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#52 Jun 25 2010 at 3:14 AM Rating: Decent
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OP: I was under the impression that SE was meaning "casual player" in a time sense, not a monetary one.

They were talking about making the game playable for those that are under time constraints.

They're thinking long term game life with FFXIV. A few people have mentioned it around the forums, but they're thinking about people that will be buying machines 2+ years from now. Anyways that's my understanding.

To be honest though, $300 for a gaming system that will run it is considerably cheaper than most gamers spend on a pc.
#53 Jun 25 2010 at 3:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Double post : oops

Edited, Jun 25th 2010 5:18am by Nalamwen
#54 Jun 25 2010 at 4:49 AM Rating: Decent
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OP: I was under the impression that SE was meaning "casual player" in a time sense, not a monetary one.


True. But one has to consider that the "casual gamer" isn't willing to fork out a lot of cash to get a new PC or upgrade their existing one. While I'm grateful that SE is making the game more casual friendly, I can't help but wonder what they were thinking in making the requirements to play the game what they are.
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#55 Jun 25 2010 at 11:10 AM Rating: Good
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I gave up Code Red Mt. Dew (mmmmm, I miss it =/) This saves me roughly $6/day (I'm an addict lol)
My wife and I stopped eatting fast food once or twice a week. This save us roughly $20/week.


Wow and I thought my drinking problem was bad. People are cutting back on soda to save money for MMOs. Where am I?

Edited, Jun 24th 2010 10:30pm by GuardianFaith


My fiancee and I once went through our bank records to figure out where all our money was going. From March 1st to May 31st (3 months), I had spent $150 on restaurants and $110 on fast food. She had spent $670 on fast food.

I've cut back on my fast food and we stay at home to make dinner, and she packs a lunch for work now. It has allowed us to save money out of each of our checks every two weeks to put into a honeymoon fund, which is on track to being able to cover our honeymoon costs in April of next year, with an extra 600 left over (overbudgeted in case we have a tough week or two).

My parents told me that doing the same thing is how they afforded theirs.

Honestly, if you order takeout/carryout/fast food at least twice a week (Don't forget to count your lunch at work if you don't pack one), go through your bank statements for 2-3 months and add it up. You'll **** bricks.
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#56TheBSTGuy, Posted: Jun 25 2010 at 11:32 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I love how you guys seem to think a $500 pc is going to run this game. You will be lucky to get 15fps if you even get that much, if thats what you call running it then by all means have at it!
#57 Jun 25 2010 at 1:06 PM Rating: Good
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I love how you guys seem to think a $500 pc is going to run this game. You will be lucky to get 15fps if you even get that much, if thats what you call running it then by all means have at it!


I love how I've posted the exact parts in my system and said that the parts in total (excluding OS) are about $750, and I got a 4000 on low and a 2500 on high.

But I can understand ignoring posts that you can't argue with. You seem the type.

I'm calling you out directly, as I repeat this again: The total value of my system is well under $1000 and scored relatively well on the benchmark (Don't care about hi res since my monitor maxes at 1280x1024)

So shut the @#%^ up about this magical $1500 you need "just to run the game on minimum settings" or some sh*t. $1500 will buy you a pretty good rig that will run the game on pretty good settings, but I have not only stated, several times, that you can run it for less, but I have precisely detailed, TWICE, my exact system and left you open to whip out a calculator and do the math.

Seems to me you're just a console fanboy. If you can take your **** out of your PS3 long enough to respond to this, please explain your choice of:

1) How my parts cost more than I say they do (when I have linked them), or
2) How I'm lying about my benchmark (Which I would be happy to provide a screenshot of)

EDIT: I bought my PSU and GPU on sale. I can't really "prove" that, but the prices I'm giving are their -current- prices, not what I paid for them, so it doesn't matter anyway.

I'm sorry that your computer sucks, but stop sh*tting up every thread that mentions "PC" anywhere. Pretty soon, someone will mention an NPC in a thread and you'll be there talking about how you need a $1500 system to talk to the NPC. Any point you once had has long since been drowned out by your inane repetition of how you can't tell the difference between a "bad" computer, a "good" computer, and a "high end" computer, and because it befuddles you, that must therefore mean no one else can either.

Is a $500 off the shelf computer going to run the game? Probably not. Is a $1500 budget going to build you a great rig that will run it on relatively high settings? Almost certainly.

But you see, there's this magical world that exists between $501 and $1499. And within that magical world there exists systems which balance cost with performance. And if the balance is right, they should run the game fine.

Edited, Jun 25th 2010 3:16pm by Mikhalia
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#58 Jun 25 2010 at 1:14 PM Rating: Good
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Nalamwen wrote:
OP: I was under the impression that SE was meaning "casual player" in a time sense, not a monetary one.

They were talking about making the game playable for those that are under time constraints.

They're thinking long term game life with FFXIV. A few people have mentioned it around the forums, but they're thinking about people that will be buying machines 2+ years from now. Anyways that's my understanding.


Exactly. When FFXI was released stateside, it had already came out a year and a half prior, and was ported from a console that was already two years old then (3 1/2 by the time it came to the US). The graphics were good, but they were already somewhat dated by that point, and the PS2 (now 10 years old) has kept SE from updating them.

This time they're starting from the other end of the coin, rather than release a game with graphics already two years old, they're releasing one that will still be near the top of the line two years from now.

Didn't we have a similar discussion when ToAU was released on DVD-ROM instead of CD-ROM like CoP, and there was moaning and ******** and gnashing of teeth over people with older computers not wanting to shell out $25 for a DVD-ROM drive, blaming the game's requirements for making it unplayable (to them) when the reality was that their system needs to be updated?

It's the same thing again, but with a larger price tag attached this time. SE has set the bar on what you need in order to run it, and people who can't reach that bar are blaming the bar. Most people can look at the situation maturely and say "Yeah, well I guess I needed to upgrade my system and/or buy a PS3 anyway so this looks like a good enough reason for me to do it."

Most people, anyway. There are... exceptions.
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#59 Jun 25 2010 at 1:28 PM Rating: Good
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My computer cost me $700 to build (last year) and I can still pull a 3000 on low.

I can only assume prices have dropped since then, so I can see $500 for one that will run this game.
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#60 Jun 25 2010 at 2:41 PM Rating: Decent
System Builder Marathon, June 2010: $550 Gaming PC

I found a score reference that has same video card model and similar CPU:
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3908 2495 7x64 Pr AMD Phenom II x4 925 2.8 ATI 5770 4 GB DDR3


Edited, Jun 25th 2010 4:57pm by Pseudopsia
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#61 Jun 25 2010 at 6:07 PM Rating: Good
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Pseudopsia wrote:
System Builder Marathon, June 2010: $550 Gaming PC

I found a score reference that has same video card model and similar CPU:
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3908 2495 7x64 Pr AMD Phenom II x4 925 2.8 ATI 5770 4 GB DDR3


Edited, Jun 25th 2010 4:57pm by Pseudopsia


It's a similar score because it's my score >.>

That $545 ring is pretty spiffy for a budget rig. I'd personally replace the Athlon II X3 and aftermarket heatsink/fan with a Phenom II X4 with stock heatsink fan; would cost about $30-40 more but perform better. But I realize the point of the $550 rig was to be UNDER 550 and that would therefore make my idea not count.
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#62 Jun 25 2010 at 8:23 PM Rating: Decent
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She had spent $670 on fast food.


That's a lot of cheeseburgers bro. I think besides the money saved it's also a great choice for improving your health. I mean it may not hurt ya now but if you spent $7,000+/- on fast food each year, you'd probably have a heart attack around 50. I decided to quit drinking for a couple months to give my liver a break. I put away the money I would have spent at the bar or store and counted it after a couple months. I had like $1,000 in my cash box lol. Yet another reason I should write a book about how MMOs save people from self-destruction, not destroy their lives as many people seem to think.
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#63 Jun 25 2010 at 11:35 PM Rating: Good
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She had spent $670 on fast food.


That's a lot of cheeseburgers bro. I think besides the money saved it's also a great choice for improving your health. I mean it may not hurt ya now but if you spent $7,000+/- on fast food each year, you'd probably have a heart attack around 50. I decided to quit drinking for a couple months to give my liver a break. I put away the money I would have spent at the bar or store and counted it after a couple months. I had like $1,000 in my cash box lol. Yet another reason I should write a book about how MMOs save people from self-destruction, not destroy their lives as many people seem to think.


Well, as I alluded to, the problem was that she always ordered takeout/carryout for lunch. So it's not a lot of cheeseburgers, it's a lot of subs, pizza, sandwiches, etc. $15-25 worth of food a day.

But yeah, for all the people who **** and moan over $15/mo, it's less than:

1) Going to a bar and having 3-5 drinks per month.
2) Going to the movies twice per month (not counting food/soda)
3) Going to a club 2-3 times a month (not counting drinks)
4) Renting a movie from a video store/on demand once a week (or a 3 at a time Netflix membership)
5) Buying a new game a month (unless you stick to the bargain bin)
6) Buying a movie a month
7) Three five dollar footlongs (plus tax) (And half of their menu is more than $5 anyway, but I digress)

I could go on, but unless you're playing a game with a cash shop, $15/mo is a pretty cheap hobby. You probably spend more than that on potato chips/pork rinds/your snack of choice.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not taking the position that "X hobby is better than Y hobby"; if you'd rather go bar hopping or go to the theater or what have you, then do whatever you like.

But yeah, all the "wasted time playing games" that people talking about... there are certainly worse ways to spend your time.

Edited, Jun 26th 2010 1:36am by Mikhalia
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