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#1 Jun 25 2010 at 12:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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It won't be in FFXIV of course, realistically speaking.

But why not? Spear & Shield as a weapon combination is omnipresent in history. I've always wondered why the pairing never seems to be exhibited in popular media (video games, movies, books). The sword is ubiquitous when we think of fantasy settings, but in the medieval era that such fantasies draw from, Spear & Shield played a MASSIVE role. Great armies and warriors from all over the world used the combination...Greeks, Romans, Persians, Zulus, Vikings etc. etc.

I used to lurk around the Age of Conan forums back before the game was released. A poster there named HappyWlad kept an FAQ for Spear + Shield back when he was lobbying to get it included in the game. He didn't succeed, but it's worth a read, I think. He's a much stronger advocate for the weapon combination than I am. He writes about its inclusion in AoC, but I think most of the points are just as applicable to FFXIV, or any other fantasy MMORPG. I've transcribed the relevant portions of it here (we'll pick up from his point #4):

HappyWlad, in the Age of Conan Forums wrote:
4. "Spears were just thrown."

Wrong. Thrown spears usually had a distinct name such as pilum or javelin. The spears referenced here are all one handed thrusting spears used as the primary weapon.

6. "But most spear and shield wielders throughout history carried secondary weapons."

Very true. However that choice will never happen because the mechanics of real life are different than the mechanics in a game. In RL I'd have Spear, Shield, back up weapon and throwing weapon, just like the vast majority of spearmen throughout history. Good for formations, good for solo. Its why the combination was so prevalent throughout history.

But MMO’s don’t support the use of secondary weapons because of an almost zealot like dedication to the concept of “weapon specialization” in order to feign depth in their combat systems. Until someone breaks the mold and creates a combat system based on armor, range, weapon skill, weapon type, weapon durability, morale and other real-time terrain/situational factors we are stuck with everyone using just one weapon, because it’s the one they are specialized in, otherwise they are gimped.

In MMOs: its all or nothing weapon wise. So if FC says its completely OK to use a two handed pike in single combat, I see no reason why I can't use Spear and Shield in single combat.


7. "Spear and Shield is just a Greek thing."

Unfortunately, this could not be more wrong. The most common weapon combination in the ancient and medieval world, is the spear and shield. Making a game based on ancient and medieval combat without spear and shield is like making game on World War 2 without the bolt action rifle. In addition to the Greeks, 40 other nations were brought up as using the spear and shield. Just look at the Bayeux tapestry, it depicts the Battle of Hastings and 95% of the warriors depicted are carrying a spear AND shield.

If you don’t want to enter the realm of scholarly research, are afraid of the internets or [are] allergic to the library, take a look at the Total War series of games, in particular the “realism” mods. EVERY FACTION has a spear and shield line of units. Every one.


8. "Haha, I got ya! Wlad yer all jacked up and a moron: the Romans used the gladius/shield and THREW thier spear. (which were called 'pilum' btw) Everybody knows this."

From the Severian Reforms until the Marian Reforms, the Triarii carried a hasta, which is a thrusting spear, in addition to a short sword, at least according to Livy, in Ab Urbe Condita


9. "But AoC isn’t about large formations of soldiers, it’s about heroes and duel-like fights."

The Spear and Shield excels in formations, this is true. However, soldiers outside of formation still had to learn to fight solo with what they had. In the chaos of combat soldiers inevitable got separated from their units. They had to fight solo or in a small groups with their spears and shield just like anyone else who was separated from their unit. This is even backed up in history with Socrates’ account of his experiences after the Battle of Delium. During that rout, Socrates (the philosopher) as part of the Athenian army, did a fighting retreat protecting the wounded Alcibiades all the way back to Athens and safety. Whenever the victorious Boeotians came close enough to dispatch the retreating duo, Socrates fought them off by himself using a spear and shield. His prowess with the spear and shield was enough to dissuade most Boeotians to go after easier prey. Socrates and Alcibiades survived Delium when not many Athenians did because of Socrates fighting with the spear and shield solo.

Also, Spear and Shield is not limited to heavy phalanx infantrymen either. There are many accounts in history of light mobile troops, who don’t fight in formation, utilizing the long or short thrusting spear coupled with a shield. Greek peltasts were an example of this. This also includes many nations who did not fight in formations for example, many natives from Africa, the Americas and Australia.

Three types of Roman gladiators used the spear and shield: Samnites, Hoplomachi and Velites. These don’t include gladiators who used tridents one handed (which is just a 3 pronged spear).

There are numerous sagas, ballads and songs throughout history in which the heroes were armed with a spear and shield, in particular, Irish/Celtic ballads (All of the Cycles), Norse sagas and an excellent poem on the Battle of Maldon. ****, Milton even wrote about the Spear and Shield in “Paradise Lost.”

Finally, there are several martial arts (both modern and historical) which use spear and shield solo and one handed including African or Philippine stick fighting and Thang Ta, an Indian martial art. The Greek Pankration martial art is directly derived from spear and shield usage. Also, police use a “Spear and Shield” technique for riot control, in and out of formation.

And this rolls into another reason why I'm advocating Spear and Shield: because they were common. So where are they in AoC? The most popular weapon combination in warfare is missing from the entire background of this game. When I see a Gunderman guard in Tarantia, (which I find funny because no one in Tarantia admits to being a Gunderman so far in game) what will he be armed with? A sword and shield and not his national weapon? That’s like not including the M16 in the FPS, America's Army. What will the player or NPC town levies be armed with? Katanas?


10. The only reasons you would choose Spear and Shield over Sword/axe and Shield is because you're poor.

I’d choose it so I can have reach combined with defense. (Which is why Hoplomachi and Samnite gladiators fought with Spear and Shield.)

I'd choose Spear and Shield because I'd kill a swordsman or an axeman before he got to me and if he got close, I'd shield bash and then stick him again. And I wouldn't drop my spear in single combat before I got a chance to use it. I'd keep it for the reach and use my Mad Happy Wlad skillz to keep my opponent at a distance. Since its solo combat, Ill have the space to that.

But before you completely attack those statements, let me point out that I'm just using them to show its all about training and experience, not what weapon you use.


11. "But this isn’t history, this is fantasy."

This is a complete cop out, because if it works in history, it can definately work in fantasy. Isn’t the Spear and Shield just as good an option for single combat as say....O, I don't know...a halberd? If FC can make a halberd effective in fantastic single combat, then surely they can do the same for Spear and Shield.

In historic settings with fantastic themes (which the definition of REH’s Hyboria), spear and shield is an excellent option for single person combat.


13. "All you can do with a spear is "thrust thrust thrust."

Saying the only thing a spear can do is "thrust thrust thrust" is like saying the only thing an axe can do is "chop chop chop". The only difference between a "thrust" animation and a "chop" animation is a simple wrist movement. The REAL difference in the combat animations is the rest of the body's movements, which have very little to do with the weapon.


14. "But, uhhhh, it doesn’t look cool."

That’s a pretty subjective statement. I think it looks cool. The Romans went to see their spear and shield equipped gladiators in droves, they must have thought it was “cool.” And it doesn’t have to look cool to kicka--, which would eventually make it cool anyway. For me and some others, winnng in combat is more important than bling. Besides, the spear and shield hasn’t been depicted in entertainment very often but when it has it was phenomenal. Just think Achilles and Hector’s fight in the movie "Troy", the movie "300" or Prince Oberyn's and Gregor Clegane's fight in GRR Martin's A Storm of Swords. Making it look ‘cool’ just takes some creative leadership.


15. "But it's a peasant's weapon."

We start off as slaves with a broken oar or broken bottle in AoC. A Spear and Shield would then be an upgrade.


16. Phalanxs won't work in AoC."

Nobody is advocating a phalanx...well, at least I'm not. A phalanx in an MMO would be pretty boring IMO. On the other hand, Spear and Shield in a 6-12 man formation would rock in an MMO.


17. "Spear and shield has been done to death, we would be like every other MMO out there…..O, never mind."
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May your Shield be Strong and your Spear be Long!

Wlad



So...

Could it work in FFXIV? I certainly think so. For balancing reasons (and scaling), the type of spears that might be paired with shields would have to be separate from the 2-handed ones used by lancers. Label them "1-handed spears" or "short spears", or something of the like. Gladiator is defined by its sword usage, so it would have to fall to a new class. Perhaps say, Sentinel? *wink*

Really I just like the look of it. And I think movies like The 300 and Troy have shown that you can make Spear + Shield look cool/****. The historical relevance is there, it's entirely feasible to implement, so why doesn't Spear + Shield ever get any love?


Edited, Jun 25th 2010 2:12pm by Eske
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#2 Jun 25 2010 at 12:20 PM Rating: Decent
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I think that it is completely doable and would be a cool addition to the game. I don't think that it will happen though. Mainly because what you are suggesting would be a combo of lancer and gladiator as they have already been established on the website. Not saying it is not a good idea, just saying I doubt it will be implemented.
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#3 Jun 25 2010 at 12:25 PM Rating: Good
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Mimedestroyer wrote:
I think that it is completely doable and would be a cool addition to the game. I don't think that it will happen though. Mainly because what you are suggesting would be a combo of lancer and gladiator as they have already been established on the website. Not saying it is not a good idea, just saying I doubt it will be implemented.


Oh believe me, I know it's not going to happen. Consider this my eulogy to the possibility of Spear + Shield in yet another MMORPG :P

I was just ruminating on why you never see the combo.

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Personally I don't think this is happening. But, if you crave some shield/spear action and don't own a PS3 for FFXIV yet; I suggest Demons' Souls and a PS3 (for FFXIV too :P). Not only this is a fantastic game but it lets you use this combo or ditch the shield and two hand the spear. There are two types of spears there... don't remember the names but with one you could thrust and the other one just lets you slash. The thrusting spear was great for hallways since with the slashing you didn't have enough room to swing it.

Awesome game and a perfect example of the points stated in the FAQ you quoted.

I would love if they added this to the options for a lancer.

Edited, Jun 25th 2010 2:27pm by ashikenshin
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#5 Jun 25 2010 at 12:31 PM Rating: Good
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ashikenshin wrote:
Personally I don't think this is happening. But, if you crave some shield/spear action and don't own a PS3 for FFXIV yet; I suggest Demons' Souls and a PS3 (for FFXIV too :P). Not only this is a fantastic game but it lets you use this combo or ditch the shield and two hand the spear. There are two types of spears there... don't remember the names but with one you could thrust and the other one just lets you slash. The thrusting spear was great for hallways since with the slashing you didn't have enough room to swing it.

Awesome game and a perfect example of the points stated in the FAQ you quoted.

I would love if they added this to the options for a lancer.

Edited, Jun 25th 2010 2:27pm by ashikenshin


Ah, yes. Though I HATED Demons' Souls, I did love that they allowed you to use that combo. And it was so useful, for the reasons that you pointed out. It was great to strategically box an enemy into the wall and poke them to death (though I do wish that there were more than 1 animation for the "poke"). Scraping Spear FTW. I also got a lot of mileage out of my Mirdan Hammer, which was a combination hammer/spear/guisarme.

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This is one thing I like about DDO; it's not really "wrong" to pick one weapon over another. There are arguably poorer choices (Paladin with a dagger, Rogue with a greataxe) but for the most part, there are options abailable to any class within their own proficiencies. Anyone with a martial weapon proficiency can use longsword, short sword, rapier, mace, etc.... there are slightly better and slightly worse options (and situational choices like offhanding a dagger if you're dual wielding and don't have TWF) but few "wrong" ones.

I'd like to see in FFXI if melee based classes all had several weapon options that were equally valid. Going from FFXI jobs:

Paladin should have been able to use mace and sword at least.
I see no reason why dragoon shouldn't have been able to use a sword and shield (Kain from FFXIV could) if they wanted.
Warrior should have had axe/sword/mace/just about everything.

I know these classes could equip other weapons, but with a sparse few exceptions (Polearm SAM, Ridill/Joyeuse/Kraken), jobs were pretty much limited to using their highest ranked weapons. If it was a C or lower, don't even -try- equipping it in an xp group. Whiff, whiff, whiff... sure you could overgear for a ******* of acc to compensate but then not only are you already dealing less damage because your attack is lower due to a lower skill, but you're losing out on other melee stats that you're gearing for DEX/Acc instead of.

Also, I'm totally in agreement that 1H spear should be in more games. I never really thought of it till you pointed it out, but you're right.
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#7 Jun 25 2010 at 2:52 PM Rating: Decent
There's one reason why the spear + shield idea could simply never work in FFXIV...

The servers couldn't handle all of the "THIS IS SPARTA!!" macro spam.
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There's one reason why the spear + shield idea could simply never work in FFXIV...

The servers couldn't handle all of the "THIS IS SPARTA!!" macro spam.


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The One and Only Aurelius wrote:
There's one reason why the spear + shield idea could simply never work in FFXIV...

The servers couldn't handle all of the "THIS IS SPARTA!!" macro spam.


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Perhaps this combination is possible? Think about abilities that could be equiped.

SheildBearer: As seen in FF Tactics, allows equiping a shield regardless of class. Possibly learned by gladiators.

MonkeyGrip: As seen in FF Tactics, allows the equiping of 2handed weapons in one hand.
Possibly learned by any class that uses 2handed weapons.

Combine these in the passive area of skill selection and you've got it made. Of course, having not been in alpha, I have no idea whether or not they are actually in the game. Its all speculation on my part though.
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Spear and shield were main tactics against cavalry and chariots, and at the forefront of battles. So I think to incorporate this is more of a tactic. If you think of someone with a shield and spear, the spear is very heavy in the hand because of the length, and you can only make stab movements. This works well to bleed the enemy. But you also have very little control when something gets in the way, say a sword, glancing it away. It may be a viable weapon, but it will also have much deeper penalties than a sword. A great example is the game Demon's Souls. When an enemy wields a shield and spear, they tend to attack in a stabbing fashion. But if you happen to block the attack, their weapon goes high into the air and it takes them a while to recover, and leaves them visibly open for a counter attack. If you had a sword instead, your recovery time would be much faster, since it is shorter and has less consequence.
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OP, ever played Monster Hunter Tri? Lance and Shield played correctly is probably the best weapon in the game. Really fun game, too.
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I loved the class in LotR:O that used a spear and shield. It was like playing a spartan. And no, i didn't have a "THIS IS SPARTA!" macro....mine was "THIS IS CAKETOWN!"
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Seems to me like they resorted to spears because those were cheap to make. Just a small piece of metal (stone for the really cheap bastards) on top of a wooden stick. Honestly considering the epic battles you would be doing in Final Fantasy and also the amount of them, they wouldn't last long.
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Seems to me like they resorted to spears because those were cheap to make. Just a small piece of metal (stone for the really cheap bastards) on top of a wooden stick. Honestly considering the epic battles you would be doing in Final Fantasy and also the amount of them, they wouldn't last long.


I don't really know why that should matter, especially considering that spears are already in the game.

But as far as realism goes, while spears were certainly cost-effective, it wasn't just something limited to peasants and infantrymen. The spear was historically regarded quite well...famous generals and warriors carried them too. There are numerous legendary spears that FFXIV can (and probably will) draw from that we've seen crop up in video games. Gungnir, the spear of Odin, or Gae Bulg, the spear of Cú Chulainn, are good examples.

There's no reason that such weapons need to be represented as "just a small piece of metal on top of a wooden stick" (although that may often be the case). But what's wrong with wood, anyway? Odin's spear was carved from the magic tree Yggdrasil. Wooden, sure. But that doesn't make it less cool. Perhaps they could slap some flame decals on it : )

Spears in FFXI were usually represented as being composed entirely of metal. That's fine by me, even if it's not exactly historically accurate. I can suspend my disbelief. After all, it's a minor issue, and the game has magic, so meh.

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White Knight Chronicles also had a spear/shield combo. According to my friend that finished the game, it was one of the better weapons. It looked good, too.
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OP, ever played Monster Hunter Tri? Lance and Shield played correctly is probably the best weapon in the game. Really fun game, too.


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White Knight Chronicles also had a spear/shield combo. According to my friend that finished the game, it was one of the better weapons. It looked good, too.


Good to hear that it's making some appearances.

Someone on the board also once suggested TERA Online. I found their use of spear + shield to be pretty comical, though. The "spears" are actually gigantic overscaled cavalry lances, and the shields are humongous tower shields. It looks absolutely bizarre to see that combination being wielded.

Combine that with the skimpy, more-of-a-bikini-than-armor equipment that the female characters are relegated too, and I think the game looks like one big, cartoonish, joke:

http://www.tera-source.com/wp-content/gallery/lancer/lancer02.jpg


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warden class in lotro it is a dd tank spear sheild mostly you can throw a javalin and you have a sneak jump attack
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Well I see no reason not to have it except two possible arguments:

1) videogame mechanics don't work like irl mechanics. Range changes too fast and you don't have formations against formations with collision detection and the such. This isn't really a reason *not* to have it though. Its a reason not to favor it, but its not a reason not to have it.

2) We're all heroes. Spear+shield was generally used in tactical formation. The best remembered of course is the greek phalanx. However, we're not foot soldiers, we're the badass heroes of mythical legend that slay damsels and woo dragons. Again though, this is more a reason not to favor it, not a reason to not include it.
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There's no reason that such weapons need to be represented as "just a small piece of metal on top of a wooden stick"


I guess, but I really don't see how a full metal spear could be handled with just one hand.
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#21 Jun 26 2010 at 12:30 PM Rating: Decent
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There's no reason that such weapons need to be represented as "just a small piece of metal on top of a wooden stick"


I guess, but I really don't see how a full metal spear could be handled with just one hand.


It could be a hollow tube for a shaft...

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from the little I've read, being no expert, what I've heard that, in 1on1 situations a spear and shield is just going to be worse than a sword and shield. A spear held two handed in a 1on1 fight is going to be more successful than wielding the spear in one hand with a shield. but blah blah blah real life don't matter this is a Fantasy Vidyagame.

but man, did Spear+Shield kick a lot of *** in Monster Hunter 1. Block poke poke
Also pretty good in Demon's Souls (as far as not-Mirdan Hammer weapons go)

If you look in FFXI concept art, the Dragoon AF is depicted with a shield. In FF4, 5, 6 spears were also a one handed weapon with shields equipable on the other hand.
I'm happy with the spear wielded in both hands though, the DS FF4 opening of Kain diving from the sky is very cool imagery. In FFXI and what I've seen of the Alpha, spear skills focus on avoiding being hit and lowering Hate, so a shield seems unlikely at this point.

How about Spear+Sword dual wield ? That's a heroic combination in Asian stories, and I believe it's mentioned in Lord of the Rings too with the old elf kings. Unlikely combo though heheh.


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Though I HATED Demons' Souls

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I also got a lot of mileage out of my Mirdan Hammer

What.
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I destroyed so many in pvp (including zeal paladins) with my javelin/shield jabazon. She was my favorite toon. I had a bowazon, hybrid (bow/javelin), lightning fury (throwing), and pure jabazon at 99 fully geared and my Javelin zon was by far the toughest of the 4 all around. I would so use spear/shield.

*oh this is in Diablo II LoD for those who didn't play it.

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But what's wrong with wood, anyway? Odin's spear was carved from the magic tree Yggdrasil. Wooden, sure. But that doesn't make it less cool.


petrified wood can be like rock. Looks cool too, all gnarly in the literal sense of the word.
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I guess, but I really don't see how a full metal spear could be handled with just one hand.


Well, that's how they represented it in FFXI, at least. It's just one of those things where you have to suspend your disbelief. There were many weapons in FFXI that weren't realistic to carry...many of the Great Swords come to mind. And there were many more which didn't come remotely close to being practical weapons. But that's part of what makes it fantasy.

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I also got a lot of mileage out of my Mirdan Hammer


What.


I gave the game a fighting chance. I bought it based on what I took from the strong reviews it was getting across the board. I ended up selling it a few weeks later because Gamestop was doing that double payout for used games.

There were many aspects of the game that I liked, but ultimately the negatives hampered the experience too much for me. The lack of any armor progression was a big deal-breaker, as was the constant repetition through the same environments. There just wasn't enough variety to keep me interested in grinding away to progress in Demons' Souls.

Now, that's just my opinion. I can completely understand why people would like the game (I do think that IGN was off their rocker when they gave it game of the year, however).



PS: Am I the only one that finds that screenshot that I linked above from TERA Online ridiculous? I can't be the only one...

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Demon's Souls was very repetitive, but it has what so many games lack. A great story and it is very difficult to complete all stages. It is the first game since FFXI that made me want to beat it into the ground, because it was so hard.
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This is madness!!

Edit: OMG I just read the rest of the thread... It won't work now!
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There's a Spear+Shield class in LoTRO called Warden. I played one up to the mid 20's and it was pretty fun. They concentrated on building up combo attacks using 3 basic attacks, a spear thrust, a shield slam, and a scream (think Provoke).

Depending on what order you used these abilities in, it would unlock different combo abilities such as increaded defense, a strong spear attack, a kick to the face that would stun and even such things as HoT's.

Warden class info at wiki if you're interested.

Not sure how well something like that would work in XIV, but there it is, lol.

Edited, Jun 26th 2010 11:34pm by Mathisyn
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Spear and Shield was in Demon's Souls and I love the combination, IIRC you could also use the spear with your shield guarding yourself.
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No, I would also call it ridiculous. I can see where playing that character might be fun though :P

And I don't know that you can even call that a bikini... looks more like body paint. lol
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Mathisyn wrote:
There's a Spear+Shield class in LoTRO called Warden. I played one up to the mid 20's and it was pretty fun. They concentrated on building up combo attacks using 3 basic attacks, a spear thrust, a shield slam, and a scream (think Provoke).

Depending on what order you used these abilities in, it would unlock different combo abilities such as increaded defense, a strong spear attack, a kick to the face that would stun and even such things as HoT's.

Warden class info at wiki if you're interested.

Not sure how well something like that would work in XIV, but there it is, lol.

Edited, Jun 26th 2010 11:34pm by Mathisyn


Seems pretty badass:

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I'm seeing some clipping issues with the spears going through the shields, but no big deal.

Maybe I should pick up LOTRO for a bit, seeing as its free to play now. At least until FFXIV gets released :P

Still working on Dragon Age at the moment, though.




Edited, Jun 27th 2010 9:21am by Eske
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Yea when a character is one-handing a weapon that is larger than they are and it's made of metal, that is when it enters the realms of ridiculousness.
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I'm seeing some clipping issues with the spears going through the shields, but no big deal.

Maybe I should pick up LOTRO for a bit, seeing as its free to play now. At least until FFXIV gets released :P

Still working on Dragon Age at the moment, though.




Edited, Jun 27th 2010 9:21am by Eske


LOTRO will be FTP in the fall, so you've still got a bit of a wait. It's still worth trying out though, as it's definitely one of the better MMO's out there currently, and a good way to spend the time until XIV.

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Spear + shield is the best combo in Demon's souls.
It's also a great combo in Monster Hunter Tri.
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LOTRO will be FTP in the fall, so you've still got a bit of a wait. It's still worth trying out though, as it's definitely one of the better MMO's out there currently, and a good way to spend the time until XIV.

Edited, Jun 28th 2010 8:23pm by Serielley


Ah, my bad. That makes sense.
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