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#552 Jul 29 2010 at 2:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Bigfisher,

I think you got a pretty good deal on that PC, and it should play FFXIV just fine as is.

I would not replace anything, and just look to add to an already very solid build.

You can grab another GTX 260 used off ebay for under $150 and toss it in there. You could also overclock that CPU a bit rather easily. Add another 2GB of RAM if you want, but there is really no need to go over 6GB right now.
#553 Jul 29 2010 at 5:28 PM Rating: Decent
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so on another thread i was questioning ffxiv on a macbook pro (which i will probably get for nongaming purposes)... with that being said i think i may take the leap and build my first pc. the usual questions... will this work, run the game, etc and be compatible from the power standpoint.

video card
XFX HD-587X-ZNFV Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress XT) 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
power supply
XFX P1-650X-CAG9 650W ATX12V 2.2 / ESP12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power
(both come together as a combo deal)
motherboard
ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 AM3 AMD 890GX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
processor
AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX

i still have to fill in the case, hard drive, dvd drive, RAM, and Windows 7.
i was thinking of starting with this and get the rest of the components over the next couple weeks.

thanks for any help/advice, and for this very useful thread.
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paoldor wrote:
so on another thread i was questioning ffxiv on a macbook pro (which i will probably get for nongaming purposes)... with that being said i think i may take the leap and build my first pc. the usual questions... will this work, run the game, etc and be compatible from the power standpoint.

video card
XFX HD-587X-ZNFV Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress XT) 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
power supply
XFX P1-650X-CAG9 650W ATX12V 2.2 / ESP12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power
(both come together as a combo deal)
motherboard
ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 AM3 AMD 890GX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
processor
AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX

i still have to fill in the case, hard drive, dvd drive, RAM, and Windows 7.
i was thinking of starting with this and get the rest of the components over the next couple weeks.

thanks for any help/advice, and for this very useful thread.


Almost identical to the build I'm looking at, except I chose this combo for the cpu/mobo:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.445121

And this is what I picked for case & Windows 7:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.437504.11-146-058

Not saying my choices are better lol, but gives ya something to check out. I have that same gpu/psu combo and that'll work unless you're planning to crossfire with a 2nd gpu, then you'll want to go for more wattage, threx suggested 900.

This thread has the same kind of build but with a gtx460:
http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?game=268&mid=128028993333344200&page=1
Benchmark was 4300 on low, and 2750 on high without overclocking...

#555 Jul 29 2010 at 7:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Good day friends, Threx I just got all my stuff today and put it together. Got a low score of 4331 and a 2600+ high. Thank you and the board readers and posters for the help. I'll see you out there.
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I know I'm like 5 million posts down the line here, but my PC has been dead for a few months, and I just recently upgraded.

I just wanted to know if there were any "short-term" suggestions for me, having a core I3-540 processor with 6 gigs ram currently. I plan on getting a new case, mobo, etc down the road, but...
can this processor make me happy temporarily with something like a nvidia gtx470, or an ati 5870?. In the next few weeks I'll be upgrading to a phenom IIx6 processor. I'm just wondering whether one of these GPUs will transfer over well and be decent enough to continue on with the new CPU.

Thank you in advance for any advice(sorry. I only read the first few pages of this 5 bazillion page thread;)

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#557 Jul 29 2010 at 9:24 PM Rating: Decent
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So, I'm new to FF online, and figured this would be a good excuse to buy a decent gaming rig.

I'm not in the mood to build a custom rig, I've seen my boss throwing a fit at the lab I work at with the build he set up, and that was for a non-gaming rig.

Here's the spec's I'm looking at:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227176

For those too lazy to follow, here are the specs:
Processor AMD Phenom II X4 965(3.4GHz)
Processor Main Features 64 bit Quad-Core Processor
Cache Per Processor 4 x 512KB L2 Cache
Memory 4GB DDR3 1333
Hard Drive 500GB SATAII
Graphics NVIDIA GeForce 9800GT 1GB
Audio Sound card - Integrated
Power Supply 700W
Operating System Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Motherboard
Chipset AMD 770
CPU
CPU Type Phenom II X4
CPU Speed 965(3.4GHz)
L2 Cache Per CPU 4 x 512KB
L3 Cache Per CPU 6MB
CPU Socket Type AM3
CPU Main Features 64 bit Quad-Core Processor

GPU/VPU Type NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT
Graphics Interface PCI Express 2.0 x16

Memory Capacity 4GB DDR3
Memory Speed DDR3 1333
Maximum Memory Supported 16GB
Hard Drive
HDD Capacity 500GB
HDD Interface SATA II
#558 Jul 29 2010 at 11:22 PM Rating: Decent
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well i took the plunge and hit the purchase button and am now committed to building my first computer.
it should be interesting, but fun. i still have to buy some parts, but another question from this newb...
what do i buy to make my tower wireless for the internet. my building in san fran is only built for wireless internet (however it is as good as wired, and i have never had a better internet connection). do i buy an internal or external wireless adapter, or is it something else entirely? thanks for the help, to probably a very basic question.
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paoldor wrote:
well i took the plunge and hit the purchase button and am now committed to building my first computer.
it should be interesting, but fun. i still have to buy some parts, but another question from this newb...
what do i buy to make my tower wireless for the internet. my building in san fran is only built for wireless internet (however it is as good as wired, and i have never had a better internet connection). do i buy an internal or external wireless adapter, or is it something else entirely? thanks for the help, to probably a very basic question.


I purchased this card for my machine. It's internal, and fits in a PCI-E slot (the tiny ones).
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#560 Jul 30 2010 at 11:08 AM Rating: Good
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KnocturnalOne wrote:
Threx wrote:

You can use SLI only on a motherboard that has an "nForce" chipset. Click on any motherboard on newegg.com and then click specifications. Under the "northbridge" if it doesn't say nForce, then it won't support SLI. (***see the edit below)

Edit: Actually, I'm not sure about this myself. I'm under the impression that this is the case, but I'm waiting for confirmation after posting about this on tomshardware.


Keep me posted on the details. At least I know I have done some decent research (I am nowhere up to date on all the technology available) and hopefully am not asking a dumb question.

I also see it's less common to find boards that support an AM3 socket but support nForce SLI. There are some, but options appear to be less limited, and I don't want to run the Intel chips due to higher cost - both for the boards supporting them and the processors.


Ok, got confirmation that:

1. SLI support is only available with nForce chips.
2. Not all nForce chips support SLI.

Therefore, you NEED to pick the RIGHT nForce chipset motherboard to run SLI.

There are only a handful of such motherboards in existence that I know of that support AM3 socket and SLI:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=am3+sli&x=0&y=0


Edit: And very unfortunately for me, I planned to run an AM3 processor with SLI...but I don't think there are any that is sold where I live. I actually talked to the guy in charge of importing ASUS motherboards and he said that they don't import them. ;;;;;

Edited, Jul 30th 2010 12:11pm by Threx
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#561 Jul 30 2010 at 11:14 AM Rating: Good
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jvfly23 wrote:
Hello everyone,
I want a desktop so I can build or have it built because ofcourse it runs games better.
But, a laptop is way more convenient for me. I am trying different website to get a custom laptop with similar specs i would a desktop even though i know they will be less powerful.

What do you guys think of a laptop with these specs?

Processor ( Intel® Core™ i7-740QM Mobile Processor (4x 1.73GHz/6MB L3 Cache) )
Memory ( 4GB [2GB x 2] 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM [Laptop Memory] - Corsair or Major Brand )
Video Card ( Mobility DDR5 1GB ATI Radeon HD 5870 PCI-Express 3D Video [W870CU] )
window 7 home premium

thanks
I really want to be able to play FFVIX on the go when I can.


That would be playable. :)
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#562 Jul 30 2010 at 11:20 AM Rating: Good
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bigfisher937 wrote:
ok i just bought this off craigslist and i need help figuring out how to beef it up with out spending an arm and a leg. (thanks Ravida, Kreisash, and Mikhalia for helping me decide if it was worth it or not.)

-NZXT M59 case
-EVGA 780i 3 way sli
-Core 2 Quad Q6600(2.4ghz)
-Thermaltake V1 cpu cooler with arctic silver 5 thermal paste.
-EVGA gtx 260 core 216
-4gb 1066mhz Corsair Dominator
-Sigma Monster 850w Modular PSU
-500gb Seagate SATA hard drive and Samsumg dvd burner.
-Windows 7 ultimate x64
-19" HP w1907 LCD,1440x900
-White Razer Lycosa keyboard(VoodooDNA edition) and White Razer Lachesis Lazer mouse.
i ended up getting it for $525 and figured it will run XIV just fine but thats never good enough now is it? In not sure what to do with the GPU should i buy another GTX 260 and run in SLI or just upgrade to a single better GPU? and what about RAM, I believe this MOBO will handle up to 1200MHZ is it worth it, or is the 1066MHZ Dominator ok? im open to suggestions. Thanks all


If you want to play the game decently on low-med settings, just upgrade the processor (or OC this one if you know how to). The GPU is fine.

If you want to play the game decently on med-high settings, you'll have to upgrade both the CPU and GPU. With a socket 775 motherboard, your CPU choices are quite limited though.

Your RAM is "alright." I wouldn't consider it good, but it's definitely fine.
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#563 Jul 30 2010 at 11:23 AM Rating: Good
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paoldor wrote:
so on another thread i was questioning ffxiv on a macbook pro (which i will probably get for nongaming purposes)... with that being said i think i may take the leap and build my first pc. the usual questions... will this work, run the game, etc and be compatible from the power standpoint.

video card
XFX HD-587X-ZNFV Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress XT) 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
power supply
XFX P1-650X-CAG9 650W ATX12V 2.2 / ESP12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power
(both come together as a combo deal)
motherboard
ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 AM3 AMD 890GX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
processor
AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX

i still have to fill in the case, hard drive, dvd drive, RAM, and Windows 7.
i was thinking of starting with this and get the rest of the components over the next couple weeks.

thanks for any help/advice, and for this very useful thread.


Looks good. Should give you over 4000 on high on the benchmark. Although I'd consider getting a bigger PSU for futureproof.
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#564 Jul 30 2010 at 11:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Good day friends, Threx I just got all my stuff today and put it together. Got a low score of 4331 and a 2600+ high. Thank you and the board readers and posters for the help. I'll see you out there.


Grats!

I'm still configuring some parts of the rig I'm going to get, myself. Not too much longer, though. :)
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I know I'm like 5 million posts down the line here, but my PC has been dead for a few months, and I just recently upgraded.

I just wanted to know if there were any "short-term" suggestions for me, having a core I3-540 processor with 6 gigs ram currently. I plan on getting a new case, mobo, etc down the road, but...
can this processor make me happy temporarily with something like a nvidia gtx470, or an ati 5870?. In the next few weeks I'll be upgrading to a phenom IIx6 processor. I'm just wondering whether one of these GPUs will transfer over well and be decent enough to continue on with the new CPU.

Thank you in advance for any advice(sorry. I only read the first few pages of this 5 bazillion page thread;)

Lojack



A GTX 470 or HD 5870 will be severely bottlenecked by that CPU. However, those are great GPUs you can use for quite a while into the future. You can use either of those GPUs now, although it will be underperforming.
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So, I'm new to FF online, and figured this would be a good excuse to buy a decent gaming rig.

I'm not in the mood to build a custom rig, I've seen my boss throwing a fit at the lab I work at with the build he set up, and that was for a non-gaming rig.

Here's the spec's I'm looking at:
Processor AMD Phenom II X4 965(3.4GHz)
Memory 4GB DDR3 1333
Graphics NVIDIA GeForce 9800GT 1GB


Good CPU, decent RAM, bad video card. Definitely replace the video card. Everything else looks good.

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So, I'm new to FF online, and figured this would be a good excuse to buy a decent gaming rig.

I'm not in the mood to build a custom rig, I've seen my boss throwing a fit at the lab I work at with the build he set up, and that was for a non-gaming rig.

Here's the spec's I'm looking at:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227176

...snip...


You'll definitely want a faster video card than a 9800GT if you're buying new. No sense if buying hardware that is two generations old...

I'd try for HD5770 or GTX260 (see the next two posts) as a minimum.

Edited, Jul 30th 2010 2:02pm by Pickins
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I'd try for HD5770 or GTX275 as a minimum.


Actually, the GTX 260 performs similar to an HD 5770, and it's way cheaper than a GTX 275. :)
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#569 Jul 30 2010 at 12:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Threx wrote:
Pickins wrote:

I'd try for HD5770 or GTX275 as a minimum.


Actually, the GTX 260 performs similar to an HD 5770, and it's way cheaper than a GTX 275. :)


That's a good call.

I was basing my recommendation on the benchmark chart from ffxivcore (where the two perform fairly similarly), but I didn't look at prices. Also, I forgot that the latest drivers from Nvidia give 5-7% boost to scores, so the 275 would pull out to a large lead.

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Well, it looks like I'll be able to run the game! Albeit, it's going to be on rather low settings (Low 2453, High 996)... These are my specs as of now; a computer that I bought at the beginning of the year, expecting it to run the game rather well:

MBo: ASUS P5Q Pro Turbo LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard
CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 Yorkfield 2.83GHz LGA 775 95W
RAM: CORSAIR DOMINATOR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500)
Vid: SAPPHIRE 100265HDMI Radeon HD 4830 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16

Now, I'm certain that I'm bottle-necking in several areas. However, if I could pick just ONE component to upgrade (I'm on a severe restriction of budget here, maybe $150. MAYBE), what should it be? My first guess is the video card, as it seems the only replaceable component without requiring an entirely new motherboard. I could probably up the RAM to DDR2 1300... but that feels like just greasing the wheel a bit to keep it from falling off.

[Edit]It also looks like, if I pay just a smidgen more, I might be able to get a new MoBo AND new RAM... but then I feel that my VCard will bottleneck the rest of the system.[/Edit]

Edited, Jul 30th 2010 11:28am by Deila
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Gents,

Ok, so another very technical question here. From earlier posts you may see that I have been really looking hard into finding a board to support SLI on an AM3 board in the event I want to purchase another card in the future. In fact, I just purchased a GForce 470 this morning (Thanks Mikhalia for the thread getting the 20% coupon & to the user who supplied it!!).

So, I found a board for a decent price which supports the processor I want - 1055T AMD Phenom II X 6.

The board can be found here:

http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=downloaddetail&type=bios&maincat_no=1&prod_no=1885

The issue is, I believe the preset BIOS version for this motherboard doesn't support that processor. On the link I gave you, it shows the BIOS version you will need to download and flash the BIOS in order for it to support that processor.

How difficult is this? Another stupid question - say I put the board all together (include CPU on the board), will it boot up into BIOS even though it can't recognize the processor?

I imagine you can still boot up the BIOS without a processor, and then you go into the M-Flash option, select upgrade BIOS, insert flash drive, select new version and then you're done. Would that be correct?
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Deila wrote:
Well, it looks like I'll be able to run the game! Albeit, it's going to be on rather low settings (Low 2453, High 996)... These are my specs as of now; a computer that I bought at the beginning of the year, expecting it to run the game rather well:

MBo: ASUS P5Q Pro Turbo LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard
CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 Yorkfield 2.83GHz LGA 775 95W
RAM: CORSAIR DOMINATOR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500)
Vid: SAPPHIRE 100265HDMI Radeon HD 4830 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16

Now, I'm certain that I'm bottle-necking in several areas. However, if I could pick just ONE component to upgrade (I'm on a severe restriction of budget here, maybe $150. MAYBE), what should it be? My first guess is the video card, as it seems the only replaceable component without requiring an entirely new motherboard. I could probably up the RAM to DDR2 1300... but that feels like just greasing the wheel a bit to keep it from falling off.

[Edit]It also looks like, if I pay just a smidgen more, I might be able to get a new MoBo AND new RAM... but then I feel that my VCard will bottleneck the rest of the system.[/Edit]

Edited, Jul 30th 2010 11:28am by Deila


Personally, I wouldn't upgrade your CPU/Mobo/Ram just yet. What you have now is a respectable setup (and that Q9550 is just begging to be overclocked).

A new video card would be your best bet.
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So, I'm new to FF online, and figured this would be a good excuse to buy a decent gaming rig.

I'm not in the mood to build a custom rig, I've seen my boss throwing a fit at the lab I work at with the build he set up, and that was for a non-gaming rig.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227176


Price: $789.00

Looks strong, may want to upgrade the video card from what we've seen posted so far.

I bought a similar system and had to buy a wireless network card for it. Perhaps you don't need one. Shipped in just 2 days though. Very happy with it - have not yet had the probelms some of the reviews are mentioning.
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Personally, I wouldn't upgrade your CPU/Mobo/Ram just yet. What you have now is a respectable setup (and that Q9550 is just begging to be overclocked).

A new video card would be your best bet.


I would be all for that if I felt comfortable overclocking. A) I have a very basic tower (not heavily composed of fans nor the best setup for cooling; it's also summer in the high desert!) and B) I... really am not familiar with overclocking :/. I'm always afraid I'll end up chewing up my CPU or MoBo by adjusting settings. Heck, if I could find a decent tutorial that didn't scare the pants off of me, I'd be all over it.

As for video card, I look at it now and wonder "What was I thinking when I picked that up?!" I imagine a 5770 and up would be preferable. Probably with 1GB of VRAM at that. At the moment, I'm still more of an ATI fan over nVidia.

[Edit]Oh, before I forget! Ansec 850W power supply. Should be more than enough juice for everything I need, I believe.[/Edit]

Edited, Jul 30th 2010 2:21pm by Deila
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Well, I just pulled the trigger. Backed out on the 1055T and got the 965 BE.

Here's the complete build, all purchased today! Woot, I am glad this is over with...for now!

COOLER MASTER Storm Scout SGC-2000-KKN1-GP Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
ASUS M4N98TD EVO AM3 NVIDIA nForce 980a SLI ATX AMD Motherboard
COOLER MASTER GX Series RS650-ACAAE3-US 650W ATX12V v2.31 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply
AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL
Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
LG DVD Burner Black SATA Model GH22NS50 - OEM
Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM
EVGA GeForce GTX 470 SuperClocked

Subtotal $921.94
Tax $0.00
UPS 3 Days $6.77
Promo Code -$10.00
Order Total $928.71

That $70 off the 470 Card was an awesome savings. I also expect to order a CPU cooler once I get everything up and running and will overclock the CPU a bit too.

I wonder how I shall fare out? I think this is a pretty nice build for 900$. Thoughts?
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Uh... spew @ Western Digital? Other than that, looks like a great system with an awesome price.
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Deila wrote:
Pickins wrote:
Personally, I wouldn't upgrade your CPU/Mobo/Ram just yet. What you have now is a respectable setup (and that Q9550 is just begging to be overclocked).

A new video card would be your best bet.


I would be all for that if I felt comfortable overclocking. A) I have a very basic tower (not heavily composed of fans nor the best setup for cooling; it's also summer in the high desert!) and B) I... really am not familiar with overclocking :/. I'm always afraid I'll end up chewing up my CPU or MoBo by adjusting settings. Heck, if I could find a decent tutorial that didn't scare the pants off of me, I'd be all over it.

As for video card, I look at it now and wonder "What was I thinking when I picked that up?!" I imagine a 5770 and up would be preferable. Probably with 1GB of VRAM at that. At the moment, I'm still more of an ATI fan over nVidia.

[Edit]Oh, before I forget! Ansec 850W power supply. Should be more than enough juice for everything I need, I believe.[/Edit]

Edited, Jul 30th 2010 2:21pm by Deila



Here is a guide aimed at newbies:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=47089

Personally, I don't go for max overclocks. Instead, I go as high as I can with little to no bump in voltage. Voltage and heat are what kills chips. As long as you have a decent aftermarket cooler and keep the voltages low, overclocking CPU's is pretty safe.

As an example, my Q9400 stock is 2.66Ghz @ 1.175v, but I can easily run it at 3.2 Ghz @ 1.25v (Intel's max voltage for the 45nm C2Q is something like 1.36v). My temps max at 50C and I'm well below max voltage, but I got a speed boost of around 20% (I'm limited by my p35 motherboard).

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Hmm... Interesting. Evidently I'd forgotten to install my RAM in Dual Channel slots, which upped my score to 3052 on Low (haven't checked the high yet... I'm afraid). I found this fact out running CPU-Z where I saw "Single Channel" stated. Single Channel?! Swapped out, higher score. The video is STILL full of wavy sync lines, but it scored higher. I guess a video card COULD do it for me...

Also, I noticed that my multiplier was set only to 6. When the benchmark starts (in windowed mode), it hops up to the 8.5 it should be at. I'm not certain if that will cause any issues, having a regulator running. Certainly saves on energy... but will it reduce performance slightly?

[Edit]I'm going to go out on a limb and say YES. I'm watching the benchmark and the multiplier fluctuates (with no interaction on my part). Will have to look into what's regulating my multiplier and set it manually.[/Edit]

[Edit2]And on the High benchmark, a whopping 1549... Yay. Can't say it didn't match my expectations, but I hate confirming them.[/Edit2]

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OK, so I've been reading this thread, researching on t'net and think I've finally come up with the the PC I'm gonna try and build myself (first time).

Just thought I'd do a final check on here to be sure all the stuff should work together ok.

Case: Antec Three Hundred Midi Case
MoBo: Asus 1366 P6T SE S/L 6400MT/S
CPU: Intel I7-930 Bloomfield Quad Core Processor (2.80 Ghz)
RAM: Corsair CMX6GX3M3A1333C​9 3 x 2GB DDR3 SDRAM
GPU: Zotac GeForce GTX 470 1280MB DDR5 PCI-E
PSU: Corsair TX Series, 750 Watt, ATX, PS/2, Power Supply, UK Version (CMPSU-750TXUK)​
HDD: Western Digital Caviar 500GB SATA II 32MB Cache Dual Processor 3.5 inch Black OEM

The other stuff is just DVD drives and Windows 7 and stuff.

It's a good £1000 all in.

If the link works the stuff is Here.

I was going to get some Corsair 1600 Dominator RAM, but as it was 1600 and the the MoBo says 1600 (OC), I gather I would have to overclock to use that? And I don't know how to do that. So I settled for the 1333 RAM instead.

So, quick check? I think everythings ok, but just to be sure,

Is the case big enough?
Is the PSU enough?
Anything I've missed?

Thanks for your help.

edit: Could this set up support an additional GPU in the future to do "SLI". (I think I understand that "SLI" is adding a second GPU to work toghether and boost the graphics, right?)


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Just an update, as I finished the PC tonight. Scored 4100 on low. Could not see high score, since I am running on a 720P tv, so I couldn't move the window up enough to see the score. =(

For concise info, the build is as follows, and I have not done any overclocking:

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black
MB: ASRock 870 Extreme3
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws DDR3 1333 2x2GB
GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD 5770 1GB GDDR5
HD: Western Digital Caviar Black 500GB
DVD: LiteOn 24x DVD/CD Writer SATA
PSU: RaidMax RX-730SS 730W
CASE: Rosewill Challenger Mid Tower

Quite pleased, and signed myself up for the beta.. hears hoping for keys.

Thanks for everyone's help!
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Uh... spew @ Western Digital? Other than that, looks like a great system with an awesome price.


Eh, I've heard decent things about the Caviar Black series, and since it was SATA 6.0 and a good price I figured what the ****. I've spend hours upon hours upon hours upon hours researching this stuff...I just couldn't keep switching anymore. Not to mention, while I am somewhat savvy with PC's, I've never done my own build, never OC before, and haven't even looked into hardware configurations in years. It was fun, but I'm done for now :)

I'm really satisfied though on the motherboard as I got the AM3 socket with SLI support at a full 2 X 16 lanes. I just said ***** it and pulled the trigger before I spend money on other things, hehe.

Here's to hoping I score decent, and I really appreciate everyone's input on this thread!

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Also, yes there is a rather significant difference between the 5830 and 5770.


I tested a gigabyte 5830 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125317 and a MSI Hawk 5770 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127490 and my scores were very similar. I think the 5830 came in roughly 90 points higher (low only, 1440X900 native). After a minor OC using the afterburner the Hawk broke 4500 in my setup on low.

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#583 Jul 31 2010 at 12:52 AM Rating: Decent
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All right peoples, I need some help here. I ran the benchmark program expecting to get a considerable high score since I believed to have a decent gaming stock laptop from ASUS with specs... Windows Vista 64 bit SP2, Intel (R) Core (TM)2 Duo CPUP8400 @ 2.26GHz 2.27GHz, 4GB Memory, and an NVidia GeForce 98000M GS 512 MB. So I end up getting a score of 1669 for the lowest resolution.

Any advice? Anyone?
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what should i go with the x6 1090 and a gtx 470 or i7 870 and gtx 470? i cant make my mind up
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All right peoples, I need some help here. I ran the benchmark program expecting to get a considerable high score since I believed to have a decent gaming stock laptop from ASUS with specs... Windows Vista 64 bit SP2, Intel (R) Core (TM)2 Duo CPUP8400 @ 2.26GHz 2.27GHz, 4GB Memory, and an NVidia GeForce 98000M GS 512 MB. So I end up getting a score of 1669 for the lowest resolution.


I can't really give you any suggestions, but I can say a couple things you may need to consider. Many replies strewn throughout this thread has asked about how to increase their laptops performance for FFXIV. The short answer is that it is expensive if at all possible. A laptop will not perform as well as a desktop with the same specs. I can say that your CPU looks to be very low end compared to the suggested cpus. If you will be running the game on low res, then you'll want as good of a cpu as you can get.

Secondly, your video card is extremely low end as well. The minimum suggest video card by the real computer guru's here is an ATI 5770 or equivalent video card.

In conclusion, if it were me, I'd consider buying a whole new system (preferably a desktop). I understand this can be expensive, so do make sure you consider all of your options. If you were to try and upgrade your system, it would probably require you to get a whole new motherboard. That's the same problem I ran into with my desktop. I'd say aim for a new system with at least an ATI 5770 video card and the best cpu you can get for the price you can afford. The first page of this thread has a list of cpus and video cards and how well they compare to each other. Also, remember that a desktop will perform better than a laptop with the SAME specs. Mikhalia and Threx are great people to ask for additional info. The links with the hierarchy of cpus and video cards are in the links below. The higher the score, the better.

http://videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html
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Ok. I have been searching and I think I have found the answer to my question but I would like confirmation. So here is my question. I have an amd athlon II x2 215 and would like to upgrade to amd phenom II x4 955, would I be able to simply take out the old CPU and put the new one in and be able to use all 4 cores? Thank you for your time.
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Ok. I have been searching and I think I have found the answer to my question but I would like confirmation. So here is my question. I have an amd athlon II x2 215 and would like to upgrade to amd phenom II x4 955, would I be able to simply take out the old CPU and put the new one in and be able to use all 4 cores? Thank you for your time.


Both are AM3 processors, so it should be a drop-in replacement.

The biggest issue is likely to be your power supply. The x2 is a 65w chip where the x4 is 125w, so you'll want to make sure that your PSU can handle the additional load. Without knowing more of your specs, it's impossible to say what the wattage needs to be. Also, don't try to use the same heatsink on the x2 as the x4. I can't say for a fact, but I'd be willing to bet that the x4 comes with a beefier cooler to dissipate the extra 60w of heat.

If the new chip doesn't work, your first step should be to flash the motherboard's bios with the newest stable version using your old CPU.

In Windows, it'll probably "detect new hardware" and maybe want to reboot, but you shouldn't need to do anything to make the extra cores be recognized. An easy way to check is to open task manager (type "taskmgr" at the search field in the start menu) and check the "Performance" tab. You should have 4 graphs under "CPU Usage History" (one per core). I did the same recently using Win7 and it was very smooth.
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Thank you very much for your help I think I will give it a try. I have already upgraded my power to 600w to handle the gtx 465 I put in. I score 2100ish on the benchmark on both high and low so I know the CPU is where my system is bottlenecked.
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Ok. I have been searching and I think I have found the answer to my question but I would like confirmation. So here is my question. I have an amd athlon II x2 215 and would like to upgrade to amd phenom II x4 955, would I be able to simply take out the old CPU and put the new one in and be able to use all 4 cores? Thank you for your time.


If they are both AM3 sockets, then the 955 will fit right in. However, the one thing you may want to make sure (as I found out during my recent research), is that your motherboards BIOS version may require an upgrade before it will recognize the newer processor.

For example - I was going to purchase the 1055 Hexacore, but a few of the boards I wanted didn't support this processor without a BIOS update. Well, I have no other chips to use to launch BIOS, so I was kinda screwed.

Just an FYI...
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hey i just ordered a Alienware.I was wondering if i will be able to play on high settings with these spec. i know i could have built a better pc my self for cheaper but im scared to mess something up.

Overclocked Intel Core i7 930 QC (3.36GHz, 8MB Cache)
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Thank you Swisa for your help in my previous post. I guess I made a bad decision by getting a laptop for videogames. :(

Anyways, here is my attempt to get a desktop, I don't know much about hardware or anything, so pretty much went out to get what I could with my current (possibly) budget and kind of semi-custome a stock pc.

CPU: Intel Core i3 (2x 2.93GHz/4MB L3 Cache)
CPU Cooler: Liquid CPU Cooling system w/ 120mm Radiator
Motherboard: Asus P7H55 Intel H55 Express chipset w/8-ch HD Audio, Dual channel, Gb LAN, S-ATA, USB, 1x PCI- 2.0 x16
Memory: 4GB (2 GB X2) DDR3-1333
Graphics:ATI Radeon HD 5450 1GB
Hard Drive:1 TB Hard drive 16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 3.0GB/s
Case: Cooler Master HAF 922 Gaming Case Black
Power: 450 Watt Standard Power Supply
Optical: 24X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive
Gaming Network Card: Killer Xeno Pro
OS: Windows 7

I know components seem kind of lame, but I think I could upgrade them at a later time. So any comments?
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Well, I just pulled the trigger. Backed out on the 1055T and got the 965 BE.


Wasn't on the forums yesterday so didn't reply to your other question in time. It's a good thing you went with the 965. If you went with the 1055T, you wouldn't be able to boot up your computer. You would first need to boot up your computer with a supported CPU, flashed the BIOS, then install the 1055T.

Cheers!


Edit: Oh, didn't see you already found your answer. Oh, well... :P

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Is the case big enough?
Is the PSU enough?
Anything I've missed?

Thanks for your help.

edit: Could this set up support an additional GPU in the future to do "SLI". (I think I understand that "SLI" is adding a second GPU to work toghether and boost the graphics, right?)


Case should be big enough as long as it's at least a mid tower.

The PSU is fine right now. If you're planning to add a second video card in the future, though, go with at least a 900W.

You won't be able to add a second GTX 470 for SLI. Your motherboard supports CrossfireX, not SLI. Therefore, you can only run two ATI video cards, not two Geforces.

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what should i go with the x6 1090 and a gtx 470 or i7 870 and gtx 470? i cant make my mind up


If you're strictly talking about FFXIV, I'd go with the i7.

For futureproof, I think the 1090 would be a better choice.
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I was wondering if i will be able to play on high settings with these spec.


Yes.
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CPU: Intel Core i3 (2x 2.93GHz/4MB L3 Cache)
CPU Cooler: Liquid CPU Cooling system w/ 120mm Radiator
Motherboard: Asus P7H55 Intel H55 Express chipset w/8-ch HD Audio, Dual channel, Gb LAN, S-ATA, USB, 1x PCI- 2.0 x16
Memory: 4GB (2 GB X2) DDR3-1333
Graphics:ATI Radeon HD 5450 1GB
Hard Drive:1 TB Hard drive 16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 3.0GB/s
Case: Cooler Master HAF 922 Gaming Case Black
Power: 450 Watt Standard Power Supply
Optical: 24X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive
Gaming Network Card: Killer Xeno Pro
OS: Windows 7

I know components seem kind of lame, but I think I could upgrade them at a later time. So any comments?


What's your budget?

First thing I'd recommend to upgrade is that CPU (a quad core highly recommended). Next thing would be your PSU (at least 550W recommended). Next would be your video card (at least HD 5770 recommended).

You don't need that liquid cooling system if you aren't overclocking. Just get a decent heatsink+fan.

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Threx wrote:
AhiraSonofEnan wrote:

CPU: Intel Core i3 (2x 2.93GHz/4MB L3 Cache)
CPU Cooler: Liquid CPU Cooling system w/ 120mm Radiator
Motherboard: Asus P7H55 Intel H55 Express chipset w/8-ch HD Audio, Dual channel, Gb LAN, S-ATA, USB, 1x PCI- 2.0 x16
Memory: 4GB (2 GB X2) DDR3-1333
Graphics:ATI Radeon HD 5450 1GB
Hard Drive:1 TB Hard drive 16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 3.0GB/s
Case: Cooler Master HAF 922 Gaming Case Black
Power: 450 Watt Standard Power Supply
Optical: 24X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive
Gaming Network Card: Killer Xeno Pro
OS: Windows 7

I know components seem kind of lame, but I think I could upgrade them at a later time. So any comments?


What's your budget?

First thing I'd recommend to upgrade is that CPU (a quad core highly recommended). Next thing would be your PSU (at least 550W recommended). Next would be your video card (at least HD 5770 recommended).

You don't need that liquid cooling system if you aren't overclocking. Just get a decent heatsink+fan.



Yeah, the GPU and CPU are desperately in need of an upgrade.
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I agree completely with Threx. You seem to be upgrading odd things like the cooling system and the network card while pinching on the important things like the CPU and GPU.

Bare minimum for decent results seems to be an AMD X3 CPU and a 5770 1GB GPU. Anything less and you aren't really making it worth your while to buy a new PC.

If you list your budget I am sure you can get tons of advice on what to buy.
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Lol, thank you all for your advice. Originally I wanted to stay under $700, but as you may have noted, I really don't know what I am doing. I think I will take it easy and will build pretty much the "Even Match" pc suggested in the beginning of this post. I will be buying things as I see possible and maybe I will catch some on sales. Plus as I am building it, I will take time to learn what each component is really for. Hopefully I will finish building before everything gets outdated ~.~

Thank you all for your help, as I start in the building process I will post how it is going.

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Lol, thank you all for your advice. Originally I wanted to stay under $700, but as you may have noted, I really don't know what I am doing. I think I will take it easy and will build pretty much the "Even Match" pc suggested in the beginning of this post. I will be buying things as I see possible and maybe I will catch some on sales. Plus as I am building it, I will take time to learn what each component is really for. Hopefully I will finish building before everything gets outdated ~.~

Thank you all for your help, as I start in the building process I will post how it is going.

Regards.


Make sure to look at newegg.com. They have combos galore that you can take advantage of. You'll save instantly with combo savings plus you'll probably get some sort of rebate along with it. Good luck with your build! Reading through this thread will definately teach you a lot. I've learned more from this thread than I did the last couple years from looking at what looked good and what didn't. I've always gone by hey it has more mb, so it must be a lot better.
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If you have the budget, then yes, a quad core would be good, but IMO the i3 is a pretty **** good cpu. You can OC the **** out of it and it'll say, "Please sir, can I have some more?" My i3-530 is running at 3.7 GHz and rarely sees 60 C, with a Cooler Master 212+. Definitely upgrade the PSU (at least 600 W) and GPU (at least HD5770) and you be fine.
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