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#102 Jul 01 2010 at 3:13 AM Rating: Decent
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A PC gamer will say "well this game is just starting a few problems are to be expected". A console gamer will say "OMG WTF THIS GAME SUCKS" and cancel their subscription.


lol that's hella funny.

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XI was on the PS2 first, you know....

Not in the US it wasn't. AND IM AN AMURICAN SO THATS ALL I CARE ABOUT. GRATZI!
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#103 Jul 01 2010 at 3:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Wow, I am so happy to hear it is released already in September, was really unexpected for me. Only thing that has me worried though is that they are releasing this soon and there are still only two magic classes announced. I was hoping for a couple more, but with this announcement I sorta doubt I will get anything more. Oh well, I am sure the existing ones will be awesome anyway, so yay, September!!!
#104 Jul 01 2010 at 5:22 AM Rating: Good
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This game was debuted at E3 2009 (A CONSOLE gaming expo) and as short as 2 weeks ago they stated a simultaneous release.

I bought your crappy Add-Ons SE. I bought your Token SE. I even defended you when you screwed over your loyal fan base time and time again in FFXI but with this announcement SE you have @#%^ed me over for the last time.

I will not buy FFXIV in 2011. SE will not make another dime from me.


E3 is not a console gaming expo. Where did you get that idea? Its multi-platform and always has been.

Why did you buy the addons if they were "crappy"?
Why did you buy a security token you didnt want?
Why did you "defend" a company that "@#%^ed you over"?

You seem a rather silly person! Especially if you think that some sort of eProtest is going to work!
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#105 Jul 01 2010 at 5:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Can't wait, its going to be awesome! Only thing I'm kind of bummed about is the lack of a pet class atm. Oh well. Date was a big surprise atleast for me.

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#106 Jul 01 2010 at 7:10 AM Rating: Decent
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Looks like it's time to let some bills fall by the wayside so I can build a pc worthy of playing this game at the level it should be lol. C'mon SE...a little more heads up woulda been nice! >.<
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#107 Jul 01 2010 at 5:00 PM Rating: Good
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Looks like it's time to let some bills fall by the wayside so I can build a pc worthy of playing this game at the level it should be lol. C'mon SE...a little more heads up woulda been nice! >.<


ermmm. I cannot recommend you do this.......
#108 Jul 01 2010 at 5:21 PM Rating: Good
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the question here is : FFXIV .....rushed or not?



I think it would be difficult Not to call it rushed at this point. They've greatly shortened the Beta time the devs had hoped for and temporarily shelved one version of the game to make a release date no one would have guessed at 24 hours ago.

If you thought Tanaka looked tired in the video, wait til we see him come September....


Yeah, like I said, these release date/expectation mistakes are a result of lack of communication between marketing/PR, developers/planners, and programmers/designers. It's the result of one group promising things that another group that can not deliver on, and the end result, once everyone sits down and someone finally says "No, we can't do that, why in the **** would you say we could?", is that EVERYONE is ****** and frustrated and overworked.

It's not appropriate for marketing to tell the end user something when they clearly haven't consulted with the ones doing the work regarding the feasibility.

I do feel like the September thing sounds like someone higher up with absolutely no understanding of the product decided "We (and by 'we', I mean, the people who work for me) can do it!", and the end result on Tanaka's face is probably mirrored across everyone involved on XIV. Just as some players are looking at September and getting excited, I would imagine that the programmers are looking at their bosses and calendars and thinking "Are you ******* kidding me?"

I'm looking forward to September and all that, but I'd be fine with waiting a couple more months to be sure the final product is a finished, polished one. They even admitted the Alpha was rushed when they said that the battle system was just thrown together because what they wanted to do would have taken longer. If the Alpha was rushed, how rushed is the beta? How rushed will the final game be?

I'm as much a fan of an earlier than anticipated release of the next guy, but not at the cost of the loss of sanity and sleep deprivation of the people building it.

I don't think it's fair to the people doing the actual work that SM is making a decision like this. That won't stop me from buying it, but I still think it's unfair to them.
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#109 Jul 01 2010 at 6:07 PM Rating: Good
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Sorry if this has been covered somewhere, but I have a question.

September 22nd where? I live in Australia. For the most part, we are about a day ahead (22 of September in the US is 23 of September in Aus).

Just trying to figure out which days I should take off from work :P
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#110 Jul 02 2010 at 8:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, that's dissapointing.

An earlier release than expected makes me worry that they are rushing, and the 6 month wait until PS3 just makes me wonder even more if they are pushing the PC ahead at the cost of the PS3.

But the worst bit of it is that half of my friends will be able to play on PC, and the other half will not. Neither my girlfriend nor my flat mate can get a hold of a good enough PC on their budgets, so they wont be able to play until next year. I was looking forward to being there at the start of a new MMO with my closest friend, exploring the truly unknown all together. So I guess I'll be missing the all exciting beginning, and by the time I join half my friends will be all savvied up on all the game has to offer already, and I have to say that's taken a huge amount of shine from the excitement I've personally had for this game. I now hope that the rest of the level cap changes in FFXI are awesome. Before I didn't care much.

It's accademic as to whether or not SE planned this. In interviews there has been no mention of a stagered release by platform, and the offical sites list both PC and PS3 as the available platforms. They have been quick to assure that a 2010 release was still in the works, without any warning that such a target can only be hit on PC. And there have been ample opportunities to do so long before now, and their failure to do so is what is so dissapointing. To be so sure about a PC only release date they must have known about the possibility of not supporting PS3 from the get go for some time now. They have intentionally built expectations and then thrown them away at the nth hour. It's unprofessional, and far from comforting for those of us who already have reservations about the way SE operates and communicates with its customers.
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#111 Jul 02 2010 at 9:04 AM Rating: Good
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@Gii, could pool your money together to get one a good pc at a time ;). then when that ones done work on next persons :P
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#112 Jul 02 2010 at 12:05 PM Rating: Good
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I'm a developer and marketing people really get under my skin. If this game is getting pushed out early and they are the ones responsible, then they clearly don't realize how critical an MMO's launch is to its future success. If the game the buggy and incomplete in the first week or two, many people will quit and never look back again. No matter how much improved the game is later on, those subscribers will be lost forever. I hope the FFXIV developers can pull this off smoothly.

It also means features might be cut for launch - like character customization options, in order to meet marketing's deadline. If these are completed after launch, will we be able to update our characters or will we be stuck with the same five hairstyles forever?

As for the PC requirements for an MMO changing over time, I remember when it was announced that Everquest would no longer support Windows 95 (if I recall, due to DirectX) - when Windows 95 was still widely in use. I was so irritated that I was going to have to purchase and install a new version of windows for the two machines I used to play on. (>_<)!
#113 Jul 02 2010 at 9:58 PM Rating: Good
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I don't know why everyone is so bummed about these ingame items. They will not be game-breaking in any way!
Look at the other goofy items SE "rewarded" us with. A moogle helmet, a cape that we can use to teleport to a crag, and now an onion helmet that helps us rest faster ( probably barely noticeable knowing SE). Relax on it already. The items will suck just like the previous ones.
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#114 Jul 02 2010 at 10:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, that's dissapointing.

An earlier release than expected makes me worry that they are rushing, and the 6 month wait until PS3 just makes me wonder even more if they are pushing the PC ahead at the cost of the PS3.

But the worst bit of it is that half of my friends will be able to play on PC, and the other half will not. Neither my girlfriend nor my flat mate can get a hold of a good enough PC on their budgets, so they wont be able to play until next year. I was looking forward to being there at the start of a new MMO with my closest friend, exploring the truly unknown all together. So I guess I'll be missing the all exciting beginning, and by the time I join half my friends will be all savvied up on all the game has to offer already, and I have to say that's taken a huge amount of shine from the excitement I've personally had for this game. I now hope that the rest of the level cap changes in FFXI are awesome. Before I didn't care much.

It's accademic as to whether or not SE planned this. In interviews there has been no mention of a stagered release by platform, and the offical sites list both PC and PS3 as the available platforms. They have been quick to assure that a 2010 release was still in the works, without any warning that such a target can only be hit on PC. And there have been ample opportunities to do so long before now, and their failure to do so is what is so dissapointing. To be so sure about a PC only release date they must have known about the possibility of not supporting PS3 from the get go for some time now. They have intentionally built expectations and then thrown them away at the nth hour. It's unprofessional, and far from comforting for those of us who already have reservations about the way SE operates and communicates with its customers.

Fully agree.. From the reaction, it's clear that they'll be losing some PS3 users over this; the question is how many..? No one wants to start an MMO they've been dying to play half a year late.

I was planning on starting on the PS3, and then putting together a high end PC to really enjoy this game.. Now, I have to figure a way to get my current PC to run the game, though I never intended it to.. I feel for all the PS3-only players who won't be able to play until 2011 (if I'm unlucky, I may be one of them). Giving people two months and change on this serious launch discrepancy is not okay in my opinion.

What a way to kick off XIV.. Here's to hoping things improve from here on in.
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#115 Jul 03 2010 at 8:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Someone mentioned that this could be in response to the WoW Beta NDA being lifted, but I doubt it. If anything, I would think it's the other way around. Blizzard's pretty fond of starting testing on PTR/Beta and usually (not always) those announcements come really early in the morning and not mid-afternoon like Cata's was.

If anything, I'd say that Blizzard has been keeping their eye FFXIV and the moment that it's release date for PC was announced, they immediately initiated Beta testing. Are they worried? I doubt it, but they know it *is* the closest competition they've got in comparison and the shift from Alpha to Beta was *REALLY* abrupt in comparison to TBC/WotLK's betas.
#116 Jul 03 2010 at 8:53 PM Rating: Decent
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For those that keep harping about how the PC is going to be the future of FF14, and yadda yadda yadda, try to scare PS3 players into telling them that their consoles are gonna become obsolete and even make the claim that some day in the future, they might not be able to play the game because FF14 will "up" the specs with the expansions. Then top it off by using a ridiculous "parallel" (if you want to call it that) by using WoW as an example. You really need to analyze what you are talking about, because you're honestly not talking about the same thing here.

1.) As long as FF14 is ported to both the PC and the PS3, the game will remain limited in some way shape or form in order to retain BOTH fanbases. They can't just one day say "Ok, because our new expansion requires that you buy a new computer, we're going to say '***** it' to the PS3 crowd and keep the PC crowd" it ain't going to happen, that's a ridiculously bad business decision. It's up there with the decision to push the NGE in Star Wars Galaxies. They will have to allow BOTH players to be able to play, REGARDLESS of what changes the expansions may bring, or none at all. The repercussions of this kind of decision making would be staggering.

2.) To use WoW as a parallel to compare, is extremely short sighted. Yes, WoW is an MMO, so was Everquest. But guess what? NEITHER of those two were ported to consoles. So of course, they could change the specs at their hearts content because they KNEW that their core players (the PC crowd) would eventually upgrade their computer ANYWAY, so it wouldn't be a big deal, add to that, the fact that the spec changes (at least for the WoTLK expansion) are VERY minimal to where most anybody could easily afford to upgrade their system, and you can easily see how these changes didn't really upset anyone.

FF14 on the other hand, is an MMO that is going to be ported to the PS3 as well as the PC, so guess what? To the person who tried to use WoW as an example, they should honestly should have used FFXI as an example as to whether SE made any GREAT Spec changes to the game that ended up forcing PS2 players to buy a PC or stop playing. Since FFXI, like FF14 is going to be ported to both platforms. So please, don't try and scare players here into thinking that one day they won't be able to play FF14 on their PS3's because that just ain't gonna happen, and stop the smug "PC's are better than PS3's dur!" comments because honestly, they only help create a divide and animosity that we really don't need in game. Already a couple of players here have admitted they plan on using both systems, so please... lets cut the PC v. PS3 crap now before it gets out of hand.
#117 Jul 03 2010 at 9:29 PM Rating: Good
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I couldn't care less about what WoW is doing or when as it relates to FFXIV.

As far as I'm concerned, Cataclysm will launch whenever it does and FFXIV will launch whenever it does. I quit WoW and FFXI, I plan to play XIV whenever it comes out and don't really care about Cataclysm.

As far as I'm concerned, if there's anyone out there who is going to play "whichever comes first", then let Cataclysm come out on September 21st. I'll live without them. Leave XIV to the people that want to play XIV; the people who just want to play whatever is available won't be missed.
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#118 Jul 11 2010 at 8:53 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm both, happy and concerned.

Happy

- cause FFXIV is really getting launched in 2010, at least PC version.

Concerned

- September release date, i dunno why, but i have a felling that says that this is a rushing releasing. and to be honest, the last MMOs i've played, they all were launched with lots of bugs / lack of content, and with less than a year after release, most of them have only have a hand full of servers. players need to be treated with respect !

- like everybody, i was expecting PS3 release to be the same has PC, or have some sort of delay of 1-2 weeks between both ( to prevent server issues ). but 6 months, seems like something is really wrong at SE. planning ? some other MMO competitor ? i can play either PS3 or PC version, but not everybody can.

- about SE old habits, still charging money for extra char. FF XI was the only MMO i've played that had this charge plan, and it continues and gets worse with FF XIV. what's this for ? an extra buck at end of month ?
#119 Jul 11 2010 at 9:02 AM Rating: Decent
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As much as I love the idea of playing a heavily-anticipated game as soon as possible, I can't help but agree with the concerns about SE rushing into things a bit quickly. As far as I can tell, there are still some serious problems with the game that need addressing. With the release of beta just yesterday, will they be able to collect feedback and make the vital changes in time for the live release? I hope so, but I'd really, really prefer they take their time with this important stage of development until they know for sure that the online community is going to heavily enjoy their product.

But I'll put some money down on pre-ordering the CE and see how the beta progresses, hoping for the best.
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#120 Jul 11 2010 at 3:55 PM Rating: Decent
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cormer wrote:

- like everybody, i was expecting PS3 release to be the same has PC, or have some sort of delay of 1-2 weeks between both ( to prevent server issues ). but 6 months, seems like something is really wrong at SE. planning ? some other MMO competitor ? i can play either PS3 or PC version, but not everybody can.


The extra time is to make up for the differences in the platforms. You can't just wave a magic wand and make it compile and run correctly on a different architecture and operating system. Not every platform CAN run the same exact lines of code; and even if they could, they wouldn't necessarily run it the same way. I think it's annoying when people are just like, "It runs on Windows XP, why doesn't it run on a Mac and XBox?" They don't realize that once one version of a program is written, it takes more time to rewrite it for a different system. Entire chunks of code may have to be replaced, whole algorithms revised, simply because one system doesn't have a way to do something that the original system would. And yes, that DOES take time to do. Was it wrong of S-E to promise the two versions having the same release date without being certain of it? Of course. Is there something "really wrong" with the development process on this game? No way. Setbacks and problems occur all the time (especially in a system of this proportion), and people have to learn to live with that.

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- about SE old habits, still charging money for extra char. FF XI was the only MMO i've played that had this charge plan, and it continues and gets worse with FF XIV. what's this for ? an extra buck at end of month ?


It's extra data for them to store, more towers for them to purchase and maintain. One buck a month for extra characters is a nice deal -- heck, they could make you buy a new Content ID for each new character. Instead, they're giving you a huge discount for another character which will take up as much room as your first.
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