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#1 Jun 30 2010 at 6:05 PM Rating: Default
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2011 SE are you ******* kidding me? You are going to make PS users (The people who have been most loyal to you)wait until March 2011?

I'm done. **** YOU SE I am canceling my FFXI account right now and will not purchase FFXIV in 2011 you will never get another ******* dime from me.
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Don't be so dramatic. You know you'll buy it when it comes out. I'm a bit livid as well, but there's still hope for a late 2010 release.
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#3 Jun 30 2010 at 6:09 PM Rating: Good
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You never wanted it in the first place then.
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Yea as disappointed as I am about the half year extra wait for us PS3 users I am still looking forward to the game.
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#5 Jun 30 2010 at 6:11 PM Rating: Good
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that'll show 'em!
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#6 Jun 30 2010 at 6:15 PM Rating: Decent
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its typical se what did you expect ? as the old saying goes you knew it was a snake when you picked it up. im not happy either about the split but it don't surprise me im just gonna chill and it gives me time to play other games till
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#7 Jun 30 2010 at 6:16 PM Rating: Good
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Dang you beat me to it. How about a hearty "...that'll learn'em!"
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i can defiantly understand the frustration, i may be getting this on PC but all my friends were going to get it on PS3, so this is a major set back, i will be playing for 6 months before they get to play, hopefully i can get them to want to play when i'm six months ahead of them.
#9 Jun 30 2010 at 6:39 PM Rating: Default
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I just canceled my FFXI account.

I have defended SE, I have bought their ****** Add-Ons, I bought their Token and I have watched them do nothing while good people left FFXIV.

You can say it means nothing but SE will not get another ******* dime from me.

Making PS3 users wait 6 months is inexcusable SE.
#10 Jun 30 2010 at 6:43 PM Rating: Default
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Cool, it's just like the cigarette company, you'll die off and quit using their product 3 more people come and take your spot. Keep raging we don't care.

That'll teach you.
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While the delay may not be preferable, it will result in a more positive experience once it comes out.

By the time the PS3 version is ready they'll have fixed many of the leftover bugs and balancing issues that the PC users will be dealing with for the first few months after release.

So it sucks for sure, but it's not a completely negative situation. It's better than having an unplayable version due to being released on the PS3 too early.
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Is this what you do everytime something doesn't work out in your favor? You freak out about it in forums and make obviously false claims that you wont buy their product? It's obvious that you care a great deal and will be eagerly awating the PS3 release from the seedy bowels of your parents basement.

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#13 Jun 30 2010 at 7:16 PM Rating: Decent
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rate up for the rage that went in to that.

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#14 Jun 30 2010 at 7:23 PM Rating: Decent
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you guys do understand they probably diverted all resources to beat out other MMO's that are coming out for PC?

Like Guild Wars 2, New WoW expansions, Star Wars: The old Republic, and some Lego MMO.

Would you rather they wait and release EVERYTHING in march 2011 and have all those other MMO's be out already?
#15 Jun 30 2010 at 7:26 PM Rating: Default
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Don't be so dramatic. You know you'll buy it when it comes out. I'm a bit livid as well, but there's still hope for a late 2010 release.


No I won't buy it in 2011.

SE has just ****** me over for the last time. Giving PC users a 6 months head start after they debuted this game at E3 2009 (A console gaming show) and promising this as a simultaneous launch and then they ***** over PS3 users by making them wait 6 months longer.

Once again you can say it won't matter but I know of at least 2 other people who have just canceled their FFXI account and will not be buying FFXIV.

SE has ****** over their supporters too many times but it's the last time they do it to me.
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I should clarify that your incessant whining here is doing nothing to improve your situation.

Most likely scenario is that you wake up tomorrow morning and regret the fact that you rage-quit FFXI

Then, when it comes out, you will buy FFXIV for PS3.

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#17 Jun 30 2010 at 7:34 PM Rating: Decent
Wow, so much drama lol. Oh no ... SE is the devil! Get a grip man. It's not like SE killed your dog. It does suck, but life works that way. If creating the next big MMO was so freaking easy, you could do it yourself. I for one am happy to see you go. There are people here that have legitimate concerns about this issue, that aren't crying about it, and you're making them look bad.
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Would you rather they wait and release EVERYTHING in march 2011 and have all those other MMO's be out already?


Yes.

They promised us all platforms and all regions would be a simultaneous release. If they were going to back out of this the public should have been informed. Instead they sprung it on us with no warning, The game is coming out in September and oh by the way PS3 in 2011.

I think the outrage is less about the delay and more of the fact that as recently as 2 weeks ago they were still advertising a simultaneous release.

There is already a large playerbase in place and ready to populate the game world, I don't think releasing after Cataclysm would really make that big of a difference.
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#19 Jun 30 2010 at 7:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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I expect S-E to come to ZAM, see this thread, and immediately realize the horrible mistake that they have made. They will immediately push back the PC release til next year, and offer Runway a Chocobo IRL.
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Actually I believe it is pointed out that when they said simultaneous it meant that when they released it for PC it would be released worldwide in all regions and when they release it for PS3 it would be released worldwide in all regions. Semantics but they are the exact words that came out of everyone's mouth in every interview. Take it how you will.
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Actually I believe it is pointed out that when they said simultaneous it meant that when they released it for PC it would be released worldwide in all regions and when they release it for PS3 it would be released worldwide in all regions. Semantics but they are the exact words that came out of everyone's mouth in every interview. Take it how you will.


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Press: What are your plans for the worldwide launch of the game? Final Fantasy XI came out in the US and other territories a good deal after the Japanese version. I'm wondering if you're planning on a simultaneous worldwide release or, again, the other territories will have to wait a bit to play the game.

SE: Yes. At the launch it will be a worldwide simultaneous for the PS3 and Windows PC in all regions. We will have the same four languages that we had in FFXI. English, Japanese, German and French all released at the same time.


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Actually I believe it is pointed out that when they said simultaneous it meant that when they released it for PC it would be released worldwide in all regions and when they release it for PS3 it would be released worldwide in all regions. Semantics but they are the exact words that came out of everyone's mouth in every interview. Take it how you will.


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Press: What are your plans for the worldwide launch of the game? Final Fantasy XI came out in the US and other territories a good deal after the Japanese version. I'm wondering if you're planning on a simultaneous worldwide release or, again, the other territories will have to wait a bit to play the game.

SE: Yes. At the launch it will be a worldwide simultaneous for the PS3 and Windows PC in all regions. We will have the same four languages that we had in FFXI. English, Japanese, German and French all released at the same time.


Relevent passage bolded.

That could just as easily be taken as "it will be simultaneous for the PS3 and simultaneous for PC"

Then again, I don't know the nuances of Japanese to know if that would be a common way of saying that.
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#24 Jun 30 2010 at 8:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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you guys do understand they probably diverted all resources to beat out other MMO's that are coming out for PC?

Like Guild Wars 2, New WoW expansions, Star Wars: The old Republic, and some Lego MMO.



A lego MMO and GW2 aren't going to be concerns for XIV. They are aimed at different audiences, either by content (legos) or by pay structure (GW2). And we've been given no indication :TOR will launch this year at all.

Yes, if I were to postulate, I'd say this is an (over)reaction to Cataclysm, and a bad one. When Cataclysm launches people are gonna go to check it out anyhow. It happens to every MMO on the market when Blizzard launches an expansion. The WoW population that MIGHT be interested in defecting to a new MMO are a discerning group. They will expect a level of polish and an amount of content that rushing production schedules and shortening Betas doesn't allow. Instead of properly releasing their own product at their own schedule, they risk giving players the ability to check it out for a few weeks, and still bail to see Cataclysm with a less-than-optimal opinion of XIV.



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Would you rather they wait and release EVERYTHING in march 2011 and have all those other MMO's be out already?


If they did as you theorized, both versions would have come out before next March if they would have kept the original schedule in place. If "diverting all resources" leads to a March release for PS3, how could maintaining the existing schedule lead to both versions getting pushed back til next March?
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2011 SE are you @#%^ing kidding me? You are going to make PS users (The people who have been most loyal to you)wait until March 2011? I'm done. @#%^ YOU SE I am canceling my FFXI account right now and will not purchase FFXIV in 2011 you will never get another @#%^ing dime from me.


Somebody needs a nap.
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2011 SE are you @#%^ing kidding me? You are going to make PS users (The people who have been most loyal to you)wait until March 2011? I'm done. @#%^ YOU SE I am canceling my FFXI account right now and will not purchase FFXIV in 2011 you will never get another @#%^ing dime from me.


Somebody needs a nap.


I couldn't help but think of this.

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Mathisyn wrote:
Excenmille wrote:

Actually I believe it is pointed out that when they said simultaneous it meant that when they released it for PC it would be released worldwide in all regions and when they release it for PS3 it would be released worldwide in all regions. Semantics but they are the exact words that came out of everyone's mouth in every interview. Take it how you will.


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Press: What are your plans for the worldwide launch of the game? Final Fantasy XI came out in the US and other territories a good deal after the Japanese version. I'm wondering if you're planning on a simultaneous worldwide release or, again, the other territories will have to wait a bit to play the game.

SE: Yes. At the launch it will be a worldwide simultaneous for the PS3 and Windows PC in all regions. We will have the same four languages that we had in FFXI. English, Japanese, German and French all released at the same time.


Relevent passage bolded.

That could just as easily be taken as "it will be simultaneous for the PS3 and simultaneous for PC"

Then again, I don't know the nuances of Japanese to know if that would be a common way of saying that.


It could. But that's stretching awfully hard to try and cover SE's A##. They've been making the same statements for a year now, since Sony's 2009 E3 reveal. If they were all mistranslations, SE has had a year to detect and clarify the error. They were the ones that made the new trailer for Sony's E3 2010 presentation as well, with the 2010 release date. Again, you can argue they only meant PC... at the PS3 presentation... but at that point we're splitting hairs. It's the difference between lying, and being intentionally dishonest. There may be a legal separation in consequence, but the intent to knowingly deceive is still there. Since I'm not suing anyone, there's no practical difference to me.
#28 Jun 30 2010 at 8:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Well I for one feel the ps3 people's pain and i will not be buying ffxiv after this let down ill just stick to my other mmo's. People can run there mouth all they want to but SE will loose alot of money on this move.
#29 Jun 30 2010 at 8:34 PM Rating: Good
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Nope. I concur. **** you SE.
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just seen this on FFXI's forum.. lol look at the OP
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1277950945127128950&page=1
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just seen this on FFXI's forum.. lol look at the OP
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1277950945127128950&page=1


This guy is hilarious
#32Excenmille, Posted: Jun 30 2010 at 8:41 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I don't think I could of said it any better about Cataclysm than this random youtube user in a Cataclysm video:
#33 Jun 30 2010 at 8:47 PM Rating: Decent
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I think the best part is... if they had announced PS3 3 months earlier than PC, I could just as easily see this same poster mocking all the "stupid people who wasted money upgrading their computer instead of buying a PS3".

I'm not mocking anyone; I was hoping for a simultaneous release myself. But people like this who go ******* insane over something like this... I wouldn't put it past the to have rubbed it in everyone else's face if it had gone the other way.
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I sympathize with the plight of the Playstation folk, but I will be buying FFXIV anyway.
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I sympathize with the plight of the Playstation folk, but I will be buying FFXIV anyway.


Yeah, I'm not gonna say the staggered release will prevent me from getting the game, though some of the other nuggets in today's info give me enough pause to want more information. Even IF I can't get my ole' desktop up to min specs in time for release, I wouldn't use this as a reason to skip a game I've been waiting for since they told us they were working on an MMO codenamed Rapture so many years ago.

But it's still an unfortunate development. One that makes little sense.
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Goodbye Runway, no one will miss you. No one will follow you. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Seriously mods, can we put a lock on threads where people /slit wrists and whine over the "moved up" PC release?

Tell me one person who expected to see this game in September...the head start will not affect YOUR life. There will be a huge influx of players when the ps3 game launches, and just because PC people got to play first does not mean it ruins the game for YOU.

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Tell me one person who expected to see this game in September...the head start will not affect YOUR life. There will be a huge influx of players when the ps3 game launches, and just because PC people got to play first does not mean it ruins the game for YOU.



I think you're missing the community aspect. Sure, there will be plenty of people to level up with at PS3 release. But people across platforms and continents have been planning their new Company/LS for a year now. Developments such as this fractures those communities, and those communities are the heart of a good MMO. This isn't a single player game. Head starts always affect the rest of the player base.


Should people be going Ape#$%@ over the news? No. Does the headstart affect the PS3 onry crowd? Absolutely.
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Every console user got ******* 360 hopefuls too; not just you buddy. When is the last time they ****** you over anyway? Were you frothing at the mouth for the ps2 version back in 2002 only to have to wait until 2003 to buy it? 6 months after us PC users were already playing it? It sucks for everyone. I bought a PS3 because it was cheaper than a new PC. After seeing the min requirements though, my p.o.s. just barely makes it so I'll deal with ****** graphics for a while. As I have the extra money here and there I'll upgrade it as I go along. It's not that big of a deal. Maybe I'm a real FF fan but if I have to scrounge for parts and ask around to build a pc from the ground up to play, I will.
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I wonder what the Japanese boards look like at this news. Anyone lurk over on that side of the internet and have any insights? It might be amusing to see if Runway has a frantic Japanese counterpart.
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I wonder what the Japanese boards look like at this news. Anyone lurk over on that side of the internet and have any insights? It might be amusing to see if Runway has a frantic Japanese counterpart.


If anything, I would imagine there would be more discontented folks. If the XI playerbase was anything to go by, a higher % of JP players were/are likely intending to play on console.
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I understand the frustration, but it's still just a game. It's probably not that SE wants to purposely ***** over PS3 users, the game simply won't be ready at the same time. Also, I wouldn't overlook the fact that this might be Sony's doing and not SE's. For all we know they have some strung out testing or review process that takes extra time before the allow the release of a finished game. Could be the same reason for the gap between PC and PS2 when FFXI came out.
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I understand the frustration, but it's still just a game. It's probably not that SE wants to purposely ***** over PS3 users, the game simply won't be ready at the same time. Also, I wouldn't overlook the fact that this might be Sony's doing and not SE's. For all we know they have some strung out testing or review process that takes extra time before the allow the release of a finished game. Could be the same reason for the gap between PC and PS2 when FFXI came out.


I highly doubt its a Sony testing issue. Sony is known to work with companies as needed to insure titles will work in time, and have streamlined the approval process for some titles (and their patches/updates) to insure they make street date. I'd say a title they've featured prominently at their E3 conference as a 2010 release 2 years running qualifies as one that would get the "VIP treatment".


The only way you go from simultaneous release after a long beta period to a staggered release after a shortened beta period...in 2 weeks... is a change in focus from someone in the company. The PS3 version is being shelved to put all the focus on rushing the PC client out the door. Once it's out and they've gotten through the inevitable launch problems, they'll start redirecting staff back on the PS3 version as they can. I'd like to think that Wada isn't pushing the buttons, but I just can't reconcile Tanaka's previous statements/promises with what has happened.
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I understand the frustration, but it's still just a game. It's probably not that SE wants to purposely ***** over PS3 users, the game simply won't be ready at the same time. Also, I wouldn't overlook the fact that this might be Sony's doing and not SE's. For all we know they have some strung out testing or review process that takes extra time before the allow the release of a finished game. Could be the same reason for the gap between PC and PS2 when FFXI came out.


I highly doubt its a Sony testing issue. Sony is known to work with companies as needed to insure titles will work in time, and have streamlined the approval process for some titles (and their patches/updates) to insure they make street date. I'd say a title they've featured prominently at their E3 conference as a 2010 release 2 years running qualifies as one that would get the "VIP treatment".


The only way you go from simultaneous release after a long beta period to a staggered release after a shortened beta period...in 2 weeks... is a change in focus from someone in the company. The PS3 version is being shelved to put all the focus on rushing the PC client out the door. Once it's out and they've gotten through the inevitable launch problems, they'll start redirecting staff back on the PS3 version as they can. I'd like to think that Wada isn't pushing the buttons, but I just can't reconcile Tanaka's previous statements/promises with what has happened.
I don't understand what the big rush would be (unless they suddenly saw a big drop in FFXI subscriptions after the level cap update) except for the wow expansion. The other big MMO competition, Star Wars, isn't coming out until next year.
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I understand the frustration, but it's still just a game. It's probably not that SE wants to purposely ***** over PS3 users, the game simply won't be ready at the same time. Also, I wouldn't overlook the fact that this might be Sony's doing and not SE's. For all we know they have some strung out testing or review process that takes extra time before the allow the release of a finished game. Could be the same reason for the gap between PC and PS2 when FFXI came out.


I highly doubt its a Sony testing issue. Sony is known to work with companies as needed to insure titles will work in time, and have streamlined the approval process for some titles (and their patches/updates) to insure they make street date. I'd say a title they've featured prominently at their E3 conference as a 2010 release 2 years running qualifies as one that would get the "VIP treatment".


The only way you go from simultaneous release after a long beta period to a staggered release after a shortened beta period...in 2 weeks... is a change in focus from someone in the company. The PS3 version is being shelved to put all the focus on rushing the PC client out the door. Once it's out and they've gotten through the inevitable launch problems, they'll start redirecting staff back on the PS3 version as they can. I'd like to think that Wada isn't pushing the buttons, but I just can't reconcile Tanaka's previous statements/promises with what has happened.
I don't understand what the big rush would be (unless they suddenly saw a big drop in FFXI subscriptions after the level cap update) except for the wow expansion. The other big MMO competition, Star Wars, isn't coming out until next year.


Well, we do know XI subscription have been in decline since shortly after the XIV announcement last year. I believe the MMOData.com charts showed XI going from 500,000 subscriptions to around 350,000 subscriptions in the last year. And if you don't like charts, the server merges speak loudly on their own...
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Wow, done before it even began.

Come March 2011 we'll see. You'll regret it when the world ends in 2012 and you haven't gotten your fix.

At least I'll be happy playing ^^d. lol
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I understand the frustration, but it's still just a game. It's probably not that SE wants to purposely ***** over PS3 users, the game simply won't be ready at the same time. Also, I wouldn't overlook the fact that this might be Sony's doing and not SE's. For all we know they have some strung out testing or review process that takes extra time before the allow the release of a finished game. Could be the same reason for the gap between PC and PS2 when FFXI came out.


Sure, its just a game. But, hey, I expect to be told the truth about such things. Call it a matter of ethics. When someone says they're going to be released at the same time, I expect it to happen.

Now, if this was just a one time deal, I could live with it. It isn't, though. Not even close. SE has continually deceived us for a long long time. "You won't need to have a new credit card in order to keep playing FFXI." Right. "There are no issues on our end. It must be your network." Really? You don't call being DOSed for weeks on end an "issue"?

I was willing to give SE a second chance. Start things anew as it were. But the same old issues keep popping up. I'm tired of the lies. I'm tired of the ********* I'm tired of SE. FFXIV looks fantastic, but I'm not going to spend one penny on SE products until they get thier collective heads out of their asses.

No, its time to move on. Star Wars comes out "soon". DDO is keeping me happy for now. Sure, its just a game. But I'm tired of the ********** you" attitude that SE has to their player base. Well, its just a month fee SE won't be getting. Do they care about it? Obviously not, otherwise a lot of this **** would have been fixed years ago.

C-ya SE. Give me a call when you want to show some respect, I might be willing to try again. Maybe. Until that time, kiss every cent I would have spend on your products goodbye. I'm not dealing with a company that lies on such a consistent basis.
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#47 Jul 01 2010 at 5:26 AM Rating: Decent
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I think Sony should be the one that is upset here. SE just talked them right out of a PS3 sale for me. Now I'm just going to upgrade my computer to be ready to play this game. Maybe runway IS Sony. You're going to make up your profit losses by cutting your FFXI account. Clever!
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Game doesn't even come out for 3 months and we already have threads titled "I am done"

Good stuff. I am looking forward to reading "I am cancelling my account" threads for the next 7 years every time they release any new information/update about the game.

#49RajiFarlander, Posted: Jul 01 2010 at 7:28 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Honestly, I wouldn't be terribly upset if they never bothered releasing this game on the PS3 or 360 at all. Have they really NOT EFFING LEARNED from 7 years of being hamstrung by the dreaded PS2 limitations?
#50 Jul 01 2010 at 7:37 AM Rating: Decent
RajiFarlander wrote:
Honestly, I wouldn't be terribly upset if they never bothered releasing this game on the PS3 or 360 at all. Have they really NOT EFFING LEARNED from 7 years of being hamstrung by the dreaded PS2 limitations?

Oh wait, right, they need an excuse to put the absolute minimum amount of effort into, well, everything, and hey, it's worked THIS long...

Edited, Jul 1st 2010 9:33am by RajiFarlander


You need to pay more attention.
The PC version can be upgraded independantly of the PS3 version. With FFXI the PC version was just a port of the PS2 version, hence the PS2 limitations thing.
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#51 Jul 02 2010 at 8:33 PM Rating: Good
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2011 SE are you @#%^ing kidding me? You are going to make PS users (The people who have been most loyal to you)wait until March 2011?

I'm done. @#%^ YOU SE I am canceling my FFXI account right now and will not purchase FFXIV in 2011 you will never get another @#%^ing dime from me.



Good riddance. Honestly, it's time to grow up and put on your big kid pants. I am buying a PS3 so I can play the game and I am glad you won't be joining the rest of us. There will be enough whining and ******** to go around with out the likes of you pal.
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