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#1 Jun 16 2010 at 2:48 AM Rating: Good
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq-hDTCtLxk

SE just put up another video on their youtube channel. Showing off the new 3d mode for FFXIV. 3d screens are too expensive for me, but I guess its kind of cool if you can afford it.
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Yoichi Wada's reaction was hilarious. lol
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Wait..wait, whats Tananka trying to do???
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#5 Jun 16 2010 at 4:33 AM Rating: Good
If you updated your Nvidia drivers yesterday, you will notice something new. "Enable 3D Vision Discover".
You have to buy special glasses ($99) to use it, but it turns any monitor into 3d i guess.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-discover-main.html
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If you updated your Nvidia drivers yesterday, you will notice something new. "Enable 3D Vision Discover".
You have to buy special glasses ($99) to use it, but it turns any monitor into 3d i guess.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-discover-main.html


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Oi. Red and blue glasses, due to a disability I cannot even see 3d. This is truly disappointing indeed. :/

In FFXIV Core's interview/information:

Q. What kind of measures are you taking to prevent the RMT (Real Money Trade)?

A. We will not accept any real currency in exchange for in-game currency, we will forbid it by agreements. We all continuously work with operations teams to help prevent it.

**** yeah. Least Crysta Currency is not something to be worried about.

Edited, Jun 16th 2010 8:58am by Excenmille
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Im confused i just went to the shopt at nvidia.com...and i found 2 different 3d glasses...i found 3D discover glasses for 1 dollar each...but also found 3d Extra Glasses for 150 dollars. Which one would u need for this?


Also...i just updated my drivers and now the 3d discover options are completely gone...

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3D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I grabbed a pair of cheap 3D glasses when AVATAR was playing so I'll just use those
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There are several types of 3d formats, but to get to the basics. Remember the old 3d glasses that have red and blue lenses? That is the nvidia update. If you grabbed a pair of avatar glasses, like I did, you will see that they do not work. Your monitor has to be 3d ready for the NEW 3d technology. And you have to have a special pair of glasses that I think is the one mentioned at $150 .
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You have to buy special glasses ($99) to use it, but it turns any monitor into 3d i guess.


What fool would pay $99 for a pair of red/blue glasses??


And would the AVATAR glasses work with the new computer 3D technology? I know the concepts are the same or similar.

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From what I can tell, there are two methods potentially being used to create a 3D image. There is the red/blue "anaglyph" method (I think any red/blue glasses will do the trick, though it looks like they have some cheap plastic ones you can get for a couple of bucks). Then there's stereoscopic which costs 150-200 and requires all of the special equipment but apparently creates a better image. I am assuming that the red/blue method will work with FFXIV but I can't see the youtube video at work so I'm not sure.
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When I get home from work ill check with red blue glasses and the glasses I got from watching avatar to see what its suppose to be :P. I hope its not the ones you need 200+$ for :P
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The red/blue glasses aren't really worth it. I just tried it out with Just Cause 2 and it "works", but it is nothing compared to the new 3d. The red/blue just gives me a headache. /bleh
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No color alterations, but leaves the picture very dull looking, like the brightness has been dialled down.

Also, backdrops and mid range elements look good running this, but anything flashing about infront of the display (behind the characters for example) will leave a silhouette, kind of 2D effect and its very distracting.

Honestly, 3D is cute, but its an unnessecary distraction while glasses are still needed. Racing games are pretty fun in 3D however.
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#16 Jun 16 2010 at 11:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Then there's stereoscopic which costs 150-200 and requires all of the special equipment but apparently creates a better image. I am assuming that the red/blue method will work with FFXIV but I can't see the youtube video at work so I'm not sure.


Which is what they use in 3D movies now. The stereoscopic technique uses polarization to achieve the 3D effect. If you look at the glasses they're wearing in the new video, you can tell that's what they're using. I also know that when something uses polarization for 3D, there are many different settings that have to be adjusted for the best effect.

The main thing I don't know is whether or not the 3D settings will be an adjustable option in FFXIV, which may require buying a specific pair of 3D glasses.

If they can be adjusted though, I don't see why any pair of 3D glasses wouldn't work fine. Including the cheap ones you can get at a movie theater.
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#17 Jun 16 2010 at 11:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yoichi Wada's reaction was hilarious. lol


Haha, yeah it was Smiley: lol


Personally, I'm not all that excited for the 3D part. I'm glad it's there, but I don't plan on using it really. If for no other reason, those new style 3D glasses don't really go over my eyeglasses very well, and w/o those staring at the monitor gives me a headache.
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I can't imagine many people going for the 3-D glasses if only because it limits marathon gaming. Sitting in a chair for 4 or 5 hours playing FFXI will start to mess with my vision, and I can only imagine seeing it in 3-D would put that much more stress on my eyes. Still an interesting concept though.
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I can't imagine many people going for the 3-D glasses if only because it limits marathon gaming.


That is true

I am, however, really interested in switching it on for some of the cooler cutscenes (b'.')b
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I think the technology used with these glasses is:

If you were looking at a screen with 60 frames per second. 30 frames will be for your left eye & 30 frames will be for your right eye. The frames alternate left,right,left,right,left,... When a frame for the left eye is shown, your glasses will block the view for your right eye and when a frame for the right eye is shown, your glasses will block the view for your left eye.

If you don't use those glasses you'll see double.

Also note that even if the display is set to 60 fps, your eyes will only see 30 fps each. Display has to be increased to 120 fps if you want to see 60 fps with each eye.

Edited, Jun 16th 2010 8:12pm by RedGalka
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I kinda wonder how 3D in a mmo will work when it comes down to lag. Say we are going to a major hub. Think about the Juno AH back in the prime of FFXI. Now those on a pc would often slow down, get screen freezes, etc. How well does the 3D system handle slow downs that hit from time to time? Does the game flash between 3D to 2D because of this?

I like a good movie in 3D and all, but until they make glasses that dont give people eye strain, or a bad headache after hours of use, I think I'll be passing for now.

Speaking of 3D, it seems the industry is really pushing 3D lately. (Entertainment as a whole, not just games) Am I the only one who remembers the old glasses that the Sega master system had? They were shutter Technology, not red and blue, and that was back in the 80's. Sadly they only had a few games they worked on back then like Maze hunter.
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#22 Jun 16 2010 at 12:51 PM Rating: Decent
Hmm, I think him and the cute translator girl are getting kind of close!
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Hmm, I think him and the cute translator girl are getting kind of close!


What we weren't told is that Tanaka's 3D glasses are actually X-ray specs Smiley: grin
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digitalcraft, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Hmm, I think him and the cute translator girl are getting kind of close!


What we weren't told is that Tanaka's 3D glasses are actually X-ray specs Smiley: grin


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This 3d tech takes 120hz monitor doesn't it as well?
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Seems like no one in here has this technology yet so let me clarify stuff. The 3D Vision Discover mode is Anaglyph only (Red/Blue) and can work on any monitor as long as you got the neccesary computational power and operating system. 3D vision (the main one) requires some VERY specific glasses and monitors. You need a duo input capable monitor which accepts and outputs in 120hz. This is very different then the TV stuff including even some of the select "3D ready" TVs. I think currently only the Mitsubishi DLP and new 120hz LCD from mitsubishi can use the Nvidia Vision tech. You can also use two projector setup as well if you want, otherwise you need some very specific 3D monitors. You also need Vista or Windows 7, it will NOT run on XP.

Basically you need a $200 Nvidia 3D vision kit (comes with one pair of glasses and each additional pair is $150, that's what is being sold in that shop) a 3D ready monitor designed around shutter glasses (another $300-400) and a decent graphics card (I am flabbergasted how they are able to pull off 3D on three monitors, that thing must be playing at 10FPS even with a SLI setup). You also need a decent CPU but its lower on the priority next to the GPU. Oh and it also must be Nvidia based, ATI won't work on 3D vision.

Now there are also several other 3D based stuff out there other then the Nvidia stuff. There is polorized technology but that too requires a very specific monitor. In fact it's so specific there is only like 3 of them out there. Furthermore it's lower level version of the polarized effect that is often seen at theaters. The images bleed into each other occasionally and it can be very jarring. Nvidia tech does not have this issue if everything is working properly, however, it does have a dimming effect. Most the time the monitor brightens up to compensate but it can be very noticiable.

I love my Nvidia Glasses and look forward to being able to do 3D, but it's not for everyone. If they can get it running on the PS3 then better and more cost efficient options will become availible. The new 3D TV's are bit expensive right now but they are also the best TV's in the 2D world by a good margin so if you don't like 3D, just get those TV's anyways and you will get a good TV + added 3D support if you feel like doing it down the line. The glasses on 3D ready TV's are also a lot less expensive (still expensive but no where close to 150) so it's a more managable if you need to buy more then one pair.
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after reading the replies it's become obvious this ISN'T a "happy friday" thread....

WTF.

Really? Well it's fine I guess to be there, I hate 3d though, it always feels gimmicky (yes even in Avatar) and will take development time away from the rest of the game. I don't have to use it though, which is nice because I won't.
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will take development time away from the rest of the game.


You're a tool. It's a feature from Nvidia, SE has had almost nothing to do with this.

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Ugg, so much confusion from you guys about 3D. The red/blue method (or sometimes purple/yellow) should not even be brought up (this is very old crappy technology), because by using colors to separate which eye sees what image, the final image that the user sees will lack almost all color.

Method 1 (LC Shutter glasses):

This is the method that they are using in the video, which is using LC (Liquid Crystal) shutter glasses, which will work on any modern computer monitor on most modern video cards, for any game using Direct-3D. Monitors/video cards that support a high refresh rate will work better and there will be less noticeable flicker. The glasses will cost at least around $100.

Method 2 (Polarized glasses with a special 3D TV)

This method requires a 3D TV that can output alternating images with alternating polarizations. Polarized glasses are used such that the user sees a different image with each eye as the display quickly changes images and polarizations. This requires a TV that probably costs over $1000, but then can use glasses that only cost a few bucks each.

My bet is that FFXIV will be designed to handle either of these 2 methods. It seems like the new PS3 will support method 2 for future games.
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Ugg, so much confusion from you guys about 3D. The red/blue method (or sometimes purple/yellow) should not even be brought up (this is very old crappy technology), because by using colors to separate which eye sees what image, the final image that the user sees will lack almost all color.

Method 1 (LC Shutter glasses):

This is the method that they are using in the video, which is using LC (Liquid Crystal) shutter glasses, which will work on any modern computer monitor on most modern video cards, for any game using Direct-3D. Monitors/video cards that support a high refresh rate will work better and there will be less noticeable flicker. The glasses will cost at least around $100.

Method 2 (Polarized glasses with a special 3D TV)

This method requires a 3D TV that can output alternating images with alternating polarizations. Polarized glasses are used such that the user sees a different image with each eye as the display quickly changes images and polarizations. This requires a TV that probably costs over $1000, but then can use glasses that only cost a few bucks each.

My bet is that FFXIV will be designed to handle either of these 2 methods. It seems like the new PS3 will support method 2 for future games.


This info is not correct. All 3D TV's out there on the market currently are in fact using Shutter technology. Polarized technology is very hard to do from a front projection system and works best when mirrored off a special stabilizing screen (the silver screen used in theaters). There are a couple polorized based 3D technology for computers but it utilizes a very special screen, and depending on the manufacturer, can actually make an image suck in 2D. All 3D TV's on the market use shutter technology and all glasses cost anywhere from 75 to 200 dollars depending on the brand.

Also, all current shutter technology (the new shutter technology) will not accept ANY monitor that has less then 100Hz input and output specialization. There is some older shutter stuff that worked in 60hz but it made it so you only got 3D effect at 30fps and it made the effect jarring so few even use that as a source. I don't think the red and blue technology should be used to demonstrate 3D but it IS an option using the Nvidia 3D vision drivers.

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**** yeah. Least Crysta Currency is not something to be worried about.


This x 10!

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So wasn't that their plan for FFXI?

And didn't it fail?


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I wouldn't say failed... just a little to late imo..
atleast they plan to nip rmt in the bud from the get go.
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What Croythegreat is saying is correct. Shutter 3D glasses must be used with a compatible monitor. Nvidia has a page listing compatible monitors and Sony and Samsung 3D TVs use Shutter Glasses, battery powered ones.

Stereoscopic 3D is simply a term for any method of creating a 3D picture. Anaglyph (think red and blue glasses) is the oldest method and can be used with any monitor but it dramatically effects color and is not as effective as Shutter or Polarized. It sucks if it is your only option you might as well simply not use it.

A firmware update for the PS3 will bring Shutter Glasses compatibility to it as long as you have a 3D capable TV. Blitz Gaming Studio worked with Sony on the firmware and their literature also mentions using Anaglyph as a backup if you don't have the compatible TV but then what's the point.

If you saw a movie in 3d and have a pair of glasses with grey lenses the movie uses Polarized method not the old Anaglyph. Shutter requires the glasses to be powered either a cable or small battery.

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What Croythegreat is saying is correct. Shutter 3D glasses must be used with a compatible monitor. Nvidia has a page listing compatible monitors and Sony and Samsung 3D TVs use Shutter Glasses, battery powered ones.

Stereoscopic 3D is simply a term for any method of creating a 3D picture. Anaglyph (think red and blue glasses) is the oldest method and can be used with any monitor but it dramatically effects color and is not as effective as Shutter or Polarized. It sucks if it is your only option you might as well simply not use it.

A firmware update for the PS3 will bring Shutter Glasses compatibility to it as long as you have a 3D capable TV. Blitz Gaming Studio worked with Sony on the firmware and their literature also mentions using Anaglyph as a backup if you don't have the compatible TV but then what's the point.

If you saw a movie in 3d and have a pair of glasses with grey lenses the movie uses Polarized method not the old Anaglyph. Shutter requires the glasses to be powered either a cable or small battery.

Edited, Jun 17th 2010 12:50am by kgav


I bow to your superior wisdom on this info, I know nothing lol. The 3d Tv's cost a little much for me to want to buy one though but you say ps3's will eb compatible with an update? hmm, might have to start looking into this to see if it would be worth the investment to buy one of thoes.. but with the glasses themselves costing up to 200$ per pair.. would end up spending quite a bit extra if you had company over to watch 3d tv, or play druken 3d video games. Eventually though.. would be cool (extremly expensive), have a room in your house set up with surround sound and 3 walls that are preety much giant screens, (4 walls could be used with projector screens), in all 3d.. but that jsut me day dreaming.
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If 3D in FFXIV becomes a reality, I will definitely be shopping for some new monitors and 3D Glasses. I know at least that my current PC will be more than capable of running the game, so I think I might spend the money I had saved up for a PC upgrade on those instead :P
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The two common (and actually affordable) stereo 3D technologies are:

Red/Blue Anaglyph glasses. The two stereo images are displayed in red and blue and the colored lenses only allow each eye to see one stereo image.

LCD shutter glasses. These consist of a pair of glasses with LCD shutters for each eye lens which are synced to the refresh rate of the monitor. These have been around for a loooong time although it is only recently that LCD monitors have supported a refresh rate high enough to work with them. They've been in use on CRT monitors for decades. I used to have a pair of Revelator glasses for my old Nvidia TNT2 back in 1999. The way these work is that the monitor alternates the left and right stereo images and the glasses make sure each eye only sees the appropriate image. In order to display a flicker free image the monitor must support a refresh rate of 100hz or higher.

Note that not all "120Hz" LCD displays can display 3D images. Although adding this functionality should technically not add much additional cost to the monitor (in practice they gouge for what is really a few extra $$ in components added to a normal 120hz LCD display)


Also my old Revelators cost around $40 and they're charging over $100 for these new glasses which are basically the same thing.



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I was planning on buying one or two of these monitors, as well as these glasses. These are nowhere near as expensive as I thought they would be. Opinions?
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#40 Jun 19 2010 at 5:39 PM Rating: Decent
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i could care less about 3d
#41 Jun 19 2010 at 6:47 PM Rating: Good
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YoGix wrote:
i could care less about 3d


So you are saying that you sort-of care about 3D then.

Edited, Jun 19th 2010 9:52pm by Lobivopis
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#42 Jun 19 2010 at 6:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Tubrudi wrote:
I was planning on buying one or two of these monitors, as well as these glasses. These are nowhere near as expensive as I thought they would be. Opinions?


Monitor price doesn't seem bad but **** they are REALLY gouging for LCD glasses these days. Back in the day they cost under $100. I guess it's because it's the new "up and coming" thing so they're charging a premium for "cutting edge" (actually decades old) technology.
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Final Fantasy XI 12-14-11 Update wrote:
Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#43 Jun 19 2010 at 6:52 PM Rating: Decent
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So you are saying that you sort-of care about 3D then.


Maybe if i had a brand new Sony Bravia 3D Tv
#44 Jun 19 2010 at 10:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Lobivopis wrote:
Tubrudi wrote:
I was planning on buying one or two of these monitors, as well as these glasses. These are nowhere near as expensive as I thought they would be. Opinions?


Monitor price doesn't seem bad but **** they are REALLY gouging for LCD glasses these days. Back in the day they cost under $100. I guess it's because it's the new "up and coming" thing so they're charging a premium for "cutting edge" (actually decades old) technology.


Yeah, companies are really milking this whole 3D fiasco. I do like the use of 3D in gaming though, it really makes things feel more real. I think I'll shop around, see if there are any other manufacturers out there not as expensive as Nvidia.
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#45 Jun 20 2010 at 3:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Tubrudi wrote:
Lobivopis wrote:
Tubrudi wrote:
I was planning on buying one or two of these monitors, as well as these glasses. These are nowhere near as expensive as I thought they would be. Opinions?


Monitor price doesn't seem bad but **** they are REALLY gouging for LCD glasses these days. Back in the day they cost under $100. I guess it's because it's the new "up and coming" thing so they're charging a premium for "cutting edge" (actually decades old) technology.


Yeah, companies are really milking this whole 3D fiasco. I do like the use of 3D in gaming though, it really makes things feel more real. I think I'll shop around, see if there are any other manufacturers out there not as expensive as Nvidia.


Even the 3D capable monitors shouldn't cost as much over a regular 120Hz LCD as they do. Only a a few extra components are required to allow it to handle stereo images. The LCD panel is exactly the same and the electronics are almost identical. What they should be doing is making it a standard feature on 120hz displays instead of gouging for it.

Edited, Jun 20th 2010 7:00pm by Lobivopis
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Final Fantasy XI 12-14-11 Update wrote:
Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#46 Jun 20 2010 at 7:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Tubrudi wrote:
I was planning on buying one or two of these monitors, as well as these glasses. These are nowhere near as expensive as I thought they would be. Opinions?


Personally I would go for this one, given that it's 1920x1080 instead of 1650x1050.

http://configure.ap.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=nz&l=en&s=dhs&cs=nzdhs1&kc=&oc=T14AW2310NZ&~lt=alienware

Also I can't wait for Radeon to bring out their version of 3D.

Edited, Jun 21st 2010 1:23am by Greshark
#47 Jun 20 2010 at 11:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Greshark wrote:
Tubrudi wrote:
I was planning on buying one or two of these monitors, as well as these glasses. These are nowhere near as expensive as I thought they would be. Opinions?


Personally I would go for this one, given that it's 1920x1080 instead of 1650x1050.

http://configure.ap.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=nz&l=en&s=dhs&cs=nzdhs1&kc=&oc=T14AW2310NZ&~lt=alienware

Also I can't wait for Radeon to bring out their version of 3D.

Edited, Jun 21st 2010 1:23am by Greshark


ATI has supported 3D since Catalyst 10.3 Their version uses middleware supplied by the glasses manufacturer or direct support from the application.
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Final Fantasy XI 12-14-11 Update wrote:
Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#48 Jun 21 2010 at 5:02 AM Rating: Decent
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So you are saying that you sort-of care about 3D then.


This is like the third time this month on these forums I've seen someone fail to realize that, "I could care less," is a sarcastic figure of speech. Is this one of those new "smugly pedantic but actually wrong" fads, like when people thought they were being smart by saying things weren't ironic that people were calling ironic, even though they were usually, in fact, ironic?

Unless you were being cute, which I tend to doubt.
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#49 Jun 21 2010 at 8:29 AM Rating: Decent
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So you are saying that you sort-of care about 3D then.


This is like the third time this month on these forums I've seen someone fail to realize that, "I could care less," is a sarcastic figure of speech. Is this one of those new "smugly pedantic but actually wrong" fads, like when people thought they were being smart by saying things weren't ironic that people were calling ironic, even though they were usually, in fact, ironic?

Unless you were being cute, which I tend to doubt.


I don't know if "cute" is the word I'd use, but it's obvious they're aware of the figure of speech and are just poking a little fun.
#50 Jun 21 2010 at 7:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Ugg, so much confusion from you guys about 3D. The red/blue method (or sometimes purple/yellow) should not even be brought up (this is very old crappy technology), because by using colors to separate which eye sees what image, the final image that the user sees will lack almost all color.

Method 1 (LC Shutter glasses):

This is the method that they are using in the video, which is using LC (Liquid Crystal) shutter glasses, which will work on any modern computer monitor on most modern video cards, for any game using Direct-3D. Monitors/video cards that support a high refresh rate will work better and there will be less noticeable flicker. The glasses will cost at least around $100.

Method 2 (Polarized glasses with a special 3D TV)

This method requires a 3D TV that can output alternating images with alternating polarizations. Polarized glasses are used such that the user sees a different image with each eye as the display quickly changes images and polarizations. This requires a TV that probably costs over $1000, but then can use glasses that only cost a few bucks each.

My bet is that FFXIV will be designed to handle either of these 2 methods. It seems like the new PS3 will support method 2 for future games.


This info is not correct. All 3D TV's out there on the market currently are in fact using Shutter technology. Polarized technology is very hard to do from a front projection system and works best when mirrored off a special stabilizing screen (the silver screen used in theaters). There are a couple polorized based 3D technology for computers but it utilizes a very special screen, and depending on the manufacturer, can actually make an image suck in 2D. All 3D TV's on the market use shutter technology and all glasses cost anywhere from 75 to 200 dollars depending on the brand.

Also, all current shutter technology (the new shutter technology) will not accept ANY monitor that has less then 100Hz input and output specialization. There is some older shutter stuff that worked in 60hz but it made it so you only got 3D effect at 30fps and it made the effect jarring so few even use that as a source. I don't think the red and blue technology should be used to demonstrate 3D but it IS an option using the Nvidia 3D vision drivers.



I didn't realize so many "3D-ready" HDTVs still rely on shutter technology.

Anyway, I did find that there is a computer Monitor that supports "Passive Stereoscopic 3D", which is where you just need polarized glasses to view stuff in 3D on it.

Check out this link:
http://www.iz3d.com/products

Anyone have any experience with this product?
#51 Jun 24 2010 at 5:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Also, all current shutter technology (the new shutter technology) will not accept ANY monitor that has less then 100Hz input and output specialization. There is some older shutter stuff that worked in 60hz but it made it so you only got 3D effect at 30fps and it made the effect jarring so few even use that as a source. I don't think the red and blue technology should be used to demonstrate 3D but it IS an option using the Nvidia 3D vision drivers.


Actually you don't have to use 120fps video input. HDMI 1.4 supports packed stereo frames and the monitor handles alternating the stereo images at 120hz.

So for example you can send a 24fps stereo video signal to a 3D capable monitor and it will handle alternating the frames at 120hz internally.



Edited, Jun 24th 2010 8:18am by Lobivopis
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Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
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