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#1 Jun 22 2010 at 12:23 AM Rating: Good
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So I'm gonna need to upgrade my graphics card on my PC in order to properly play FFXIV. The problem is, I've never upgraded a graphics card before without just buying a whole new computer, so I'm pretty much a complete n00b on the subject... I've picked the card that I want:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130550

I guess my biggest question, before I spend the money on it is, will it even work on my computer? Do I have the proper slots to plug it into? Will it fit? will it work correctly with the rest of my setup with no other upgrades/adjustments? Again, since I am a complete noob, I have no idea how to answer these questions for myself, so I'm asking you for help!

I dont know how to figure out what kind of motherboard I have, so let me just show you what I've got. This is a Gateway 530FX pc and is about 3 years old:

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Processor(2)Intel #6f2, 2130 MHz
266MHz external bus

BIOSIntel Corp. LA97510J.15A.0255.2007.0109.1523 01/09/2007

Memory 2048MB physical
90% free resources
4 memory slots, 2 free (1024+0+1024+0)

Video Graphics Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 7950 GT
Screen Area/Colors: 1680x1050 pixels, 16 million colors
Monitor: Generic PnP Monitor (DPMS)

Drives C:\ (NTFS) 467853MB total, 188271MB free
D:\ (NTFS) 9083MB total, 4451MB free
E:\ CD-ROM/CD-RW or DVD Drive
F:\ CD-ROM/CD-RW or DVD Drive
G:\ Removable
H:\ Removable
I:\ Removable
J:\ Removable
K:\ CD-ROM/CD-RW or DVD Drive
L:\ CD-ROM/CD-RW or DVD Drive
M:\ CD-ROM/CD-RW or DVD Drive

1394Texas Instruments OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller (6/21/2006)

PortsIntel Active Management Technology - SOL (COM4) (9/6/2006)
Printer Port (LPT1) (6/21/2006)
Communications Port (COM1) (6/21/2006)

ScsiadapterIntel 82801GR/GH SATA RAID Controller (10/31/2006)
MagicISO SCSI Host Controller (6/21/2006)
Microsoft iSCSI Initiator (6/21/2006)

SystemIntel Quick Resume Technology Driver (12/4/2006)
Intel Active Management Technology - KCS (10/19/2006)
Intel 82801 PCI Bridge - 244E (9/15/2006)
Intel 975X Memory Controller Hub - 277C (9/15/2006)
Intel 975X PCI Express Root Port - 277D (9/15/2006)
Intel 82801GH (ICH7DH) LPC Interface Controller - 27B0 (9/15/2006)
Intel 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Root Port - 27D0 (9/15/2006)
Intel 82801G (ICH7 Family) SMBus Controller - 27DA (9/15/2006)
Intel 82801GR/GH/GHM (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Root Port - 27E0 (9/15/2006)
Intel 82801GR/GH/GHM (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Root Port - 27E2 (9/15/2006)
Intel software driver for Intel Viiv technology (9/6/2006)
Microsoft ACPI-Compliant System (6/21/2006)
Microsoft Composite Battery (6/21/2006)
Microsoft UMBus Root Bus Enumerator (6/21/2006)
ACPI Sleep Button (6/21/2006)
Microsoft System Management BIOS Driver (6/21/2006)
ACPI x86-based PC (6/21/2006)

Universal Serial Bus (USB)Intel 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB Universal Host Controller - 27C8 (6/21/2006)
Intel 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB Universal Host Controller - 27C9 (6/21/2006)
Intel 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB Universal Host Controller - 27CA (6/21/2006)
Intel 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB Universal Host Controller - 27CB (6/21/2006)
Intel 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB2 Enhanced Host Controller - 27CC (6/21/2006)

VideoLogMeIn Generic PnP Monitor (DPMS) (5/9/2006)
LogMeIn Mirror Driver (5/22/2006)



Sorry for the stupid questions, I'd just hate to waste my money! So will it fit? Will it work? Is it worth it? (after all, I am currently trying to survive off a GeForce 7950GT >.<)

Thanks guys!
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#2 Jun 22 2010 at 12:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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I am by no means an expert on the subject but I did just build my own computer, however, so I have some experience on the matter.

I don't know how to read that mumbo jumbo so I don't know what kind of computer you have beyond a pentium of some sort with 2.1 ghz. Judging from your current graphics card (which is some...4 generations old) it's probably an old core duo or pentium 4 (could be wrong though)...at which point it might not be worth buying just the graphics card, you'll probably need to upgrade the whole thing. Don't even know if the motherboard would handle it...probably not.

In addition to that, though, is the power supply. I don't think your power supply is listed there but it's probably pretty woeful and d11 graphics cards are power hungry, especially the nvidias. I would check on your case, near your power supply (the thing your power cord plugs into) to see if you can find how many watts it has (might be on the outside labeled with an 'W' or a 'Ω' after the number, otherwise you'd have to open the computer to see). If it's anything less than...600-650 you'd have to buy a new power supply.

Ultimately it would probably just be better for you to buy a ps3 or a new computer. Like I said though, I'm not an expert...wait until Aurelius responds, he knows a lot about this sort of stuff (or at least I perceive him to). Might have even answered while I was hashing this out.

EDIT: I just read the part that said the computer is 3 years old...so your prognosis might be better than I portrayed it. Once again, not an expert here.

Edited, Jun 22nd 2010 12:51am by Yogtheterrible
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Alright, I had to do a little digging, but I found/remembered that the 7950GT used a PCI Express x16 slot (probably one of the earliest generations to do so, if I had to take a wild guess without looking). This is still a "modern" slot, and will work with pretty much any card you buy on the market right now. Installation is pretty much plug and play at this point. Open up your case (this may require some tools, depending on how paranoid your vender is), and remove the large piece of plastic that will be standing perpendicular to the motherboard, it's hard to miss (again, make sure to look carefully how it is attached before yanking at things). Then push the GPU of your choice into it's place. The next time you start your computer it will probably look pretty crappy. This is because you need to install the new drivers that go with your GPU. Just put in the CD that came with your card and run the installer (or, optionally, go online and track down the nVidia drivers that go with your new card of choice).

Honestly, though, any computer that is running a 7950GT is probably going to fall into epileptic fits at trying to run FFXIV, brand new card or no. That isn't to say you couldn't dust it off to the point of getting it to run. But you'd practically have a new computer at that point. Just a bit of friendly advice.

Edit: Upon looking at the card you want to add, it will work: the slot is a PCIe x16, where the card will be a PCIe 2.0 x16. This means you'll be getting less performance out of the card than someone running the full PCIe 2.0 would, but it will still work (and infinitely better than your current card at that).

Edit Edit: Oh I'm sorry, I forgot to mention power. Some more recent cards, like the one you linked to, require special power to be run to them (your old card almost certainly does not). How to do this depends on the make of your PSU (power supply unit). Most PSUs just have a bunch of unused cables laying around in the base of the case (although some have modular cabling, in which case you may be in trouble, as I am not positive you can buy more cables of that type). Find two such cables that have six (6).... dohickies.... I'm not entirely sure what they're called to be honest, "plug components". There should be two corresponding six (6) socketed holes in your new card.

Edited, Jun 22nd 2010 2:56am by Hulan

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#4 Jun 22 2010 at 12:59 AM Rating: Good
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Thanks for the replies. Sorry, I thought that stuff looked pretty confusing, but then again, i just figured I didn't know how to read it because i suck at computers sometime XD

I can tell you for sure that it is a core2 duo processor, and the power supply is 700W(and I believe the card i was going to buy requires 550W minimum). If it matters, I currently run 2GB of memory and could probably increase that to 4GB pretty easily if that is something that needs to be done to make the graphics card upgrade worth it(not sure if that has anything to do with how the graphics card works or not). Also, I'm running Vista atm, but plan to upgrade to windows 7.

Dont know how much of that info helps, if at all. =)
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If the above is the case you still need to make sure you have enough power with your power supply before attempting to place that card in, it's really a power hog. Considering the pci slot isn't 2.0 it might not draw as much power (and therefore not perform as well...meaning it's kind of a waste of money) so you might not need as much as I stated earlier.

EDIT: Just read your last post, it should work. 700 watts if fine though I would consider switching to the ATI HD 5850 or 5870 which runs a lot cooler and supposedly draws less power. If you plan on getting 64bit windows 7 you need 4gb of ram (well, not NEED, but will really want it) but you should really have that much anyway, kind of standard nowadays.

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Gotta leave but download: CPU-Z

Gives you most of the info you need to know about motherboard/memory and your clocks that your running at currently.

Post those stats and then people can help you out but im almost positive if you get a 470 you will be "bottlenecking" which your video card won't even be able to perform at its maximum, or even be able to work with your current settings.

New computer is probably your best bet all around. (If you do that get a full tower case such as an antec 1200 for the ventilation of your components)
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Bah, I added more to my post, but you got here before I did, see above for some appendixes.
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Post those stats and then people can help you out but im almost positive if you get a 470 you will be "bottlenecking" which your video card won't even be able to perform at its maximum, or even be able to work with your current settings.


I downloaded the CPU-Z program and ran it. What number are you referring to? What stats should I post that might help?
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#9 Jun 22 2010 at 1:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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I believe he was just asking you to take a screenshot of the program after it finished running and upload it somewhere so we could check the numbers. He appears to be out already though. If you don't mind, I might be able to refine my advice from before if you do upload them.
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here are a few grabs from multiple tabs, because I'm not sure which ones are the most useful:

http://s42.photobucket.com/albums/e321/jwhollan/ScreenGrabs/sh4.jpg

http://s42.photobucket.com/albums/e321/jwhollan/ScreenGrabs/sh3.jpg

http://s42.photobucket.com/albums/e321/jwhollan/ScreenGrabs/sh2.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e321/jwhollan/ScreenGrabs/sh1.jpg


EDIT: hmm... just noticed they are a bit small and hard to read. hopefully its good enough, lol.

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#11 Jun 22 2010 at 1:44 AM Rating: Excellent
I guess the short answer would be that yes, the GTX470 would most likely function in your machine.

The long answer would be blub blub blub.

Which I know makes no sense, and it's not supposed to, because I just felt like saying blub blub blub and it seemed like a good idea at the time.

Now that that's out of the way...

A few things to consider...

First, you can't really go wrong with buying a GTX470 right now. They're very good cards...a little undersupported on the driver side right now but updated drivers are free and it's just a matter of time before they're performing where they ought to be. And the nice thing about it is that once you have the card, you can upgrade around it as you see fit without having to think about buying a new card for at least a couple of years. Which brings me to the not so great news, and that's that unless you're willing and able to upgrade the rest of your system, that card is not going to be able to perform as it should (with or without better drivers).

There's just an awful lot in your rig that's going to create substantial bottlenecks. Bus speeds, CPU speeds, and RAM are all areas that could probably stand to be upgraded. Throw in a new case to ensure you've got adequate ventillation and you're basically looking at an entirely new rig.

In other words, I wouldn't discourage you from buying a GTX470, but I would hate to leave you with the impression that it will work wonders for you overall. Cards like that need the rest of the system to be capable of adequately supporting them, otherwise their potential is largely wasted.
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Alright, I skimmed over your numbers. First the bad news: To personify your processor, it's going to have a heart attack if you bring FFXIV within ten feet of it. The good news is that your socket (the... type... of the processor, I guess you could say) is a 775. This is an incredibly versatile socket and is still in use for some of the middle market processors (okay, to be fair, you aren't going to be putting top of the line hardware on this thing, but it's not bad). This means that if you wanted to make your computer play FFXIV without buying a new one, it is technically possible. You will need at bare minimum a better CPU and graphics card though. You could get away with just getting a GTX 285 rather than a 400 series for your graphics card if cost is an issue, at a cut in the performance over all. As for a CPU, that's the subject for another post, so first I'll ask:

At this point you have three options.
  • 1. You feel confident in learning how to upgrade your computer
  • 2. You want to upgrade your computer but do not feel confident
  • 3. You want to play FFXIV and don't want to be hassled with the small stuff

  • In option 1, you buy a new processor, GPU, and possible some more ram, and install it yourself. Which myself and others on this sight can give you advice and help to do.

    In option 2, you buy those things, then hand it to a local computer store (they are everywhere these days). They will gladly take your purchased parts and computer and put them together for you for a fee.

    In option 3, you store your data on a backup harddrive, or online somewhere, then buy a new computer.

    The options scale from difficulty <---> cost.
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    I know it might be a little to late at this point, but I zoomed in a bit on those screengrabs from before. these should be MUCH easier to read:


    http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e321/jwhollan/ScreenGrabs/sh5.jpg

    http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e321/jwhollan/ScreenGrabs/sh6.jpg

    http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e321/jwhollan/ScreenGrabs/sh7.jpg

    http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e321/jwhollan/ScreenGrabs/sh8.jpg
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    Well.... on these boards, I cant say anything official, but.... lets just say I KNOW for a fact that my machine plays FFXIV. I'm sure you can figure out how I know that for yourself. It is rather choppy though, but playable for sure.

    A new graphics card wouldn't help in that respect? Are you basically saying that my machine is set up to its maximum potential at the moment and a new card would give me no noticable difference without updating the rest of the system? (or at least not to the point that it is worth the trouble?)

    I have a few hundred dollars to spend, but unfortunately, not a grand or so to upgrade everything. am I out of luck? should i look at a smaller card?
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    I'm surprised your system can play FFXIV, the benchmark that was uploaded recently has given much better computers than yours (no offense intended) "failing" marks in terms of playability.

    As to your other question though, what you have is called a bottleneck. Although the GPU is doing alot of the grunt work for the game, alot of work that allows the GPU to do its thing is being done by the CPU, and your CPU is slow enough that if you got a super powerful GPU like the 400 series you linked to before, it would just keep having to stop and wait for the CPU anyway.

    It's like you were at work, and you have had an incredibly efficient day, gotten all of your work done, but you end up twiddling your thumbs because your boss is slow and hasn't given you anything else to work on. It's the same for computers. Even if your GPU is blazingly fast, if your CPU can't keep up, it's not helping.
    #16 Jun 22 2010 at 2:13 AM Rating: Excellent
    Arestia wrote:
    Well.... on these boards, I cant say anything official, but.... lets just say I KNOW for a fact that my machine plays FFXIV. I'm sure you can figure out how I know that for yourself. It is rather choppy though, but playable for sure.

    A new graphics card wouldn't help in that respect? Are you basically saying that my machine is set up to its maximum potential at the moment and a new card would give me no noticable difference without updating the rest of the system? (or at least not to the point that it is worth the trouble?)

    I have a few hundred dollars to spend, but unfortunately, not a grand or so to upgrade everything. am I out of luck? should i look at a smaller card?


    The closed beta that you may or may not have an opportunity to participate in will be a better indication of what you can expect from XIV's performance on your current rig. If it's rather choppy while playing something that may or may not include the alpha client, it's likely to only get worse. More objectively, your rig as it currently stands will be almost guaranteed to see at least some improvement with a GTX470 but it will be heavily bottlenecked by your processor, RAM, and bus speeds. As I said, if you buy the card you've got the card and if you have a hankering for even better performance down the road and a few extra dollars to throw at further upgrades, at least you've already got the card taken care of. And as I said, I'm not trying to discourage you from buying the card...just pointing out that it's not likely to represent the kind of improvement you might otherwise expect.
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    Thanks for the advice. you guys obviously know much better than I do. While we are on the topic, and since i obviously dont know much, do either of you care to point out a couple products that would make a very noticeable difference that would be a decent price? in other words, something that is far from top of the line, but would still let me get the most out of a GTX470 card?

    What do I need? a couple sticks of memory, a mediocre processor, and a new motherboard?
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    What's your price range?
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    Arestia wrote:
    Thanks for the advice. you guys obviously know much better than I do. While we are on the topic, and since i obviously dont know much, do either of you care to point out a couple products that would make a very noticeable difference that would be a decent price? in other words, something that is far from top of the line, but would still let me get the most out of a GTX470 card?

    What do I need? a couple sticks of memory, a mediocre processor, and a new motherboard?


    Based on benchmark results, I'd say 4-8 GB of DDR3 RAM (1333 should be fine, 1600 is better but more expensive). At least a quad core processor (Phenom II or i5 Quad are good, i7 is better but more expensive), a new motherboard (to handle the processor and RAM), and a new video card (which you've already covered).

    You'll want a good PSU, but 700W should be fine, which you have.

    Your budget is important, since this all can cost you anywhere from $500 to $2500 depending on how cheap or pricey you want to go.

    The important thing is, you want to upgrade everything at once.
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    Mikhalia wrote:
    (1333 should be fine, 1600 is better but more expensive)


    I dunno, I've found them to be almost the same price for the most part. I've recently discovered that i5 processors tend to favor 1333 ram while i7 processors favor 1600...just something to keep in mind. Currently have a problem with my 8 gigs of ram myself...seems my motherboard has a fit when I place 8 gigs in but runs perfectly fine on 4 gigs. Probably will never buy a cheap motherboard again.

    So yeah, you generally get what you paid for.

    Edited, Jun 22nd 2010 4:46pm by Yogtheterrible
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    Yogtheterrible wrote:
    Mikhalia wrote:
    (1333 should be fine, 1600 is better but more expensive)


    I dunno, I've found them to be almost the same price for the most part. I've recently discovered that i5 processors tend to favor 1333 ram while i7 processors favor 1600...just something to keep in mind. Currently have a problem with my 8 gigs of ram myself...seems my motherboard has a fit when I place 8 gigs in but runs perfectly fine on 4 gigs. Probably will never buy a cheap motherboard again.

    So yeah, you generally get what you paid for.

    Edited, Jun 22nd 2010 4:46pm by Yogtheterrible


    I'm running 4 GB DDR3 1333 and have no complaints, personally. It does depend on the motherboard though, I agree. Some of them aren't very nice about triple channel RAM. In the XP/Vista era of computing, I'd say never run XP SP2/SP3 under 1 GB and never run Vista under 3 GB. But Windows 7 (and games, obviously) seems to run just peachy for me on 4 GB.

    EDIT: I also used to buy cheap motherboards and have regretted that decision as well. My last one was only like $35 but this one ran me about $100 or so and I like it.

    Edited, Jun 22nd 2010 6:57pm by Mikhalia
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    Ok, so I'm spending $300 on the graphics card, Can I get the rest of the stuff for another say $250-300 and still have decent performance? I know I still wont be getting the full potential out of the card, but would I at least be able to play FFXIV pretty well? Let me see if I can find an example:

    Processor:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115215

    Memory: (x2...on top of the two 1GB sticks already in my system)
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134657

    Motherboard:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131650

    How important is a new motherboard? would the GPU, CPU, and added memory be enough? or is the motherboard absolutely necessary in order to see an improvement?

    Also, Would these particular parts all work together properly? and work with the other stuff that I already have?

    Thanks for the help guys. I know you all probably have better things to do than help little ole me, but I really do appreciate it =)

    Edited, Jun 22nd 2010 11:43pm by Arestia
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    Arestia wrote:
    Ok, so I'm spending $300 on the graphics card, Can I get the rest of the stuff for another say $250-300 and still have decent performance? I know I still wont be getting the full potential out of the card, but would I at least be able to play FFXIV pretty well? Let me see if I can find an example:

    Processor:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115215

    Memory: (x2...on top of the two 1GB sticks already in my system)
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134657

    Motherboard:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131650

    How important is a new motherboard? would the GPU, CPU, and added memory be enough? or is the motherboard absolutely necessary in order to see an improvement?

    Also, Would these particular parts all work together properly? and work with the other stuff that I already have?

    Thanks for the help guys. I know you all probably have better things to do than help little ole me, but I really do appreciate it =)

    Edited, Jun 22nd 2010 11:43pm by Arestia


    That motherboard isn't compatible with that processor. The core i5 needs a MB with an LGA1156 socket and the motherboard supports a LGA775 (which is for Core duo/pentium).
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    hmm, ok. learned something new...

    how about the rest of it? will it do what I asked in my last post? And again, is a new motherboard absolutely needed in this case? (I guess it would be unless my current motherboard supports i5 processors, yea? how do I figure that out?)

    Thanks!

    EDIT: Is this one better? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188063

    Edited, Jun 23rd 2010 1:13am by Arestia
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    The rest of it looked okay to me. i7 is better than i5 obviously but if you're on a budget, a quad core i5 may do the trick, especially if you can get a decent motherboard that supports i5 and i7 (you can upgrade it later that way, if you ever want to)

    I'm personally not a fan of the layout of the motherboard you linked because you can't install/remove RAM with the video card in. Once you have the RAM and video installed, I guess you're fine though... I've never liked micro ATX motherboards and it seems like most of the LGA1156es are micro ATX.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131623

    That one has a little bit better layout. I also just happen to like ASUS and ASRock motherboards but that's bias, not statistics.

    This is a decent selection of options for Core i5 boards that are upgradeable to Core i7s with LGA1156.

    Honestly, if you could budget a little higher, something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202 would be a really nice processor for you. It's an LGA1366 though so you'll need an LGA1366 motherboard, which would run $150+

    That's the thing about system upgrades like this; spend a little, get a little, spend a lot, get a lot. The motherboard you mentioned last with that processor and RAM should work decently at a relatively low price. Just letting you know what's out there. If you're planning on spending $300 on a video card, I would strongly advise the i7 route. If you're getting an i5, you're probably wasting your money on anything over $140-180 for a card.

    Video/Graphics/Motherboard/PSU/RAM all work in tandem, and they're only as strong as the weakest link.
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    Yea, I adventually would want to upgrade further because i would like to get the most out of the video card (otherwise, whats the point in buying it?) I think right now its more about getting it all to work properly first, and then maybe upgrade again a year from now. I dunno... maybe I can just convince the wife it would be a good investment.... >.>

    I could always just start with the GPU and buy the rest in a couple months right? it wont break anything to install it and let it do its thing right? lol
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    Just a little suggestion.

    You should 1st choose your CPU. (at least a quad-core for FFXIV)
    Then find a Motherboard that support the CPU. (look for "Cross-Fire" or "SLI" if you wanna play multi-GPU)
    Then find the RAM and GPU that could be supported by the motherboard.
    Finally get the Power Unit that is MORE capable to feed power to all of the above.(You definitely don't want to get a cheap one, because if it malfunction it can kill your machine.)

    Knowing their relationship and set the right priority save you a lot of time^^

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    If you just need a GPU make sure you still have enough power, and it would still make your future upgrade works.

    Also, now GPU create WAY MORE heat then the old one you have. Make sure the cooling is adequate.
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    I think everyone's jumping the gun a little bit in terms of the whole zomg ffxiv benchmark issue.

    It's great so far as it has served its purpose as a wake-up call, but if you rush out into the market now, six months down the track the same parts will be cheaper, and even worse, better technology will be available at substantially similar prices.

    Heck, I built my new pc around 3 months ago with respectable parts (i7-920, ATI 5770, 6GB DDR3 triple channel RAM) and barely got it to achieve 2500 on 1080. It's annoying that the requirements are so far ahead of today's technology, but you're only making it worse if you rush to buy a new pc and find it's outclassed a few months later.

    Anyway, for the OP - the best answer is that you should probably build a new pc rather than buying a gfx to insert into an older generation system. Or cheaper yet, buy a ps3.
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    Dik wrote:
    Heck, I built my new pc around 3 months ago with respectable parts (i7-920, ATI 5770, 6GB DDR3 triple channel RAM) and barely got it to achieve 2500 on 1080. It's annoying that the requirements are so far ahead of today's technology, but you're only making it worse if you rush to buy a new pc and find it's outclassed a few months later.


    That's peculiar because I have a Phenom II x4, 5770, and 4 GB DDR3 and I got a 4000 low and 2500 high. I would think that since you have a rig that is a little better than mine, you should be getting a higher score. Maybe the 5770 is what's holding you back (and I hate to say that, because I love my 5770) since your processor is better than mine but we have the same score.

    I also think I read in another thread that low res is more CPU intensive and hi res is more GPU intensive, so if that's the case, it would explain why the two of us with different CPUs and the same GPU are getting roughly the same score.
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    Mikhalia wrote:
    Dik wrote:
    Heck, I built my new pc around 3 months ago with respectable parts (i7-920, ATI 5770, 6GB DDR3 triple channel RAM) and barely got it to achieve 2500 on 1080. It's annoying that the requirements are so far ahead of today's technology, but you're only making it worse if you rush to buy a new pc and find it's outclassed a few months later.


    That's peculiar because I have a Phenom II x4, 5770, and 4 GB DDR3 and I got a 4000 low and 2500 high. I would think that since you have a rig that is a little better than mine, you should be getting a higher score. Maybe the 5770 is what's holding you back (and I hate to say that, because I love my 5770) since your processor is better than mine but we have the same score.

    I also think I read in another thread that low res is more CPU intensive and hi res is more GPU intensive, so if that's the case, it would explain why the two of us with different CPUs and the same GPU are getting roughly the same score.


    About the same scores for me. i3-530 (3.66 Ghz), 4 GB ram, HD 5770. Low res = 3900, high res = 2552. Unless you have a really big monitor/tv, low res will be fine.
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    High: 2504
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    That was the first score I achieved. I have yet to OC the CPU (going to aim for stability around 3.5 to 4 GHz using paste and better fan), so there's still a fair bit of room for improvement in performance.

    The other thing I haven't confirmed is whether my Sapphire ATI 5770 uses Samsung DDR5 RAM, apparently there's a driver fix for those cards which I haven't installed because I'm too lazy to check if I need it yet. Has anyone got experience with OC'ing through Catalyst (the ATI config program)? For some reason my OC options are greyed out so I can't tweak the GPU and onboard RAM through it.

    I don't want to shell out A$500 for an ATI 5870 at this stage, I'm going to wait for Crysis 2 and see how my machine handles Cryengine3 (Crysis 1 recommends high settings, tried very high with a little noticeable frame rate stutter)...if the results come back really poorly, then I'll up the ante by adding another ATI card in Crossfire configuration...or get a PS3 orz






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    Dik wrote:
    High: 2504
    Low: 4546

    That was the first score I achieved. I have yet to OC the CPU (going to aim for stability around 3.5 to 4 GHz using paste and better fan), so there's still a fair bit of room for improvement in performance.

    The other thing I haven't confirmed is whether my Sapphire ATI 5770 uses Samsung DDR5 RAM, apparently there's a driver fix for those cards which I haven't installed because I'm too lazy to check if I need it yet. Has anyone got experience with OC'ing through Catalyst (the ATI config program)? For some reason my OC options are greyed out so I can't tweak the GPU and onboard RAM through it.

    I don't want to shell out A$500 for an ATI 5870 at this stage, I'm going to wait for Crysis 2 and see how my machine handles Cryengine3 (Crysis 1 recommends high settings, tried very high with a little noticeable frame rate stutter)...if the results come back really poorly, then I'll up the ante by adding another ATI card in Crossfire configuration...or get a PS3 orz


    There's a little padlock picture. You have to click on it and then click the "Yes, if I'm retarded and break it, I realize it's my own **** fault" button.

    That will ungrey your options.

    EDIT: Also, your 5770 should be 128 bit GDDR5. You can check here to confirm. I don't know about the Samsung part.

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