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#702 Aug 07 2010 at 10:09 AM Rating: Decent
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Intel® Core™ i7 930 Quad Core Processor (2.8GHz, 8MB Cache)
6GB Triple Channel 1333Mhz DDR3
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English

Want to know what video card set-up would be best.

Dual 1.8GB GDDR3 NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 260 - SLI® Enabled
Dual 1GB GDDR5 ATI Radeon™ HD 5770 CrossfireX™ Enabled
The Radeon is only 50$ less then the GTX

Building it from dell.com(Alienware Aurora)
Total price is about 1800$
I could do Intel® Core™ i7 960 Quad Core Processor (3.2GHz, 8MB Cache) for another 350$ but don't think i really need that.

Trying to stay under 2000$ but would go over abit if be best.

Edit: Thought I note that I'll be hooking it up to my Samsung LCD TV which only goes to 720p.
Edit 2: Also think that would be over 5k on low with the beanchmark?


A single 5870 might be better and save you 50 more bucks...
That should do really well on low res...


Edited, Aug 7th 2010 12:12pm by TwistedOwl

Edited, Aug 7th 2010 12:26pm by TwistedOwl
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Zalongamer wrote:
Intel® Core™ i7 930 Quad Core Processor (2.8GHz, 8MB Cache)
6GB Triple Channel 1333Mhz DDR3
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English

Want to know what video card set-up would be best.

Dual 1.8GB GDDR3 NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 260 - SLI® Enabled
Dual 1GB GDDR5 ATI Radeon™ HD 5770 CrossfireX™ Enabled
The Radeon is only 50$ less then the GTX

Edit 2: Also think that would be over 5k on low with the beanchmark?



I think either GPU combo is fine. The 5770 seems to do a bit better on the benchmark (not sure about in the actual game itself). But on the other hand, SLI generally performs better than Crossfire. Since SE is working with nVidia, it's kinda safe to assume they will try to optimize XIV with Geforces. I'm gonna just assume that the dual GTX 260s will perform a bit better with the end product, but it's also a bit more expensive. So up to you.

To hit 5k on low, I think you may need to OC your CPU a bit.
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#704 Aug 07 2010 at 1:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok. Here is the re-revised build.

CPU AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX $179
Motherboard MSI 790X-G45 Chipset: AMD790x $100
RAM Crucial 4GB (2x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR#-1333Dual-Channel Desktop Memory Kit $112
Graphics HIS IceQ 5 H577QT1GD Radeon HD 5770 Turbo 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ Eyefinity $180
Hard Drive WD Caviar Blue 320GB 320GB, 7,200 RPM, 8MB Cache SATA 3.0 Gb/s $48
Case Sunbeam Transformer IC-TR-B Blue Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case $80
Power hec Zephyr MX-750 750W Continuous @ 40°C ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Certified Active PFC HYBRID-SLI Power Supply $100
Optical Lite-On iHas124 24x DVD+R, 8x DVD+RW, 48x CD ROM $19

To be OC a little.

One more HD 5770 will be added in the near future. Cross fire GPU upgrade in the far future.

Comments, advice, critique and guide the noob please.

Thank you.
#705 Aug 07 2010 at 2:19 PM Rating: Decent
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By the way, that mother board has ports:

PS/2 2
COM 1
USB 1.1/2.0 6 x USB 2.0
Audio Ports 6 Ports

What do I need to add to connected to TV of HD Monitor?


Edited, Aug 7th 2010 4:19pm by AhiraSonofEnan
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GPU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125333
PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817121077

Oh btw I have i7 920. Looks okay? I don't care if that will void Dell warranty, I just wanna play FFXIV~~!

Edited, Aug 7th 2010 12:18am by uomaru


Both of those will work nicely, especially with the i7. I have been pushing modular power supplies to save space and for ease of cable management, so that would be my only possibly suggestion. This one here would probably handle your system really well and corsair is one of the best PSU manufactures around:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139012

What is modular power supply? Does it refer to the huge bundle of cables sticking out the back? Anyway thank you very much for your help!
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#707 Aug 07 2010 at 4:02 PM Rating: Good
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AhiraSonofEnan wrote:
By the way, that mother board has ports:

PS/2 2
COM 1
USB 1.1/2.0 6 x USB 2.0
Audio Ports 6 Ports

What do I need to add to connected to TV of HD Monitor?


That's handled through the video card; most video cards will have at least two DVI ports. If your video card has S-Video, you can connect it to a TV with S-Video. If it has HDMI, you can connect it to a TV or HD monitor via HDMI. Otherwise, you'll connect it to a monitor with DVI.
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uomaru wrote:
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uomaru wrote:
GPU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125333
PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817121077

Oh btw I have i7 920. Looks okay? I don't care if that will void Dell warranty, I just wanna play FFXIV~~!

Edited, Aug 7th 2010 12:18am by uomaru


Both of those will work nicely, especially with the i7. I have been pushing modular power supplies to save space and for ease of cable management, so that would be my only possibly suggestion. This one here would probably handle your system really well and corsair is one of the best PSU manufactures around:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139012

What is modular power supply? Does it refer to the huge bundle of cables sticking out the back? Anyway thank you very much for your help!


Yes, it does. A modular power supply might look something like this It allows you to connect cables from it to components, and allows you to leave unused cables out of the case entirely, rather than having a bunch of extra cables chilling there with nothing to do but take up room and impede air flow.
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Not sure about the first question. As for the second, your RAM will be running at 1600.


There's some boards out there that state "2000 O.C." under memory standard. If I use DDR3 2000, will it run at 2000mhz?
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Not sure about the first question. As for the second, your RAM will be running at 1600.


There's some boards out there that state "2000 O.C." under memory standard. If I use DDR3 2000, will it run at 2000mhz?


Only if you overclock it. Anything with O.C. next to it means that you will have to overclock to run it at that speed.
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Intel® Core™ i7 930 Quad Core Processor (2.8GHz, 8MB Cache)
6GB Triple Channel 1333Mhz DDR3
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English

Want to know what video card set-up would be best.

Dual 1.8GB GDDR3 NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 260 - SLI® Enabled
Dual 1GB GDDR5 ATI Radeon™ HD 5770 CrossfireX™ Enabled
The Radeon is only 50$ less then the GTX

Building it from dell.com(Alienware Aurora)
Total price is about 1800$
I could do Intel® Core™ i7 960 Quad Core Processor (3.2GHz, 8MB Cache) for another 350$ but don't think i really need that.

Trying to stay under 2000$ but would go over abit if be best.

Edit: Thought I note that I'll be hooking it up to my Samsung LCD TV which only goes to 720p.
Edit 2: Also think that would be over 5k on low with the beanchmark?
Edited, Aug 7th 2010 11:42am by Zalongamer

Edited, Aug 7th 2010 11:59am by Zalongamer


You are being ripped off if you buy from Alienware just to have that stupid alien logo on your PC case. You can build the following PC at AVADirect for $1439:

COMPUCASE HEC 6C28B Black Mid-Tower Case, No PSU, ATX
CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX TX Series Power Supply, 750W, 80 PLUS®, 24-pin ATX12V EPS12V, Multi-GPU Ready
ASUS P6T, LGA1366, Intel® X58, 6400 MT/s QPI, DDR3-2000 (O.C.) 12GB /6
INTEL Core™ i7-930 Quad-Core 2.8GHz, LGA1366, 4.8 GT/s QPI, 8MB L3 Cache, 45nm, 130W, EM64T EIST VT XD, Retail
CRUCIAL 6GB (3 x 2GB) Ballistix PC3-12800 DDR3 1600MHz CL8 (8-8-8-24) 1.65V SDRAM DIMM, Non-ECC
SAPPHIRE Radeon™ HD 5770 850MHz, 1GB GDDR5 4800MHz, PCIe x16 CrossFire, DVI /2, DP, HDMI, Retail
SAPPHIRE Radeon™ HD 5770 850MHz, 1GB GDDR5 4800MHz, PCIe x16 CrossFire, DVI /2, DP, HDMI, Retail
SEAGATE 500GB Barracuda® 7200.12, SATA 3 Gb/s, 7200 RPM, 16MB cache
SONY AD-7241S Black 24x DVD±R/RW Dual-Layer Burner w/ Lightscribe, SATA, OEM
MICROSOFT Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Edition, OEM
WARRANTY Silver Warranty Package (3 Year Limited Parts, 3 Year Labor Warranty)

You could even bump your GPUs up to dual 5850's to bring your total up to $1721 and STILL stay under the Alianware price of $1800.

You could then further upgrade your CPU to a i7 960 for an additional $313 total of $2034.

Point being that Alienware is the biggest ripoff in prebuilt PCs. I would seriously consider buying from somewhere else and get much more bang for your buck.
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Alienware is the Nike of computers; same product, twice the price.

Although Alienware probably isn't made by 4 year old Chinese kids.
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#713 Aug 07 2010 at 7:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok, looking for advice on a new laptop for FFXIV to replace my ancient (40GB HD, 2GHz single core, 1GB ram, no GPU, 5 years old from Dell) laptop . I would go desktop, but I have a mobility requirement. So I am looking at the Sager 9285 and buying it through xoticpc with the following set up.

- 17" WUXGA "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright Glossy Screen (1920x1200)
- 30 Day 0 Dead Pixel Guarantee
- Intel® Core™ i7-960 (3.2GHz) 8MB L3 Cache, 4.8 GT/sec QPI, LGA 1366
- IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU
- nVidia GeForce GTX 480M 2,048MB PCI-Express GDDR5 DX11
- 12,288MB DDR3 1066MHz Memory (3 SODIMMS)
- 4X Blue-Ray Read/8X DVDRW Super Multi Combo Drive
- (Primary HD) 160GB Intel X25-M Solid State Drive (SSD2 Serial-ATA II)
- (Secondary HD) 500GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)~
- Internal 7-in-1 Card Reader (MS/MS Pro/MS Duo/MS Pro Duo/SD/Mini-SD/MMC/RS)
- Internal Bluetooth + EDR
- Intel® Ultimate-N 6300 - 802.11A/B/G/N Wireless LAN Module
- ~Windows 7 Professional 64-Bit Installed (64&32-Bit CD Included) w/ Drivers & Utilities CD's
- 3 Year Parts/Labor Warranty 24/7 Tech Support w/ LCD Accidental Damage Protection

This is not a cheap rig ($4.8k US with warrenty/and a few extras that I need) and I would like the community's opinion on it. I'm looking at something that will still work for gaming for at least 2 years, hopefully 3 years and by then my mobility requirement will be gone, or greatly reduced making a desktop feasable. Anything I should update without a significant price increase or remove/downgrade for a significant price savings? Thanks.
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Trimmed the crap...

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- Intel® Core™ i7-960 (3.2GHz) 8MB L3 Cache, 4.8 GT/sec QPI, LGA 1366
- nVidia GeForce GTX 480M 2,048MB PCI-Express GDDR5 DX11
- 12,288MB DDR3 1066MHz Memory (3 SODIMMS)
- (Primary HD) 160GB Intel X25-M Solid State Drive (SSD2 Serial-ATA II)
- (Secondary HD) 500GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)~
- ~Windows 7 Professional 64-Bit Installed (64&32-Bit CD Included) w/ Drivers & Utilities CD's


Processor - Good
Video - good
RAM - 1333 RAM is better than 1066 if that's an option. Also, I'm not sure how much RAM you're getting; 4 GB is good. 6-8 GB is more than enough. More than 8 GB that is unnecessary.
HD - SSD are nice, especially in a laptop where it might get banged around a bit.
OS - Windows 7 Pro adds additional network features like the ability to join a domain, user and group permissions, and ownership access. If you want to save a little, and don't need these, you can get Home Premium, but Pro is fine, and is usually only like $40 more than Home Premium would be. Definitely wouldn't get less than Home Premium though.

Looks good overall. Only thing I want to point out is that a laptop cannot hope to stand up to a similarly specced desktop; whereas a desktop with these specs might get into 7000-8000 on the benchmark, this laptop will likely peak at half of that. If you do in fact need a laptop then you don't have a choice, but I just wanted to make you aware of this before making your purchase; it is currently impossible to get a laptop that will run XIV on max, no matter how much money you throw at it. This one should perform very well though.
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#715 Aug 07 2010 at 7:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for trimming down the list for me, wasn't sure what all to cut.

To upgrade the ram to 1333, I would have to upgrade the CPU to i7-980 which is another $500 or so. I guess I will take another look at my current ram then and might downgrade to the 6GB from the 12GB saving around $350 and just upgrade in the future if I need to. Not sure on the OS though, still debating on which to go with.

For comparing to a desktop, yeah I know I would be looking at a lot better performance in the desktop, and at a cheaper price, but I need to go laptop for mobility. If FFXIV just didn't require so much power I would get a good desktop and a decent laptop instead, but oh well.
Thanks for the advice.
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Thanks for trimming down the list for me, wasn't sure what all to cut.

To upgrade the ram to 1333, I would have to upgrade the CPU to i7-980 which is another $500 or so. I guess I will take another look at my current ram then and might downgrade to the 6GB from the 12GB saving around $350 and just upgrade in the future if I need to. Not sure on the OS though, still debating on which to go with.

For comparing to a desktop, yeah I know I would be looking at a lot better performance in the desktop, and at a cheaper price, but I need to go laptop for mobility. If FFXIV just didn't require so much power I would get a good desktop and a decent laptop instead, but oh well.
Thanks for the advice.


The 980 is a really good processor; I can't fault you if you can't fork out the extra money. The desktop version of the 980X is about a grand, but it's pretty much the best consumer processor one can buy.

If downgrading from 12 GB of RAM to 6 GB will save you $350, then save that 350. 12 GB of RAM in a computer today is like a two seater car with 10 cup holders; you'd really have to bust your *** to make use of it all. Unless you do a lot of programming or video encoding or something, 6 GB should be plenty. By the time technology gets to the point that you'll need more than 6 GB, you can always increase it by adding brand new RAM instead of having RAM that is unutilized or underutilized for years.
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#717 Aug 07 2010 at 11:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok, based on your advice, I'm thinking about this instead,

- Intel® Core™ i7-980X Extreme Edition (3.33-3.60GHz) 12MB Intel® Smart Cache - 6 Cores/12Threads
- nVidia GeForce GTX 480M 2,048MB PCI-Express GDDR5 DX11
- 6,144MB DDR3 1333MHz Memory (3 SODIMMS)
- (Primary HD) 160GB Intel X25-M Solid State Drive (SSD2 Serial-ATA II)
- (Secondary HD) 500GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)~
- Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit Installed (64&32-Bit CD Included) w/ Drivers & Utilities CD's

It's a difference of $5 more, but has the 980 vs 960 with 6GB 1333 vs 12GB 1066 ram. Hmm...I think this would be better option. Thanks for the advice so far Mikhalia.
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Ok, based on your advice, I'm thinking about this instead,

- Intel® Core™ i7-980X Extreme Edition (3.33-3.60GHz) 12MB Intel® Smart Cache - 6 Cores/12Threads
- nVidia GeForce GTX 480M 2,048MB PCI-Express GDDR5 DX11
- 6,144MB DDR3 1333MHz Memory (3 SODIMMS)
- (Primary HD) 160GB Intel X25-M Solid State Drive (SSD2 Serial-ATA II)
- (Secondary HD) 500GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)~
- Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit Installed (64&32-Bit CD Included) w/ Drivers & Utilities CD's

It's a difference of $5 more, but has the 980 vs 960 with 6GB 1333 vs 12GB 1066 ram. Hmm...I think this would be better option. Thanks for the advice so far Mikhalia.


Indeed it would. The same thing goes as far as laptops maximum potential not reaching that of a desktop, but as far as laptops go, I don't think it would be possible to outlcass this particular build. I can't imagine what this thing is costing, but money won't buy you a better laptop.
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Indeed it would. The same thing goes as far as laptops maximum potential not reaching that of a desktop, but as far as laptops go, I don't think it would be possible to outlcass this particular build. I can't imagine what this thing is costing, but money won't buy you a better laptop.


To answer about the cost, with some of the extras (spare AC adapter, warrenties, etc) around $4,840. I am hoping to get what discounts I can. I know xoticpc has a cash up front discount of 3% which drops it to around $4,690. Not cheap at all and my bank account hurts just looking at the price tag.
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Ouch. I know you've already said you need a laptop, but it kills me thinking that you could knock that in half it it were a desktop.

Still, as I said, as far as laptops go, you can't possibly improve on it.
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#721 Aug 08 2010 at 12:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Ouch. I know you've already said you need a laptop, but it kills me thinking that you could knock that in half it it were a desktop.


I know, I have looked at what I could do for only 2k in a desktop. It makes me want to cry. But hey, that's life, and it's not like I can take my money with me when I die.

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Still, as I said, as far as laptops go, you can't possibly improve on it.


I think you might be able to get 2 5870's (xfire) or 480's (sli) in the clevo x8100 model. But the cost makes me laugh, and I'm not even sure the source I saw it at was accurate or reliable. That and the x8100 can only support a i7-940 makes me wonder if it is even possible. Not to mention the power and heat issue that would have in a laptop.
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Ouch. I know you've already said you need a laptop, but it kills me thinking that you could knock that in half it it were a desktop.


I know, I have looked at what I could do for only 2k in a desktop. It makes me want to cry. But hey, that's life, and it's not like I can take my money with me when I die.

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Still, as I said, as far as laptops go, you can't possibly improve on it.


I think you might be able to get 2 5870's (xfire) or 480's (sli) in the clevo x8100 model. But the cost makes me laugh, and I'm not even sure the source I saw it at was accurate or reliable. That and the x8100 can only support a i7-940 makes me wonder if it is even possible. Not to mention the power and heat issue that would have in a laptop.


On the plus side, you could save on gas; the thing would heat your house :)
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#723 Aug 08 2010 at 12:29 AM Rating: Decent
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On the plus side, you could save on gas; the thing would heat your house :)


That it would...but would cost more money in electrictiy than 3 electric heaters running at max I would suspect :(
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On the plus side, you could save on gas; the thing would heat your house :)


That it would...but would cost more money in electrictiy than 3 electric heaters running at max I would suspect :(


One way to find out, eh?
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One way to find out, eh?


Yup, I will try to remember to post how much my house heats up with the monster I'm buying. And how much my electricity bill goes up from it. :/
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Is this a good choice?

CPU: AMD X6 1055T
GPU: Ati 5850
Ram: 4GB
System: Win 7 Home 64-bit,

or would you change something? Will this play the game well at the highest settings?


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Is this a good choice?

CPU: AMD X6 1055T
GPU: Ati 5850
Ram: 4GB
System: Win 7 Home 64-bit,

or would you change something? Will this play the game well at the highest settings?


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First question: Yes.
Second question: Sure, if you have spare money.
Third question: No.
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I to am looking to invest in a new computer. I don't feel confident enough to get the parts seperatly and put it altogether. I want something which will be able to run the game fine on lowest settings, because I don't have a massive budget, and if possible, a desktop which will be upgradeable, so I can add to it over time.

I live in the UK though, and noticed most the websites that you guys use are American, such as newegg. Does anyone by any chance know of a good website which will allow me to buy from the UK?
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Not sure about the first question. As for the second, your RAM will be running at 1600.


There's some boards out there that state "2000 O.C." under memory standard. If I use DDR3 2000, will it run at 2000mhz?



Only if you overclock it. Anything with O.C. next to it means that you will have to overclock to run it at that speed.


Overclock the board or the RAM itself? If I have to overclock the board for the RAM, is that difficult?
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Not sure about the first question. As for the second, your RAM will be running at 1600.


There's some boards out there that state "2000 O.C." under memory standard. If I use DDR3 2000, will it run at 2000mhz?



Only if you overclock it. Anything with O.C. next to it means that you will have to overclock to run it at that speed.


Overclock the board or the RAM itself? If I have to overclock the board for the RAM, is that difficult?


The board, and I've never had to do this so I will have to defer to someone with more expertise in that realm. I've always been more of a hardware and network guy than an overclock guy.

I can tell ya how to set your system up as a domain controller with my eyes closed though :)

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insanekangaroo wrote:
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Is this a good choice?

CPU: AMD X6 1055T
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or would you change something? Will this play the game well at the highest settings?


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First question: Yes.
Second question: Sure, if you have spare money.
Third question: No.


Ok, well if I spend a bit more money would you use it for:
1) CPU: Intel i7 860, or
2) GPU: Ati 5870

What do I need to run it well at the highest settings?
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insanekangaroo wrote:
Threx wrote:
insanekangaroo wrote:
insanekangaroo wrote:
Is this a good choice?

CPU: AMD X6 1055T
GPU: Ati 5850
Ram: 4GB
System: Win 7 Home 64-bit,

or would you change something? Will this play the game well at the highest settings?


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First question: Yes.
Second question: Sure, if you have spare money.
Third question: No.


Ok, well if I spend a bit more money would you use it for:
1) CPU: Intel i7 860, or
2) GPU: Ati 5870

What do I need to run it well at the highest settings?


I would probably upgrade the GPU if I had that choice. The X6 is a pretty powerful CPU.

Having said that, you are going to need a VERY powerful PC to run well at the highest settings, depending on your definition of "run it well". I am talking a $3000 PC most likely. The parts you listed will run the game well enough to satisfy all but the most demanding players.
#734 Aug 08 2010 at 5:29 PM Rating: Decent
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I have decided to build myself a new desktop PC. I have decided on the following:
AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Processor
Asus M4A785TD-V Motherboard
ATI Radeon 5770 1GB GPU

only briefly browsed for the remaining parts:
4GB Ram
500GB HDD
650+W PSU
Tower/Midi Case
22" Monitor
DVD Drive

The problem I have is that there is such a difference in price between all the 5770 cards available with many having identical specs. Is it a false economy to pick the cheapest card? Is there a stand out 5770 card that warrants the extra cost?

There is a possibility I might have some extra money to spend (~£100), I assume my best use would be to change the GPU to a 5850. This gives me the same dilemma
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good luck Davie - I'm ordering the parts for my first build tonight.

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Most cards vary as far as installed cooling, and preset OCing and just like Mobos some companies have a history of building more reliable products than others.

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I have decided to build myself a new desktop PC. I have decided on the following:
AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Processor
Asus M4A785TD-V Motherboard
ATI Radeon 5770 1GB GPU

only briefly browsed for the remaining parts:
4GB Ram
500GB HDD
650+W PSU
Tower/Midi Case
22" Monitor
DVD Drive

The problem I have is that there is such a difference in price between all the 5770 cards available with many having identical specs. Is it a false economy to pick the cheapest card? Is there a stand out 5770 card that warrants the extra cost?

There is a possibility I might have some extra money to spend (~£100), I assume my best use would be to change the GPU to a 5850. This gives me the same dilemma


Between the 5770s, you'd have to look at the specs and the warranty. I'm a fan of XFX for their double lifetime warranty. If you plan to overclock, it is important to know if the warranty is voided by doing so; some cards are and some are not.

If you have an extra £100, go for the GTX 460 or better yet the Radeon 5850.

Also, get a DVD-RW drive instead of a DVD-ROM. The difference in price is less than $5.
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Not sure about the first question. As for the second, your RAM will be running at 1600.


There's some boards out there that state "2000 O.C." under memory standard. If I use DDR3 2000, will it run at 2000mhz?



Only if you overclock it. Anything with O.C. next to it means that you will have to overclock to run it at that speed.


Overclock the board or the RAM itself? If I have to overclock the board for the RAM, is that difficult?


The board, and I've never had to do this so I will have to defer to someone with more expertise in that realm. I've always been more of a hardware and network guy than an overclock guy.

I can tell ya how to set your system up as a domain controller with my eyes closed though :)

Edited, Aug 8th 2010 2:43pm by Mikhalia


I had to do it on mine, first time doing it, and I just went into the BIOS, manually set my RAM specs, then selected the option for speed, selected 1600, and was done. No issues yet. Everything shows up right and can pass stress tests with no issues.
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Question about RAM+CPU:

A few weeks ago I bought a Core 2 Duo 2.93GHz(E7500) CPU with FSB 1066MHz, and later this afternoon, I will be buying a Motherboard for the CPU while at the same time grabbing 2x1Gig DIMMS DDR3 just to start me off while I get everything up and running. So, my question is, Since my CPU is FSB 1066MHz, Do the DIMMS need to be 1066MHz or can I get 1333MHz DIMMS? My main reason for asking is, once I get everything running, I plan to get another 2x2Gig DIMMS for 6Gigs of RAM.

The board supports up to 1333MHz. Also, either later in the year(maybe sooner) or sometime January, I plan to Upgrade my CPU to a Core 2 Quad 3GHz/1333MHz.
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Question about RAM+CPU:

A few weeks ago I bought a Core 2 Duo 2.93GHz(E7500) CPU with FSB 1066MHz, and later this afternoon, I will be buying a Motherboard for the CPU while at the same time grabbing 2x1Gig DIMMS DDR3 just to start me off while I get everything up and running. So, my question is, Since my CPU is FSB 1066MHz, Do the DIMMS need to be 1066MHz or can I get 1333MHz DIMMS? My main reason for asking is, once I get everything running, I plan to get another 2x2Gig DIMMS for 6Gigs of RAM.

The board supports up to 1333MHz. Also, either later in the year(maybe sooner) or sometime January, I plan to Upgrade my CPU to a Core 2 Quad 3GHz/1333MHz.


The CPU FSB speed does not mandate your RAM needing to be a certain speed. You can get 1333 RAM.
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Thank You Mik! I had to be sure =)

Last time I didn't do my research as well as I thought I did, I landed myself a Motherboard that didn't work with my CPU. It Supported Core 2 Duo, but only up to E6700, where as I bought a E7500.
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#742 Aug 09 2010 at 1:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks Mikhalia, I don't plan on overclocking and XFS double lifetime warranty does not appear to be available in the UK, so I think I will save a few pound on getting a cheaper 5770 from a decent retailer with good returns policy.

The DVD-RW drive and HDD will be reused from my existing setup.
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ive got the money ready but i really cant decide between the following two setups. Please help i really want to buy one :P

The specs are as follows (Note the i7 870 is slightly more expensive)

CPU: NEW! AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition
CPU Cooler: Coolermaster Hyper TX3
Operating System: Microsoft® Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Motherboard: Asus M4A89GTD Pro USB3
Memory: 4.0GB Corsair DDR3 1600mhz DHX CL9 (2x 2GB)
Hard Drives: 1TB S-ATAII 3.0Gb/s
Optical Drive: 22x DVD±RW DL S-ATA
Graphics card: ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB
Sound card: Onboard 7.1 Audio
Keyboard and mouse: Keyboard, mouse and speakers
Monitors: 24" Widescreen LCD
Case: Antec Three Hundred
PSU: 700W OCZ
OR:
CPU: NEW! Intel Core i7 870
CPU Cooler: Coolermaster Hyper TX3
Operating System: Microsoft® Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Motherboard: Asus P7P55-M
Memory: 4.0GB Corsair DDR3 1600mhz DHX CL9 (2x 2GB)
Hard Drives: 1TB S-ATAII 3.0Gb/s
Optical Drive: 22x DVD±RW DL S-ATA
Graphics card: ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB
Sound card: Onboard 7.1 Audio
Keyboard and mouse: Keyboard, mouse and speakers
Keyboard and mouse: Logitech Pro 2800 Cordless Keyboard and MX620 Mouse
Monitors: 24" Widescreen LCD
Case: Antec Three Hundred
PSU: 700W OCZ
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Have any of you guys been to http://www.digitalstormonline.com/ at all? If so are they any good? On the company page says they been in business since 2002, granted ppl I know I ask them and they never heard of them before.
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Okay, I have another couple questions. My build has been running well for a couple weeks, playing SC2, FFXI, and WoW with no trouble, and no excess heat. For reference, my main components are a Phenom II x4 955 BE, Sapphire Radeon 5770, 1333 RipJaws 2x2GB RAM and an ASRock 870 Extreme3 motherboard. I did a small overclock of the CPU by increasing the multiplier by 1. So far seems perfectly stable and no major increase in heat.

How much performance gain can I really expect to achieve by doing a more thorough overclock of the CPU, RAM, bus and GPU? The simple increase of 200mHz per core did add a few hundred points to my benchmark, but being that I have not done a real overclock before, I don't know if I want to push it too much, especially if I can't expect a significant performance gain. I started running the ATI Overdrive auto-tune last night, but after doing a little more research, most people seemed to think it did not produce a stable overclock, so I reset to default.

Any insight would be appreciated. One more thing, I am using stock cooling on everything at the moment. My case has room for 2 more 120mm fans on the side, and if the performance gains are worthwhile, I would not be opposed to another ~$60 in fans and cpu cooler to do this right.
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I had to do it on mine, first time doing it, and I just went into the BIOS, manually set my RAM specs, then selected the option for speed, selected 1600, and was done. No issues yet. Everything shows up right and can pass stress tests with no issues.


May I ask what board your using?

It's odd to me that, there are plenty of RAM packages clocked at 2000Mhz, yet I can't find a board that has 2000Mhz under the memory standard without O.C. next to it.

Btw, Thanks for the answers.
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I had to do it on mine, first time doing it, and I just went into the BIOS, manually set my RAM specs, then selected the option for speed, selected 1600, and was done. No issues yet. Everything shows up right and can pass stress tests with no issues.


May I ask what board your using?

It's odd to me that, there are plenty of RAM packages clocked at 2000Mhz, yet I can't find a board that has 2000Mhz under the memory standard without O.C. next to it.

Btw, Thanks for the answers.


Sure. I am using the ASUS M4N98TD EVO.

Was one of the only boards in my price range that supported what I wanted & was SLI ready at 2 X 16. So far so good, I've only slightly overclocked my CPU to 3.6 (AMD 965 BE) but once I get an aftermarket cooler and fix the case fan that was DOA I plan to try and get it stable at 4.0

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#748 Aug 09 2010 at 12:01 PM Rating: Good
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ive got the money ready but i really cant decide between the following two setups. Please help i really want to buy one :P


Either one looks fine to me.
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Hey guys. Sorry if I seem like a huge noob here, but I figure asking can't hurt.

Well, this is kinda what I'm running with:

Operating System: Windows7 64, english
CPU: AMD Turion II Ultra Dual-core mobile 2.40 GHz
Memory: 4.00 GB
Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT

As for the motherboard, well... I'm still trying to figure this out. It's an HP laptop in the d7 series. I'm pretty sure the graphics card blows, but I think I might be able to run it if I upgrade. I'm even willing to go whole hog and drop 200 bucks for the GTX 460, if you guys think that'll fix it. My benchmark score was pretty abysmal- just about 130. I think I have the problem pinned, but I'm not that great of a computer person, so I'm looking to get some advice before I shell out any dough. Thanks for your help!

Edited, Aug 9th 2010 9:52pm by Fisheystix
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Fisheystix wrote:
Hey guys. Sorry if I seem like a huge noob here, but I figure asking can't hurt.

Well, this is kinda what I'm running with:

Operating System: Windows7 64, english
CPU: AMD Turion II Ultra Dual-core mobile 2.40 GHz
Memory: 4.00 GB
Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT

As for the motherboard, well... I'm still trying to figure this out. It's an HP laptop in the d7 series. I'm pretty sure the graphics card blows, but I think I might be able to run it if I upgrade. I'm even willing to go whole hog and drop 200 bucks for the GTX 460, if you guys think that'll fix it. My benchmark score was pretty abysmal- just about 130. I think I have the problem pinned, but I'm not that great of a computer person, so I'm looking to get some advice before I shell out any dough. Thanks for your help!

Edited, Aug 9th 2010 9:52pm by Fisheystix


The $200 GTX 460 is a desktop graphics card upgrade. The fact that you have a laptop means you're pretty much stuck with whatever is in there. Upgrading a laptop GPU is prohibitively difficult if you don't know what to get and where to get it from; it's not like a desktop where one card fits all and you can just open the case and pop it in. Honestly, I build systems regularly and I wouldn't trust myself replacing a GPU in a laptop.

As far as laptops, you're pretty much stuck with what you've got. You're looking at buying a brand new system here.
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