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#452 Jul 25 2010 at 4:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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Processor: AMD Phenom II X6 1090T, i7 930? ~$300. AMD seems better for price? $200 one maybe?
Graphics:Radeon HD 5800 Series (30, 50 is much better, 70 even) ~$300 as well. Dedicated ram? (I don't fully understand dedicated ram yet). Other suggestions here would be good. Not sure if I want to get into Crossfire since we don't know if those issues will be fixed, right?
8 Gigs of Ram, 6 if 8 is more than ~$300. I probably won't need 8, will I?
6 Core - I've seen people here saying a 6 core is much better, is it worth the price? What is the price?
Good heat sinks and fans, will run long and hot with games. No clue about these bits and pieces. Or prices.
Power source - need some real help here, I haven't a clue.
1TB, but less if it costs a good deal less. I don't put movies or anything on my computer, so I'll cut costs on this.


Processor: If you're not on a tight budget, go with the i7.
GPU: If you're planning on playing on low-med settings, 5830 is fine. If you want to play on higher settings, go with the 5850 or 5870. And don't worry about dedicated RAM.
RAM: 6Gb is plenty. 8 is overkill at this moment. ****, even 4Gb is enough.
Heat sinks and fans already come with the CPU and video card. Don't worry about it. You only need to buy better ones if you're planning on overclocking (which you don't need to worry about right now).
Power supply: My suggestion is about 650W if you're using an HD 5730. 700W if you're using 5850. 750W if you're using 5870.
Hard drive: 1Tb is way, WAY more than enough if you're not storing plenty of music, movies, and ****. 500Gb is already plenty.

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Also, my sister needs to upgrade hers, she wants to spend under $600. It's about 4 years old and is Vista... don't know the specs offhand, but it runs ME2 and Dragon Age passably... She'll need a bit more Ram (will harvesting ram from my old computer work? It's old DDR3, so might not be beneficial, but could add another gig or so. I think she has 3 gigs currently.) She needs a new processor, definitely, and a new graphics card. Her computer is quad core. Will she need a new power supply too? I'm not giving much to go on, I know. Her computer was store-bought. Would it end up being cheaper just to get a whole new computer that will run the game on average settings?

Thanks for the help!


Need more info on her computer before I can recommend any upgrades. Motherboard? CPU? GPU? RAM? PSU?
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#453 Jul 25 2010 at 4:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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Since a desktop is out of the question for me, I have been searching for a good gaming laptop. Taking the advice of the people above, I have settled on a ASUS G73JH A2 laptop, which will be $1544.99.

The relevant specs are as follows:

* CPU: Core i7 720QM / 1.6 GHz
* RAM: 8 GB
* HDD 500 GB + 500 GB
* GPU: Mobility Radeon HD 5870

Will this work fine? I hate to keep asking, but I just don't want to spend that kind of money without making sure it would work. It doesn't have to play the game on max settings at all for me to be satisfied, it just can't be slow.


That should be fine to play the game on low res (720p).
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AmsaimSutavarg wrote:
I have a question that is a bit different. While I do want a game with pretty graphics, I am more interested in response times and performance. Do things like getting an ssd, high speed motherboard, and overclocking help in this area? If so are we talking about a helpful degree, or something virtually useless like microseconds? I know FFXIV will be different from FFXI, but the best example of what I am talking about is situations like claiming an HNM. Would these type of things increase how fast my PC registered that the NM had popped, and also increase the speed of of an action I take against it. From what I understand, this would be more effected by things like my ISP, the distance I am from the servers and the servers themselves. However, if increasing hardware speed would help to a useful degree I'd like to know. I did try to google it but most of what I found seemed to be flame wars and epeen, so it was hard to filter out the truth from the bullsh*t. Thanks in advance for any help.


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#455 Jul 25 2010 at 5:36 PM Rating: Decent
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K, I've done my fair share of discussing & research, might finally be closer to what I'm looking for. Went with the phenom iix4 965 as I know nothing of OCing and even with the finest tutorial handed to me I may not bother. So I figure it might be good to just start with something faster...crossfire may be an option though so I've got 2 builds here...

Cheaper, non crossfire-
AMD Phenom ii x4 965 3.4ghz
MSI 870A-G54 mobo
XFX 5870 gpu with XFX P1-650X-CAG9 650W psu
NZXT M59-001BK Mid Case
4GB(2x2)

The psu on that 1 says crossfire ready, but only 650 watts seems low so if I go the crossfire route I'm looking at XFX Black Edition P1-750B-CAG9 750W or XFX Black Edition XPS-850W-BES 850W plus MSI 790FX-GD70 for the mobo...and of course another 5870 either @ purchase or a few months later, but I may lean towards that build to have the crossfire option later on.

Also I'm unsure about adding coolers, but I see you often say it's less of a worry if I'm not OCing...

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Evening all.

I'm in the market to buy a laptop that my wife can use to play. She travels often, so she needs something somewhat light weight. After hours of ******** around on the net trying to find what I think is a decent deal for under $1000(our budget), I realized that anything under this price will not keep her happy. So, I managed to stretch the budget a little more and came across this here: MSI GX640-260US.

15.4" WSXGA+ "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright Glossy Screen (1680x1050)
Intel® Core™ i5-450M, 2.4-2.67GHz, (3MB L3 cache) - Standard
IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU (Cools better than all Compounds)
ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD5850 1024MB PCI-Express GDDR5 DX11
4,096MB (4GB) DDR3 1066MHzDual Channel Memory
Combo Dual Layer SuperMulti 8X DVDRW Drive w/ Software
500GB 7200RPM 16MB Cache Buffer (Serial-ATA II 3GB/s) - Default

It prices out @ $1,147.89. It's $150 higher than I really should spend, but I'd rather make a few minor sacrafices and come up with the extra gil than save some and not be happy with its performance.

Thoughts, opinions?

Thanks in advance :)


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Ok so here it is, the system I will being playing FFXIV on at launch, I am ordering parts in a couple weeks, going to be out of town for a week for business and dont wat anything showing up at my door while I'm gone. I already have a HDD and Windows 7 64. I had an old DVD drive but the combo I'm getting with the PSU makes it better to just buy a new one.

Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127490
Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
$54.99
-$15.00 Instant
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$39.99

Graphics Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127490
MSI R5770 Hawk Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5
$179.99

Ram
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231253
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600)
$81.99

Processor And Motherboard Combo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.430431
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W
GIGABYTE GA-890GPA-UD3H AM3 AMD 890GX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard

$299.98
-$25.00 Combo
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$274.98

Power Supply and DVD drive Combo (INSANE DEAL! 6.00 for a DVD drive before $20.00 mail in rebate!!!)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.435092
OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ600MXSP 600W ATX12V V2.2
LITE-ON 24X DVD Writer Black SATA Model iHAS424-98 LightScribe Support

125.98
-$30.00 Instant
-$20.00 Combo
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75.98

Total Cost - $652.93
-$20.00 Mail in Rebate
$632.93

Can upgrade to the X6 Thuban processors should I want to, has USB 3.0, SATA 3.0, large enough power supply to OC the GPU, CPU and crossfire dual 5770s should I want to down the road. I'm not looking to spend 300+ upfront for a graphics card right now, with Christmas right around the corner I'm betting both Nvidia and ATI will be releasing new cards which should hopefully drop the prices of some of the current mid and high end cards making it even more affordable to upgrade and or crossfire. My monitor is about 4 years old, is only 17in and maxes at 1440 x 900 so there's no real point in running at 1080p for me right now.

Any final suggestions let me know before I start ordering parts! Thanks for everyone help and input and I cant wait to start putting this all together as this will be my 1st ever home built PC! WOO!!!
#458 Jul 25 2010 at 8:55 PM Rating: Good
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Ok so here it is, the system I will being playing FFXIV on at launch, I am ordering parts in a couple weeks, going to be out of town for a week for business and dont wat anything showing up at my door while I'm gone. I already have a HDD and Windows 7 64. I had an old DVD drive but the combo I'm getting with the PSU makes it better to just buy a new one.

MSI R5770 Hawk Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600)
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W
GIGABYTE GA-890GPA-UD3H AM3 AMD 890GX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ600MXSP 600W ATX12V V2.2


Good video card. My friend bought one and it kept freezing on him, and when he tried to return it, they were out of stock. Make sure you're not buying an open box, lest you inadvertently get his on the off chance they try to resell an RMA :P
Good RAM. I'm running the same.
Good processor.
Good motherboard.
Power supply is pretty good. Not familiar with that brand, but the specs say it has 25A 12V rails, which is pretty good.

Overall, I'd say you should be fine with that system. Should get you 4000-4500 on low, 2500-2800 on high.
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#459 Jul 25 2010 at 9:04 PM Rating: Good
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know FFXIV will be different from FFXI, but the best example of what I am talking about is situations like claiming an HNM. Would these type of things increase how fast my PC registered that the NM had popped, and also increase the speed of of an action I take against it.


Unfortunately this has little to do (comparatively) with your PC's speed as it has to do with internet/server connection. For example, two identical, high end PCs are camping the same HNM. One is in Japan and one is in North Dakota. The JP client will have the advantage due to there being (in theory) less server hops from the PC to the game server. That, and from what I understand, Japans overall internet quality (speed) is lightyears ahead of us in the US.

Even things like the delay pressing the button(s) to ready your weapon > seeing the in game graphic happen is based on connection. Of course there must be a hard cap programmed in. I doubt even Japanese players have it happen instantly.


This is all not to say, of course, that having a strong PC will help in this matter. To a degree it would, I'm sure.


Yeah, Japan is ahead of us in terms of everything; internet speed, cell phone speed, etc. While our commercials are still talking about 3G and 4G, I think Japan is on 5G right now. The reason is because they have a much smaller country and therefore require far less money, manpower, and resources to upgrade their entire country than larger countries like the US or Canada or China would require.

Yes, a faster system will help, but distance from server matters too. Your ISP factors in as well.
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will this run ffxi 1080p ok? can i get some feedback? thx.


Intel Core i5 760 (2.8GHz) CPU/8M [Socket 1156] BOX
A-DATA DDR-3 1333MHz 2G Ram AD2GD31333N X 2
Asus P7P55D-E LX
Gigabyte GV-N460OC-1GI GTX460 1GB DDR5
Samsung 500GB HD502HJ SATA II/7200R/16MB HDD
LG GH-22NS50 22X DVD Writer /SATA/
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will this run ffxi 1080p ok? can i get some feedback? thx.
Intel Core i5 760 (2.8GHz) CPU/8M [Socket 1156] BOX
A-DATA DDR-3 1333MHz 2G Ram AD2GD31333N X 2
Asus P7P55D-E LX
Gigabyte GV-N460OC-1GI GTX460 1GB DDR5
Samsung 500GB HD502HJ SATA II/7200R/16MB HDD
LG GH-22NS50 22X DVD Writer /SATA/
CORSAIR VX550W CMPSU-550VXUK 550W 80Plus
LanCool Dragonlord PC-K62 ATX CASE


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High: 2500
Low: 4500

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#462 Jul 26 2010 at 5:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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TwistedOwl wrote:

Cheaper, non crossfire-
AMD Phenom ii x4 965 3.4ghz
MSI 870A-G54 mobo
XFX 5870 gpu with XFX P1-650X-CAG9 650W psu
NZXT M59-001BK Mid Case
4GB(2x2)

The psu on that 1 says crossfire ready, but only 650 watts seems low so if I go the crossfire route I'm looking at XFX Black Edition P1-750B-CAG9 750W or XFX Black Edition XPS-850W-BES 850W plus MSI 790FX-GD70 for the mobo...and of course another 5870 either @ purchase or a few months later, but I may lean towards that build to have the crossfire option later on.

Also I'm unsure about adding coolers, but I see you often say it's less of a worry if I'm not OCing...


I'm not entirely certain, but I think when a PSU says it's crossfire ready, it just means that there are enough connectors for at least 2 video cards, it doesn't mean that the wattage is enough for any combination of video cards.

If you're gonna plan ahead for crossfiring 5870s, I'd recommend at least a 900W PSU.

And you don't need any aftermarket coolers unless you're overclocking. Just be sure your case is well ventilated if you're planning to run two 5870s.

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#463 Jul 26 2010 at 5:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm in the market to buy a laptop that my wife can use to play. She travels often, so she needs something somewhat light weight. After hours of ******** around on the net trying to find what I think is a decent deal for under $1000(our budget), I realized that anything under this price will not keep her happy. So, I managed to stretch the budget a little more and came across this here: MSI GX640-260US.


Here's the honest, brutal answer. :(

Mikhalia wrote:
1. I want a laptop.
2. I don't want to spend over $1500.
3. I want to run FFXIV decently.

Pick two of the above.
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#464 Jul 26 2010 at 6:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Still pondering if I'll plan that setup or just go with the 1 card and be done with it. I think the desire to XF is mainly a knee-jerk reaction to benchmark scores. I'm sure I could go lower on the gpu to save some dough and still be very satisfied. Thanks for the input Threx...
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Any thoughts on a gtx 470 vs gtx 460 in sli? Which would be better performance wise?

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#466 Jul 26 2010 at 8:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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Obviously two GTX 470s. :P
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#467 Jul 26 2010 at 8:33 AM Rating: Good
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1 gtx 470 vs SLI GTX 460
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I feel ya. I can't make up my mind from either 5870 XF or 470 GTX SLI atm. In the end though I just want a system that will last me for a long time. Hope for some price drops on the 5870 if anything by the time the game comes out.
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From what I have always read, it is almost always more cost efficient to buy one great GPU than it is to buy two mediocre GPUs and SLI/Crossfire them. If you are trying to build a supercomputer that will chew FFXIV up and spit it out, then dual GPUs is the way to go. If you are sticking to a modest budget and want the best bang for your buk, then it is almost always more cost efficient to stick with one good GPU.

In addition to spending less on a single GPU, you can also save on a cheaper MoBo and a cheaper PSU designed to handle only one GPU. Those savings can either allow you to buy more RAM or get a bit better CPU, or even a bit better single GPU.

Edited, Jul 26th 2010 11:26am by Enscheff
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Hello guys, here is the list that I've come to after weeks of dedicated research. This will be my first attempt at turning parts into a fully functional computer.

CPU: Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield 2.8GHz http://www.newegg.com/Product/NewProduct.aspx?Item=N82E16819115225

Mobo: Asus P6t Deluxe v2 http://www.newegg.com/Product/NewProduct.aspx?Item=N82E16813131365

RAM: CORSAIR XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 http://www.newegg.com/Product/NewProduct.aspx?Item=N82E16820145260

GPU: EVGA 768-P3-1360-TR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 768M http://www.newegg.com/Product/NewProduct.aspx?Item=N82E16814130562

HD: Western Digital Caviar Blue WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM http://www.newegg.com/Product/NewProduct.aspx?Item=N82E16822136218

CD: ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X http://www.newegg.com/Product/NewProduct.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204

CPU Cooling: Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186134&cm_re=arctic_cooling_freezer_7-_-35-186-134-_-Product

PSU: Cooler Master Silent Pro M700 Series Modular 700W http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171037&Tpk=cooler%20master%20silent%20pro%20m700

Case: Cooler Master Centurion 590 ATX http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119152&Tpk=cooler%20master%20centurion%20590

OS: Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit

Total: ~$1322 (shipped to Hawaii, woot)

Also, given the ease of the P6t's bios, which I've heard so much about, I plan to overclock. Nothing major, probably between 3.2-3.5ghz. As for my monitor, I'm thinking of going for around 24".
I would greatly appreciate any advice or feedback that you guys could give.

Edited, Jul 26th 2010 12:37pm by Reidrick
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I just wanted to check if my video card was up to snuff? I am running the Sapphire ATI Vapor-X 4890 2GB. Should I look into the 5900 series? Is it worth the extra $$$?

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HD 4890 is plenty powerful for FFXIV.

12 GB is ridiculously over-the-top though, unless you plan on doing video encoding while playing FFXIV or something like that. You'll see basically no improvement from 6 GB RAM to 12 GB.
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#472 Jul 26 2010 at 10:42 AM Rating: Good
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GTX 460 SLI review.

Single GTX 470 review.

In my personal opinion and from what I can see in the charts, 2 460 will dominate 1 470, 2 470s will dominate 2 460s and 1 480. Of course 2 480s will surpass anything underneath it. However, I always recommend going with the card in the middle instead of the lowest. Even so it all depends on which games you actually play that will demand a high fps count for when the heavy load actually kicks in.

... Just for kicks a chart of the ASUS RoG ARES 4GB Review. Surprisingly two 5870's XF were more than enough to kill that beast in scores.

Edited, Jul 26th 2010 12:46pm by AkkiZan
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Lamnethx of the Seven Seas,

I am very curious what you will come up with in the *Buy a PC, insert Video Card* section. It seems challenging to go that route when the build-your-own PC is so competitive. Even the custom-built-gaming PCs are going to be comparable.

The idea is that some places bundle a decent CPU with case, operating system, disk drive and power supply cheaper than the component parts separately, yes? I tried to look into this myself, but quickly get lost in PC sites that are clearly overcharging for their bundles.

Just wanted to let you know that the entire post is awesome, and I keep coming back for updates. When you have time to expand that section, it won't be wasted effort!

Cheers!
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Lamnethx of the Seven Seas,

I am very curious what you will come up with in the *Buy a PC, insert Video Card* section. It seems challenging to go that route when the build-your-own PC is so competitive. Even the custom-built-gaming PCs are going to be comparable.

The idea is that some places bundle a decent CPU with case, operating system, disk drive and power supply cheaper than the component parts separately, yes? I tried to look into this myself, but quickly get lost in PC sites that are clearly overcharging for their bundles.

Just wanted to let you know that the entire post is awesome, and I keep coming back for updates. When you have time to expand that section, it won't be wasted effort!

Cheers!


Retail systems usually have ****** PSUs too. Retailers know that all Joe Consumer cares about is "the bigger Gee Bees" so they'll cut costs in places like CPU, motherboard, and PSU, since RAM and HDs are pretty inexpensive. A large part of the new system fee is the Micro$oft tax.
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Well, I just got some good news. I was approved for $750 of credit at Best Buy. Now I'm pouring over the various system specs and trying to find what is the best rig I can get for less than $750 (knowing that I will need to plop a video card in). I may have to overpay a bit, but the financing is the key.

If anyone would like to make some suggestions that would be awesome. I can't even find the PSU listed on the website specs. Good point there Mikhalia. I'll have to ask in-store before purchasing (looking for 600w at minimum). Probably will be the minimum necessary (300w) to run the shoddy Radeon HD 4200 that comes standard with all their systems.

Best Buy's website is just horrible to navigate. Anyway, overall I'm incredibly exited about this, I may yet be able to join the world-wide fun at release.
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Newegg.com has nicer financing than Best Buy. With a broader selection on top of that, you won't have to worry about immediately upgrading your new purchase.

(Unless paying off $750 in 12 months is unreasonable, but with 18 months is easily done)



Edited, Jul 26th 2010 5:14pm by bsphil
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#477 Jul 26 2010 at 5:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Look for opinions on my build. I thinking I should be able to run FFXIV pretty well. Included the prices because I think I got a pretty good deal, built the computer over 6 months waiting for the best prices I could find.
Case: Cooler Master HAF 922 ($90)
Processor: Intel Core i7 930 ($200)
Memory: Corsair Dominator6gb (3x2) DDR3 1600mhz RAM ($160)
Graphics Card: ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB ($347)
Motherboard: Asus P6X58D ($243)
Power Supply: Etasis 750 Watt ($50)
Heat Sink: Noctua NH-D14 ($87)

Total: $1281
#478 Jul 26 2010 at 7:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Hmm I'm in doubt. Does this motherboard have enough space for the size of 2 5870's or 2 470's?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188051
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Based on the reviews it does not.
#480 Jul 27 2010 at 7:32 AM Rating: Good
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Hello all, I would like to know what you guys think this build would benchmark for FFXIV. This is going to be my first attempt to build a comp myself. I have a friend that's going to help me put it together, but he's not sure what I'll need to get a good score. Lastly, are there any compatiblility or bottleneck issues? Thanks.

mob: Intel P55 ATX 1156
cpu: Intel Core i7-875K Lynnfield 2.93 GHz
gpu: Gigabyte GTX470 1280MB 320 bit DDR5
mem: 2x Corsair XMS3 4GB DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
psu: Rosewill LIB800 800W ATX 12V




Edited, Jul 27th 2010 10:28am by Rayne91
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Newegg.com has nicer financing than Best Buy. With a broader selection on top of that, you won't have to worry about immediately upgrading your new purchase.

(Unless paying off $750 in 12 months is unreasonable, but with 18 months is easily done)


You're absolutely right. Best buy has exactly what I DON'T need. 350w power supply standard, integrated Radeon HD 4200 (not going to cut it) and I can't even get an i5 for less than $750. The AMD Phenom II 650 is also sub-par.

I'm going to check out Newegg's financing, even though I'm still a bit hesitant to buy separate parts. The motherboard is the key part that I don't understand.

Thanks for all the advice though, kept me from overspending on a POS.
#482 Jul 27 2010 at 8:09 AM Rating: Good
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I found a site where you can calculate your FPS... it gives you a good idea of what every cards FPS or performance would be. The cool thing is that it normalizes the data based off of your current graphics card and FPS. So, if you can tell what FPS you are getting from the benchmark (or beta), it will pretty darn accurately tell you what your FPS would be with every card. You can also input benchmark data.

[img=http://www.gpubench.com/gpubench/assets/Image/fps_graph.jpg]
http://www.gpubench.com/gpubench/index.cfm/graphics-and-video-card-tools/
#483 Jul 27 2010 at 8:10 AM Rating: Good
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BunnyFufinator wrote:
Based on the reviews it does not.


Thanks for the reply man. I'm still researching prices and what would be a good build. So far I reduced the checkout to 1.7k by going with 1 5970 and removing the 1k watt power supply since in this case ill use my current 750 watt.
#484 Jul 27 2010 at 8:50 AM Rating: Good
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Rayne91 wrote:
Lastly, are there any compatiblility or bottleneck issues? Thanks.

mob: Intel P55 ATX 1156
cpu: Intel Core i7-875K Lynnfield 2.93 GHz
gpu: Gigabyte GTX470 1280MB 320 bit DDR5
mem: 2x Corsair XMS3 4GB DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
psu: Rosewill LIB800 800W ATX 12V


You'll have to be more specific about the motherboard. Please list the exact model.
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#485 Jul 27 2010 at 9:02 AM Rating: Good
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It's model# Intel BOXDP55KG LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX

link: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121385
#486 Jul 27 2010 at 10:00 AM Rating: Decent
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BunnyFufinator wrote:
Based on the reviews it does not.


Thanks for the reply man. I'm still researching prices and what would be a good build. So far I reduced the checkout to 1.7k by going with 1 5970 and removing the 1k watt power supply since in this case ill use my current 750 watt.


I wish I had that availability, but my PSU has always been a problem, my monitor could use a change (8 year old 17 inch), I definitely need new and more reliable inputs, and my DVD drive went HNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG, so I'm sitting pretty on about 2k as the build stands now (maybe a little less because I don't immediately factor in mail-in rebates). I'm also hoping for an early Radeon 6000 series release for the price slashing that'll occur with the late 5000's, for the 5870 I chose is manufactured by Galaxy with some nice after-reference improvements in cooling and noise production (and thus is at a premium)
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#487 Jul 27 2010 at 10:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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Looks good then.
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#488 Jul 27 2010 at 10:10 AM Rating: Good
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Thanks, Threx. This thread with all the suggestions and info is what made me decide to build my own. Everyone here is great. Thanks again.
#489 Jul 27 2010 at 10:56 AM Rating: Decent
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227243

Intel Core i7 860(2.80GHz)
4GB DDR3
500GB
NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

What would need to be added to this?
Looks like it will play on low, no problem. True?
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I'm getting a REALLY good deal (free) with the following setup:
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Amd 64 x2 OC3.0ghz

XFX nForce 750a ddr2 sli motherboard

Western Digital 320gb sata hard drive

3 gb of memory

Cooler Master 650w sli ready power supply

9800gtx 512mb
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I'd like to upgrade the GPU to a 5770 or even a 460. Any thoughts?
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#491 Jul 27 2010 at 12:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227243

Intel Core i7 860(2.80GHz)
4GB DDR3
500GB
NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

What would need to be added to this?
Looks like it will play on low, no problem. True?


Replace the video card. That one will allow you to just barely play the game.
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I'm getting a REALLY good deal (free) with the following setup:
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Amd 64 x2 OC3.0ghz

XFX nForce 750a ddr2 sli motherboard

Western Digital 320gb sata hard drive

3 gb of memory

Cooler Master 650w sli ready power supply

9800gtx 512mb
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I'd like to upgrade the GPU to a 5770 or even a 460. Any thoughts?


Either of those GPUs will likely be bottlenecked by your CPU. I'd recommend upgrading the CPU, too. Quad core highly recommended.

Btw, before you do buy a new videocard, check to see if it fits (the newer cards are pretty big). I see a small heatsink placed near to the motherboard's PCIe slot. Might get in the way.
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#493 Jul 27 2010 at 12:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Sure thing. Thank alot Threx.

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Could I get a quick critique, and maybe a suggestion on where to save a hair, or where I'd be stupid not to spend $10-20 more?

I already purchased:

Case: ROSEWILL|CHALLENGER RT
PSU: RAIDMAX | HYBRID2 RX-730SS 730W

Items left on my list to buy:

MB: ASRock 870 EXTREME3 AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core
RAM: A-DATA Gaming Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
GPU: SAPPHIRE 100283-3L Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5"
OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

I will be connecting to my 32" Sony Bravia 720P television. I would like to end up with med-high settings at 720P. I will likely add a second 5770 down the line, and go to a x6 CPU at some point as well. I am okay with a 5-7 on the 1-10 scale Mikhaila mentioned at 720P.

I am one of those people burned by the holdoff of the PS3 version, so I am scrambling a bit, but justifying a new gaming PC to use both for XIV and for Cataclysm.
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Could I get a quick critique, and maybe a suggestion on where to save a hair, or where I'd be stupid not to spend $10-20 more?

I already purchased:

Case: ROSEWILL|CHALLENGER RT
PSU: RAIDMAX | HYBRID2 RX-730SS 730W

Items left on my list to buy:

MB: ASRock 870 EXTREME3 AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core
RAM: A-DATA Gaming Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
GPU: SAPPHIRE 100283-3L Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5"
OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

I will be connecting to my 32" Sony Bravia 720P television. I would like to end up with med-high settings at 720P. I will likely add a second 5770 down the line, and go to a x6 CPU at some point as well. I am okay with a 5-7 on the 1-10 scale Mikhaila mentioned at 720P.

I am one of those people burned by the holdoff of the PS3 version, so I am scrambling a bit, but justifying a new gaming PC to use both for XIV and for Cataclysm.



Your motherboard supports 1600Mhz RAM only if you overclock it. If you don't, it only supports up to 1333Mhz max, so you can cut back a few bucks by getting 1333 RAM instead of 1600. But the price isn't that much different anyway, so it's not a big deal.

Other than that, everything looks good. Should score you 4000ish on the benchmark on 720p.

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#496 Jul 27 2010 at 12:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Will a PCI-E 2.1 card like the 5850 or 5870 work fully in a PCI-E 2.0 slot?

I'm not sure I understand the designation of the PCI-E 2.1.

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Thnx Threx, from what i read, it only support up to phenom (not phenom ii). would a regular phenom quad be good?
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Threx wrote:
Your motherboard supports 1600Mhz RAM only if you overclock it. If you don't, it only supports up to 1333Mhz max, so you can cut back a few bucks by getting 1333 RAM instead of 1600. But the price isn't that much different anyway, so it's not a big deal.

Other than that, everything looks good. Should score you 4000ish on the benchmark on 720p.


Ah, yes, I had been playing with multiple configurations. Missed that one. Added G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) instead for the native speed and lower latency (for $2 more).

Thanks!
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Edalya,

If I were you, I would either save $20 and go with the X4 955, or spend an extra $20 and go with the X6 1055T. Both have a better CPUMark/Price ratio than the X4 965:

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Phenom+II+X6+1055T

You should be able to easily overclock the X4 955 to almost the same speed as you could overclock the X4 965 anyways. I would only spend extra money over the 955 to get more cores with the X6, not to get a minor clock speed bump with the 965.
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Don't forget though, if you're going to overclock a processor significantly, you may wish to consider a beefier heatsink and Arctic Silver too. The stock heatsink and thermal paste are fine for stock speeds but overclocked processors run hotter. They also are a higher voltage/wattage too, so make sure you have a power supply that can accommodate that.
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Edalya,

If I were you, I would either save $20 and go with the X4 955, or spend an extra $20 and go with the X6 1055T. Both have a better CPUMark/Price ratio than the X4 965:

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Phenom+II+X6+1055T

You should be able to easily overclock the X4 955 to almost the same speed as you could overclock the X4 965 anyways. I would only spend extra money over the 955 to get more cores with the X6, not to get a minor clock speed bump with the 965.


I had originally gone with the 1055T, but in reading this thread and one on bluegartr, it seemed that people were getting better performance out of the 965 for the benchmark than with the 1055T. I could be wrong, and I'm okay with jumping to the 1055T, but it almost seemed like an X6 wasn't worth it unless you went with the 1090T. The 955 may not lose me much though, so could be a place to save a couple bucks.
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