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#1 Jun 02 2010 at 4:34 AM Rating: Decent
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So, since in theory you should be able to make your main class of the whole game a DoL class, this got me thinking about Miner.

Its the only class in DoL that we have any info on and unlike DoH classes, a DoL class needs to be out in the filed with the monsters in order to do there work. Now SE has already given us some info saying that Miners will be able to throw rocks and weaken mineral based monsters...meaning some parties might have a Miner in the group.

Now depending on just how flexible the Armory system is...do you think you'd be able to put DoW or DoM class skills on a Miner? Make a purely support or even fighting Miner to help out in fights between searching for mining spots? Might make for some really un-orthodox parties.

(this is all mega speculation, Miner and other DoL classes might not even get the right gear and armor to even consider being anywhere near a monster and a DoW class might be able to just set the Miners weakening and rock-throwing skills, however useful they might be)
#2The One and Only Aurelius, Posted: Jun 02 2010 at 8:43 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Unless SE opts to give miners some pretty beefy mining picks, DoW abilities on a miner would largely be a waste of time for combat. Buffing maybe, but also it becomes a question (like you said) of armor, and just how your stats would compare to a real combat class if you aren't able to equip any sort of stat enhancing gear. DoM would be similar in the stat limitations but perhaps a bit more potent because you're not needing to hit things with a mining pick to do damage. I would imagine there would be a significant portion of players who would resent having to level a caster class in order to be able to have some offense while out mining, but there's been very little information about it up to this point.
#3 Jun 02 2010 at 11:18 AM Rating: Default
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I love posts filled with acronyms without any indication of what they stand for! Its especially awesome when there are real acronyms identical to yours so readers have no way of figuring out what the **** your trying to say.

FYI: It's considered proper to write out your first usage following it with your acronym.

DoL =
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#4 Jun 02 2010 at 11:25 AM Rating: Decent
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windexy wrote:
I love posts filled with acronyms without any indication of what they stand for! Its especially awesome when there are real acronyms identical to yours so readers have no way of figuring out what the **** your trying to say.

FYI: It's considered proper to write out your first usage following it with your acronym.

DoL =
DoW =
DoM =
DoH =


If you've been reading these forums it should be obvious what he's referring to. If it's not, just think about the acronym in context and you should be able to figure out what it stands for.
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#5 Jun 02 2010 at 11:36 AM Rating: Default
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What do I think? Meh.

Why should a Miner need to fight? If you switch your class to a Miner, isn't it obvious that mining is what you want to be doing, not fighting?

If combat is what you're wishing for, then switch to a combat class. There's no real penalty there.

Crafters craft, miners mine, combat classes fight. I don't think it should be any more complex than that.
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#6 Jun 02 2010 at 11:55 AM Rating: Decent
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This is something Im interested in how its going to play out. I dont have a clue how it will work out.

I cant see there being an option to use DoW or DoM skills without some serious penalty's. But I hope SE surprises me with some revolutionary system.
#7 Jun 02 2010 at 11:58 AM Rating: Decent
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What do I think? Meh.

Why should a Miner need to fight? If you switch your class to a Miner, isn't it obvious that mining is what you want to be doing, not fighting?

If combat is what you're wishing for, then switch to a combat class. There's no real penalty there.

Crafters craft, miners mine, combat classes fight. I don't think it should be any more complex than that.


that would be the case if SE didn't say that miners can throw rocks at mobs and weaken mineral based monsters.

so a miner will fight, solo or in a group

Edited, Jun 2nd 2010 1:58pm by daour
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What do I think? Meh.

Why should a Miner need to fight? If you switch your class to a Miner, isn't it obvious that mining is what you want to be doing, not fighting?

If combat is what you're wishing for, then switch to a combat class. There's no real penalty there.

Crafters craft, miners mine, combat classes fight. I don't think it should be any more complex than that.

Just for that, I'm going to go Culinarian and find an excuse to beat the crap out of something with a frying pan.
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#9 Jun 02 2010 at 12:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Just for that, I'm going to go Culinarian and find an excuse to beat the crap out of something with a frying pan.


This is giving me goblin flashbacks.......
#10 Jun 02 2010 at 12:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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windexy wrote:
FYI: It's considered proper to write out your first usage following it with your acronym.

Welcome to internet and MMORPGs, where people turn anything and everything into TLA (Three Letter Acronyms) or ETLA (Extended Three Letter Acronyms). DPS, PUG, COP, TOAU, WOTG, WOTLK, HHoR, wtf...

DoL = Disciple of the Land (Gatherer)
DoW = Disciple of War
DoM = Disciple of Magic
DoH = Disciple of the Hand (Crafter)

Funny, I had a similar conversation yesterday. Someone told me "Using Acronym makes you sound intelligent" to which I answered "If you really want to sound intelligent, you'll say Deoxyribonucleic acid, not DNA. You use DNA if you want people to know what you're talking about, however." (Which is more important than sounding intelligent)

/Enter Rant Mode
I make it a point not to use acronym or initialism, personally, unless it's a really obvious one. There's something I really hate about how terrible and alien net-slang or MMO-slang turns to: (notice how I accept the acronym for MMO)

(Random Guy) LFM WOTG MIS34 3/?? DD. All DD/NIN PST.

It seems like it's so hard to say this instead:
"Need more people for Wings Mission34! Need damage with ninja sub. Send tell!"
And what about:
"Setting up a run to do Mission 34 in the wings of the goddess! Anyone need it or care to help? Message me for details!"
/Rant Mode Off
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Lianda wrote:
/Enter Rant Mode
I make it a point not to use acronym or initialism, personally, unless it's a really obvious one. There's something I really hate about how terrible and alien net-slang or MMO-slang turns to: (notice how I accept the acronym for MMO)

(Random Guy) LFM WOTG MIS34 3/?? DD. All DD/NIN PST.

It seems like it's so hard to say this instead:
"Need more people for Wings Mission34! Need damage with ninja sub. Send tell!"
And what about:
"Setting up a run to do Mission 34 in the wings of the goddess! Anyone need it or care to help? Message me for details!"
/Rant Mode Off


You know, since we play on servers with both Europeans and Japanese people who do not understand English, it helps to use simple acronyms that they have learned through playing this game. So go ahead and make a point to not use acronyms. Just accept that you're not going to be doing any missions with any JPs unless they are bilingual.
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#12 Jun 02 2010 at 2:24 PM Rating: Good
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Twangaz wrote:
You know, since we play on servers with both Europeans and Japanese people who do not understand English, it helps to use simple acronyms that they have learned through playing this game. So go ahead and make a point to not use acronyms. Just accept that you're not going to be doing any missions with any JPs unless they are bilingual.

Since I speak English, French and a bit of Japanese, I tend to simply change language and keep making full sentence when I can handle it. I have had pretty good success working with many Japanese players, and have kept in touch with them for years. Me not using acronyms when I can avoid it doesn't really prevent me from working with others.

I can understand if somebody's point is that it's faster to type acronyms. I choose not to because I have a pretty high word per minute and I'm not exactly slowed down by adding a few letters.

The bigger problem I have with it is that it raises the barrier of entry for any newcomers when everybody speaks in TLAs. You save time by type an acronym, but if it makes "outsiders" unable to understand you, you pretty much failed at your first real intent; get a message across. (Then again, you may be okay with an outsider/newcomer not understanding you, it increases the chance you get someone competent).

I suppose my example in my post above was a bit strong. I don't really look down on anyone for using acronyms, and I understand most of them just fine. However, I dislike the end result when everyone uses them, so I try to fight it by using the full-length words. Just doing my part and all.

(In a very specific FFXI case, it's very hard not to use the auto-translator, because it makes typing so much faster, yet it keeps the full-length word. Therefore, my gripe is mostly about the other MMORPGs, where people use them instead of Beauce+[Tab])
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#13 Jun 02 2010 at 7:00 PM Rating: Decent
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SE made some hints about Combat classes using crafting skills (something about Archer being able to make there own arrows with the proper skills from another class) So I just wonder how much application that will have to classes that fight and ones that don't.

I mean, if you are a Blacksmith with Gladiator skills...that seems a bit pointless since you don't have much of a reason to go outside and fight. But a Gladiator with Blacksmith skills can fight and repair a sword after the fight.

Or for some people...it might be fun to be a Culinarian and bash a crab to death in the field...and then cook it!

It be interesting if you could make a Miner kind of like a Bard. Just instead of singing they...mine Monsters?
#14 Jun 03 2010 at 8:43 AM Rating: Good
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Welcome to internet and MMORPGs, where people turn anything and everything into TLA (Three Letter Acronyms) or ETLA (Extended Three Letter Acronyms). DPS, PUG, COP, TOAU, WOTG, WOTLK, HHoR, wtf...


Oh believe me I'm no stranger. But unless called on bad behavior people have no idea they need to correct it.


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DoL = Disciple of the Land (Gatherer)
DoW = Disciple of War
DoM = Disciple of Magic
DoH = Disciple of the Hand (Crafter)


Thank you.
#15 Jun 03 2010 at 9:05 AM Rating: Decent
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If you've been reading these forums it should be obvious what he's referring to. If it's not, just think about the acronym in context and you should be able to figure out what it stands for.


Wouldn't have been just as easy to answer the question?
Why the attitude?
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