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#1 May 30 2010 at 8:34 AM Rating: Default
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DP: Are there NPC like male Miqo’te and female highlanders that you can’t choose as a player?
KI: Yeah, there are. They might appear in certain forms. At this point, I can’t declare that players can’t play as them forever.


Male Miqo'te confirmed!

...SE's bad at lying. Just gonna say.
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#2 May 30 2010 at 8:38 AM Rating: Default
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as a playable race*

Before anyone goes, "Well, duh."

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#3 May 30 2010 at 8:47 AM Rating: Good
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Yes.

It's not like we can talk about the alpha, what else are we left with, Mr. Grumpyface? ; ;
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Every time someone says "Male Miqo'te", god kills a kitten.

Stop saying "Male Miqo'te", save the kittens.
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#7 May 30 2010 at 9:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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Every time someone says "Male Miqo'te", god kills a kitten.

Stop saying "Male Miqo'te", save the kittens.
Manqo'te.

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#8 May 30 2010 at 10:19 AM Rating: Decent
Paid race changes are a cash cow for MMO developers. Wada says micro transactions, a small but dedicated group of XI -> XIV fans screams, "MALE MIQ'OTE PL0X!!", Wada says, "Cha-ching!!"
#9 May 30 2010 at 1:18 PM Rating: Decent
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I hate to say it, but I can easily see Aurelius being right on this :S
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#10 May 30 2010 at 1:34 PM Rating: Good
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I would like to see them make these races playable at release.. It's time SE..It's time ..
#11 May 30 2010 at 1:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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Paid race changes are a cash cow for MMO developers. Wada says micro transactions, a small but dedicated group of XI -> XIV fans screams, "MALE MIQ'OTE PL0X!!", Wada says, "Cha-ching!!"


It would be weird to see them take a cue from Cryptic.

Actually, it's decidedly weird to see Square take a cue from anybody.
Though I do admit when it comes to their MMO division, they just don't fill out the "I am an industry leader" shoes quite like the console divisions do. So maybe they might end up going with the flow of whatever ends up being popular.

**** you Blizzard fanboys for proving the profitability of being milked twice.


Edited, May 30th 2010 3:54pm by Zemzelette
#12 May 30 2010 at 1:58 PM Rating: Default
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Paid race changes are a cash cow for MMO developers. Wada says micro transactions, a small but dedicated group of XI -> XIV fans screams, "MALE MIQ'OTE PL0X!!", Wada says, "Cha-ching!!"


It would be weird to see them take a cue from Cryptic.
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It's not just Crypitc...it costs something like $35 US to change a character's race in WoW. A part of me resents the additional commercialization of gaming that is starting to unfold, but at the same time development budgets for cutting edge games are rivaling that of a lot of big budget Hollywood films and that money has to come from somewhere.
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I hope they (new races/ race genders) make it to the release of the game.


#14 May 30 2010 at 3:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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Oh oh, Change.
My bad. I had thought you'd meant "you can't play as these races unless you pay".
Like how Cryptic ended up offering STO's Federation Klingons and Ferengi.


#15 May 30 2010 at 3:37 PM Rating: Good
For some reason, whenever i hear " Male Miqo'te", all i can think about is Liono.
Thundercats Hooo!!!!!

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#16 May 30 2010 at 5:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Every time someone says "Male Miqo'te", god kills a kitten.

Stop saying "Male Miqo'te", save the kittens.


You *******, you've just doomed two kittens!
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Paid race changes are a cash cow for MMO developers. Wada says micro transactions, a small but dedicated group of XI -> XIV fans screams, "MALE MIQ'OTE PL0X!!", Wada says, "Cha-ching!!"


Oddly enough... I'm slightly okay with this.

I know I'd pay.

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The One and Only Aurelius wrote:
Paid race changes are a cash cow for MMO developers. Wada says micro transactions, a small but dedicated group of XI -> XIV fans screams, "MALE MIQ'OTE PL0X!!", Wada says, "Cha-ching!!"


Oddly enough... I'm slightly okay with this.

I know I'd pay.

:X

And I'd just replace the appropriate .DATs (or whatever filetype they will use in FFXIV)

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And I'd just replace the appropriate .DATs (or whatever filetype they will use in FFXIV)

:D


But... Showing off to all your friends is half the point of the MMO D:
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#20 May 30 2010 at 6:13 PM Rating: Good
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Selling new races would be a good money maker....but I'm honestly waiting for playable Moogles...which might never happen since 3/4's of a server population would probably become one.
#21 May 30 2010 at 9:09 PM Rating: Decent
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I would prolly pay to ..
#22 May 30 2010 at 10:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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SideCH wrote:
Selling new races would be a good money maker....but I'm honestly waiting for playable Moogles...which might never happen since 3/4's of a server population would probably become one.


yes, the game would be awesome with playable moogles....
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SideCH wrote:
Selling new races would be a good money maker....but I'm honestly waiting for playable Moogles...which might never happen since 3/4's of a server population would probably become one.


yes, the game would be awesome with playable moogles....

I'd rather have Moogles than male Miqo'te or female Roegadyn. Moogle Lancer FTW.
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#24 May 31 2010 at 9:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Seriously, guys, are we still on this? I didn't think playing a boy cat was this high in demand. Did you ever take into consideration that maybe this is a Business technique? "Sure, we'll have you play a male cat, eventually." "Oh really? I'm def. gonna buy the game now" -end hustle

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#25 May 31 2010 at 10:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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:p It's all pretty much one giant Hustle.
Marketing can't help but misrepresent, because the reality of things just isn't all that marketable. "We want you to built a character you like...within certain mechanical and sociological parameters" just doesn't have the same catchy ring.

As for being on it still, the Japanese player have been on it since they first got their mitts on XI. What was that, like, 8 years ago give or take? What makes you think it's going to suddenly evaporate now?



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#26 May 31 2010 at 11:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah this issue has been going on for a long long time.. I think the players should start something like a petition that way the developers could see how much of a demand there is for it.

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Yeah this issue has been going on for a long long time.. I think the players that would start something like a petition that way the developers could see how much of a demand there is for it.

I would not be signing said petition. The presence or absence of catmen is not going to determine whether or not I play this game.
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Yeah this issue has been going on for a long long time.. I think the players that would start something like a petition that way the developers could see how much of a demand there is for it.


Developing games is not a democracy. It's a dictatorship.

Also, not signing that petition either for obvious reasons (that aren't so obvious after all it seems).
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I said something like a petition. The inclusion or absence of male miqo'te is not going to determine whether I play the game are not but I do feel if players are wanting this to be implemented/ considered they should come together and show a mass of players who would like to see this added.
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I said something like a petition. The inclusion or absence of male miqo'te is not going to determine whether I play the game are not but I do feel if players are wanting this to be implemented/ considered they should come together and show a mass of players who would like to see this added.

I think they are coming together, by rating down those of us who don't want or don't care about male Miqo'tes.

Not that my karma's at stake here or anything. I've got far more Good & Excellent than I do Decent or lower.
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Paid race changes are a cash cow for MMO developers. Wada says micro transactions, a small but dedicated group of XI -> XIV fans screams, "MALE MIQ'OTE PL0X!!", Wada says, "Cha-ching!!"

I'd pay.
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Developing games is a Business, nothing more, nothing less.
The metaphor is catchy, but can't we just take things at face value?
#33 May 31 2010 at 6:42 PM Rating: Good
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I STILL say they should introduce the "bunny race" (Fran from FF12 :D) That alone would reduce the miquote race when FFXIV comes out:D
I know, I know, different worlds/games... It'd still be pretty cool.
#34 May 31 2010 at 7:09 PM Rating: Good
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Square-Enix has said multiple times now that they want to hear what everyone has to say about XIV. Just because you have no interest in playing a male miqo'te/female roegadyn/female highlander doesn't mean that no one else has that interest. Obviously many people do. Square-Enix wants to hear from them as much as they want to hear from you so all this weird talk about a corporation being ANY kind of a governmental body is just silly.

They're a corporation that is reaching out to their fanbase during development of a game. The fanbase is responding. Why is this such a bad thing? Why do anti-gender equality these people who are highly vocal about not wanting equal gender options for reasons entirely unrelated to gender come in to these threads every time swaggering around like they know exactly what S-E does and does not want to hear about?

[Edited to clarify that the male miqote/female Roegadyn/female Highlander Hyur haters are by and large against this for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with gender. LOL.]

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They're a corporation that is reaching out to their fanbase during development of a game. The fanbase is responding. Why is this such a bad thing? Why do anti-gender equality people come in to these threads every time swaggering around like they know exactly what S-E does and does not want to hear about?


Precisely. I'm in the camp that doesn't really care at all whether we get male Miqo'tes or female Highlanders, but I definitely don't want to stop or interfere with the opinions of those who do want those races. If people want to talk about it, let them talk about it. All we know for now is that we can't create those genders as playable characters and that they will be NPCs. That's all. People can still talk about it and I don't think anyone really should put people down just because their opinions may differ from their own.
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#36 May 31 2010 at 8:17 PM Rating: Decent
Andephyne wrote:
Square-Enix has said multiple times now that they want to hear what everyone has to say about XIV. Just because you have no interest in playing a male miqo'te/female roegadyn/female highlander doesn't mean that no one else has that interest. Obviously many people do. Square-Enix wants to hear from them as much as they want to hear from you so all this weird talk about a corporation being ANY kind of a governmental body is just silly.

They're a corporation that is reaching out to their fanbase during development of a game. The fanbase is responding. Why is this such a bad thing? Why do anti-gender equality people come in to these threads every time swaggering around like they know exactly what S-E does and does not want to hear about?


Anti-gender equality? I'll let you in on a little secret...my opposition to male Miqo'te? Pure spite. There's just something about a disturbing segment of the pro-catman population that tends to take it too far. It often seems to be bordering on an obsession. I find it creepy. Very creepy. "How many babies do you have in your freezer?" creepy. And over the top BS statements like yours? They don't help.

Anti-gender equality...

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Andephyne wrote:
Square-Enix has said multiple times now that they want to hear what everyone has to say about XIV. Just because you have no interest in playing a male miqo'te/female roegadyn/female highlander doesn't mean that no one else has that interest. Obviously many people do. Square-Enix wants to hear from them as much as they want to hear from you so all this weird talk about a corporation being ANY kind of a governmental body is just silly.

They're a corporation that is reaching out to their fanbase during development of a game. The fanbase is responding. Why is this such a bad thing? Why do anti-gender equality people come in to these threads every time swaggering around like they know exactly what S-E does and does not want to hear about?


Anti-gender equality? I'll let you in on a little secret...my opposition to male Miqo'te? Pure spite. There's just something about a disturbing segment of the pro-catman population that tends to take it too far. It often seems to be bordering on an obsession. I find it creepy. Very creepy. "How many babies do you have in your freezer?" creepy. And over the top BS statements like yours? They don't help.

Anti-gender equality...

Smiley: oyvey

I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees that as overreaching and grasping at straws.
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I'm only commenting on what I'm seeing. Every thread I've seen this brought up in, the people against it have said something along the lines of "because it is wrong" or "because I don't want it."

Considering this is a topic that is completely about gender (male miqo'tes, female Roegadyn and female Highlander hyur) I don't think it's grasping at all to speculate that the people who are being so vocal in their objections have a problem with weaker-looking male characters and stronger-looking female characters.

Maybe you don't have that same opinion, and good for you, but you're still trying to detract from my very reasonable post above by claiming I'm "grasping" at a reason. Which kind of makes you look like the one doing the grasping at straws. :)

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#39 May 31 2010 at 9:07 PM Rating: Good
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I'd have to really stretch to find a gender issue, here.

About the only thing that has ever given me pause is the fact Square is very comfortable pimping out that bishonen angle in their console games, but the second they get to MMOs it all but dissapears. Granted, the whole thing is a nod in the direction of females that belong to an entirely different cultural aesthetic. But I'd always appreciated the thought all the same.

The thing is, I can't draw a direct relation to male miquote and the bishonen archetype. Just because the one particular case on record in XI fits the bill, wouldn't mean an implement here would too. About the only quasi-gender thing I can think of, and it's pretty much an entirely separate issue.



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Yeah, I wouldn't pay to play as a cat-man. Good luck to all of you who would. I hope they include it in the game for you, of course I'd rather see more people happy. Personally for me, it's not worth it. I've wanted to be an Elezen since I saw the trailer. Of course I'm bias cause I was an Elvaan in FFXI so what can I say.

After all that, I'd really have to put my money where my mouth is if they let you become a moogle. Hopefully it won't come to that, but man that would be a choice and a half for me. As said before, Moogle Lancer!
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#41The One and Only Aurelius, Posted: May 31 2010 at 9:33 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You're trying to apply a real world moral issue to an MMO. People opposed to gender equality in the real world are way, way behind the times. Sexism/chauvanism are taboo personality traits these days. It's almost on par with racism in terms of "dated social philosophies we'd like to see vanish." So then when you try to label people in those terms while referencing gender/race combinations in an MMO, you ARE grasping. You're making a mountain out of a molehill...as altogether too many male mithra/miqo'te proponents are apt to do...and when you realize (or not) that you lack the confidence to simply say you have a preference and stand in your truth, you have to stoop to some pretty atrocious allegations.
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The metaphor is catchy, but can't we just take things at face value?


I think it's important to realize that, to get some perspective here.

It's a business where lots and lots of ignorant people talk like they know how things should be done, but only the small elite group really knows what is good and what is bad.

It's hard to grasp sometimes.

And god help us when said elite group starts listening to us- we can basically throw away all hope at that point.

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and why does it have to be a weaker male ? SE could make a tweak like they did with the FFXI races. The Ronso's from FFX come to mind. Either way I would like to see the option **** maybe even a new race option like one of the ones above listed. It shows that SE is listening to our feedback and gives just another element that separates it from being FFXI-2.
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You're making a mountain out of a molehill...as altogether too many male mithra/miqo'te proponents are apt to do...and when you realize (or not) that you lack the confidence to simply say you have a preference and stand in your truth, you have to stoop to some pretty atrocious allegations.


I think you are assuming that I am pro male-miqo'te just because I take issue with people coming into this thread and telling people that S-E doesn't want to hear about it. I'm a female IRL and I always play female characters. I have no personal interest invested in this, but I am pretty curious as to why the issue is so divisive. It seems like people are as you say obsessively enthusiastic about it or as I say, obsessively against it. It's just weird to me.

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#45The One and Only Aurelius, Posted: May 31 2010 at 10:05 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'm not going to disagree with you, but I'm going to point out something. Months and months ago, it was a common practice around here to slam certain MMO developers for allegedly "doing everything their players want." Of course, that allegation was both false and ridiculous, but it did bring light to a certain truth when it comes to MMO development: you don't have to do everything your players want in order to demonstrate that you're listening to them. SE has already demonstrated that they're listening in the alpha.
#46The One and Only Aurelius, Posted: May 31 2010 at 10:09 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Maybe you could quote the post where someone said that SE doesn't want to hear about it? I'm not seeing anything to that effect anywhere in this thread. At all. I've seen posters here insinuate that they...the posters...are not interested in hearing about it, but we're not SE. Your argument would likely benefit from addressing what has been said and not fabricating things to make your opposition look bad.
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That's what I thought too.
Then they released this blurb about how they'd never really intended to go with that battle system in the first place.
The fools! They could have just kept quiet and reaped the brownie points.

Now I don't know what to think.

And I can't help but wonder, if people had loved it, would they have changed it anyway? :x


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I think it's important to realize that, to get some perspective here.

It's a business where lots and lots of ignorant people talk like they know how things should be done, but only the small elite group really knows what is good and what is bad.

It's hard to grasp sometimes.

And god help us when said elite group starts listening to us- we can basically throw away all hope at that point.


Exactly, players tend to know what they want but have no clue what they actualy need.
The release of AoC is a fine example of Devs giving the players what they ask for, for some uncomprehendable reason they actualy made most of the changes the plays said would improve the game instead of sticking to the integrity of thier game and tweaking till they had met thier vision.

If the FFXIV devs decide it is within thier vision to give us more character opptions then they will try to give us that, I think it's a good idea but i am not on the Dev team so my oppinion matters little.
#49The One and Only Aurelius, Posted: May 31 2010 at 10:15 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I think that in the context under which they announced the new system, they're demonstrating that they're listening and I appreciate their honesty. For me, I don't care how they arrive at a solution to the issues the players bring forward. They're acknowledging that they've heard the feedback and that they have a solution in the works. That's a big step forward for SE. During my time in FFXI, the best we'd usually be able to hope for was them telling us that they were aware of the situation and were working on a solution (that was usually months if not years from making it into the game). Typically, they wouldn't acknowledge the concerns at all.
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I remember those days.

I suppose your right, I'm not really being fair.

If all the leaked correspondences is any indication they're being downright chatty, which I'm sure is uncomfortable for them given how Japanese businesses tend to have a closed-communication style. I appreciate they're putting forward this much effort to make themselves attractive to western gamers.

Still, I'm a cynic.
I still need that one event where I can see some cause and effect in action before I'll stop sleeping with one eye open.
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I remember those days.

I suppose your right, I'm not really being fair.

If all the leaked correspondences is any indication they're being downright chatty, which I'm sure is uncomfortable for them given how Japanese businesses tend to have a closed-communication style. I appreciate they're putting forward this much effort to make themselves attractive to western gamers.

Still, I'm a cynic.
I still need that one event where I can see some cause and effect in action before I'll stop sleeping with one eye open.


I wouldn't want to wake up to find Tanaka standing over me, either. SE has a long way to go to fully re-earn the trust of people like me, but I'm happy to give them credit where it's due. The main thing they need to do now is get the server issues cleared up so they can start the beta and get a broader spectrum of feedback coming in.
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