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#1 Jun 30 2010 at 2:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Can anyone (with knowledge on PCs, unlike me lol) give me an estimation of how much $ it will take to get a PC to run FFXIV properly?

Operating System: Windows XP/Vista/7,
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo 2GHz or AMD Athlon X2 2GHz
Memory: 2GB of RAM
Hard Drive Space: 15GB HDD space
Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce 9600 512MB or ATI Radeon HD 2900 512MB
DirectX Version: DirectX 9

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#2 Jun 30 2010 at 2:40 PM Rating: Decent
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A random guess without going through and doing everything.

$800 if you build it yourself and have a copy of Windows already.

Otherwise, go on Dell.com and build it with at least all of those specifications.
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****, that much? o_O;
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#4 Jun 30 2010 at 2:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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no, that's stupid talk.

I built my current PC last summer for $700 and it ran the benchmark fine. 3500 on low.

Not the best, but it will do.

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#5 Jun 30 2010 at 2:45 PM Rating: Good
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You can get a base model HP (They usually have the best bang for the buck if you're going that route) that more than fits that bill for less than $600.

It's hard to beat the price on those base models since they are built to be cheap but if you already have a few of the parts you can build a better computer for about the same price.
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I think a better question is how much are you willing to spend?
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Now that we have minimum specs, I'll work on a post tonight with recommended easy prey, decent challenge, and impossible to gauge PC builds.
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@Bardalicious: Oh wow, that's excellent!

Could you please give me any starters on where to start? A website, or list of specs you used, etc.

(btw show me your teeth > gaga?)

Edited, Jun 30th 2010 4:47pm by Rydus
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OP, what are the specs you are listing? They won't do you very good.

Go with a mid-priced mid-tower case with a bundled 500+ watt power supply (under 100 bucks-ish)

Get a bundled i3 or i5 CPU and MoBo (or go with one of the top end multi core AMD chips) and you're looking between 200-400 bucks

3-4 (depending on the motherboard and CPU) GB RAM, prices fluctuate weekly and they are still on the upswing, but I would guess under 120 bucks.

And then get an upper mid level Nvidia or ATI card for around 200 bucks.

I'd suggest Newegg as most product reviews have specs of the reviewers build and you can get a good idea of what works with what.

You'll also have to buy a new Windows license unless you have a spare one lying around.
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#10 Jun 30 2010 at 2:49 PM Rating: Good
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@geffe: Max 700 I suppose, it depends on how good (or bad) it runs for that or lower.

@Lamnethx: Great! I'll be looking out for that.

@PerrinofSylph: Well, I'm able to get a free copy of Windows 7, but other than that thank you for the advice. (: The specs are from FFXIV PC version minimum system reqs.
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Rydus wrote:
@Bardalicious: Oh wow, that's excellent!

Could you please give me any starters on where to start? A website, or list of specs you used, etc.

I highly recommend perusing the Tom's Hardware New Build forum. It is where I price shopped last year when I wanted to build my desktop.

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Rydus, what specs are you currently working with on your PC? And what's your skill level, can you install memory or graphics cards?

2 Things can cheaply, and easily be upgraded on most systems:

RAM - I just got 4 gigabytes of DDR3 PC1600* for 107$, which take literally 30 seconds to install.
GPU- Graphics cards range from 30$ to literally thousands of dollars, but you mainly want to look for (IMHO) an Nvidia based card, and check the onboard ram. Again, DDR3 and I'd say at least 1 gigabyte would be sufficient ( I recently bought a card for around 120$). Also, there are two form factors for GPU's, AGP and PCI-express. AGP is the older standard and there probably aren't any cards capable of running this game. PCI-E is newer and about as easy to install as RAM is.

www.newegg.com is your best friend, it has reviews, deals, and the ability to sort by price so you can budget properly when building.

*DDR3 PC1600 refers to the speeds that the ram operates; having a large amount of RAM that runs at lower speeds (such as 333mhz) won't mean better performance.

Finally, this isn't in ANY way a definitive guide to buying items, but it hopefully gives you an idea of how easy - or how hard - it can be to upgrade a computer.

Edited, Jun 30th 2010 4:56pm by MerylStryfe
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@Bardalicious: Excellent forum, thanks!

@MerylStryfe: Well, the actual building of the PC I'd let my brother do. :p Upgrading my current PC isn't an option, though, I think. It's like 4 years old and I could -barely- get the benchmark to run. It had like a 0.01 FPS, seriously. Thanks for the advice! I wonder, what did the benchmark do you on your compu?
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I haven't run with my new, higher speed RAM yet, I'll post results here when i do tomorrow (RAM hasn't arrived, im still on 2 gb of REALLY old ram.
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OP,

You don't want to build to minimum requirements. If thats what you personally want to do, then buy a Walmart or Bestbuy special with a free PCI slot and then buy a midrange video card separately.

If you want to build your own

I would shoot for an Intel i5 (or AMD equivalent), appropriate ATX motherboard with 4GB RAM, and a midrange GPU (honestly I'd go for a GTX 460ish or ATI equivalent for longevity). Use your current case if possible and your current PSU (not advisable if it's a non-name brand)
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#16 Jun 30 2010 at 3:38 PM Rating: Decent
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4000 low, 2600 high. $600. Does not include HD, DVD-ROM, OS, Case. If you already own a computer and have the OS/HD/DVD/Case, then you can buy my system at that price. If you're trying to build one from scratch, HD is about $55-60, DVD-ROM is $20-30, OS is about $130 if you buy OEM, Case is $30-100 or more (an average one will run about $50-60ish; I paid $90 for mine).

Intel rigs (Core i5/i7) will set you back a little more, and the i7 will provide much higher performance than the Phenom II x4. The Ph II x6 will be better as well, but it is more expensive. Similarly, an nVidia GTX Fermi or a Radeon 58xx will also cost more and provide better performance.

Don't misunderstand: There is no such thing as an inexpensive, top of the line rig. You're either cutting down on performance to save money or you're spending money to get performance. I believe that for $550-850, you can make smart buying choices to get a GOOD system for a GOOD price, but always bear in mind that spending more means getting more and spending less means getting less.

If you can't build it yourself, expect to pay more money for the same thing. A $1500 retail system would cost around $900-1200 in parts to build the same or better. A $1000 retail system could probably be built (again, eitehr comparable or better) for $750ish. And as mentioned, if you already have some basic parts (HD, optical drive, OS, case) to work with, then you need to upgrade your GPU/CPU/MB/PSU/RAM. The less you have to buy, the more you can spend on it.

For all the people who say "But a PS3 only costs $300! A gaming machine will cost more than twice that!" They're right. A good (or better) gaming rig WILL cost at least $600 in total. If you're only concerned with "how much am I spending?" then a PS3 may be the better move for you. but if you have decided you want a good (or better) gaming rig, then you should set realistic price expectations. More is better, but too little will hurt you, and need to be upgraded sooner.
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#17 Jun 30 2010 at 4:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks. (: Did you run the benchmark on your computer, Mikhalia? What did you get?
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Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-890GPA-UD3H AM3 AMD 890GX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
1x16 PCI Express 2.0 or 2x8 PCI Express 2.0 (I chose this cause I just want one ATI 5700 series card)
Price: $139.99

AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition Thuban 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Six-Core Desktop Processor HDT90ZFBGRBOX
Price: $295.99

SAPPHIRE Vapor-X 100283VXL Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card (recommend this because it's one series before 5800 which is overpriced)
Price: $194.99

HD: Depends on what you want, there's not a huge difference between 8MB, 16MB, 32MB caches so up to you what size you want, I do recommend at least 7200 RPM though. You don't need a RAID setup but it's nice.
Price: $50.00-$150.00 per hard drive

Memory: Get the fastest which is DDR3 1866. Branding is up to you. Price varies a bit due to branding. I recommend 4GB minimum.
Price: $75.00-$150.00

Let's see you have the Case, around $100.00 depending on what you are looking for. I personally like Antec. Power Supply probably want 750 watts plus. Up to you on the branding. I think that's about it for the pricey stuff. It's not really hard to build a PC. Depends on what you want. My build will be the one above.

It will probably run you about $1,000 to $1,500 for a top of the line AMD system, if you want to go the nVidia/Intel i7 route, it'll cost you about double that. To each their own though. Good luck Rydus :D

And just so I am not acting like a fanboy the reason why the i7 is more expensive is because it is actually 6 cores and 12 threads whereas AMD chip is 6 cores 6 threads. I think the L3 cache is also bigger than the AMD. I still don't think it's worth the $1,000 price tag for the processor but it is definitely futureproof. Til Spring 2011 anyways. Hopefully AMD matches their 8 cores to Intel this time around.

Edited, Jun 30th 2010 6:30pm by Excenmille
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Is this an option?

http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html

+ it will work on your HDTV for those who wanted to play in the living room
+ it's crazy small so you can stow it away or bring it to a friends
+ you could probably sell it on craigslist for $500 when ps3 version comes out

But will it run? I'm a computer noob. And yes. I know it's a Mac. Assume you cam bootcamp it and install windows OS.

Edited, Jun 30th 2010 7:30pm by deronguerra
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I'm gonna guess that it will be lucky to run the game poorly with those specs.
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I think the cheapest option is what someone else said:

Buy a dirt cheap computer from somewhere like Walmart. Make sure if has a free PCIe slot, and then buy a mid-range video card to put in it. The Radeon 5770 is a good bang-for-the-buck card for about $150 right now. This type of system will likely last you a very long time if you are just playing MMO games.

Otherwise you need to buy: Vcard, Motherboard, CPU, RAM at a bare minimum. more likley you will need a PSU and you will probably want a bigger/newer/faster hard drive. Those two items will run about $150 for both unless you get crazy with it. This assumed you already have a monitor that you like. It also assumed you don't have some proprietary case that won't allow an atx form mobo to install into it.

a computer id definatley a lot more expensive than a PS3 - but at least you can use your PC for tons of other things.... and you pretty much had to upgrade your computer eventually anyway - even if you weren't playing video games.


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I agree with the cheap system from anywhere then upgrade the crucial bits.

If I were looking to get an entire PC put together for FFXIV I would go get a pre-built system from best buy that's specs have a CPU that would cost around 125$ on its own with the most memory available (probably 4gb), and windows 7 x64.

I would then buy however much ram is required to get to 8GB, and then spend $200-$250 on an nvidia graphics card.

I would expect the system to cost $349 to $499 and the ram to cost $150. This gives us a price of 750 and up.

It may seem like a lot compared to a PS3 but in two years when crysis3 comes out you will be able to just upgrade your video card and you'll be able to also use a computer for many more things than the PS3. The only other thing I might upgrade (but if you do then your likely best off not getting the base system from anywhere and putting it together yourself) is to upgrade to one of the WD velociraptor drives.


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Ok I'm a complete computer noob, I only use my laptop for internet and nothing else. Now if I buy a "dirt cheap" computer at Walmart, what am I looking for in its specs? It'd probably have a built in video card correct, so wil it have a slot for me to put in my own video card? (I mean do all computers have a slot on their motherboard?) does it matter what kind of motherboard it has? what am I supposed to be looking for? PLEASSEEE be as simple and explanatory as possible in your posts, pretend you're talking to a retarded donkey.
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Ok I'm a complete computer noob, I only use my laptop for internet and nothing else. Now if I buy a "dirt cheap" computer at Walmart, what am I looking for in its specs?


Like I mentioned above, I'd look for something with a CPU that runs about 125 (anything dual or quad core should do what you need).

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It'd probably have a built in video card correct, so wil it have a slot for me to put in my own video card? (I mean do all computers have a slot on their motherboard?) does it matter what kind of motherboard it has? what am I supposed to be looking for?


It probably will have a built in graphics card but that's not a problem. Depending on which board is installed it may or may not have an available PCIe (PCI Expeess) slot. This is the type of port video cards use and you need a free on to install the graphics card.
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PLEASSEEE be as simple and explanatory as possible in your posts, pretend you're talking to a retarded donkey.


You will just want to check the specifications, they will generally list the type of connections available.

The wiki page on PCIe has a picture of what the ports look like. For graphics you generally need the 16x slot (the longer one). Some graphics cards use the 1x slot (the smaller one) but those are generally not for gaming.

Edited, Jul 1st 2010 10:42am by windexy


For example: This system from walmart is mostly like I suggested in the other post. One key thing I notice right off the bat though is that it has 3gb of ram, this probably means it only has windows 7 x32 (32 bit OS can only access up to 4GB of ram and without the right circumstances the memory between 3g and 4g is poorly utilized). If you look down in the added specifications you see this:
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1 x PCI Express x1, 1 x PCI Express x16, 2 x PCI; 1 x external 5.25" expansion bay, 1 x internal 3.5" expansion bay


I'm not sure I would go with this system; it was simply the first one I looked at and met my needs to provide you an example. ;) Mostly because it seems that a better system could be had for that price. I think you could find something a bit cheaper with 4gb RAM and a 64bit OS.

Final edit here, keep in mind there really isn't much difference from manufacture to manufacture of pre-built computers. The internal parts manufactures are what make the difference and there really aren't all that many. (Kind of like monitors, there are dozens of manufactures of the final product but the lcd panel (or the tube back in the day) is only manufactured by two companies (samsung and sony).

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Also another thing, if you are going to build a new computer. ALWAYS. I cannot stress this enough. ALWAYS get the BEST Motherboard available that you can. I mean it depends on how many PCI Express slots you want as well. Single x16 versus 2 x16 Express slots is about a $100.00 or more difference. But if you do this, your system is future proof.

And then you can just get the lowest available of everything else for cheap and then upgrade at a later time at your leisure. But yeah, Motherboard is the most important component.

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Also another thing, if you are going to build a new computer. ALWAYS. I cannot stress this enough. ALWAYS get the BEST Motherboard available that you can. I mean it depends on how many PCI Express slots you want as well. Single x16 versus 2 x16 Express slots is about a $100.00 or more difference. But if you do this, your system is future proof.

And then you can just get the lowest available of everything else for cheap and then upgrade at a later time at your leisure. But yeah, Motherboard is the most important component.


I might disagree with statement. I'll agree you want to get the best board based on stability v price v performance. Getting the newest (which some people may confuse for the best) is nearly always a headache.

The best motherboards I've found are the basic models from the previous generation. The "tweakers/overclockers" boards (again which some people may confuse for the "best") are sh*t for stability IME.

What you run into when you get the best of the newest is very sh*tty stability caused by the terrible drivers for the new chip sets (in 6 months time they will be good though), and you get to pay for the "bleading edge tax" to cover the R&D of said product.

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And then you can just get the lowest available of everything else for cheap and then upgrade at a later time at your leisure. But yeah, Motherboard is the most important component.


This I flatly disagree with. A mediocre board with mediocre parts will outperform any system with an awesome board and sh*t hard drive/memory.

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I too dissagree with the motherboard comments. don't spend a lot on it because there is not such thing as "future proof". Everytime I upgrade my systme I end up buying a new motherboard so I evnetually quit spending a lot on them.

New processors come out every couple of years that utilize a different socket = new motherboard

The drive interfaces get better with things like SATA, SATA3 or whatever = new motherboard

New external interface ports get updated like USB3, USB3, USB4?, Firewire, eSATA, and who knows what else. this stuff changes very fast and when it does you'll want a new mobo when you upgrade so that you can take advantage of it.

Even the PCIe slots get better/faster over time and you'll want the latest specs on those as well.

Anyway my point is that the only reason to spend "a lot" on your mobo if for quality/stability. That said, a good quality name brand motherboard is not that expensive as long as you stay away from the over the top bells and whistles. Just off the top of my head I would get a relatively plain Jane Asus or Gigabyte motherboard and not spend over $150 on it. The only thing you really need to make sure you have is the right Socket to fit the processor that you will be buying. They will pretty much all come with the latest common stuff like PCIe slots, USB3 and lots of SATA connectors.
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http://www.ibuypower.com/

I do like to configure PCs at this site

the required video card makes the minimum around $600

can anyone configure one cheaper?
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Well which type of PCLe slots do I want? I guess what's the difference from x1, x4, x16s? and the number of them on the board? sorry, just learning from you guys as I go along here. (also, PCLe's are just video card slots correct?)

EDIT: it seems Windexy answered my question (thank btw) but...

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The wiki page on PCIe has a picture of what the ports look like. For graphics you generally need the 16x slot (the longer one). Some graphics cards use the 1x slot (the smaller one) but those are generally not for gaming.


I guess my other question as to what number of x16 PLCe slots would I want and why? some boards have 1, some have 2, etc. Thanks.

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I guess my other question as to what number of x16 PLCe slots would I want and why? some boards have 1, some have 2, etc. Thanks.


You need one per video card.

Currently video cards and some raid controllers use the 16x slot so there aren't many reasons to have a ton of them. (Besides that all the basic items that you used to use your PCI slots for are simply built into the motherboard now (sound, serial, parallel, usb, firewire, etc) Most items that use PCIe and AREN'T graphics controllers use the smaller 1x slot (some network cards, low end graphics, fiber channel and other raid cards)

I also, don't recommend SLI or crossfire (whatever ATI calls it) its mostly for people with more money than sense.

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...and just looking at Veagan's link (thanks for the link btw, seems like a good starter kit if i had a clue of what to do with it:P)...is this motherboard any good, and with as few numbers as possible tell me why or why not please? thanks.
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http://www.ibuypower.com/

I do like to configure PCs at this site

the required video card makes the minimum around $600

can anyone configure one cheaper?


I've been trying like **** to get one down to the $500 range, but I refuse to go any lower than 200$ on a video card and all the rest of the parts quickly add up to over 300 since each other part is basically $100.
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...and just looking at Veagan's link (thanks for the link btw, seems like a good starter kit if i had a clue of what to do with it:P)...is this motherboard any good, and with as few numbers as possible tell me why or why not please? thanks.


I just looked it over and its pretty decent for the price. Its basically a new computer made with all the parts that would have made it top of the line a bit over a year ago. For any decently new video card you will need to upgrade the power supply (600w; much lower and it can't keep up with the power demands of the graphics card) (PS = 75$ Video = 225). And I would double the ram ($50)

So still sitting at just around $700.

Last thing to keep in mind, video cards for gaming these days are HUGE. It may not fit in a mid case depending on how the case is setup.
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Alright, again with regards to Veagan's link (here it is again: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6076853&CatId=1916) just curious the AMD Athlon X2 processor at 2.2 GHz is good enough for this game to perform well?...

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...and just looking at Veagan's link (thanks for the link btw, seems like a good starter kit if i had a clue of what to do with it:P)...is this motherboard any good, and with as few numbers as possible tell me why or why not please? thanks.


I just looked it over and its pretty decent for the price. Its basically a new computer made with all the parts that would have made it top of the line a bit over a year ago. For any decently new video card you will need to upgrade the power supply (600w; much lower and it can't keep up with the power demands of the graphics card) (PS = 75$ Video = 225). And I would double the ram ($50)

So still sitting at just around $700.

Last thing to keep in mind, video cards for gaming these days are HUGE. It may not fit in a mid case depending on how the case is setup.


They should still fit in a mid tower fine; the big difference between a mid tower and a full tower is height, not width. Even with 1-2 fans on the side panel, you should still have enough clearance for a large video card.

My video card: (XFX Radeon 5770)

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Don't mind my lackluster cable management. Also, this is a full tower.

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EDIT2: I personally don't like MicroATX boards either; I like a full sized ATX board with a full tower. Anything smaller seems too small to me. That's just a matter of personal preference though.

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If you are patient and watch for sales, you can build a decent PC for much cheaper.

My recent build I built over a few months while watching for sales:

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-MA785GMT-UD2H - Free**
CPU: AMD Phenom II x4 CPU - $169.00** (CPU came bundled with motherboard on sale at Fry's)
RAM: Corsair 4g DDR3 1600 - $80 (On sale at Fry's) after Rebate
Power Supply: XFX 650W Modular - $100 (On Sale at New Egg)
HDD: Samsung Spinpoint 500GB 7200 RPM - $40 (On Sale at Tiger Direct)
DVDR: Cheap Sony DVR - $15 (On Sale at New Egg)
GPU: XFX Radeon 5850 $279 (On Sale at New Egg)
Case: Coolermaster CM690 $50 (On Sale at Microcenter)

Total: ~$738

On the benchmarks I get ~4000 on high and ~4500 on low. You can drop the price $150 if you don't want to spring for the 5850 and get a 5770 instead, and will still probably score in the 3000s on high on the benchmark. I could have saved more money if I bought the cheaper brands and/or went with a non-modular PSU, but I prefer to buy more quality parts and like the less clutter in my case from the modular PSU.


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#38 Jul 01 2010 at 4:26 PM Rating: Decent
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On the benchmarks I get ~4000 on high and ~4500 on low. You can drop the price $150 if you don't want to spring for the 5850 and get a 5770 instead, and will still probably score in the 3000s on high on the benchmark. I could have saved more money if I bought the cheaper brands and/or went with a non-modular PSU, but I prefer to buy more quality parts and like the less clutter in my case from the modular PSU.


I love modular PSUs.
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#39 Jul 01 2010 at 5:41 PM Rating: Good
Quick run through newegg:

Processor: AMD Athlon II X2 240 Regor 2.8GHz AM3 socket - $50.00
Motherboard: ASUS M4A78LT-M LE AM3 AMD - $64.99
Graphics card: ASUS EAH5670/DI/1GD5 Radeon HD 5670 1GB 128-bit - $109
HDD: Simple 80g 7200 HD - $35
Memory: 1GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 @$30.00 per so for you x2, but I'd go more... 60.00

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About $319 in guts, I assume you have a case, CDD and monitor and all that that you can use. You should see my tower, I think it's from the '90s. It's a behemoth. That was just a swift check, sometimes they have combo deals for cheaper, and I only did a cursory compatibility check. Best thing is its mostly top of the line as far as specifications go so you can upgrade plenty later. If you wanted to spend more, I'd definitely go with more ram and a higher video card, though that one should be sufficient. I think the guts I'm looking to buy eventually are about $550 currently.


Edited, Jul 1st 2010 4:47pm by digitalcraft
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XFX Radeon 5770 card, how well is that in comparison to the 5850? there's over a $100 difference between the two.
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digitalcraft, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Quick run through newegg:

Processor: AMD Athlon II X2 240 Regor 2.8GHz AM3 socket - $50.00
Motherboard: ASUS M4A78LT-M LE AM3 AMD - $64.99
Graphics card: ASUS EAH5670/DI/1GD5 Radeon HD 5670 1GB 128-bit - $109
HDD: Simple 80g 7200 HD - $35
Memory: 1GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 @$30.00 per so for you x2, but I'd go more... 60.00

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About $319 in guts, I assume you have a case, CDD and monitor and all that that you can use. You should see my tower, I think it's from the '90s. It's a behemoth. That was just a swift check, sometimes they have combo deals for cheaper, and I only did a cursory compatibility check. Best thing is its mostly top of the line as far as specifications go so you can upgrade plenty later. If you wanted to spend more, I'd definitely go with more ram and a higher video card, though that one should be sufficient. I think the guts I'm looking to buy eventually are about $550 currently.


Edited, Jul 1st 2010 4:47pm by digitalcraft


I've said it before, but I'd strongly advise a quad core processor. You can pick an AMD Athlon II x4 up for $99.
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#42 Jul 01 2010 at 5:59 PM Rating: Good
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I've said it before, but I'd strongly advise a quad core processor. You can pick an AMD Athlon II x4 up for $99.


The one I'm planning will have that. I was just trying to keep costs down, but it's only ~$50 more and can be an upgrade at a later date if absolutely needed. Plus, you can test your overclocking luck and see if you don't get a quad already. ;)

Edited, Jul 1st 2010 5:00pm by digitalcraft
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131163R&cm_re=Radeon_4850-_-14-131-163R-_-Product -$83

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103877&cm_re=AMD_Phenom_II_x4-_-19-103-877-_-Product -$85

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.431422 - $85

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.433832 -$115

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106275 -$19

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145247 -$120

That is essentially my computer, - the case, the DvD player, and the Power supply, which I reused from an old machine.

total price for around everything is around $507.

I built this over a year ago, so it's definitely not up to date, but it was a major improvement over my old PC running DDR Ram and a 1.7 ghz single core processor.

problems with this rig:

Quad core not supported for most games (I used it for compiling maps and programs a lot though, so I needed the cores more than the speed).
Mother board is DDR2, not DDR3.
Possibly some other problems people would most likely gladly point out. This game runs ffxiv just fine on whatever the settings were.

If DDR3 weren't so damned expensive at the time, I would have gone for the DDR3 motherboard.

Advantages:

I can upgrade to a AM3 socket chip from AMD.
I can upgrade to a 5700 or 5800 series GPU.

Other things I would do differently if I didn't compile stuff:

Obviously I'd grab a 3.0ghz dual core at the very least over any quad core. Maybe even a 4.0 ghz AMD Duo. I drooled over the new 3.6 ghz 6 core processor AMD has out last week too. Video card could be more up to date than that one, but the 4800 series video cards run DX10 level games great. No need to go beyond for a while yet. Again, go cheap ($100 or so) on the card now, when DX11 goes mainstream, you can upgrade to a new card ( and probably at a cheaper price).

I also bought a new monitor at the same time for around $200 or so, so my total rig cost was around $700, but only $500 was put into the computer itself.



Other ways to knock that price down even further are to drop it down to a duo 3.0 ghz core, and 2 gigs DDR2. It can lower it to around $450 for the box. If you only going to play ffxiv, you can always go with a 500 gig HD, which is a bit less if you get the same speed as the terrabyte.
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Hey, guys, I'm sorry to just jump in like this as a PC noob, but would you mind telling me if this looks ok to you? A friend of mine recommended it to me.

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=15050786
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#45 Jul 01 2010 at 7:25 PM Rating: Good
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Hey, guys, I'm sorry to just jump in like this as a PC noob, but would you mind telling me if this looks ok to you? A friend of mine recommended it to me.

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=15050786



I'd consider getting a stronger power supply. Also, personally, I'm a big fan of RAID arrays. I'd buy a 2nd HD and set up a stripe RAID-0 array.


I notice it looks like you're planning on going onboard for both sound and networking. That'll put less pressure on your Mobo if you plan to overclock.

Edited, Jul 1st 2010 6:28pm by Osarion
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I am not sure about this, but as near as I can tell my only real problems as far as getting a low benchmark score were low ram and a horrible graphics card. But I am not sure about my processor? I have an AMD Athlon X2 II 245 2.9 GHz. I am perfectly willing to run the game with lower settings, but my graphics card now must be pathetic cause I got like a 95 on the score. I have plenty of Hard Drive space. So tell me if I am wrong about just needing more ram and a new card or not. Also I am a bit confused about the part where it says 7-64bit runs in WOW64 Mode? Is this feature automatically included with windows 7, and if so do I have to activate it?

Any help is much appreciated. Keep in mind I just want to be able to play the game on low settings with mid-level performance. Nothing fancy. Afterall, I am only doing this until ps3 comes out, but I'll be damned if I am waiting 6 more months than I have too LOL.
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I notice it looks like you're planning on going onboard for both sound and networking. That'll put less pressure on your Mobo if you plan to overclock.


Hey, is on board for both those things sufficient? and wth is a Mobo? :P
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I notice it looks like you're planning on going onboard for both sound and networking. That'll put less pressure on your Mobo if you plan to overclock.


Hey, is on board for both those things sufficient? and wth is a Mobo? :P


MOtherBOard ^^

Onboard networking is perfectly fine. Sound is debatable... but your average PC user would probably not even notice the difference in onboard sound vs a shiny new soundblaster.
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Ok here's the rig I put together, can someone tell me what I'm still missing right down to a ***** please?

---Tower----
XION Vantage Mid-Tower Case

---Processor----
AMD Athlon II x4 2.8 GHz

---GPU----
Radeon 5770

---Memory----
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x2G)

---Monitor----
Gonna use my HDTV Sony Bravia 56" (not for bragging but so you guys tell me if I need something to play it using the TV, I have a cable already but graphics compatible or anything wrong?)

---PSU----
some 650W PSU, haven't decided yet.

---Motherboard----
Biostar MCP6PB M2+ Motherboard

Everything else essential (i.e., mouse, keyboard, DVD drive, sound card, network card) taken into account. Am I missing any other essentials?
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I'd consider getting a stronger power supply. Also, personally, I'm a big fan of RAID arrays. I'd buy a 2nd HD and set up a stripe RAID-0 array.


I notice it looks like you're planning on going onboard for both sound and networking. That'll put less pressure on your Mobo if you plan to overclock.


Thanks, Osarion! Hope to see you in September. >.<
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Now that we have minimum specs, I'll work on a post tonight with recommended easy prey, decent challenge, and impossible to gauge PC builds.

We do? EDIT: Checked the official site. ****, it's about time.

Edited, Jul 1st 2010 10:40pm by Kaaraa
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