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm perfectly content to wait longer for a more finished product, I just wish we'd get more information along the way. But hey, this is SE we're talking about; we're lucky we even got a site update before E3...
#13 May 22 2010 at 8:35 PM Rating: Good
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I don't mind "1" for this specific game. That's because I have enough faith in Square-Enix and the final fantasy series in general that I'd stick around in FFXIV even if it was still buggy at the start. I can be confident that any problems will get fixed so I wouldn't be in danger of losing interest.

Other games that I'm not familiar with would be a different story, but for something I've followed as closely as I have with FFXIV, some bugs won't be a problem.
#14 May 22 2010 at 9:57 PM Rating: Good
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0.5

let me get in the **** alpha/beta already!
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#15 May 23 2010 at 12:12 AM Rating: Default
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1 or 2, it really will not matter. Squeenix is so terrible at user/customer support. So I am saying 1+2^3

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#16 May 23 2010 at 12:23 AM Rating: Decent
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I would say
"2) A late release of FFXIV, but probably with less bugs, balancing, crashes and less updates to adjust and tweaking (less input from the general population). Basically start out with a polished game."

because it would suck it they release i crappy game where they need to keep people off playing because they "NEED TO FIX PROBLEMS"
#17 May 23 2010 at 12:31 AM Rating: Decent
I don't really want a forum full of screaming QQ about how SE is horrible and FFXIV is broken and "gg SE you ****** it up again" nonsense, which is going to happen anyways, but I'd at least like it to be easy to poke fun at the whiners which means option #2 is the only viable option. No MMO ships without bugs, early server issues (including crashes, prolonged unannounced downtime, emergency maintenance, etc.) That's why it's important for SE to do everything they can to address known issues before the game ships. That way they've got a clean slate to focus on the issues that don't really crop up until retail release. If they ship with a mile long list of known issues, they're going to find FFXIV heading down the same road as games like Warhammer, and nobody really wants that.
#18 May 23 2010 at 1:10 AM Rating: Default
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SE still has roughly 11 months left in the fiscal year so i think it will be better then the #2 option. I think the game is looking great. I will say that it will be disappointing not to have the game under the X-Mas tree this year.
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#19 May 23 2010 at 2:29 AM Rating: Decent
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I'd actually be fine with #2 as long as they are more open with information as to whats going on.

I mean of course with a MMO and with so many things that can go one with thousands of people playing at once...your never going to be fully free of bugs. And considering the premise of the armory system it must take some time to balance. If SE would be more up-front with some of the new and cool things going on with the game then the wait would feel less terrible.
#20 May 23 2010 at 12:32 PM Rating: Good
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I'm used to stuff being delayed. Happens with Nintendo frequently.
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#21 May 23 2010 at 9:25 PM Rating: Good
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1.5 sounds about right. As most have mentioned, MMOs Always have bugs, glitches, and balancing issues... and not just at release. Some bugs and glitches aren't found until a large number of players reach content/environments and go about things differently than the testers did. Balancing issues arise after the playerbase starts finding ways of exploiting abilities and equipment to boost the effectiveness of certain jobs in ways the Devs did not foresee. You will never, ever test these all away. XIV will launch with them, and ten years later it will still face all of them, no matter how long the Devs delay release.


Now I'm not for SE rushing a product with a long list of known issues. If testing shows a problem, I'd hope they'd take the time to iron them out first (with a focus towards dealing with issues that arise in lower level content), even if it meant delaying release. But I don't subscribe to the argument that a delay automatically means we'll get a better experience at launch. At some point you must release and prepare to (rapidly) respond to issues as they arise.
#22 May 24 2010 at 4:31 AM Rating: Good
Please release it before this xmas, i wont care for the bugs.
1.7?
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#23 May 24 2010 at 7:48 AM Rating: Good
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I'll settle on 1.4 if they get it out calendar year 2010.
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#24 May 24 2010 at 3:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Type 3. Special Limited Edition with awesome in game item? probably a mix of 1 and 2 ultimately a working game with as few glitches as possible.
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umm they do have a special ingame item.. remember the ffxiii ingame item if you bought the ps3 version. Still not sure what the item is and i bet that SE doesn't either...lol
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#26 May 26 2010 at 10:41 AM Rating: Good
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I hope they delay the release until the major bugs are worked out. I know everyone would love to play it asap. However, you also need to think about the "long term" effects.

If it's released premature with alot of impactful bugs not worked out, you are going to have alot of bad reviews and press generated. Also, there would be a decent amount of people who start at release quitting the game and not looking back even when those issues are fixed.

I am a firm believer that an MMO is going to fail or soar based on its release. Look at Aion. No matter what new features are added (making exp easier, upping drop rates for instances, etc) or what new steps they take towards RMT, a large portion of the playerbase has already quit over these issues and will not come back. FFXI is another good example of this. SE has made alot of changes to the game which solved some of the complaints people and press have had during the first few years it was out. Even with this progress, this has not changed the opinion of most game magazines or G4 shows. They still look at it the same as they did when it was released.
#27 May 26 2010 at 11:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Im a fan of the #1 option.

Why? I want to play Beta anyways. May as well get the show on the road.

...Plus, Im terribly board of any game Im playing these days.
#28 May 26 2010 at 5:58 PM Rating: Decent
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#2. Take as long as humanly possible, I'm not going anywhere.
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Personally I'd be happy with 1. As I am really wanting to play FFXIV as soon as possible and I can understand any bugs along the way.

But also I'd prefer 2, so other people can start the game without problems and enjoy it.
So more people would be playing and it would be more successful. I wouldn't want people to be put off when starting FFXIV for the first time.

So, yeah, the best situation for me is I'd like to get into the beta, really. And save the official release for when it's perfected. :)
#30 May 27 2010 at 2:58 AM Rating: Decent
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why not just try both? then you'll have a comparision about the advancement
#31 May 27 2010 at 6:30 AM Rating: Decent
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i'd much rather have a later more polished release. 1 of the things i loved about ffxi was in 3 years i didn't see a single bug, nowadays mmo's are riddled with bugs. maybe it was because ffxi started out a relatively small game (cap at lvl 50 5 rank missions limited end game) and then was added to allot after release.
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