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#602 Aug 01 2010 at 7:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Ahira,

Take a look at this site if you want to look for a prebuilt:

http://www.avadirect.com/product_details_configurator.asp?PRID=15159

then select the following options (most are the defaults):

COMPUCASE HEC 6C28B Black Mid-Tower Case, No PSU, ATX
HEC Orion HP 585D 585W Power Supply, 24-pin ATX, ATX12V, Dual 80mm Fans, OEM
GIGABYTE GA-MA785GMT-UD2H (rev. 1.0), AM3, AMD® 785G
AMD Phenom™ II X3 720 Triple-Core 2.8GHz, AM3
CRUCIAL 4GB (2 x 2GB) PC3-10600 DDR3 1333MHz CL9 1.5V SDRAM DIMM, Non-ECC
SEAGATE 500GB Barracuda® 7200.12, SATA 3 Gb/s, 7200 RPM, 16MB cache
SONY AD-7241S Black 24x DVD±R/RW Dual-Layer Burner w/ Lightscribe, SATA, OEM
MICROSOFT Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Edition, OEM
WARRANTY Silver Warranty Package (3 Year Limited Parts, 3 Year Labor Warranty)

This comes to a total of $603 and you can drop in any GPU you want, like a 5770. You can also play around with the configuration options to play around.

For the best bang for your buck, I would recommend using only one GPU. Skipping SLI or Crossfire allows you to use a less expensive PSU and MoBo as well as only buying one good GPU instead of two mediocre ones.

The AMD X3 can also be unlocked to a quad core giving you great bang for your buck.
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Thanks Enscheff, it does seem pretty good. Now, about how much with this pc score? Eventhough I am in a budget, I would like to see some difference in what I am getting to what I have now.

lol, this computer building stuff is making me read a LOT, I really mean a LOT. And once again, thank you all. You really are good help and good people. I hope we can meet in game.
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Enscheff wrote:
AMD Phenom™ II X3 720 Triple-Core 2.8GHz, AM3

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The AMD X3 can also be unlocked to a quad core giving you great bang for your buck.


I'd just go for a quad core out of the box.
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Question on CPU Coolers -

I've purchased the AMD 965 BE and am consider OC'ing it a bit. I've been looking at CPU coolers, but I am unsure what fits. I assume I am just looking for a 120mm fan/heatsink, correct?

What things should I consider if I am trying to OC from 3.4 to 4.0 Ghz? Also, how difficult is it to OC? I've been reading up on this, but I will say my research is still premature at the moment, so apologies in advance if this question seems noobish.

I know you can adjust the multiplier which has an effect of increasing the clock speed. Where I get confused is when/why you need to start adjusting things like voltage? If someone is good at it, can you give a high level description of general guidelines to follow?

To give you a basis of my understanding - the first thing I would do is increase the multiplier by 1, which then I would see where that puts me at core speed. Then maybe I do it again. How would I know when I need to increase voltage to support higher multipliers? How would I know what the voltage should be? Is there some formula I need to follow, or should I look for cookie-cutter approaches for my motherboard/pcu combination? How should I take this into consideration as to which cpu cooler setup I would buy?

I do plan on running everything stock at first, see how it performs, and ultimately determine if it's even worth it. Again, this is my first time building a new pc (parts arrive Weds, woohoo) and as I look at this whole processes of building, OC'ing, being my first go-round with it I'm worried I may be getting myself in too deep without knowing all the risks.

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#606 Aug 02 2010 at 10:32 AM Rating: Decent
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One thing I know for sure about overclocking is that you need to be very mindful of your temps, both at rest and at load. I picked up the 955 BE, and I just did a simple multiplier increase from x16 to x17 to get it to 3.4GHz, and my temps increased by about 1-2 degrees C. That's with the stock cooler from AMD. I haven't decided if I want to get further into it or not, but that one little change did boost my benchmark score by a couple hundred points.
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KnocturnalOne wrote:
Question on CPU Coolers -

I've purchased the AMD 965 BE and am consider OC'ing it a bit. I've been looking at CPU coolers, but I am unsure what fits. I assume I am just looking for a 120mm fan/heatsink, correct?


If you're looking at a HSF, make sure it says it supports AM3 sockets (your 965 is AM3). Another thing, though, is that you should make sure that nothing else is in the way. Some motherboards have pretty big heatsinks jutting out near the CPU socket and can get in the way of larger HSFs.


KnocturnalOne wrote:
What things should I consider if I am trying to OC from 3.4 to 4.0 Ghz? Also, how difficult is it to OC? I've been reading up on this, but I will say my research is still premature at the moment, so apologies in advance if this question seems noobish.


The 965 is a breeze to OC. It has an unlocked multiplier, so you can simply raise that without having to mess with anything else on your system.


KnocturnalOne wrote:
I know you can adjust the multiplier which has an effect of increasing the clock speed. Where I get confused is when/why you need to start adjusting things like voltage? If someone is good at it, can you give a high level description of general guidelines to follow?

To give you a basis of my understanding - the first thing I would do is increase the multiplier by 1, which then I would see where that puts me at core speed. Then maybe I do it again. How would I know when I need to increase voltage to support higher multipliers? How would I know what the voltage should be? Is there some formula I need to follow, or should I look for cookie-cutter approaches for my motherboard/pcu combination? How should I take this into consideration as to which cpu cooler setup I would buy?


You increase your voltage when your CPU becomes unstable. Basically, you just increase its speed gradually while checking for stability. Once you hit a speed where it becomes unstable (your computer crashes, BSODs, etc.), you can increase the voltage to stabilize it (the more volts, the more stable your CPU is). The drawback is: the more volts, the hotter your CPU runs. If I remember right, for the Phenom 965, make sure the temperature doesn't go over 55 degrees C full load and you should be fine. The rule of thumb is to increase your voltage ONLY when you need to. There is no formula for this. Every CPU is different. One CPU you may be able to OC to 4.0 while running X volts through it. Then another CPU of exactly the same type may need Y volts to be able to run at 4.0. Your mileage may vary. As for CPU coolers, read the reviews, they can tell you a lot. If you really want to push your 965 though, I recommend the Corsair H50 liquid cooler. I'm planning to OC a 955 myself, and I will be using the H50.

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#608 Aug 02 2010 at 11:23 AM Rating: Good
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Enscheff wrote:
AMD Phenom™ II X3 720 Triple-Core 2.8GHz, AM3

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The AMD X3 can also be unlocked to a quad core giving you great bang for your buck.


I'd just go for a quad core out of the box.


Yeah, unlocking cores is NOT guaranteed. Just buy a factory x4.
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You increase your voltage when your CPU becomes unstable. Basically, you just increase its speed gradually while checking for stability. Once you hit a speed where it becomes unstable (your computer crashes, BSODs, etc.), you can increase the voltage to stabilize it (the more volts, the more stable your CPU is). The drawback is: the more volts, the hotter your CPU runs. If I remember right, for the Phenom 965, make sure the temperature doesn't go over 55 degrees C full load and you should be fine. The rule of thumb is to increase your voltage ONLY when you need to. There is no formula for this. Every CPU is different. One CPU you may be able to OC to 4.0 while running X volts through it. Then another CPU of exactly the same type may need Y volts to be able to run at 4.0. Your mileage may vary. As for CPU coolers, read the reviews, they can tell you a lot. If you really want to push your 965 though, I recommend the Corsair H50 liquid cooler. I'm planning to OC a 955 myself, and I will be using the H50.



Thanks so much for the quick reply. This makes perfect sense.

After doing more research, the stock multiplier is 17 (FSB = 200) which gives the 3.4 GHZ. I would like to try 3.8 initially, which means I would adjust my multiplier by 2, so 19. I will do this in increments of one, testing each step to see where I am at.

I will also look at the stock voltage and record it. I guess my question then becomes, since there is no formula for raising voltage, is there a standard incremental increase? Like, increase it by .05 until you become stable? I have found the voltage ranges (min/max), but I just don't know how much to adjust without doing too much.

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#610 Aug 02 2010 at 6:01 PM Rating: Decent
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So I just built a new computer, someone tell me why I am getting such low scores.

CPU: I7-930
CPU Cooler: Coolermaster V8
Memory: Corsair Dominator 6GB DDR3 1600
MB: Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R
HDD: WD Caviar Black 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache, SATA III
PSU: Cooler Master Silent Pro RS850
Graphics Card: GTX 460 Gigabyte 1GB
Case: Cooler Master HAF 932
OS: Windows 7 64bit Pro

I'm getting 2700 on high. I would expect more than that. Also, my temp for my cpu seems high, I'm running at 40 idle, and 70 on low. I'm shutting off Aero when I run the benchmark to see if that helps at all.
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Since the 965's voltage range is 0.825-1.40V, you can go with 0.05 increments. So:

0.825
0.875
0.925
etc.

From what I've seen, people who have overclocked the 965 to 4.2Ghz had their voltage at around 1.4, if that's any help. But don't just jump from 0.825 to, like, 1.3 or something. You need some pretty good cooling or that will fry your CPU.
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Muzner wrote:
So I just built a new computer, someone tell me why I am getting such low scores.

CPU: I7-930
Graphics Card: GTX 460 Gigabyte 1GB


I'm getting 2700 on high. I would expect more than that. Also, my temp for my cpu seems high, I'm running at 40 idle, and 70 on low. I'm shutting off Aero when I run the benchmark to see if that helps at all.


That's pretty much the expected score from a GTX 460 at stock clock. It doesn't put up pretty numbers on high. Don't worry about it just yet, though, the game still isn't fully optimized for Geforces. I'm sure SE will improve it before retail.

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#613 Aug 02 2010 at 6:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Well I just overclocked the 460, and I'm getting 500 points more, (3200) on high. So that at least seems to help some. I will keep my fingers crossed for more optimization.
#614 Aug 02 2010 at 8:25 PM Rating: Decent
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how does this laptop look?
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5592727&CatId=4938

Here are the specs:
Memory Type: DDR3
Memory Size: 4GB
Memory Speed: DDR3 1066
HD Capacity: 320GB
Hard Drive Speed: 7200 RPM
Processor Brand: Intel
Processor Class: Core i7
Processor Type: Quad-Core
Processor Speed: 1.6GHz
Processor Number: i7-720QM
Operating Systems: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit
Graphics Description: Dedicated Graphics
GPU/VPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTS 360M
Video Memory: 1GB DDR5 discrete graphics memory

Edited, Aug 2nd 2010 10:28pm by Salamander135

Edited, Aug 2nd 2010 10:32pm by Salamander135
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Since I am all up to the challenge of building a system I will be spamming with a bunch of questions, so at any time you guys can tell me to stop. As I had mentioned before, I will venture with the "Even Match" build.

Motherboard MSI 790X-G45 AM3 Chipset: AMD 790X $100
Processor Phenom II X3 720 Black Edition 2.8 GHz 3Cores, 6MB L3 Cache (OEM) $90
CPU Cooler Cooler Master HyperTX 3 $20
Memory Crucial 4GB (2x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3-1333Dual-Channel Desktop Memory Kit $112
Graphics 2 x Radeon HD 5830 (CrossFireX) 1GB GDDR5-4000 Per Card $480
Hard Drives WD Caviar Blue 320GB 320GB, 7,200 RPM, 8MB Cache SATA 3.0 Gb/s $48
Optical Lite-On iHas124 24x DVD+R, 8x DVD+RW, 48x CD ROM $23
Case Antec Three Hundred $60
Power Corsair CMPSU-650TX 650WATX12V, EPS12V , 80-Plus Certified $90

So to start off, I have a couple of questions?
1. It was commented in a post earlier that a medium size case may not be big enough for some builds with two graphic cards. Will the Antec 300 be big enough for this build?
2. Will the PSU handle the two graphic cards? What about if I decided to OC a little?
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Threx wrote:
Since the 965's voltage range is 0.825-1.40V, you can go with 0.05 increments. So:

0.825
0.875
0.925
etc.

From what I've seen, people who have overclocked the 965 to 4.2Ghz had their voltage at around 1.4, if that's any help. But don't just jump from 0.825 to, like, 1.3 or something. You need some pretty good cooling or that will fry your CPU.


Agreed. I think I also learned that I need to see what it's set out in BIOS factory, I don't think it will start at 0.825 at 3.4 Ghz.

Thanks a bunch for your help!
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I have another question a little bit off topic but non the less important to me. What is your take on buying open item hardware?
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how does this laptop look?
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5592727&CatId=4938

Here are the specs:
Memory Size: 4GB
Memory Speed: DDR3 1066
Processor Class: Core i7
Processor Type: Quad-Core
Processor Speed: 1.6GHz
Processor Number: i7-720QM
GPU/VPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTS 360M
Video Memory: 1GB DDR5 discrete graphics memory


That's not gonna run the game very well at all. Probably very low settings. Not recommended.
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AhiraSonofEnan wrote:
Since I am all up to the challenge of building a system I will be spamming with a bunch of questions, so at any time you guys can tell me to stop. As I had mentioned before, I will venture with the "Even Match" build.

Motherboard MSI 790X-G45 AM3 Chipset: AMD 790X $100
Processor Phenom II X3 720 Black Edition 2.8 GHz 3Cores, 6MB L3 Cache (OEM) $90
Memory Crucial 4GB (2x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3-1333Dual-Channel Desktop Memory Kit $112
Graphics 2 x Radeon HD 5830 (CrossFireX) 1GB GDDR5-4000 Per Card $480
Case Antec Three Hundred $60
Power Corsair CMPSU-650TX 650WATX12V, EPS12V , 80-Plus Certified $90

So to start off, I have a couple of questions?
1. It was commented in a post earlier that a medium size case may not be big enough for some builds with two graphic cards. Will the Antec 300 be big enough for this build?
2. Will the PSU handle the two graphic cards? What about if I decided to OC a little?



1. I -think- it should be big enough for two 5830s, but you should check with the store just to be sure.

2. I recommend at least a 750W if you're going for two 5830s. If you're going to OC your system, too, then go with at least 850W.

3. If you have a big enough budget for two 5830s, I'd recommend you upgrade that CPU into a quad core. :)

Edit: About open box items, I don't have any experience with those so I can't really comment. The store should have tested all items before selling them as open box anyway, so they -should- be pretty safe. I don't know if they come with any warranties.

Edited, Aug 2nd 2010 10:29pm by Threx
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Could someone recommend the best air heatsink for a 1366 chip? The Coolermaster V8 I bought doesn't seem to do as good a job as I thought it would. I've been looking at these:

Frio

Noctua

Not too sure what else would be comparable. I don't really mind spending the extra money for the Noctua, as long as I wind up seeing a difference from the V8 I have now. I'm idling at 40, and low 70 on 100%.

Thanks for the help!

Also, what is the best thermal paste? I used MX-2 this time around.

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What about if I don't have enough money? Should I still go to quad and use only one HD 5830? Or it is too drastic of a change? Maybe just for some time until I have enough for the second one. I would rather go a little below than a little higher lol
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Also, what is the best thermal paste? I used MX-2 this time around.

Edited, Aug 2nd 2010 11:30pm by Muzner


I think the best thermal paste is Arctic Silver 5, at least from my research that was my conclusion. I ordered some with my parts, was like 10$ from newegg.
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#623 Aug 02 2010 at 10:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Alright, so I decided before I noticed that laptop to build a desktop PC.

Here's what I've got so far:
500 GigWD Caviar 500GB Serial ATA HD 7200/16MB/SATA-3G
GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5
Still Looking For:
Gonna go with 4 GB of DDR3 RAM
700/750W PSU (not sure yet)
Intel Core i5 750 Processor
Intel Desktop Board DP55WB Motherboard

What I'm not sure about is the case and the power supply.
Here's the case I'm looking at:
Gigabyte GZPH1A30 ATX Mid-Tower Case - ATX/Micro ATX, USB, No PSU, Black

Any suggestions would be appreciated!
I am working on a budget, I've spent around 300ish, so I've only got about $700 available

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Threx, what do you think about AMD Athlon II X4 630 Propus 2.8GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Processor ADX630WFGIBOX ($100) or maybe AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ940XCJ4DGI - OEM ($126)
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Muzner wrote:
Could someone recommend the best air heatsink for a 1366 chip? The Coolermaster V8 I bought doesn't seem to do as good a job as I thought it would. I've been looking at these:

Frio

Noctua

Not too sure what else would be comparable. I don't really mind spending the extra money for the Noctua, as long as I wind up seeing a difference from the V8 I have now. I'm idling at 40, and low 70 on 100%.

Thanks for the help!

Also, what is the best thermal paste? I used MX-2 this time around.


Here's a list of HSFs that support 1366:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100008000%20600035360&IsNodeId=1&name=LGA%201366

There are plenty of customer reviews. I'm sure reading tens/hundreds of reviews will give you better insight than a few people's opinions here. :)

Arctic Silver 5 is one of the best thermal pastes. It doesn't get much better than that.
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What about if I don't have enough money? Should I still go to quad and use only one HD 5830? Or it is too drastic of a change? Maybe just for some time until I have enough for the second one. I would rather go a little below than a little higher lol


I'd suggest going with just one 5830 (or 5850) for now and get a quad core CPU and a bigger power supply. Then in the future when you have more money you can slap on a second video card. :)
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Alright, so I decided before I noticed that laptop to build a desktop PC.

Here's what I've got so far:
500 GigWD Caviar 500GB Serial ATA HD 7200/16MB/SATA-3G
GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5
Still Looking For:
Gonna go with 4 GB of DDR3 RAM
700/750W PSU (not sure yet)
Intel Core i5 750 Processor
Intel Desktop Board DP55WB Motherboard

What I'm not sure about is the case and the power supply.
Here's the case I'm looking at:
Gigabyte GZPH1A30 ATX Mid-Tower Case - ATX/Micro ATX, USB, No PSU, Black

Any suggestions would be appreciated!
I am working on a budget, I've spent around 300ish, so I've only got about $700 available



If you're going with a GTX 470, make sure your power supply has at least 40 Amps on the 12V rail.

Do not get that case. Get a better case with better ventilation. The GTX 470 runs pretty hot under load.

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Threx, what do you think about AMD Athlon II X4 630 Propus 2.8GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Processor ADX630WFGIBOX ($100) or maybe AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ940XCJ4DGI - OEM ($126)



Either one is fine, but if it's within your budget go with the 940. It's quite a bit better.
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#629 Aug 03 2010 at 12:06 AM Rating: Decent
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Threx wrote:
Salamander135 wrote:
Alright, so I decided before I noticed that laptop to build a desktop PC.

Here's what I've got so far:
500 GigWD Caviar 500GB Serial ATA HD 7200/16MB/SATA-3G
GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5
Still Looking For:
Gonna go with 4 GB of DDR3 RAM
700/750W PSU (not sure yet)
Intel Core i5 750 Processor
Intel Desktop Board DP55WB Motherboard

What I'm not sure about is the case and the power supply.
Here's the case I'm looking at:
Gigabyte GZPH1A30 ATX Mid-Tower Case - ATX/Micro ATX, USB, No PSU, Black

Any suggestions would be appreciated!
I am working on a budget, I've spent around 300ish, so I've only got about $700 available



If you're going with a GTX 470, make sure your power supply has at least 40 Amps on the 12V rail.

Do not get that case. Get a better case with better ventilation. The GTX 470 runs pretty hot under load.



Any recommendations on the motherboard/processor?
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This isnt a build question:

I'm overclocking my 9800gtx+ just to see how much more I could squeeze out of it before I get my new GPU/CPU. But instead of my benchmark going higher, it goes down lol. The highest I get are with stock clocks. Any ideas why this could be happening?
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#631 Aug 03 2010 at 2:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Threx wrote:


If you're going with a GTX 470, make sure your power supply has at least 40 Amps on the 12V rail.

Do not get that case. Get a better case with better ventilation. The GTX 470 runs pretty hot under load.



Also, how is this for a PSU?
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Hello, I just recently purchased some items from a website called Newegg to build a computer that I hope will run Final Fantasy XIV... even if it is only at minimum settings. I do not really care too much about putting the graphics at maximum settings, just so long as I am able to play the game. I am hoping someone will know computers well enough to shed some light on whether you think I will be able to run the game at all. Here is what I purchased:

Computer Case: COOLER MASTER HAF X
Motherboard: ASUS Crosshair IV Formula AM3 AMD 890FX
CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition 3.2GHz
Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 1280MB
PSU: Sparkle Comp Corp 1250Watt 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular PS

I am kind of nervous that the CPU and GPU might not be enough to handle the game. The other items I think are a little sketchy too. What do you guys think?

I also thought I should get some cooling for the CPU, so I got an after market CPU cooler. I was not really too picky about this part as it is only a cooler and I figure the air flow in my room from my AC unit will probably be enough to cool it without the extra cooling. But I guess its better to be safe than sorry. So here is what I decided to get for that:

COOLER MASTER V6 GT CPU Cooler

I thought it was pretty cool that they shrunk a v6 engine to power it with. A friend told me Newegg also sell a special toothpaste like stuff that you slap on the CPU AFTER you mount the CPU cooler onto the CPU. So I got me some of that as well. I think it was made by Arctic Silver.

I would like to thank anyone for any help or insight they can give me on whether you think this computer setup will be able to run Final Fantasy XIV or not. If not, hopefully you can point me to some items that I should purchase as replacements for some of the items lacking in speed or performance.

-Max
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Any recommendations on the motherboard/processor?
Also, how is this for a PSU?


The i5 750 is fine...for now. However, since it uses socket 1156, it's very limited in upgradeability. If you can afford it, I'd recommend one of the lower end socket 1366 processors (such as a 920) so you can upgrade it in the future if you want a better CPU.

And that PSU is fine if you're not doing any overclocking.
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Hello, I just recently purchased some items from a website called Newegg to build a computer that I hope will run Final Fantasy XIV... even if it is only at minimum settings. I do not really care too much about putting the graphics at maximum settings, just so long as I am able to play the game. I am hoping someone will know computers well enough to shed some light on whether you think I will be able to run the game at all. Here is what I purchased:

Motherboard: ASUS Crosshair IV Formula AM3 AMD 890FX
CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition 3.2GHz
Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 1280MB
PSU: Sparkle Comp Corp 1250Watt 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular PS

I am kind of nervous that the CPU and GPU might not be enough to handle the game. The other items I think are a little sketchy too. What do you guys think?

I also thought I should get some cooling for the CPU, so I got an after market CPU cooler. I was not really too picky about this part as it is only a cooler and I figure the air flow in my room from my AC unit will probably be enough to cool it without the extra cooling. But I guess its better to be safe than sorry. So here is what I decided to get for that:

COOLER MASTER V6 GT CPU Cooler

I thought it was pretty cool that they shrunk a v6 engine to power it with. A friend told me Newegg also sell a special toothpaste like stuff that you slap on the CPU AFTER you mount the CPU cooler onto the CPU. So I got me some of that as well. I think it was made by Arctic Silver.

I would like to thank anyone for any help or insight they can give me on whether you think this computer setup will be able to run Final Fantasy XIV or not. If not, hopefully you can point me to some items that I should purchase as replacements for some of the items lacking in speed or performance.

-Max



I can't figure out if you're trolling or not. I'm just going to assume it's the latter.

That system will run the game decently on high settings, not just low.

That power supply is overkill. If you're not planning on overclocking (or don't know what that means) you only need a 700W power supply for that system.

That CPU cooler looks fine. However, you don't apply the "toothpaste" AFTER you mount the CPU cooler on the CPU. You apply it BEFORE. I think what your friend means is that you should apply it after you mount the CPU onto the mainboard. Basically, the steps are: mount CPU onto mainboard -> apply your choice of "toothpaste" -> mount the CPU cooler.

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Stormiyo wrote:
Hello, I just recently purchased some items from a website called Newegg to build a computer that I hope will run Final Fantasy XIV... even if it is only at minimum settings. I do not really care too much about putting the graphics at maximum settings, just so long as I am able to play the game. I am hoping someone will know computers well enough to shed some light on whether you think I will be able to run the game at all. Here is what I purchased:

Motherboard: ASUS Crosshair IV Formula AM3 AMD 890FX
CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition 3.2GHz
Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 1280MB
PSU: Sparkle Comp Corp 1250Watt 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular PS

I am kind of nervous that the CPU and GPU might not be enough to handle the game. The other items I think are a little sketchy too. What do you guys think?

I also thought I should get some cooling for the CPU, so I got an after market CPU cooler. I was not really too picky about this part as it is only a cooler and I figure the air flow in my room from my AC unit will probably be enough to cool it without the extra cooling. But I guess its better to be safe than sorry. So here is what I decided to get for that:

COOLER MASTER V6 GT CPU Cooler

I thought it was pretty cool that they shrunk a v6 engine to power it with. A friend told me Newegg also sell a special toothpaste like stuff that you slap on the CPU AFTER you mount the CPU cooler onto the CPU. So I got me some of that as well. I think it was made by Arctic Silver.

I would like to thank anyone for any help or insight they can give me on whether you think this computer setup will be able to run Final Fantasy XIV or not. If not, hopefully you can point me to some items that I should purchase as replacements for some of the items lacking in speed or performance.

-Max



I can't figure out if you're trolling or not. I'm just going to assume it's the latter.

That system will run the game decently on high settings, not just low.

That power supply is overkill. If you're not planning on overclocking (or don't know what that means) you only need a 700W power supply for that system.

That CPU cooler looks fine. However, you don't apply the "toothpaste" AFTER you mount the CPU cooler on the CPU. You apply it BEFORE. I think what your friend means is that you should apply it after you mount the CPU onto the mainboard. Basically, the steps are: mount CPU onto mainboard -> apply your choice of "toothpaste" -> mount the CPU cooler.



Agreed, I can't tell if he's trolling or not. But just to echo what Threx said, I was in a similar situation and wound up going with nearly the same setup, except I got an SLI board rather than Xfire. I would also recommend to check your motherboards website and ensure it will recognize the hexacore processor out of the box without having to do any BIOS upgrades - this is why I didn't go with the 1055T. If it doesn't, and you don't have another processor to but on the board to get it in BIOS and flash a new version, your hands are tied a bit. Something to consider.
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I currently am playing Aion and have had no problems playing the game, but when I ran the benchmark for Final Fantasy XIV I never got over 700. I have been considering upgrading my computer and want one that is going to last for a few years, so I do not mind spending a little bit of money on it. This is what I am currently considering getting. Please let me know what you think.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=31135&csid=ITD&body=MAIN#detailspecs

Intel Core i7 930 2.8ghz
12GB DDR3-1333
1TB SATA II
Crossfire ATI HD-5770

Thank you for any help you can give me!
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I currently am playing Aion and have had no problems playing the game, but when I ran the benchmark for Final Fantasy XIV I never got over 700. I have been considering upgrading my computer and want one that is going to last for a few years, so I do not mind spending a little bit of money on it. This is what I am currently considering getting. Please let me know what you think.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=31135&csid=ITD&body=MAIN#detailspecs

Intel Core i7 930 2.8ghz
12GB DDR3-1333
1TB SATA II
Crossfire ATI HD-5770

Thank you for any help you can give me!


CPU: That's fine.
GPUs: That's good.
RAM: 12Gb?! That's WAY overkill. ****, even 8Gb is already overkill unless you work as a graphics designer. Just for running the game, 6Gb is more than enough. According to that link, they have 6 sticks of 2Gb RAM set up for you. Lose 3 of them, so you're down to 6Gb.

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Thank you for your quick reply! Is there any reason I would NEED to remove the additional 6GB, such as a performance issue or anything?
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No, there is no reason you would need to remove them. But there is a reason or two you should remove them. :P

1. Lowers the price of the system.
2. Saves a tad bit on your electricity bills since your system will use a tad bit less power.
3. If you use all 6 RAM slots now, you will need to replace some of them (the old sticks will go to waste) if you decide to upgrade (to more than 12Gb) later. With 3 free slots, though, you add more sticks and nothing is wasted.
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So I just built a new computer, someone tell me why I am getting such low scores.

CPU: I7-930
CPU Cooler: Coolermaster V8
Memory: Corsair Dominator 6GB DDR3 1600
MB: Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R
HDD: WD Caviar Black 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache, SATA III
PSU: Cooler Master Silent Pro RS850
Graphics Card: GTX 460 Gigabyte 1GB
Case: Cooler Master HAF 932
OS: Windows 7 64bit Pro

I'm getting 2700 on high. I would expect more than that. Also, my temp for my cpu seems high, I'm running at 40 idle, and 70 on low. I'm shutting off Aero when I run the benchmark to see if that helps at all.


This is very close to the PC I am building. Although I chose the GTX470.

I should have it built tomorrow, if all goes well. I'll let you know the scores.
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No, there is no reason you would need to remove them. But there is a reason or two you should remove them. :P

1. Lowers the price of the system.
2. Saves a tad bit on your electricity bills since your system will use a tad bit less power.
3. If you use all 6 RAM slots now, you will need to replace some of them (the old sticks will go to waste) if you decide to upgrade (to more than 12Gb) later. With 3 free slots, though, you add more sticks and nothing is wasted.


I'm gonna second this. 12 GB of RAM is like a bachelor in an 8 bed, 5 bath house. It's way more than you need and you can always upgrade later when you -do- need it.
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Ok, here is the last reviewed build.

CPU AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ940XCJ4DGI - OEM $126
Motherboard MSI 790X-G45 Chipset: AMD790x $100
Memory Crucial 4GB (2x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR#-1333Dual-Channel Desktop Memory Kit $112
Graphics XFX HD-583X-ZAFV Radeon HD 5830 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ Eyefinity $230
Hard Drive WD Caviar Blue 320GB 320GB, 7,200 RPM, 8MB Cache SATA 3.0 Gb/s $48
Case Sunbeam Transformer IC-TR-B Blue Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case $80
Power hec Zephyr MX-750 750W Continuous @ 40°C ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Certified Active PFC HYBRID-SLI Power Supply $100
Optical Lite-On iHas124 24x DVD+R, 8x DVD+RW, 48x CD ROM $23
OS Windows 7 $100

Comment, critique, advice. And I am not sure if I shoud/can/need to add CPU cooler with this case.

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CPU AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ940XCJ4DGI - OEM $126 Should be fine
Motherboard MSI 790X-G45 Chipset: AMD790x $100 Should be fine
Memory Crucial 4GB (2x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR#-1333Dual-Channel Desktop Memory Kit $112 Should be fine
Graphics XFX HD-583X-ZAFV Radeon HD 5830 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ Eyefinity $230 Should be fine
Hard Drive WD Caviar Blue 320GB 320GB, 7,200 RPM, 8MB Cache SATA 3.0 Gb/s $48 Should be fine
Case Sunbeam Transformer IC-TR-B Blue Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case $80 Should be fine
Power hec Zephyr MX-750 750W Continuous @ 40°C ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Certified Active PFC HYBRID-SLI Power Supply $100 Should be fine
Optical Lite-On iHas124 24x DVD+R, 8x DVD+RW, 48x CD ROM $23 Should be fine
OS Windows 7 $100 Should be fine

Overall, you look good. You shouldn't need any aftermarket cooling if you're not planning to overclock.
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CPU AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ940XCJ4DGI - OEM
Graphics XFX HD-583X-ZAFV Radeon HD 5830 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ Eyefinity


If you are planning to play the game on 720p, and if you already reached your budget, I recommend you upgrade the CPU to a 965 and downgrade the GPU to a 5770. It's basically the same price for both combos, but you will get better results on the benchmark on low with the combo I suggested.


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Overall, you look good. You shouldn't need any aftermarket cooling if you're not planning to overclock.

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Okay, so I have my next question...

Well, before I get into that, Where the #$%% is the Postman at? UPS has to wait until the end of day to bring me my parts, I can't take it, the excitement is killing me!

Anyways, now that I got that out of my system.

I plan on running my GTX 470 via HDMI to my 1080P LCD Samsung. I realize that for video, just run the HDMI cable to the TV. My question is with the sound.

My motherboard natively supports Dolby Digital, but does just putting my Video Card in the slow allow the audio signal to carry in the HDMI cable, or do I need to hook up a separate cable from my motherboard to the video card? The motherboard does have an optical out, but I'd rather just use one cable if possible.

Does anyone who runs everything (vid/sound) to their TV or Receiver through HDMI have any insight here?

Thanks so much,
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Well, I just read my motherboard manual and graphics card manual, and for those who want to know, it appears you must connect the S/PDIF cable from motherboard to your graphics card, if it supports carrying sound via HDMI.
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Well, I just read my motherboard manual and graphics card manual, and for those who want to know, it appears you must connect the S/PDIF cable from motherboard to your graphics card, if it supports carrying sound via HDMI.


I didn't do this with my HD5770. I ran the hdmi into my surround sound and ran the benchmark. Heard the raindrops and sound effects in all the speakers. Pretty sure either the Dolby or DTS light was on.

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scotchio wrote:
Muzner wrote:
So I just built a new computer, someone tell me why I am getting such low scores.

CPU: I7-930
CPU Cooler: Coolermaster V8
Memory: Corsair Dominator 6GB DDR3 1600
MB: Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R
HDD: WD Caviar Black 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache, SATA III
PSU: Cooler Master Silent Pro RS850
Graphics Card: GTX 460 Gigabyte 1GB
Case: Cooler Master HAF 932
OS: Windows 7 64bit Pro

I'm getting 2700 on high. I would expect more than that. Also, my temp for my cpu seems high, I'm running at 40 idle, and 70 on low. I'm shutting off Aero when I run the benchmark to see if that helps at all.


This is very close to the PC I am building. Although I chose the GTX470.

I should have it built tomorrow, if all goes well. I'll let you know the scores.


Finally built my new PC. It went quite well.

CPU: i7-930 (stock cooler)
GPU: GTX 470
MB: Asus 1366 P6T SE S/L
RAM: 6GB Corsair DDR3
PSU: Corsair TX Series, 750 Watt
HDD: WD Caviar Black 500GB
Case: Antec Three Hundred Midi Case
OS: Windows 7 (64 Home)

I managed 5166 on Low and 3400 on High.

I am also getting similar temps 35-40 idle up to max 70 when doing the benchmark.

Edited, Aug 4th 2010 4:21pm by scotchio

Edited, Aug 4th 2010 4:22pm by scotchio
#649 Aug 04 2010 at 3:08 PM Rating: Decent
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which one would you guys choose? I have a AMD build and a i7, need advices please!

Phenom II X6 1055T
4GB DDR3 Corsair Dominator
Asus M4N98TD EVO
GTX 460 1GB
850 Watts CoolerMaster Silent Pro Gaming PSU

or

i7-930
6GB DDR3 Corsair Dominator
Asus P6X58D-E
GTX 460 1GB
850 Watts CoolerMaster Silent Pro Gaming PSU

The i7 one has SATA III and more ram but its about $160-180 more

Edited, Aug 4th 2010 5:12pm by SuperJiJi1
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Tough call there, since both PCs will run the game well. The Intel CPU is definitely better, but it is up to you if it is $180 better. The Intel CPU will likely last you long enough that you might consider another 460 in SLI and not be bottlenecked by your CPU, but that might be the case with the 1055T as well.

If it is in your budget, and there isn't anything else you would rather spend the money saved on, I would go with the i7.

I am cheap and would build my PC around an X4 955, so take this advice with a grain of salt.

The extra RAM should not really be a factor since by the time you need more RAM the prices should have dropped enough to make it a trivial upgrade.

Edited, Aug 4th 2010 5:40pm by Enscheff
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the phenom 1055t will bottleneck GTX460 in SLI? because I'm planning on SLI it when i have enough money to
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