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#1 Jun 17 2010 at 9:19 PM Rating: Good
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http://pc.ign.com/articles/110/1100125p1.html

I was pretty curious about this article, largely because its negative and because its from a website that gets a huge amount of traffic.

They noted that the combat is slow, (and I assume at E3 they played the beta version of combat) and not only that but as slow as FF11. (They also didn't like the 3D) I find this particular since everyone seems to act like combat is much faster with the changes and while I've seen at least one gameplay video it didn't seem like the person was really playing it at the speed it could be played at in the demonstration. (But maybe I'm wrong?).

I think Final Fantasy 14's success (and I measure success by doing better than 11) depends on convincing gamers that FF 14 isn't just another FF 11 rehash. One of the largest criticisms of FF11 is the combat speed and if writers are still convinced it as slow as 11 I feel this could negatively impact 14's chances on the market. Theres also few articles out there really talking about FF14 especially compared to Old Republic(which will probably be coming out sometime near the time of FF14 I imagine).

What is everyone else's opinion about this?
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Its still in Beta. They have time to "fix" things if need be. The real question is if SE wants to make a game that appeals to the masses or a game that appeals to a much smaller group of people.
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It sounds like he spent 30 seconds playing and didn't see enough fireworks, and decided that the game stunk. The videos I saw looked pretty well paced. Guess we just have to wait and see how it all works out.

As for 3d, it doesn't matter to me, as I'll be on PS3.
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#4 Jun 17 2010 at 9:42 PM Rating: Good
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To be honest, IGN is one of the many gaming sites that live shoulder deep in Blizzard's colon. I have never seen an IGN review do any game by Square-Enix justice. It's the same with G4TV, and gamespy. It's for this (and a few other) reason that I don't look up game reviews anymore, especially not from IGN, G4TV and gamespy.

It is a shame the people will read the preview and base their decision off it, but thats how some people are, never giving anything new a chance.
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#5 Jun 17 2010 at 9:49 PM Rating: Decent
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To be honest, IGN is one of the many gaming sites that live shoulder deep in Blizzard's colon. I have never seen an IGN review do any game by Square-Enix justice. It's the same with G4TV, and gamespy.


This this and this.

We all know how the saying goes about opinions...

Go with what you've seen and know. That's really the only review that matters.
#6 Jun 17 2010 at 10:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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The compliments as criticisms were in equal portions, perfectly rational if not sometimes wholly opinionated.
C'mon folks, surely our community's collective skin isn't so thin we can't stand a little honest criticism?


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#7 Jun 17 2010 at 10:17 PM Rating: Good
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What is everyone else's opinion about this?


Not a glowing review, by any stretch, but I think it was objective enough. I understand why they noted certain things negatively, though fortunately, they don't ring the same way for me. I've seen the combat demo'd...if that's "very slow and methodical" then I guess I like my combat very slow and methodical, because it looked great to me.

I'd like to hear them qualify this particular statement though, which wasn't elaborated on:

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the preference for console was very apparent in the way the camera and character controlled, and the pacing of the combat.


They sort of left that one out there hanging, and I'm not sure what they're referring to.


PS: You have to just laugh at some of the inane comments on the IGN boards...people have such knee-jerk reactions there based on anything a reviewer states. "There's no jump?!?! I guess I won't play this game!" Or the inevitable person who complains that the game is an MMORPG, and not a single-player game. Heh...

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#8 Jun 17 2010 at 10:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't mind if it's slow as long as it's tactical. Chess is slow. But concerns that it won't be particularly tactical AND it will be slow are legitimate.
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#9 Jun 17 2010 at 10:38 PM Rating: Decent
Overall I would say it was an objective article. It doesn't have to be universally positive to be objective.

I found the note about 3D (that it may or may not be supported with the retail launch) to be interesting. Always nice to find snippets of news like that. And as someone who won't be in the market for a GTX480 any time soon, with or without 3D doesn't really affect me.

Based on the gametrailers video of the levequest with the crabs, I could see how the IGN reviewer would look upon the combat as being slow. Personally, I can see very clearly that the pace is a dramatic improvement over the alpha, and it also looked like there are still some bugs to be worked out. Not sure if anyone else noticed in the gametrailers video, but when they finished chasing the second crab and the guy narrating the video was talking about testing Phalanx, he stood there for a long time waiting for the crab to turn around and face him before he finally smacked it to make it re-engage. As far as the Thaumaturge casting delay, it could be something as simple as an absentee cast bar not giving a clear enough indication to the player that something is, in fact, happening.

A pre-beta client demo isn't enough to build an informed opinion about the game, but that doesn't necessarily mean the game is beyond criticism. It's the criticism that will drive the improvements moving towards retail. I like the new combat system from what I've seen of it and any opinion above and beyond that can't really be formed until I have a chance to play it myself.
#10 Jun 17 2010 at 10:42 PM Rating: Good
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Maybe it's just me, but it seemed like they had more good things than bad to say about XIV. A couple minor complaints that any reasonable person would have as well as a couple compliments that any reasonable person would have.

Didn't seem like they were taking the G4 route of "Find something we can make fun of and then devote 5 minutes to making fun of it" retardation.

Combat didn't seem that slow to me, but if they're comparing it to a button masher like many games are nowadays, then I guess one could see it that way. Personally, I'm sick of button mashers so if this is "Slow", then I welcome it.
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#11 Jun 17 2010 at 11:02 PM Rating: Decent
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#12 Jun 18 2010 at 1:21 AM Rating: Good
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digitalcraft, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation


That's all the game review you'll ever need.


Yahtzee doesn't really "review" games he just trolls.

But then he's a goon and that should tell you everything you need to know about him.
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#13 Jun 18 2010 at 8:11 AM Rating: Good
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was the video on gametrailers fighting the crabs, on the ps3 or was it being played on pc?
#14Puppy1, Posted: Jun 18 2010 at 9:01 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I never bother will reviews of games most of the time anyway, a few freinds and I talk about gaems we find intresting then suualy one us decide to buy it check it out and lend it to the otehres to see if its worth buying ourselves, or we trade in the crappy ones for credit for others after lending them of course. anyway more back to my point, I plan on getting the game no matter what people want to say about it and make up my own mind. And doing a review on beta and picking on its flaws publickly is just kinda stupid... Sure finding flaws in beta is good, that way they get fixed. Thats what the testers are for though. Not a see it for a few min and tell everybody it sucks because you personaly dont like it. I could rant for a while on this lol, but I'll save you all your sanity and stop here for now ;).
#15 Jun 18 2010 at 9:42 AM Rating: Good
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I've learned not to trust early impressions of RPGs, including my own. Most of them are dull and awkward until you get a few hours in.

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As for the 3D, it was nice but ultimately detrimental to the experience. The UI is flat and at the very front of the screen, making selecting enemies far away with an object that seems up-close not only confusing, but difficult.

That at least seems like an easy fix. They just need to apply the same depth effect to the cursor that they do to game models.

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#16 Jun 18 2010 at 10:58 AM Rating: Decent
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I found the preview 100% right on the money. I'll admit that IGN tends to cater to WoW, but this preview wasn't in anyway biased. Honestly if I could write this good, my review would be almost identical.
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Borkachev wrote:
I've learned not to trust early impressions of RPGs, including my own. Most of them are dull and awkward until you get a few hours in.


Or, in the case of FF13, until you get 15 hours in then put it down because you've finally had enough of it.

I hope that's not the route they're taking with 14...
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I've learned not to trust early impressions of RPGs, including my own. Most of them are dull and awkward until you get a few hours in.


Or, in the case of FF13, until you get 15 hours in then put it down because you've finally had enough of it.

I hope that's not the route they're taking with 14...


Oh please no.....
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#19 Jun 18 2010 at 11:59 AM Rating: Decent
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digitalcraft, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation


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Yahtzee doesn't really "review" games he just trolls.

But then he's a goon and that should tell you everything you need to know about him.



And he has me falling out of my floor laughing, it is awesome. He actually does do fair criticism, I agree with him on most of his points. If anyone takes his criticism personally, well thats your own problem. He's done a couple of games I absolutely love and I do agree with most of what he says. Well except the whole JP RPG thing, not his style, I like them, but I do love his lampooning of the genre, it's pretty right on.

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digitalcraft, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Lobivopis wrote:
digitalcraft, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation


That's all the game review you'll ever need.


Yahtzee doesn't really "review" games he just trolls.

But then he's a goon and that should tell you everything you need to know about him.



And he has me falling out of my floor laughing, it is awesome. He actually does do fair criticism, I agree with him on most of his points. If anyone takes his criticism personally, well thats your own problem. He's done a couple of games I absolutely love and I do agree with most of what he says. Well except the whole JP RPG thing, not his style, I like them, but I do love his lampooning of the genre, it's pretty right on.

Edited, Jun 18th 2010 11:00am by digitalcraft


Never heard of that site before yesterday. Watched a couple vids while lying in bed last night. Hilarious. Especially the comments about Fallout 3 and Oblivion. You cast an extremely popular voice actor (Patrick Stewart, Liam Neeson) as a major role as the first person you meet in the game that talks to you, and then some dumb **** happens before the "tutorial level" is even over that results in them not being around very much after that).

Watched the reviews on the games I'm familiar with; and while I feel they all have their good and bad points, I felt this guy did a pretty funny job of mocking the bad ones. I found myself thinking "I never really thought about it that way, but he has a point..." quite a bit.

Granted, I couldn't take the site seriously as a "source for game reviews" because I could lop off a thumb and still have enough on one hand to count the number of good things said. Still pretty funny though. People need to not get so upset over criticism.
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I saw nothing that really stood out as unwarranted criticism from this article, except this point made me 'what the'.
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Combat seemed to be very slow and methodical, much like XI, but with a much cleaner user interface.
Well.. I'm not sure what resolution they played FFXI in but you can't get a much cleaner user interface than it... I've never seen an MMO with such an uncluttered UI. I'm don't know what they're trying to say with saying its cleaner.

Also as others have said before, if this combat is 'slow and methodical' then ****, I've been playing some slooow games.
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To be honest I'm a little concerned with what the article said.

The way he explained the combat was you pressed a button and had to wait a few seconds to have that action take place. I absolutely hate that. I was actually looking forward to the combat as it looks like it can be very skill oriented...I certainly hope they fix this because there's nothing worse than waiting around for your character to respond to you as it makes the game seem laggy, even though it isn't.

I didn't think the article overall was negative though. I think he was honest...which some FFXI players fail to exhibit in their unflinching loyalty to SE. Don't get me wrong, I love FF and SE, it's just they do some really stupid things sometimes.
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I assume since he was playing a caster class he was casting the spell during those few seconds but for some reason didn't see the casting bar and thought that the game lagged. Melee classes were pretty responsive from what it looked like, since their attacks do not have a casting time.
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I assume since he was playing a caster class he was casting the spell during those few seconds but for some reason didn't see the casting bar and thought that the game lagged. Melee classes were pretty responsive from what it looked like, since their attacks do not have a casting time.


I dunno, that's a rather noobish mistake to make. Think I'll have to watch the videos over again to see what is going on...but you can't really tell for sure since you don't see when the person is pressing a button.
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Well it would definitely make the most sense. Perhaps there is no casting bar since the devs had to rush this thing out of the door in time for E3? Really, I wouldn't be worried because of it.
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I'd have to agree with Hyan. If it took "a few seconds" to attack again, it was likely due to casting times. I think at most, the new stamina gauge takes two seconds to allow continued usage of most attacks. A few seconds is what you deal with in the alpha, and the new system is definitely quicker.

Currently the combat has far bigger concerns than the pacing of battle (alpha wasn't even necessarily so much slow as it was boring and poorly implemented). A lot remains unfinished, but I think I'm going to reserve further feedback until I play the beta.
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I know! OP links to a derogatory post for FFIV and we rate down like mad.... OP Rate up for posting.

Everyone else... Who gives a crap. If the content is slow, it's slow for whoever reviewed it. If they don't like it, oh well!

Seriously? Defaulting the OP for sharing news? WTF! I thought we were a better community than that.
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#28 Jun 18 2010 at 5:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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I know! OP links to a derogatory post for FFIV and we rate down like mad.... OP Rate up for posting.

Everyone else... Who gives a crap. If the content is slow, it's slow for whoever reviewed it. If they don't like it, oh well!

Seriously? Defaulting the OP for sharing news? WTF! I thought we were a better community than that.


Funny thing is, it wasn't even a derogatory article. It was an objective article that pointed out some concerns of the reviewer. Beta hasn't even started and we're already starting to see the knee-jerk defensive fanboism... Smiley: oyvey
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Funny thing is, it wasn't even a derogatory article. It was an objective article that pointed out some concerns of the reviewer. Beta hasn't even started and we're already starting to see the knee-jerk defensive fanboism... Smiley: oyvey


^ I second this.

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Who gives a crap. If the content is slow, it's slow for whoever reviewed it. If they don't like it, oh well!


I give a crap. I don't want to get excited to play a game that everyone tries and quits, leaving me in a ghost town just to go play another blizzard game. It needs to be fast,flashy, and appealing to more people. It's an MMO, if I wanted to run around by myself somewhere I'd play some sh*tty console game. This " derogatory post " and others like it will hopefully set a fire under Tanaka's a$$ and get some positive changes coming.

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#30 Jun 18 2010 at 7:43 PM Rating: Good
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I give a crap. I don't want to get excited to play a game that everyone tries and quits, leaving me in a ghost town just to go play another blizzard game. It needs to be fast,flashy, and appealing to more people. It's an MMO, if I wanted to run around by myself somewhere I'd play some sh*tty console game. This " derogatory post " and others like it will hopefully set a fire under Tanaka's a$$ and get some positive changes coming.

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It's a SE game, and one that's following a generally well-received game. It ought to do just fine, regardless of whether or not some take issue with the pacing. It's unlikely that it will be slower than FFXI, and that game succeeded. So I'm not worried.

Like I said before, I like the speed as currently being demo'd. Seems perfect to me. There is a segment of the population that can find fault in any single aspect of the game. SE has the difficult task of weighing the pros & cons of any such changes. Make the game "fast, flashy, and appealing to more people", and you might say, risk making the game lose its long-term appeal. Or it might make it lose its uniqueness. I'm not saying this is guaranteed to be the case...just cautioning that a knee-jerk reaction to any negative criticism can be a very harmful thing, even if the changes are positively received.

I'm seeing PLENTY of progress as this game moves from alpha to beta, and I'm happy with how they're responding to feedback. I'm confident that it'll continue, so I'd rather see them work with the system that's in place, rather than overreact to any one review.

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#31 Jun 18 2010 at 7:53 PM Rating: Good
I have to agree that the fanboi-kneejerking is a little over the top. It's not going to be everyone's cup-o-tea and that's fine, calm down, it's not an affront to your honor.
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It's a SE game, and one that's following a generally well-received game. It ought to do just fine, regardless of whether or not some take issue with the pacing. It's unlikely that it will be slower than FFXI, and that game succeeded. So I'm not worried.


Well I do wonder some times if FFXI would have succeeded at all if it had been released later on. Some things are an acquired taste and I wonder if a "generation" of players who were weened on WoW would really be able to take the time to appreciate the rewards of FFXI. Much easier to come from another "grindy"/slow paced game like EQ and appreciate the nuances of FFXI than to come from a fast paced game like WOW/WAR/AOC/AION/etc.

If FFXIV is mainly meant to recapture the appeal of FFXI while moving it into the 21st century then I don't think they need to worry about the pace. If they do want to appeal to a wider audience though then I wonder how they will get people to bridge that mental chasm between "this is slow and boring" until the moment when it starts to make sense. It seems like maybe they're keeping it "slow" in order to facilitate some of the party tactics, but if people play solo a lot, are they going to even know or appreciate that aspect of the game?

I'm definitely not ready to be alarmed yet, and the pace of combat looks fine to me, but I do wonder whether every one who is coming in fresh without having played or enjoyed FFXI will feel the same way.
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I wouldn't call it 'fanboyism'. The fact that a preview was written about a game in beta was an absolutely stupid move on IGN's part. This preview isn't going to attract players to the game, its going to keep people from even trying it. That is the main problem. People will read the review, they will read the negative and not realize that this game isn't even through beta yet. The article doesn't even give the game a chance outside of its graphics. They go straight to the 'THERE'S NOT EVEN A JUMP FUNCTION' argument. They talk bad about the 3D functionality even though its not even a vital part of the game. Why aren't they giving SE points for trying to make 3D working especially on an MMORPG (It's never even been attempted in a MMO before).

The preview doesn't cover any of the character customization, or even how characters grow/level up.

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Uh, wtf?! I played FFXI on both PS2 and PC and I never once thought it favored one platform over the other. Yes they compliment SE's attention to graphics, but overall I saw a bias against SE in the article.

I'm not a SE fanboy, I play WoW, and alot of other games. But I do want previewers/reviewers to be unbiased, it is their job after all, to provide a thourough recount of their experiences no matter what company produced the game. Review the game as if you have no knowledge of who created it, be fair, and be smart. I've seen Mass Effect 1 get amazing reviews regardless of its absolutely horrible texture lag, and yet I've also seen a game get docked close to 2/10 points for having even minor texture lag. It just doesn't make sense to me.

I don't know, that's just my opinion.
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I know! OP links to a derogatory post for FFIV and we rate down like mad.... OP Rate up for posting.

Everyone else... Who gives a crap. If the content is slow, it's slow for whoever reviewed it. If they don't like it, oh well!

Seriously? Defaulting the OP for sharing news? WTF! I thought we were a better community than that.


I would like to clarify something..I played Final fantasy 11 for 4 years and I am definitely going to be playing 14, regardless of this article.

However, I have friends who played 11 and quit during the process. Alot of them disliked the pacing of the game and its a very common criticism overall for 11. (And I won't risk starting a flame war by explaining their criticism in detail) With that said I find this article important.

Secondly, I noticed every post had an extremely positive review. I read one on the website that said the 3d was amazing, but as for those who have read this article the OP had a different point view. Same with pacing, everywhere I read it seemed people were saying the pacing was 'much faster' but I read this article and saw 'Same as FF11'??? Everyone was saying Alpha was 'same' as FF11. So I thought this article would be interesting to share with the community as it gives a different perspective to everything else out there.

As everyone has said the article is 'objective' but nevertheless I stand by the word 'negative' as its the feeling I get after reading it.

I am curious if 'haste' will have an affect on the stamina gauge or not too. As it was essential in FF13 , maybe it will make the game pace better in 14?

And I think Final Fantasy 11 would have seriously not done as well if WoW came before it. With that said I think Old Republic is very important and Square Enix will be directly competing with them for players (Probably more than WoW since many of these people are not about to drop their game). Just because FFXI has 500,000 some odd players doesn't mean SE will get a free 500,000 going into 14...
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I wouldn't call it 'fanboyism'. The fact that a preview was written about a game in beta was an absolutely stupid move on IGN's part. This preview isn't going to attract players to the game, its going to keep people from even trying it.


If you show it at E3, it's fair game to be reported on.


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I'm definitely not ready to be alarmed yet, and the pace of combat looks fine to me, but I do wonder whether every one who is coming in fresh without having played or enjoyed FFXI will feel the same way.



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You know, reading other news outlets, I have to say that's probably not a problem. The reception outside the fandom is lukewarm, at best. ****, the reception inside the fandom doesn't present a united front either. It seems there's just as many folks cooing as there are spitting out the word "XI-2" like a curse.*


*which is an especially annoying dig because it would be oh so easy to type a retort pointing out the error in making grand sweeping assumptions of game design based on art. But, I tend to agree the aesthetic similarities are creeping past my tasteful limits of homage. Exactly how much comfort do they think XI players need? We're not startled deer for god's sake.




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#36 Jun 18 2010 at 10:35 PM Rating: Good
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I am curious if 'haste' will have an affect on the stamina gauge or not too. As it was essential in FF13 , maybe it will make the game pace better in 14?


Well there is no auto attack in FFXIV, so either it affects stamina, or melee classes will have limited use for it.
#37 Jun 18 2010 at 10:58 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm pretty sure they're the ones who had the article when FFXI was new about how horrible the game was because they couldn't figure out how to get through POL and make content IDs, with no details at all about the actual game.
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I wouldn't call it 'fanboyism'. The fact that a preview was written about a game in beta was an absolutely stupid move on IGN's part. This preview isn't going to attract players to the game, its going to keep people from even trying it. That is the main problem. People will read the review, they will read the negative and not realize that this game isn't even through beta yet. The article doesn't even give the game a chance outside of its graphics. They go straight to the 'THERE'S NOT EVEN A JUMP FUNCTION' argument. They talk bad about the 3D functionality even though its not even a vital part of the game. Why aren't they giving SE points for trying to make 3D working especially on an MMORPG (It's never even been attempted in a MMO before).

The preview doesn't cover any of the character customization, or even how characters grow/level up.


I think you're looking for far more than what this article is supposed to provide. This isn't a full on preview of the game, and it's not meant to be. It's impressions based on what was shown of an unfinished game in beta phase (which was noted in the title, and the first paragraph), and it's certainly fair game to be reported on, as is every game presented at the show. Of course they're not going to mention how characters grow/level up based on their E3 impressions, they surely did not have the time to explore details like that.

I thought it was objective personally, but even if it was negative, I wouldn't see much of a problem with it. There are going to be people who like the game and certain aspects of it, and there will be people that won't. Neither is more or less deserving of their opinion. I think criticism probably helps more than praise at this stage actually, while there's still time to change things that people find fault in.
#39 Jun 19 2010 at 6:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Massively posted a Hands-On with XIV too:

http://www.massively.com/2010/06/18/e3-2010-hands-on-with-final-fantasy-xiv/
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#40 Jun 19 2010 at 12:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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I wouldn't call it 'fanboyism'. The fact that a preview was written about a game in beta was an absolutely stupid move on IGN's part.

Well, they can't really do a preview on a game that's already out.

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This preview isn't going to attract players to the game, its going to keep people from even trying it. That is the main problem. People will read the review, they will read the negative and not realize that this game isn't even through beta yet.

Sites that treat previews as advertisements for upcoming games are rightly criticized. Unfinished games deserve a little more leeway, but it's completely appropriate for a preview to criticize things the writer sees as a problem. It's even more important than doing it in a review, because at this stage the problems can be fixed.

If people don't understand the difference between a review and a preview and write off a game because of that, that's really their problem.

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Uh, wtf?! I played FFXI on both PS2 and PC and I never once thought it favored one platform over the other.

Man, FFXI had a pretty bad PC port from the start. It never ran smoothly on even the best PCs, it had limited configuration options, and the interface wasn't adjusted in the slightest to work on PC. Mouse support was a joke. I sure hope SE has taken some of these criticisms to heart.
#41 Jun 19 2010 at 12:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Man, FFXI had a pretty bad PC port from the start. It never ran smoothly on even the best PCs, it had limited configuration options, and the interface wasn't adjusted in the slightest to work on PC. Mouse support was a joke. I sure hope SE has taken some of these criticisms to heart.


I can't say I agree on the performance issue. Yes, XI at NA release was very demanding, but I think it was back then the same as XIV is now...it's just really demanding. In fairness, SE has had difficulty with ports from console -> PC in the past, but given that XIV isn't a port, that should alleviate some of the issues.

As for the configuration/customization, interface, and especially mouse support, I wholeheartedly agree with you. For XIV, I will expect to see the mouse function properly, not the sluggish response from XI (which apparently is also present in XIV). Keyboard + mouse controls is the norm for PC based MMOs these days. Also, I'd prefer to see strafe buttons as opposed to the time-worn idea of having to lock on to a target and than strafe a radius around them. I couldn't imagine tanking with the ability to strafe, especially in a game that considers position of mobs relative to you in determining how much of a beating you take.
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Man, FFXI had a pretty bad PC port from the start. It never ran smoothly on even the best PCs, it had limited configuration options, and the interface wasn't adjusted in the slightest to work on PC. Mouse support was a joke. I sure hope SE has taken some of these criticisms to heart.


With regedit the game looked 100x better than PS2. You didn't need a mouse to play FFXI. I thought that was great. Clickers are noobs anyway, lol.

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#43 Jun 19 2010 at 1:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Man, FFXI had a pretty bad PC port from the start. It never ran smoothly on even the best PCs, it had limited configuration options, and the interface wasn't adjusted in the slightest to work on PC. Mouse support was a joke. I sure hope SE has taken some of these criticisms to heart.


With regedit the game looked 100x better than PS2. You didn't need a mouse to play FFXI. I thought that was great. Clickers are noobs anyway, lol.


The mouse isn't "supposed" to be used for activating skills. It's used for navigation, and it's superior to keyboard only in almost every way. It just requires that the mouse be as responsive in the game as it is on your desktop, which it was not in XI and is still not in XIV.
#44Mictam, Posted: Jun 19 2010 at 2:59 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I would hardly call that a report.
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They mentioned it was Beta in the opening paragraph and kept referring to it as a "demo", we weren't improperly mislead to believe it was a comprehensive review of the finished game in the least. I'm not exactly an IGN fan either, but I think that article was fine.

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#46 Jun 19 2010 at 3:45 PM Rating: Decent
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G4 on the other hand...
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#47 Jun 19 2010 at 4:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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I would hardly call that a report.
And I'm not saying it shouldn't have been reported on, but if you are going to report on something that isn't in beta yet, let your audience know that the game still has a long way to go before it is sent to the store shelves. In the entire article they mention it being beta only 2 times. And most previews are actually previewing an 'almost final' version of the game. Everyone knows alot of changes for the better occur during the beta phase, at least I hope the readers of that article do.

"Hey I tried to play this game at the SE booth, I only got about 30seconds and I didn't really know how to play. Here's what I think about it. I know it has a ton of personal opinion in it, and it really doesn't cover 2% of the known information about the game, but I thought that you might want to publish it?"

This E3 wasn't closed to the public was it? I'm beginning to think IGN just lets anyone off the street write articles for them.

Maybe I'm being too harsh because I absolutely despise IGN...but you know what they say...fight fire with fire. Ha.


Gaming sites regularly report on 5 minute play sessions for games during a show like E3. Check the rest of IGN, or Gamespot, or any top gaming web site, and you'll find plenty of other hands-on impressions. You can most likely find impressions based on nothing but a trailer at times as well. This little hands-on impression article isn't anything out of the ordinary. The largest public gaming show of the year just occurred, and people want impressions. They want to hear about the new games people got to play, the new trailers that were released, and newly announced information. This is just one hands on impression among dozens (hundreds?) floating around on gaming sites this week.

As for letting people know that the game isn't finished, I don't know how it could possibly be made more clear without being redundant. Aside from mentioning that the game was in beta phase, and that certain features (3D) may be changed before launched, and constantly calling it a "demo," the fact that the game was even presented at E3 implies that the game isn't finished yet. No gaming site is going to put some huge disclaimer on every single game at the show that says "This game isn't the final product, things may change before release, etc. etc." It's implied, common sense, and it goes for every single game at the show.



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