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#1 Jun 22 2010 at 4:45 AM Rating: Decent
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PC limitations? Really? I didn't think I'd see the day.

I'm not going to be able to run FFXIV on my rig. All is not lost however, as I own a PS3. I had wanted to play on my PC, but without some serious upgrades, that isn't going to happen. For me, I suppose it isn't a big deal.

What about for all those people who want to play but don't own a PS3? Upgrade their rig? Get a new computer? Get a PS3? I don't envy them. I have to say, if SE is looking to let the "average" person get in on FFXIV, they may want to cut back a bit on the graphics. What good is game play that the average MMO player would like if they can't even run the game?
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#2 Jun 22 2010 at 5:13 AM Rating: Default
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I have to agree with you on this.
I have no idea what I will be playing it on yet. I know that my pc will not handle it and I don't have a ps3.

I keep hoping for then so say they will be taking it to the xbox360 but I know that will not happen anytime soon.

So I really don't know what I'm going to do yet. either way I have to spend money.
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FFXI has been going since 2002. FFXIV may certainly be SE's primary MMO until ~2020. That's a really long time, and in the interest of this game aging well, I hope the standards are very high.
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PC limitations? Really? I didn't think I'd see the day.

I'm not going to be able to run FFXIV on my rig. All is not lost however, as I own a PS3. I had wanted to play on my PC, but without some serious upgrades, that isn't going to happen. For me, I suppose it isn't a big deal.

What about for all those people who want to play but don't own a PS3? Upgrade their rig? Get a new computer? Get a PS3? I don't envy them. I have to say, if SE is looking to let the "average" person get in on FFXIV, they may want to cut back a bit on the graphics. What good is game play that the average MMO player would like if they can't even run the game?



I happen to be one of those people you don't envy. :(

I live in a country in SE Asia. And over here where I'm at, the cost of living is about three times lower than in the US. However, the average income here is about three times lower than the average income in the US, too (kinda balances out, right?).

But the thing is, the cost of technology here is the same as in the US; it's not three times lower. The price of a PS3 and computer hardware here is the same as in the US. And what does that mean? It means a person with average income here forking out $1000 for a computer upgrade has the same impact on his essential monthly expenses as someone with average income in the US forking out $3000.

I do not have a PS3. My computer is over 3 years old. Pentium D 3.2Ghz, Geforce 7800 GTX, 2Ghz DDR ram. I can't even get the benchmark to work (already upgraded nVidia drivers and Direct X). I won't even be able to try out the open Beta, either.

I know that the hardware specs for the game may change come retail, but I still see myself having to throw at LEAST $500 (the same as you guys in the US having to spend $1500) to play the game with decent graphics. At first I was planning to play the game on my PC, but now I might have to settle for a PS3, if I play at all. And still, it would cost me at least $350 for the PS3 plus keyboard (the equivalent of over $1000 to you guys in the US).

I'm not so sure if I can afford to spend that much just for a single game (I don't really play anything else). =/

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#6 Jun 22 2010 at 9:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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This is the perfect game for a publisher to try out high-end graphics on because they have the PS3 as a fallback. No matter what kind of hardware is required for the PC version, players are guaranteed to be able to run it on a $300 PS3. I'd say it's win-win.
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This is the perfect game for a publisher to try out high-end graphics on because they have the PS3 as a fallback. No matter what kind of hardware is required for the PC version, players are guaranteed to be able to run it on a $300 PS3. I'd say it's win-win.


Until the PS3 itself starts to crash, burning, exploding every where on the globe after 5 minutes of intense FFXIV play.
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#8 Jun 22 2010 at 9:57 AM Rating: Excellent
I want to say things that will make people sad pandas, and yet I don't. I want to point to that interview that is now just over a year old and say, "What did you really expect?" I guess it's inevitable that from now until release and probably for even some time after release, people are going to be coming here to voice their shock and dismay at the hardware requirements but could we maybe just encourage one little tweak to the general theme? Instead of dumping it all in SE's lap, could we maybe start taking responsibility ourselves for what happens when we respond to SE's statements about the game with denial and maybe use this situation to create a benefit? Because god knows I've been karma bombed in threads where I've tried in earnest to get people to accept Tanaka's statements from a year ago at face value and to be completely honest, if you folks had simply listened you'd have already had a year to sock away a few extra bucks to tweak here and upgrade there and this wouldn't be nearly such an issue.
#9 Jun 22 2010 at 11:13 AM Rating: Decent
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cut back on the graphics....

We live in a world that strives to move foward and not a world where we sit still.

Of course graphics have to increase. FF11 is 2002. What kinda nonense is it to hold back so people with age old computers can play... What a weird thing to say >.<

To each his OWN @_@
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The One and Only Aurelius wrote:
I want to say things that will make people sad pandas, and yet I don't. I want to point to that interview that is now just over a year old and say, "What did you really expect?" I guess it's inevitable that from now until release and probably for even some time after release, people are going to be coming here to voice their shock and dismay at the hardware requirements but could we maybe just encourage one little tweak to the general theme? Instead of dumping it all in SE's lap, could we maybe start taking responsibility ourselves for what happens when we respond to SE's statements about the game with denial and maybe use this situation to create a benefit? Because god knows I've been karma bombed in threads where I've tried in earnest to get people to accept Tanaka's statements from a year ago at face value and to be completely honest, if you folks had simply listened you'd have already had a year to sock away a few extra bucks to tweak here and upgrade there and this wouldn't be nearly such an issue.


Clearly the answer is to ignore what you're told, take it to assume what you want it to mean, and get mad at the person who said it when you're wrong. How -DARE- SE tell us the truth, the bastards.

Also, did we REALLY need ANOTHER thread about this?
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Two of the threads mentioned above were polls asking if people were going to play on the PS3 or on the computer. The third was a "post your results here" thread. While perhaps they are in the same vein as this thread, I was asking about the communities general feel for this predicament.
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I knew the game would be hardware demanding months and months ago, so I decided to try and save my pennies to save for upgrades. Due to circumstances beyond my control, my pc upgrade cash had to take care of other things. I think about the hardware needed to play this game and get dissapointed. Then, I watch the trailers that have been released recently and suck it up. I have a PS3, but my wife will be using that. Understanding this, she and I figured out little sacrafices we could make to not just upgrade my old machine, but build a completly new one. I am fortunate enough to be able to do this, and I feel bad for a lot of the people that don't have the money to upgrade. Times have been, and still are, difficult. The bottom line though is we have to make little cut backs here and there if we want to play...

I gave up Code Red Mt. Dew (mmmmm, I miss it =/) This saves me roughly $6/day (I'm an addict lol)
My wife and I stopped eatting fast food once or twice a week. This save us roughly $20/week.
We slowed down smoking (disgusting habit I know, but we are close to being done) We now smoke maybe a pack every 3 days vs. 1 per day. This saved us a ton.

I know the sacrafices are a bit petty and rediculous, I mean we're doing this so the two of us can play a game!? The important note is that this game, as XI did, will probably occupy a majority of our time over the next few years which in the long run will help us save money. When we don't have something to play, I'm spending money on paintball equipment, playing golf (way more than I should), and tuning cars....She just shops (the pain!!! lol)
#13 Jun 22 2010 at 7:51 PM Rating: Decent
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FFXIV will probably run at 720p on PS3 and 576p on Xbox360 if FF13 is any indication (they both use Crystal Tools)
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Hey i can't see a better thread to put this in. I'm not shocked at the PC requirements at all and I am glad their so high but, im quite curious as to why my score would be low. Im running 4GB of ram, Intel core 2 duo 3.3Ghz, Evga nvidia 9800GTX, and an evga motherboard an i run a xp 64bit. I got a 961 on high settings an a 1680 on low res. So tell me. What are people using who hit the 8000mark? or even 5000? I feel like my computer is pretty high end. Anything that could cause it to register a lower score? like ram failure?
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Hey i can't see a better thread to put this in. I'm not shocked at the PC requirements at all and I am glad their so high but, im quite curious as to why my score would be low. Im running 4GB of ram, Intel core 2 duo 3.3Ghz, Evga nvidia 9800GTX, and an evga motherboard an i run a xp 64bit. I got a 961 on high settings an a 1680 on low res. So tell me. What are people using who hit the 8000mark? or even 5000? I feel like my computer is pretty high end. Anything that could cause it to register a lower score? like ram failure?


Your scores seem to be about on point given your hardware. I managed to breach 8000 on the low res benchmark by overclocking the **** out of an i7 920 and a Radeon 5870 and then took those same overcloks to the high res bench and scored just shy of 5800.
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alright thanks aurelius. That's pretty extreme then. Can't wait to see the graphics when i actually play then.
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As far as benchmark scores go, with anything less than a quad core processor, I wouldn't expect to see over 1500-2000.
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I'm extremely glad of the PC requirements.

My wife and I both play MMOs. I'm sick of the one we currently play, but I stick around because she plays it, as well as some other people we know.

When I first started drooling over the prospect of FFXIV, I simply could not get her or any of our friends to even consider the game.

The other day, I finally got her to look at some screen shots and watch some clips of the gameplay. Suddenly, she is looking forward to FFXIV and plans on playing with me.

My current rig only scored just short of 3000 on high using the benchmark. I used this excuse to get "permission" to upgrade both of our computers for the sake of playing FFXIV with decent settings.

I have today started ordering parts. I already have a 30" Dell monitor, and a single 5870. I've got my Asus Rampage 3 Extreme on the way, should arrive next Tuesday, and an i7 930 to with it ( I plan on going hexacore i7-980X eventually, but my wife would kill me if I told her I wanted to spend $1400 on a CPU at the moment). Within the next couple of months, I'll be getting a second 5870 to crossfire. This is all just from my personal savings.

I'll be building hers next month, with her $2000 tax refund.

For me, the high PC requirements turned out to be nothing but pure win.

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#19 Jun 22 2010 at 11:19 PM Rating: Good
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Fetter wrote:
My wife and I both play MMOs. I'm sick of the one we currently play, but I stick around because she plays it, as well as some other people we know.


What do you currently play? I'm still looking for something to play between now and FFXIV.
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#20 Jun 22 2010 at 11:38 PM Rating: Good
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WoW, unfortunately.
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ALl points bulliten comes out saturday. Basically a GTA mmo
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WoW, unfortunately.


Ah, well ****.

Ever since quitting FFXI and WoW, I've been looking for something fun.
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what are you looking for exactly?
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@Fetter: Yeah that's basically how I got stuck in WoW for several years too.
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If you haven't already tried it, I'd suggest DDO. Pretty brutal really. Anyone who enjoys FFXI would like the difficulty.
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#26 Jun 23 2010 at 11:38 AM Rating: Good
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what are you looking for exactly?



Something with limited to no PvP (So no Aion, Guild Wars), something that doesn't involve massive cash shop purchases just to play the game (like Allods), something in a medieval/fantasy setting (tried Eve, assumed Warhammer was also space like 40K and never tried it; pass on the futuristic/space setting). Something that has leveling that is a little more involved than just killing mobs without anything else (RO) but not something that is nothing but quests (Shaiya). And something where partying while leveling is a benefit, not a hindrance (like WoW), but the content does not ALWAYS require you to party (like FFXI used to be).

And for the love of god, something that doesn't look like it xeroxed someone else's UI (Allods, Alganon, RoM).

And ideally something my fiancee will like too, because it's just no fun for me to play by myself after a certain point. So far the only game I've played since quitting WoW/FFXI that I liked was DDO, and she didn't like the mouse aim/attack; she likes keyboard related macros/hotbars like FFXI and WoW have respectively.

My main reason for leaving FFXI was leadership stress (which I can avoid in a new game by just not being a leader of anything major) and my main reasons for leaving WoW were insanely dumb players (gearscore tards in places that don't call for it, fire standers) and tired of replacing my gear, which I've harped on in more than one thread.

Dumb players you'll get anywhere, but the rest of it... eh.

So basically, I'm looking to get into a game that is either F2P or P2P with a free trial (so I can tell if I like it before I plunk down any money) that offers the above things.

I'm well aware my list is somewhat specific, and that's probably why I'm having a hard time finding something I'm like. Of course these are all features I'm hoping for in XIV, but until then, if anyone can think of any games that might fit the bill, I'm open to suggestions :)

EDIT: Clarified something

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If you haven't already tried it, I'd suggest DDO. Pretty brutal really. Anyone who enjoys FFXI would like the difficulty.


I love DDO. Honestly, I like it as much as FFXI. Fiancee doesn't like it though; she tried to play it and disliked the fact that you have to click on enemies to attack; there's no autoattack feature.
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something in a medieval/fantasy setting (tried Eve/Warhammer; pass on the futuristic/space setting).


The only Warhammer mmo out right now is fantasy setting so this confuses me a little. Though it is PvP based so its nogo based on that but O.o
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something in a medieval/fantasy setting (tried Eve/Warhammer; pass on the futuristic/space setting).


The only Warhammer mmo out right now is fantasy setting so this confuses me a little. Though it is PvP based so its nogo based on that but O.o


My wording was funny. Tried Eve, got bored out of my mind in space. Passed on Warhammer due to the assumption that it was like Warhammer 40K.
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Have you tried LotRO? The PvP there is very limited, and Turbine are making it F2P + microtransactions later this year. I tried it once, but my computer at the time was barely able to run it at lowest settings. The constant frame stutter gave me a headache.

That was on an ancient system though.
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I know this might come off as a shocker to some of you but there are people in this world that have families to support. And can not drop $1,500+ at a drop of a hat for 1 game. And then there are the poor people who don't make as much as everyone else. As much as I would like it to happen not everyone makes over 100k a year. My wife and I make a decent income and I am not willing to spend $1,500 on a new PC even though I can afford it.

I am not too sure if SE's logic of you need a super computer to run the game or a PS3 is going to work. Sure there are 40 million PS3 sold. But how many of them are online? Also how many of them like RPG's? And how many of them are willing to pay a monthly fee? By the time you narrow it down it doesn't leave you with a large user base. I would say there are more people on PC willing to try a new MMORPG then on PS3 and SE is saying to 90% of the PC user base buy a new PC or don't play the game. Its not a very good way to drive up the sales if you ask me!
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I know this might come off as a shocker to some of you but there are people in this world that have families to support. And can not drop $1,500+ at a drop of a hat for 1 game. And then there are the poor people who don't make as much as everyone else. As much as I would like it to happen not everyone makes over 100k a year. My wife and I make a decent income and I am not willing to spend $1,500 on a new PC even though I can afford it.


Okay, that's a reasonable thing to decide, but a $400 PS-3 will run it just fine.

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I am not too sure if SE's logic of you need a super computer to run the game or a PS3 is going to work. Sure there are 40 million PS3 sold. But how many of them are online?


Is it especially hard to plug the cable into the PS-3 instead of the PC?

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Also how many of them like RPG's? And how many of them are willing to pay a monthly fee? By the time you narrow it down it doesn't leave you with a large user base.


Even if only 1% of them fit the criteria, that's 400,000 users, which is a pretty good starting point before you even begin to talk about PC users. I'm not sure what that has to do with your particular issue though. It's not as if the PC version is free to play, is it? So you've got a monthly fee regardless, and the PS-3 is much cheaper than a top of the line PC, so what does it matter how many PS-3 users want to play an MMO? YOU want to play an MMO, and it's probably worth having a PS-3 to play this one (not to mention that it has a Blu-ray player and you can play lots of other games on it).

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I would say there are more people on PC willing to try a new MMORPG then on PS3 and SE is saying to 90% of the PC user base buy a new PC or don't play the game. Its not a very good way to drive up the sales if you ask me!


I have a 2 year old system that will play the game just fine in the standard def mode, but won't handle high def. If I would shell out for a top of the line video card, I could probably run it in high def, at medium/low settings. I imagine most 3-4 year old systems will run the game with the help of a hundred dollar video card, though you might not be able to play with the details very high. Honestly, SE is probably going to lose out on a fair number of sales because of the high hard ware requirements, but it's not nearly as extreme as you want to make it sound. FFXIV is, at its heart, a console game first and PC game second.


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I know this might come off as a shocker to some of you but there are people in this world that have families to support. And can not drop $1,500+ at a drop of a hat for 1 game. And then there are the poor people who don't make as much as everyone else. As much as I would like it to happen not everyone makes over 100k a year. My wife and I make a decent income and I am not willing to spend $1,500 on a new PC even though I can afford it.

I am not too sure if SE's logic of you need a super computer to run the game or a PS3 is going to work. Sure there are 40 million PS3 sold. But how many of them are online? Also how many of them like RPG's? And how many of them are willing to pay a monthly fee? By the time you narrow it down it doesn't leave you with a large user base. I would say there are more people on PC willing to try a new MMORPG then on PS3 and SE is saying to 90% of the PC user base buy a new PC or don't play the game. Its not a very good way to drive up the sales if you ask me!


I personally think the exact opposite is true. SE has catered to a large userbase. Their FFXI PC players should have been expecting to upgrade their rigs. SE has also catered to their current console players as well as opening up the door to future console gamers or players who dont feel the need to spend $1000 on a gaming machine (technically you could build a $700 machine that would run the game on minimum settings). Some people might even buy it on ps3 and enjoy it so much that they build a gaming rig. Personally I don't think userbase will be a problem for XIV like it was in certain scenarios for XI.
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Hmmm. Most of what I would suggest are older titles that might be hard to get into now. (Guildwars, EQII, LoTRO)

Don't suppose B-list fantasy anime games are your thing? Sadly, that's where alot of the PvE seems to be at lately. PvP is dominating the AAA market.


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Have you tried LotRO? The PvP there is very limited, and Turbine are making it F2P + microtransactions later this year. I tried it once, but my computer at the time was barely able to run it at lowest settings. The constant frame stutter gave me a headache.

That was on an ancient system though.


Since it's done through Turbine (the same people who do DDO), I plan to give it a try when it goes F2P.

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I know this might come off as a shocker to some of you but there are people in this world that have families to support. And can not drop $1,500+ at a drop of a hat for 1 game. And then there are the poor people who don't make as much as everyone else. As much as I would like it to happen not everyone makes over 100k a year. My wife and I make a decent income and I am not willing to spend $1,500 on a new PC even though I can afford it.

I am not too sure if SE's logic of you need a super computer to run the game or a PS3 is going to work. Sure there are 40 million PS3 sold. But how many of them are online? Also how many of them like RPG's? And how many of them are willing to pay a monthly fee? By the time you narrow it down it doesn't leave you with a large user base. I would say there are more people on PC willing to try a new MMORPG then on PS3 and SE is saying to 90% of the PC user base buy a new PC or don't play the game. Its not a very good way to drive up the sales if you ask me!


Many people have a hobby. Some people rebuild cars, some people play TCGs, some people collect stamps, hunting, fishing, boating, the list goes on.

Comparatively speaking, boating and car repair are significantly more expensive than PC gaming. Ever year the old saying that "BOAT" just means "Bust out another thousand"?

What I'm getting at is, different hobbies have varying costs. Some are cheap and some aren't.

Now, I won't claim to be an expert on boating (I know very little about it) but if I decided I wanted to take up boating as a hobby, I'm pretty sure that a budget of $500-700 and an extra $15 a month would almost certainly not cover anything reasonable. I might be able to get a canoe.

You can make the argument that "Some people can't afford $1000 for a new computer", and you may be right; some can't. If you can't afford it, then it is not for you. If you are not making enough money that you have to pick between a hobby or the cost of living, then I would hope you would pick the latter. And that's fine.

But there are plenty of people out there who -can- afford to put their money into the hobby of choice, whether that be fixing up old cars or bowling or gaming. And for those who like gaming, they will be willing to invest in their hobby.

You wouldn't walk into an MTG (or other competitive TCG of your choice) tournament (especially Type 1) and start whining that you can't afford the cards to build a competitive deck, so everyone needs to cater to the fact that "I have a family" and give you cards or tone their decks down to give you a chance at winning. Or at least, I hope you wouldn't; you'd just get laughed at.

If a hobby is too expensive for you because your income is too low, find a hobby you can afford on your income that is more realistic. A decent rig will run most games, but every so often one will come along that requires people to fork out extra bucks or not play it. Crysis comes to mind.

I'm not trying to get all abrasive with you, because initially you made a reasonable side note (that not everyone can afford to upgrade their computer to run FFXIV) in one thread.

However, you've been repeating the same tangential point in every PC related thread here. You can't afford $1500. Fine. So play on a PS3 or don't play, either is fine. But mentioning that you can't afford a high end computer in every computer related thread is not going to change the fact that the game will require at least a moderately specced one to run.

And again, excluding OS/monitor/case, my system ran me under $750. It's not impossible to pick up a GPU, motherboard, processor, PSU, and RAM at FAR less than $1500. If you absolutely don't want to play on PS3 (which is reasonable; I wouldn't want to), I'll lay it out for you.

Here is my rig:

Processor RAM Power Supply Video Card Motherboard

In total, that'll run you about $600 bucks. Throw that in your case with whatever HD and DVD drive you have, install whatever version of windows you have on it, and it will give you ~4000 on low and ~2500 on high.

If you want higher scores, you're going to want better parts than these; they aren't top-end, but they're good enough that they'll run the game fine. And it's not $1500. Even if you had nothing at all, HD and optical will run ~90 and another 50-70 for a decent case brings your grand total to 750ish.

$1000-$2500 will buy you better than that, sure; but average performance can be achieved at that pricepoint.
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It's not as if the PC version is free to play, is it? So you've got a monthly fee regardless, and the PS-3 is much cheaper than a top of the line PC, so what does it matter how many PS-3 users want to play an MMO? YOU want to play an MMO, and it's probably worth having a PS-3 to play this one (not to mention that it has a Blu-ray player and you can play lots of other games on it).


I still personally won't be buying a PS3 until the price drops to $200 (or $249 with a game of approximately $50 value included in bundle) but other than that, I agree. Most good MMOGs have a monthly fee; it's rare to find a good MMO that is F2P. And I really don't give a **** whether the game has 50K, 500K, or 5M subscribers. From a player point of view, the only thing population makes relevant to me is how many people are on my server and how long it takes me to get groups. Assuming 25,000 people per server, it doesn't make a difference to me from a playability standpoint whether the game has 2, 5, 10, or 25 servers. That was the big thing about WoW; they talk about how they have 15 million players, but excluding the players on my server (or my battlegroup, in the case of random dungeons), none of that really mattered.

Something seems off to me if you only want to play a game "if everyone else is playing it". I wouldn't want to play a dead game where NOBODY plays it of course, but beyond a certain point, the exact amount of total subscribers only affects SE's monthly income, not my game experience.

One could argue that "Them making more money means they can hire more people to work on content", and you'd have a semi-valid point, but even then there is a point of diminishing returns. If 500,000 people gives them enough income to push out quality updates/patches on a regular basis, then suddenly having 1,000,000 is not going to change much.

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Hmmm. Most of what I would suggest are older titles that might be hard to get into now. (Guildwars, EQII, LoTRO)

Don't suppose B-list fantasy anime games are your thing? Sadly, that's where alot of the PvE seems to be at lately. PvP is dominating the AAA market.


I've heard GW was heavily PvP based, and I know SoE sanctions RMT in EQ2 so I don't know how heavily that influences the game. Considering LotRO since Turbine does it.

I don't mind anime style games, if the content isn't boring. I played RO (Technically essenceRO) for a while but got really bored because it seemed like there was nothing to do but grind mobs. I did one or two MVPs but that was about it. Quit around 120ish.

The environment and gameplay are more important than the graphics or art style to me.
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It's a 'mixed servers but entirely consensual' sort of thing. But, ah, it sounds like you have your winner already :3.

I tend to think population numbers make a difference in the .dat and min/max portions of a community.
The odds are just better you'll stumble across a fan that can rip and re-skin some models or reverse engineer the battle system when there's a bigger pool to pick from. Which is interesting, but kind of fluffy sometimes.
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It's a 'mixed servers but entirely consensual' sort of thing. But, ah, it sounds like you have your winner already :3.

I tend to think population numbers make a difference in the .dat and min/max portions of a community.
The odds are just better you'll stumble across a fan that can rip and re-skin some models or reverse engineer the battle system when there's a bigger pool to pick from. Which is interesting, but kind of fluffy sometimes.


That's a good point. I did have a lot of custom .dat changes in FFXI that I really liked.
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#39 Jun 24 2010 at 5:50 PM Rating: Default
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You guys are missing my point, the question is not if they can afford the $15 per month. The question is are they going to be willing to pay it? Monthly fees and console gamers is taboo they just don't mix well. If they did then FFXI would be packed full of 360 players, but sadly its not!
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I missed the memo where SE said FFXIV would run well on a "good" computer 2 years from now. So I didn't expect a rig with the latest and greatest right now would still only score a low 5000 on high res. Given a 5000 is not that bad, but if I'm gonna shell out over $1500 for a new PC, I want it to have some lasting power. I thought that maybe the benchmark score was just a number and a PC scoring 5000 would still look amazing with no visible lag, but I could definitely see grass detail lagging on the E3 vids. Every step was blurry ground right under the character's feet then 2 seconds later clear, blurry, clear, blurry, clear. It was annoying, and my husband who was at E3 said they were using top of the line PC's.

I don't want to buy a PS3 and the PS3 version game at release, and then buy a new PC when the technology's finally up to par and buy the PC version of the game. What a waste of money!! $300 + $60 + $1500 + $60 = $1920 to play this game!

Side note: my current PC scored a 230 on benchmark. >_<
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Score: Decent I missed the memo where SE said FFXIV would run well on a "good" computer 2 years from now. So I didn't expect a rig with the latest and greatest right now would still only score a low 5000 on high res. Given a 5000 is not that bad, but if I'm gonna shell out over $1500 for a new PC, I want it to have some lasting power. I thought that maybe the benchmark score was just a number and a PC scoring 5000 would still look amazing with no visible lag, but I could definitely see grass detail lagging on the E3 vids. Every step was blurry ground right under the character's feet then 2 seconds later clear, blurry, clear, blurry, clear. It was annoying, and my husband who was at E3 said they were using top of the line PC's.

I don't want to buy a PS3 and the PS3 version game at release, and then buy a new PC when the technology's finally up to par and buy the PC version of the game. What a waste of money!! $300 + $60 + $1500 + $60 = $1920 to play this game!

Side note: my current PC scored a 230 on benchmark. >_<


Their insane requirements is going to hurt sales forsure, only a fool would believe other wise. The question is how bad is it going to hurt sales. I am going to go out on a limb and say there not going to get more then 1m preorders if they even get that many.
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I am going to go out on a limb and say there not going to get more then 1m preorders if they even get that many.

I doubt they would get more than 1m preorders under any scenario.
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#43 Jun 24 2010 at 6:04 PM Rating: Decent
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I missed the memo where SE said FFXIV would run well on a "good" computer 2 years from now. So I didn't expect a rig with the latest and greatest right now would still only score a low 5000 on high res. Given a 5000 is not that bad, but if I'm gonna shell out over $1500 for a new PC, I want it to have some lasting power. I thought that maybe the benchmark score was just a number and a PC scoring 5000 would still look amazing with no visible lag, but I could definitely see grass detail lagging on the E3 vids. Every step was blurry ground right under the character's feet then 2 seconds later clear, blurry, clear, blurry, clear. It was annoying, and my husband who was at E3 said they were using top of the line PC's.

I don't want to buy a PS3 and the PS3 version game at release, and then buy a new PC when the technology's finally up to par and buy the PC version of the game. What a waste of money!! $300 + $60 + $1500 + $60 = $1920 to play this game!

Side note: my current PC scored a 230 on benchmark. >_<


Tanaka said in an interview a year ago that the system requirements would be very high for the time at launch but that an average PC five years from now would run the game with no problems. An "average" PC five years from now is a "good" PC a couple of years from now.
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Aurelius, once again I think we meet eye to eye on this situation. Is there a planetary shift going on?? lol

Honestly people are over-reacting to this whole thing...you can EASILY build a $600 rig that will play this game at minimum settings. Honestly, why the **** would you want a game where 90% of the users pass the benchmark @8000 and the game isn't out? It seems like only the most bad *** of bad *** computers are even maxing out this benchmark...this means the game is going to be THE most visually pleasing MMO (one of FF's strong point IMO) for a long time to come. This is exactly how a benchmark should work...with only the best of the best reaching full marks at release.

I understand this is a money issue, but SE has given us a plethora of options if that is the case. Here is a very similar system to my current build that hit 3000 on the low settings (I slightly overclocked my CPU and have a quad core...so I suspect this system will hit the low 2000s/high 1000s, meaning the game will be playable):

E5400 Wolfsdale Processor, Antec 300 Case, Asus P5N (this Mobo is SLI ready, so you can even purchase two GPU and a better CPU for increased performance, EVGA GPU (I choose EVGA because they offer an early upgrade program...within the first year of owning your GPU you can return the card and pay the difference in price for an upgraded card!), 4GB DDR2 G.Skill, Seagate Barracuda 250GB.

In my cart the price comes out to $444 plus shipping, handling and taxes. For another $60 you can upgrade to a quad core and solidify your 2000 score.
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You guys are missing my point, the question is not if they can afford the $15 per month. The question is are they going to be willing to pay it? Monthly fees and console gamers is taboo they just don't mix well. If they did then FFXI would be packed full of 360 players, but sadly its not!


TheBSTGuy wrote:
Their insane requirements is going to hurt sales forsure, only a fool would believe other wise. The question is how bad is it going to hurt sales. I am going to go out on a limb and say there not going to get more then 1m preorders if they even get that many.


I know. I stay awake at night crying because we won't have a million preorders due to people disregarding what they have been told. I almost killed myself today over the fact that despite my computer running it just fine, not everyone's will. There are poor people out there with six year old computers who can't run a top of the line game that isn't even out yet, it just frustrates me so much that I question the point of living.

But somehow I'll survive. I just need to take it one day at a time, probably see a therapist, maybe devote myself to a religion so that I could understand how a kind and loving God could let a developer even CONSIDER releasing a graphics intensive game that won't run on some people's systems.

It's so horrible. Hold me, before I cry again.
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#46 Jun 24 2010 at 8:17 PM Rating: Good
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Aurelius, once again I think we meet eye to eye on this situation. Is there a planetary shift going on?? lol

Honestly people are over-reacting to this whole thing...you can EASILY build a $600 rig that will play this game at minimum settings. Honestly, why the @#%^ would you want a game where 90% of the users pass the benchmark @8000 and the game isn't out? It seems like only the most bad *** of bad *** computers are even maxing out this benchmark...this means the game is going to be THE most visually pleasing MMO (one of FF's strong point IMO) for a long time to come. This is exactly how a benchmark should work...with only the best of the best reaching full marks at release.


Quoting myself from a few posts up:

Mikhalia wrote:
Here is my rig:

Processor RAM Power Supply Video Card Motherboard

In total, that'll run you about $600 bucks. Throw that in your case with whatever HD and DVD drive you have, install whatever version of windows you have on it, and it will give you ~4000 on low and ~2500 on high.


Given that the PS3 version will be 720, 4000 is IMO a pretty good score (above average settings) for that price. People keep throwing around this $1500 number, and yeah, you could build a pretty kickass i7 system for that much that could likely get 4000-5000 on 1080, but for 600 bucks worth of parts, I think 4000 on low is perfectly reasonable. It's not top of the line, but then you can't go spend $20,000 on a car and whine that it doesn't have all the features of a Benz or a Porsche.

Well, logical people wouldn't. Some people still would, I guess.
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*Holds Mikhalia* Man that is some sweet, sweet sarcasm. So thick it made me choke a little bit, but the laughter cleared it right up.

But on to a more personal matter. How I am handling the matter of this graphically intensive game.

Rather than complaining I am actively looking forward to playing an MMORPG that had some nice graphics even though my PC is woefully underpowered to play the game. I am at an advantage in that I have a PS3 so I will still be abley based monend my o spe to play at Launch. But I would by and far rather play on PC, so you know what I have done? I have started an upgrade PC savings niche in my bank account. I am not touching that money until I have enough to make my dream machine. My funds are very limited so it will be slow and steady, by calculations it will be a minimum of 9 months from the Launch as long as it stays in 2010, but I will be saving up to spend money on my preferred hobby to get me that nice PC and enjoy the graphically intense game on my preferred platform.

I know there are still plenty of arguments for and against what I am going to do in relation to other people, but that is my tale and personal preference. It can be a nice little story that patience and perseverance can pay off or some kind of crap like that...
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you can run ffxiv on standard settings on a computer that would run about 4-500$ to build, thats really not that bad. My p.o.s. dual core + 9800gt with 4g ram still ran it fine in 720. How old could your computer be? Is it a celeron or something?


And to those of you who think you need a $1500 machine to play the game, a sh*tty computer like mine used goes for around $200 and my video card was 89$ on new egg for a grand total of $289 for you math wizards. It aint' that bad.

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Wow and I thought my drinking problem was bad. People are cutting back on soda to save money for MMOs. Where am I?

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This game was built to take full advantage of the PS3 features from what I recall back in August or November'ish. The PS3 cell processor is very unique and to even attempt at even emulating it from a PC, would cost you well over $3000 at the very least. Think of it this way, with the advent of 64-bit processors, we've only NOW just been able to emulate an N64 or PS2 effectively; and these gaming consoles are WAY old.

The cell processor is very unique and efficient if you know how to program for it, but that would take the patience and know-how of the programmer to make use of it's capabilities. Again, I remember they said that FFXIV was built to fully test the PS3 and from what I've seen they truly mean it.
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lotro isnt a bad game played it for close to 2 years if your a fan of the series it provides alot of backstory to stuff pvp is there if you want honestly given the f2p is gonna cap you at 50 and dosnt start till fall which given ffxiv is sometime in 6 months i would almost say go ahead and do it itll take close to 5 months to get to most of stuff i stopped cause i got a ps3 and didnt want to mess with everything to play other games plus i know zip about upgrading one
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