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#1 Jun 30 2010 at 9:07 PM Rating: Decent
Quit FFXI nearly 2 years ago so I had forgotten how shady SE can be on occasion. I actually believed their projected release date of 2010 for PS3. Waiting till March blows but its not the end of the world. What kinda bugs me though is that when I do finally get the game 6 months after the PC crowd I am going to be so far behind the majority of the NA user base. I found that same situation made no sense when I got FFXI for PS2 in NA and it book a shed load of work playing catch up to all my PC friends..... thats not fun.

So whilst I don't want to sound like an evil selfish git I really do wish SE hit PC players with the ****** stick at the same time as the PS3 players..... or better yet they actually stayed true to their word and actually delivered on their big announcements for once and released console and PC at the same time in September.

I am not going to go Ragetastic and claim to never use SE products again or anything near as dramatic but this does remind me why I should always remember SE's promises are not worth taking the time to read.
#3 Jun 30 2010 at 9:12 PM Rating: Good
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At this stage, the only thing PS3 users can do are either:

A) Get a PC for FFXIV
B) Wait for its release date

It sucks, but there's really not much else to do. Personally, I say you should find some other games to play while you wait. I still have quite a bit of games I can play so I'm not as disappointed/mad as you or others might be, but I share your pain.
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#5 Jun 30 2010 at 9:32 PM Rating: Default
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That why his title is the one and only Aurelius, there are alot of clones out there trying to be him.
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#6 Jun 30 2010 at 9:41 PM Rating: Good
Shady? Not really, as I had pointed out to Run Away, this isn't the first time a promise made by a company goes unfulfilled and will not tbe the last.
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#8 Jun 30 2010 at 10:16 PM Rating: Good
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That why his title is the one and only Aurelius, there are alot of clones out there trying to be him.


Not really. Auruelis is a name I've been using ever since I was in 9th grade. I didn't even know about Aurelius before I signed up for this site. If I did, I would have used another name to avoid people mistaking me for his alt.
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#9 Jun 30 2010 at 10:22 PM Rating: Decent
LOL just because SE is one of many companies that can't stick to its word doesn't make it ok. I guess I am just tired of companies promising the moon on a stick and not delivering. I sometimes wonder if these big boasts were ever a possibility to begin with.

Aurelius, I am in the same boat as you with games left to play, I have so many half finished games that I keep telling myself I should be getting to, so in that respect its not so bad. However I must admit to being very eager to get back to some of those activities that I experienced in FFXI that to an outsider would seem a retarded waste of time. King Camps, 3 years of Dyna Runs leveling in the dunes, or the 2 day wait to properly DL the periodic updates with the other 500k people all trying to overload the servers..... so many memories and I know that FFXIV will be a different kettle of fish but activities like these are strangely enough what I am looking forward to (except the 2 day update dl's... always hated those).

Yeah waiting till march is definitely doable but I would of loved to be playing this MMO on release date and be creating the conventions that the player base will follow and exploring strange new lands and dying alot rather than logging in and having it all handed to me by those that have already been kicking around for the last 6 months.
#10 Jun 30 2010 at 10:28 PM Rating: Decent
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I sometimes wonder if these big boasts were ever a possibility to begin with.


Honestly I think releasing the game on the PC in September was SE's way of saving face. They knew **** well they were not gonna make 2010 despite the fact that they had been pushing a 2010 release date since day one.

So they did what they could and released the PC version instead of just admitting they were behind.
#11 Jun 30 2010 at 10:37 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah waiting till march is definitely doable but I would of loved to be playing this MMO on release date and be creating the conventions that the player base will follow and exploring strange new lands and dying alot rather than logging in and having it all handed to me by those that have already been kicking around for the last 6 months.


I would've loved to do that too. I even had plans with someone to do nothing but try to see how far we could go exploring new places before we died with our level 1 characters. However, after thinking about it earlier, FFXIV will still be updated with new areas to go, new guildleves, new storyline missions, etc., so there will always be something new to do or somewhere new to explore. Thus, even if we aren't able to do what we wanted to do in the beginning of the game, we still have expansion packs to do a lot of what we had planned.
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#12 Jun 30 2010 at 10:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Well i was expecting it to release in 2011, Wanted to play it on my ps3 because i never played a MMO on a console before, I don't know about you ps3 user's but im not waiting 6 months to play it while that whole 6 month's PC players are playing it, My computer is trash right now another reason i wanted to get it for the ps3, But im not really that mad because September is when im geting my new kickass computer so i'll be able to play it, Hopefully they will shorten the release date on ps3, I have a feeling they will honestly but just me, This is gonna be my first time playing a mmo at launch lol.
#13 Jun 30 2010 at 10:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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LOL just because SE is one of many companies that can't stick to its word doesn't make it ok. I guess I am just tired of companies promising the moon on a stick and not delivering. I sometimes wonder if these big boasts were ever a possibility to begin with.


Well, and I'm not defending or attacking anyone, the problem is that in a big company, the people promising results and the people responsible for results are not only two totally different groups, but they're two totally different groups who hardly ever communicate. I've been there.

Nothing like telling your boss "It will take me 3 weeks to do" on a Monday and having him come back on Wednesday and say "Okay, so I told them you'd have it ready by next Monday; you don't mind working this weekend, right?"

The problem is multifold (is that a word?). You have the programmers who are on a tight schedule who know what they can do and how long it will take them to do it (it will take us two to three weeks). You have the designers who are constantly telling them new things they want done, but typically refuse to budge on time constraints (I know you said you'd be done in two weeks; I need you to also do X, Y, Z, and I still expect the final result in two weeks), and then you have marketing and PR whose job is to hype and sell, so they make promises to encourage sales, without regard for feasibility (I know the devs said two weeks, but I'm sure if they work twice as hard, they can get it done in one, so the product will be finished in a week.)

The end result, sadly, is that the end user gets promised something that is completely outlandish, and when marketing sits down with the programmers, you end up with a lot of yelling, and the end result is that the programmers need to cut back on features to meat a deadline AND marketing needs to go inform the end user about the new deadline AND the features being cut back on. The result is a ****** off end user, ****** off marketing, ****** off devs, and ****** off programmers.

So I know it's probably of little consolation to people who were just told some bad news, but if you can put yourself in someone else's shoes for a moment, consider that at this very moment, halfway across the world, there are a lot of people just as ****** as you, if not moreso. I've been in those shoes; I know of what I speak.
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#14 Jul 01 2010 at 4:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well said, Mikhalia.

Sounds like a very likely state of affairs.

They had a decision to make. Either split resources and have a release date for PC and PS3 both in March 2011, OR finish the PC first, complete the game in 2010 as promised (kinda) and then focus soley on PS3 development. Easy decision if I had to make it.

Do what you can with what you got, right?

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#15 Jul 01 2010 at 4:57 PM Rating: Decent
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I really don't think it's that big of a deal that PS3 is coming out 6 months later.

Of course, I'm in Australia so we get everything 6 months later anyway haha.

Well, look on the bright side I guess, at least you'll have a world full of people that know stuff when you join so you don't have to be all confused and like "***** this! I don't know where to go". Just imagine completing quests or missions in FFXI without the internet's assistance. Some of those things were really obscure.

On another bright side, all of the launch problems will be resolved by the time the PS3'ers will get on, so you don't have to put up with all those shenanigans that will inevitably occur.

... I'm almost envious... but not really because I'm playing it on PC, suckers!
#16 Jul 01 2010 at 4:58 PM Rating: Decent
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To be fair to SE, not releasing products on time is a common occurrence for MOST companies. Nvidia released their latest GTX 400 cards extremely late. I know personally the company I work with has been late on multiple products before, not because they didn't put forth the effort, but because unforeseen situations arose.
#17 Jul 01 2010 at 5:59 PM Rating: Good
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Well, look on the bright side I guess, at least you'll have a world full of people that know stuff when you join so you don't have to be all confused and like "***** this! I don't know where to go". Just imagine completing quests or missions in FFXI without the internet's assistance. Some of those things were really obscure.

On another bright side, all of the launch problems will be resolved by the time the PS3'ers will get on, so you don't have to put up with all those shenanigans that will inevitably occur.


The counter to that is that there ARE players who WANT to play the game in its infant stages where "no one knows what to do so we have to figure it out on our own" and ********** breaks in weird ways so that three years from now we can all laugh and remember it". Sure, some people like to be lead around by a guide and by other players telling them where to go and what to do, but some don't.

Starting the game 6 months late robs you of that.
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...this isn't the first time a promise made by a company goes unfulfilled and will not tbe the last.


My parents recently bought a restaurant, trying to start up a new entrepreneur business. Just recently they were changing the signage in the restaurant they hired a certified "professional" to do it (little did they know about the quotation marks). I supervised the work while he did it so as to make sure he doesn't take any shortcuts. While he was working, if I bring up something such as, "this side the vinyl is slanted a bit" or, "the letter on left is higher than the one on the right" he would quickly give me the line, "if you look at that sign and that sign and that sign I can show you a million mistakes in them." At the end I flipped out on the guy - I don't give a **** if every sign in the America's and Cuba is half-assed, I want this one to be perfect.
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My parents recently bought a restaurant, trying to start up a new entrepreneur business. Just recently they were changing the signage in the restaurant they hired a certified "professional" to do it (little did they know about the quotation marks). I supervised the work while he did it so as to make sure he doesn't take any shortcuts. While he was working, if I bring up something such as, "this side the vinyl is slanted a bit" or, "the letter on left is higher than the one on the right" he would quickly give me the line, "if you look at that sign and that sign and that sign I can show you a million mistakes in them." At the end I flipped out on the guy - I don't give a **** if every sign in the America's and Cuba is half-assed, I want this one to be perfect.


The person you quoted made a good point, but you make a good point too.

It's true that sometimes (frequently) companies will promise things they can't deliver on (I cited a lengthy example as to why this happens; what causes it and such), but it's another thing entirely to validate your own ****** work by saying that other people do ****** work too.

I'd probably have chewed the guy out, too.
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#20 Jul 02 2010 at 3:42 AM Rating: Good
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...this isn't the first time a promise made by a company goes unfulfilled and will not tbe the last.


My parents recently bought a restaurant, trying to start up a new entrepreneur business. Just recently they were changing the signage in the restaurant they hired a certified "professional" to do it (little did they know about the quotation marks). I supervised the work while he did it so as to make sure he doesn't take any shortcuts. While he was working, if I bring up something such as, "this side the vinyl is slanted a bit" or, "the letter on left is higher than the one on the right" he would quickly give me the line, "if you look at that sign and that sign and that sign I can show you a million mistakes in them." At the end I flipped out on the guy - I don't give a **** if every sign in the America's and Cuba is half-assed, I want this one to be perfect.


The person you quoted made a good point, but you make a good point too.

It's true that sometimes (frequently) companies will promise things they can't deliver on (I cited a lengthy example as to why this happens; what causes it and such), but it's another thing entirely to validate your own sh*tty work by saying that other people do sh*tty work too.

I'd probably have chewed the guy out, too.


I don't know, in that story I'm inclined to side with the signmaker. It feels very insulting when you're doing something that you are skilled and experienced at while someone who presumably does not have the skill or experience supervising your work. Granted, some "professionals" are poseurs who over-estimate their ability, but part of being professional in a field like that is knowing, given that perfection is unattainable, what details are important and what can be ignored.

There is, after all, a difference between using others' crap work to justify your own crap work, and knowing that, say, no one in the audience will be able to tell that the "wallpaper" on your set is just stenciled on and the "cookies" are just painted plaster.
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I don't know, in that story I'm inclined to side with the signmaker. It feels very insulting when you're doing something that you are skilled and experienced at while someone who presumably does not have the skill or experience supervising your work.


I was supervising his work because at the end of the day it becomes my property and if the sign maker was a pro as e claimed to be, he wouldn't be making excuses when I bring up his short comings, he would tell me its going to be perfect at the end. Anyway, this is beyond the point of the post - but for the record, the sign did turn out half-assed and my parents had to re-do it.

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It's true that sometimes (frequently) companies will promise things they can't deliver on (I cited a lengthy example as to why this happens; what causes it and such), but it's another thing entirely to validate your own sh*tty work by saying that other people do sh*tty work too.


Yea exactly, I'm not paying you to make excuses.

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