The One and Only Aurelius wrote:
As far as XIV goes, the only XIV community right now are the testers. The rest of us are the community in waiting. SE has no obligation to us. We're not giving them any money right now. We're not doing anything for them besides waiting. But if you look at the information coming out of the alpha, SE has already been more forthright and communicative with the alpha playerbase in the last two months than I have ever seen them do in the past. They're not waiting for the next alpha push to go live to address the concerns of the testers. They're telling us a lot more about what's going on behind the scenes than they ever did with XI, and they're taking the feedback they're receiving and making adjustments.
I disagree with this somewhat - a lot of us ARE giving them money right now, because we are XI players and we purchase their other games. Their target audience is their current audience, and at least for me, I feel that my loyalty to the brand since the 80's deserves a little more than a "they are too stupid to get anything but a tunnel on a blu ray disc". Give me a break - and pray that Bethesda isn't developing an Elder Scrolls MMO with that attitude.
I would say that as far as XIV goes, how much money you are (or have given) SE for previous offline titles and/or XI is largely moot. And from a consumer standpoint, if I'm unhappy with a particular company for the way they're running their business and I keep giving them money, I'm being rather silly. To read all the rant post about SE here and on the XI boards from people still playing XI, my only concern is that if SE is making people so truly misrable, why do they continue to play?
It's insulting, and I don't think that it's asking too much for the *Square Enix Community*, whoever that is, to come in and drop some information. I thought that Alla had some sort of premiere\exclusive relationship with SE. I mean, SE still posts in the server message random things about Alla (Which they should probably change to Zam at some point if you are serious about the rebranding). It doesn't seem like Alla really gets anything exclusive, and so I don't think that this is where people will really come for information. Let's face it, *most* of the information comes from regular posters noticing something new on the SE website and making a thread to call everyone else's attention to it.
As I recall, the FFXI Feedback forum here was created specifically to provide a place where people could go with their concerns and suggestions and have them all nicely bundled for the XI liaison to find and review. And look what happened to it. The entire forum was stunk up with the quickness. And I would be the last person to say that should be justification for SE to abandon the idea of going there on a regular basis, but the community responsible for the stinky pile of doo-doo that was left in that forum took zero responsibility for it. I've never seen so many admin posts in a single sticky trying to explain to people how to behave. The community was given an opportunity and the community blew it. I was a member of the community at that time and I avoided that area like the plague because it was a waste of time.
I'm with everyone else here in that I would like to see more coming out of SE, but I just don't see it happening in any meaningful way for oh, the past twenty years and I don't feel that they should just be *given a chance* because of some bleeding heart sally struthers idealism. When they start posting more than once every 6 months when a magazine runs an article giving them very bad press, then they will have *earned* that open mindedness from the community.
My question would be, what exactly is it that you want to hear from them? (With regards to XIV, that is.) We've been getting monthly updates from SE on the progress of XIV via Dengeki and Famitsu. Is it that SE isn't going out of their way to single us out for direct news? How much information is it that you think we should be getting? If I'm SE and I've got an opportunity to pass along news updates every month through a couple of popular publications and I know that the contents of those articles are being translated and spread out around the web, that would probably be enough for me. The information is getting out there and by passing it through a narrow venue that is then spread all over the place, I'm able to invest my time building the game instead of talking about it.
Let's not mistake our own eagerness for new information as a failure on SE's part. From my point of view, I'd almost say that less is more at this point considering that there are apparently so many people who have no real interest in what SE has to say unless it's to tell them what they want to hear. I've always had a hard time with that even though this thread has ironically helped to make it a lot more clear. Look back over the last year and all the drawn out flame fests that existed at least in some part due to peoples' general unwillingness to accept what SE has said at face value. With the exception of the no levels/no xp statement they made shortly after the game was announced, everything they've said that they wanted for the game is now in the game. And in fairness, the no levels/no xp concept, while interesting, raised a lot of questions in terms of how it could be implemented in an MMO without creating a lot of confusion.
There are only two things that we can do to improve the communication situation with SE relative to how it was with XI and how it could be here. One is to set aside the distrust and cynicism for the time being. It serves no purpose now. It offers no benefit. It does, however, stand to create a very significant amount of harm not only in terms of this site's relationship with SE but also in terms of the perception of the new players coming here after buying XIV completely oblivious to the history between SE and XI players. I would think those new faces deserve better than to be faced with a negative, bitter community the moment they walk in the virtual door, wouldn't you?
And the other thing we can do is raise our standards in terms of what constitues a quality post. I'm not talking censorship and I'm not talking about trying to squash posts that aren't directly related to gameplay mechanics or game news. I'm talking about when it becomes nearly impossible to have a reasonable discussion about what we know because it's usually only a matter of time before someone comes along and ***** up threads arguing in denial about what they
think should happen because they refuse to take anything at face value or are unable to accept that XIV =/= XI 2.0. Too much information out now to be arguing in the face of what we've been told, but it still happens in almost every single thread here.
>> Okay, we've got our orders; we're marching on Normandy at first light.
Guy>> Normandy is stupid. We're not going to Normandy. We're going to Paris. Paris is better than Normandy.
>> It says right here..."Normandy"
Guy>> Ya, that's what it SAYS, but that's not what they really meant. I bet you it's Paris. You'll see.