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#802 Aug 12 2010 at 1:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Just got my comp all together and installed windows today. Ran the benchmark with only 2 gigs of RAM installed (wouldn't post with 4 for some reason. troubleshooting later.) and scored a 4797 on low.
In case you were wondering, here are my specs:
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar 500 GB 44.95 w/ shipping (Tiger Direct)
Motherboard/Processor: ASUS P7P55 LX + Intel Core i7-870 374.99 free shipping (Newegg)
RAM: Corsair XMS3 4 GB Dual Channel DDR3 84.99 free shipping (Tiger Direct)
Case: Azza Solano 1000 ATX full tower 64.99 free shipping (Newegg)
Power Supply: Cooler Master GX Series RS750-ACAAE3 85.98 w/shipping (Newegg)
Monitor: Hanns G HW=191APB Black 19" Widescreen 118.98 w/shipping (Newegg)
GPU: GeForce GTX470 (Fermi) 1280 MB 320-bit GDDR5 239.99 free shipping (really special deal. I'd go with the 465 if you're pressed for cash) (Newegg)

After all the mail in rebates (case, RAM, and GPU) the total is 1014.87
#803 Aug 12 2010 at 2:21 PM Rating: Decent
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wgm121 wrote:
Great thread, everyone seems very helpful, so ill dive in...

Firstly (for anyone thinking about the laptop route) i just got a MSI gx640 and it does about 2,800 in 720p on benchmark, which is so so (great for laptop)

I want to play with my desktop when i get home tho(i travel a sh*t ton)
Need some suggestions, im not trying to build a system from scratch, but want to see the game shine.
PSU: 600W
Mobo: newish gigabyte crossfire compatable socket 775...
CPU: C2D E8600 3.33ghz...dont want to upgrade, thinking bout aftermarket cooler and OCing to like 4.2ghz
GPU: 8800gts, but want to buy 2 4870s since they are getting down to $90ish each
RAM: 2gigs ddr2 800, not sure where to go...guessing 4gb ddr2 1066 or w/e

Ive seen rigs like this get up to 19k in 3dmark06 with the E8600 OC

And i wouldnt need to buy new motherboard and cpu

all together it would prob cost me 350 bucks to make these upgrades...not sure about what kinda cpu cooler tho

what do y'all think


I think just the GPU upgrade and CPU OC will be enough to play the game comfortably. You can likely OC the CPU a good bit without adding a new cooler.

I don't think there is any need to upgrade the RAM. I personally saw no difference when running the benchmark with 2GB or 3GB of DDR2 RAM.
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wgm121 wrote:

PSU: 600W
Mobo: newish gigabyte crossfire compatable socket 775...
CPU: C2D E8600 3.33ghz...dont want to upgrade, thinking bout aftermarket cooler and OCing to like 4.2ghz
GPU: 8800gts, but want to buy 2 4870s since they are getting down to $90ish each
RAM: 2gigs ddr2 800, not sure where to go...guessing 4gb ddr2 1066 or w/e

Ive seen rigs like this get up to 19k in 3dmark06 with the E8600 OC

And i wouldnt need to buy new motherboard and cpu

all together it would prob cost me 350 bucks to make these upgrades...not sure about what kinda cpu cooler tho

what do y'all think


Since you don't want to upgrade the mobo/CPU then I guess OCing is your only option. Try reading the reviews on newegg to see which coolers are good. If you don't mind dropping 70-80 bucks, you can get a liquid cooling kit (Corsair H50 or Coolit ECO) which works wonders.

I'm not too sure how well 2x 4870s would work. According to Passmark, a single 4870 outperforms two of them. Kinda weird, so I can't comment on that. Try reading some reviews on it. If you can't find any and aren't confident, then go with a 5770.

I'd say definitely upgrade the RAM if you can afford it. Another 2Gb.

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#805 Aug 12 2010 at 2:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Very nice build there. Mine is very similar (965 & 470). I assume you went with an ASUS board? I also disabled the 'Cool N Quiet' features since OC guides said to do so.

If Asus board, which one did you get? I got the M4N98TD EVO.

OC CPU to 3.6 & GPU to 800/1600 and scores of 4300 / 4900


I wanted to go with the M4N98TD, I really, really wanted to. The problem is that it, nor any of the other AM3 boards that support SLI, isn't sold where I live. So I went with the Gigabyte 880GA-UD3H. :(

You got a whole thousand more points than I did with a GTX 470. >.<

According to AOD and Afterburner, my bottleneck is in the GPU, both for low and high on the benchmark. I can't slap on another 460 for SLI like I originally planned because of the lack of motherboards here. However, if I find myself needing more GPU power in the future, I'll try applying the SLI hack and hopefully it'll work so I can throw in a second GTX 460 like I had originally planned. That's a job for another day, though.

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#806 Aug 12 2010 at 2:40 PM Rating: Decent
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GPU: GeForce GTX470 (Fermi) 1280 MB 320-bit GDDR5 239.99 free shipping (really special deal. I'd go with the 460 if you're pressed for cash) (Newegg)

After all the mail in rebates (case, RAM, and GPU) the total is 1014.87


Fixed. :)

And that is a very good deal for that system. Grats!
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#807 Aug 12 2010 at 3:57 PM Rating: Decent
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I wanted to go with the M4N98TD, I really, really wanted to. The problem is that it, nor any of the other AM3 boards that support SLI, isn't sold where I live. So I went with the Gigabyte 880GA-UD3H. :(

You got a whole thousand more points than I did with a GTX 470. >.<

According to AOD and Afterburner, my bottleneck is in the GPU, both for low and high on the benchmark. I can't slap on another 460 for SLI like I originally planned because of the lack of motherboards here. However, if I find myself needing more GPU power in the future, I'll try applying the SLI hack and hopefully it'll work so I can throw in a second GTX 460 like I had originally planned. That's a job for another day, though.



Where do you live at? There was no online retailer who would ship it to you? That's a bummer, and it sucks that there are so few affordable boards that support AM3 and SLI, **** so few regardless of price. I would suspect they would have been plentiful!

I plan on seeing how the game runs with one 470, and if there's value and FFXIV supports scaling to a good degre, I'll get another 470 once they drop a little in price.

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#808 Aug 12 2010 at 4:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for the help, yeah im not sure i understand why 1 4870 is better than 2....what i do know from research is that the more i OC the cpu the better performance i will get outta 2 (by a much larger margin than usual since the CPU is the bottleneck).

Oh and by the way guys there are beta keys on fileplanet, i got one for subscribing $7 more will be out next two days!!

Edited, Aug 12th 2010 6:14pm by wgm121
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Where do you live at? There was no online retailer who would ship it to you? That's a bummer, and it sucks that there are so few affordable boards that support AM3 and SLI, **** so few regardless of price. I would suspect they would have been plentiful!

I plan on seeing how the game runs with one 470, and if there's value and FFXIV supports scaling to a good degre, I'll get another 470 once they drop a little in price.


Thailand. =/

I don't know of any reliable sites that ship computer hardware here. Newegg doesn't, Amazon doesn't, etc.

Edit: Besides, I don't really feel comfortable ordering from another country. It will be a huge hassle if the item is DOA or if I have to fix/replace it later.

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#810 Aug 12 2010 at 5:55 PM Rating: Decent
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So I'm biting the bullet and gonna build a new comp since my 2yr old comp doesn't seem to be up to par -.-;

What I'm looking at:

COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP Black SECC/ ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Item #:N82E16811119137

EVGA 141-BL-E757-TR LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX X58 SLI LE Intel Motherboard
Item #:N82E16813188049

Antec TruePower New TP-650 650W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V
Item #:N82E16817371021

Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield 2.8GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop
Processor BX80601930
Item #:N82E16819115225

Crucial Ballistix Tracer 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
Item #:N82E16820148250


Not Totally sure on what GPU I'm getting yet, looking at:
EVGA 01G-P3-1371-TR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5
Item #: N82E16814130565

Thoughts, suggestions? I don't think I'm missing anything
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So I'm biting the bullet and gonna build a new comp since my 2yr old comp doesn't seem to be up to par -.-;

What I'm looking at:

COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP Black SECC/ ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Item #:N82E16811119137

EVGA 141-BL-E757-TR LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX X58 SLI LE Intel Motherboard
Item #:N82E16813188049

Antec TruePower New TP-650 650W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V
Item #:N82E16817371021

Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield 2.8GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop
Processor BX80601930
Item #:N82E16819115225

Crucial Ballistix Tracer 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
Item #:N82E16820148250


Not Totally sure on what GPU I'm getting yet, looking at:
EVGA 01G-P3-1371-TR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5
Item #: N82E16814130565

Thoughts, suggestions? I don't think I'm missing anything


Looks like a very stout setup, and you have SLI to add another 460 down the road once we see how well FFXIV responds to scaling. Don't expect high scores with the 460 (2500-3500) in terms of numbers, but I'm sure the quality will be pretty good.
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#812 Aug 12 2010 at 8:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Im really new to building computers and would like to know what you guys think of this setup.

CPU - Intel i7 930
GPU - GeForce GTX 460
Mobo - Gigabyte GA X58A
Memory - Crucial 4 Gb 240 pin DDR2 FB-DIMM DDR2 800
Hard Drive – WD Caviar Black 1 TB 7200 RPM SATA
Case – Antec three hundred steel gaming case
Power – Corsair CMPSU-650TX 650WATX12V, EPS12V , 80-Plus Certified

Is there anything else that i am missing and/or do you think this will be ok to run FFXIV, i really want it to run well, doesnt have to be the best, but i dont want to drop around 1000 dollars and not be able to run the game well and look good. Also i would like to be able to hook this up to my 55 inch sony bravia tv, will i be able to do this with this setup? Thank you guys for all the help. Loving this community, been reading on here for weeks about all things FFXIV, i am so excited about this game!
#813 Aug 12 2010 at 8:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Okay. I've got a best buy HP basically. I am unable to run the benchmark period, and after some research I think I need a new graphic card anyway. My current under Display Adapters (I'm a computer noob) it's Intel(R) G33/G31 Express Chipset FAmily. I was looking at PowerColor AX5770 1GBD5-H Radeon HD 5770 1GB from this post. Would this work? I'm not even sure if it would fit in my computer or not.

Also, how would I check my power supply to make sure that could also run the video card?

And finally, how exactly do you install a video card? Is there instructions when you buy it maybe? Is it very challenging?

I'm very sorry for the noob questions, thanks a ton all. I'm very excited for IV. :)
#814 Aug 12 2010 at 8:37 PM Rating: Decent
thanks for this great thread.
Is there any means of getting a pc system for any-where near the cost of a ps3? I have several business lap tops but they are not designed for gaming.

It would be a single purpose device.
Could you; for example; buy a used desktop box and add a current graphic card for a total less than $300?
#815 Aug 13 2010 at 12:06 AM Rating: Decent
May as well see what you guys think of the computer Im going to have built. Im going through cyberpower.com for this ******.

CPU - AMD Phenom x6 1055T
Motherboard - MSI 870A-G54
RAM - 4GB (2x2) DDR3 Corsair Dominators
Video Card - ATI Radeon HD 5850
Hard Drive - 640GB SATA-III 6.0GB/s
Audio - HighDef Onboard 7.1 Audio
Power - 800w XtremeGear Gaming

Should work well I think. Going to cost around $1150 with all the little trimmings Im tossing on as well.
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Im really new to building computers and would like to know what you guys think of this setup.

CPU - Intel i7 930
GPU - GeForce GTX 460
Memory - Crucial 4 Gb 240 pin DDR2 FB-DIMM DDR2 800
Power – Corsair CMPSU-650TX 650WATX12V, EPS12V , 80-Plus Certified

Is there anything else that i am missing and/or do you think this will be ok to run FFXIV, i really want it to run well, doesnt have to be the best, but i dont want to drop around 1000 dollars and not be able to run the game well and look good. Also i would like to be able to hook this up to my 55 inch sony bravia tv, will i be able to do this with this setup? Thank you guys for all the help. Loving this community, been reading on here for weeks about all things FFXIV, i am so excited about this game!


That set up is fine. You should be able to hook it up to your TV. If you're going to overclock anything, I'd recommend a 700W+ power supply, otherwise the one you have is fine.
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Okay. I've got a best buy HP basically. I am unable to run the benchmark period, and after some research I think I need a new graphic card anyway. My current under Display Adapters (I'm a computer noob) it's Intel(R) G33/G31 Express Chipset FAmily. I was looking at PowerColor AX5770 1GBD5-H Radeon HD 5770 1GB from this post. Would this work? I'm not even sure if it would fit in my computer or not.

Also, how would I check my power supply to make sure that could also run the video card?

And finally, how exactly do you install a video card? Is there instructions when you buy it maybe? Is it very challenging?

I'm very sorry for the noob questions, thanks a ton all. I'm very excited for IV. :)



No one will be able to give you any suggestions if you don't tell us what specs your computer has. :)

Things we need to know first:

1. Your CPU (processor)
2. Your motherboard
3. Your RAM ("memory")
4. Your power supply (how many watts)
5. How many cats you have in your room.



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#818 Aug 13 2010 at 2:55 AM Rating: Decent
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thanks for this great thread.
Is there any means of getting a pc system for any-where near the cost of a ps3? I have several business lap tops but they are not designed for gaming.

It would be a single purpose device.
Could you; for example; buy a used desktop box and add a current graphic card for a total less than $300?


Unfortunately, a "single purpose device" for running FFXIV will have similar specs to an all purpose device. -_-

A used desktop that needs a video card upgrade will probably also need a CPU upgrade anyway.

If you can find a system under $300 total that can run the game decently on low settings, consider yourself extremely lucky. Try searching craigslist or something for used computers.
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#819 Aug 13 2010 at 2:57 AM Rating: Decent
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CPU - AMD Phenom x6 1055T
Motherboard - MSI 870A-G54
RAM - 4GB (2x2) DDR3 Corsair Dominators
Video Card - ATI Radeon HD 5850
Hard Drive - 640GB SATA-III 6.0GB/s
Audio - HighDef Onboard 7.1 Audio
Power - 800w XtremeGear Gaming



Looks good. :)
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#820 Aug 13 2010 at 3:00 AM Rating: Good
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On a side note, I disabled Cool&Quiet when I was testing the overclocking. Then when I was done I enabled Cool&Quiet back on but it wouldn't work anymore. I think I broke it. ; ;


Whoops >.>
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Now that the NDA has been lifted, can anyone say for certain if FFXIV utilizes six CPU cores? It would be very much appreciated.

I'm leaning towards one of the AMD hexacores because the FFXIV main site recommends six cores and the Intel's hexacores are $$$.

This is copied and pasted from www.tomshardware.com . I thought it was interesting. Particularly where the AMD hexacores are concerned.


AMD Phenom II 955: A very solid performer. Can be had for $165, or less with good combo deals. Good overclocker, but can be a bit warm as well. Needs its voltage. Excels in gaming at stock and overclocked, performs well in other areas too. Does not perform at the level of the Core i5 at stock, gains some ground back at higher clocks, but still doesn't consistently win, but it's unit and system cost make it very attractive. Recommended for all medium-end systems. For more performance in this class, look to a Core i5 750 for a little extra dough.


Intel Core i5 750: An excellent performer. Can be had for $200. Excellent overclocker, tends to need alot of voltage. Only real drawback is platform limitations, and to a lesser extent, platform cost. CPU cost can be misleading; the price for a Core i5 systemis generally higher than that of a Core 2 or Phenom II system. Quad-threaded and under performance is excellent, but loses badly to the Phenom II X6 and Core i7s once more threads are in play, and concerns have been raised about the longevity of the LGA-1156 platform relative to LGA-1366 and AM3 platforms, possibly valid. Limited to 8X-8X SLi and Crossfire, not much of an issue outside of top-end GPU configurations. If these are issues, get an AM3 or LGA-1366. Under these conditions, recommended for mid-high-end PCs. Note: requires memory with voltage of 1.65V or lower. If you plan to OC heavily, make sure your motherboard doesn't use a Foxconn socket.


AMD Phenom II 1055T: For $200 the cheapest hexa-core processor out now performs admirably for it's price tag. Comepetes with the more expensive i7 860/920 in more multithreaded applications (and shellacks the i5 750 in these cases), but loses quite badly once in less mutithreaded situations. Not a gaming CPU, but a fantastic buy for more productivity-oriented machines. OCing seems good, but I'll update this soon when more results come in. Very strongly recommended for middle-end non-gaming machines.



Intel Core i7 860/920: Here is the big performance - the fastest CPU architecture on the planet. The 920 Can be had for $280, and with a much noticeably more expensive platform cost than the LGA-1156 and AM3 platforms. This architecture has an outrageous performance lead when clock-for-clock, and OCs very high under the right cooling. Be willing to pay a price premium for a D0 stepping processor, which are the best overclockers. The i7 series provides exceptional SLi and Crossfire performance in gaming, and own all non-gaming benchmarks. Recommended for all high-end productivity or top-end, multi-card gaming systems. The 860 has some mild SLi/Crossfire scaling issues, as it only supports an 8x8 interface, but on top-end current-gen cards, this is a <10% performance loss, and usually <5%. If you plan on Crossfiring HD5XX0s, or SLiing GTX 480s, maybe go with the LGA-1366 platform. If you plan to OC an 860 heavily, don't buy a motherboard with a Foxconn socket.

AMD Phenom II 1090T: A monster CPU. A blunt-force counter to Intel's superior architecture, this is a very large piece of silicon. For $20-$30 more than the cheaper i7s, the 1090T tends to outperform them in multithreaded apps, but usually loses otherwise. Should overclock well, but we'll see. Recommended for all high-end machines, especially those who want to 'future-proof,' but pure gamers would likely be better served with an i5 or i7.





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So I'm biting the bullet and gonna build a new comp since my 2yr old comp doesn't seem to be up to par -.-;

What I'm looking at:

COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP Black SECC/ ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Item #:N82E16811119137

EVGA 141-BL-E757-TR LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX X58 SLI LE Intel Motherboard
Item #:N82E16813188049

Antec TruePower New TP-650 650W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V
Item #:N82E16817371021

Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield 2.8GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop
Processor BX80601930
Item #:N82E16819115225

Crucial Ballistix Tracer 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
Item #:N82E16820148250


Not Totally sure on what GPU I'm getting yet, looking at:
EVGA 01G-P3-1371-TR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5
Item #: N82E16814130565

Thoughts, suggestions? I don't think I'm missing anything


Just a heads up...

If you plan on going with SLI in the future, the 650W PSU might be underpowered. A lot of people have been suggesting 750W PSUs for SLI, though I have no personal experience.
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Just a heads up...

If you plan on going with SLI in the future, the 650W PSU might be underpowered. A lot of people have been suggesting 750W PSUs for SLI, though I have no personal experience.


I would go even further to say that 750W PSU for SLI GTX 460s may not even be enough. An average PC system at full load without the video card is around 500W. A full load GTX 460 draws around 150-170W. So adding two GTX 460s to an average system at full load will be drawing a total of 800W+.

Even though you very likely won't be using your entire PC at full load, I still recommend an 850W PSU for SLI 460s to be on the safe side because PSUs do deteriorate over time.
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Ok guys, I'm gonna give this a try.
I'm buying a totally new PC. Not going to upgrade or use anything from my current PC. My budget is around $2000 my experience building a PC is zero. I know nothing about it, I've only had 2 PCs and 2 laptops before this, all store bought. I'd like some direction on what I'd need to get a good score on the benchmark and still be able to use this PC for everyday use. Cause, well my wife will still be using this PC everyday while I'm at work for non-game stuff. Any and all help is appreciated. Please & thank you!
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#825 Aug 13 2010 at 1:19 PM Rating: Decent
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well the parts are ordered and now i'm just waiting for the last few to arrive. gonna plan on building this thing next week, and see if it actually works. here's what i ended up with:

processor - AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX
power supply - XFX P1-650X-CAG9 650W ATX12V 2.2 / ESP12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power
motherboard - ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 AM3 AMD 890GX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
video card - XFX HD-587X-ZNFV Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress XT) 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
hard drive - Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
tower - COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP Black SECC/ ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
memory - G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBNQ
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#826 Aug 13 2010 at 1:44 PM Rating: Decent
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No one will be able to give you any suggestions if you don't tell us what specs your computer has. :)

Things we need to know first:

1. Your CPU (processor)
2. Your motherboard
3. Your RAM ("memory")
4. Your power supply (how many watts)
5. How many cats you have in your room.


I'm very sorry. ^^; Thank you for responding. :)

Processors are 2 Intel(R) Pentium (R) Dual CPU E2200 @ 2.20GHz, which according to this thread isn't that great, but over the required 2.0.

I don't have too much time, and it seems like figuring out your motherboard is a little complicated. I will try and get that later tonight.

I have 4.0 GB RAM

I don't know my power supply and don't really trust myself opening my computer for that, but apparently HP never goes over 400 watts power supply and usually uses a 200-250 watt according to some research. I will probably just buy a better one to be safe if it's not too expensive.

And 1 cat lol.

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Ok guys, I'm gonna give this a try.
I'm buying a totally new PC. Not going to upgrade or use anything from my current PC. My budget is around $2000 my experience building a PC is zero. I know nothing about it, I've only had 2 PCs and 2 laptops before this, all store bought. I'd like some direction on what I'd need to get a good score on the benchmark and still be able to use this PC for everyday use. Cause, well my wife will still be using this PC everyday while I'm at work for non-game stuff. Any and all help is appreciated. Please & thank you!


Is a monitor also included in that $2000 budget? Either way, you can build a monster PC with that.

With ANY PC that is able to get a good score on the benchmark, it will be way more than enough for everyday use, too. So you don't have to worry about that.

Some things to look into:

Any Intel i7 processor (or AMD Phenom II 1090T for futureproof)
Two Geforce GTX 480s or two Radeon 5870s.
4Gb of RAM is enough, 6 is more than enough. If you're a graphics artist doing a lot of rendering, go with 8Gb.
1000W+ power supply if you're using two video cards listed above.
3D-ready monitor to play FFXIV in 3D (only available with Geforce video cards)


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well the parts are ordered and now i'm just waiting for the last few to arrive. gonna plan on building this thing next week, and see if it actually works. here's what i ended up with:

processor - AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX
power supply - XFX P1-650X-CAG9 650W ATX12V 2.2 / ESP12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power
video card - XFX HD-587X-ZNFV Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress XT) 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready


I hope you're not gonna overclock that system, as 650W is pretty low.
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so..is it the general consesus that redeon cards are performing better the nvidia?
seems all the high end comps with nvidia score lower on the benchmark than similar ones with
radeon cards.
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I'm very sorry. ^^; Thank you for responding. :)

Processors are 2 Intel(R) Pentium (R) Dual CPU E2200 @ 2.20GHz, which according to this thread isn't that great, but over the required 2.2.

I don't have too much time, and it seems like figuring out your motherboard is a little complicated. I will try and get that later tonight.

I have 4.0 GB RAM

I don't know my power supply and don't really trust myself opening my computer for that, but apparently HP never goes over 400 watts power supply and usually uses a 200-250 watt according to some research. I will probably just buy a better one to be safe if it's not too expensive.


Definitely upgrade the CPU(s). Your E2200 is a socket 775, so you're very limited in upgrade choices. A Q8300 is one of the better choices for an upgrade.

4Gb of RAM is fine.

You're likely gonna need to upgrade your video card. Just hope your motherboard has a PCIe x16 slot for the new card.

Now the biggest problem I see is your power supply. I'm not sure about HP, but if it's anything like Dell, they tend to use unique case power supply combos that are only compatible with each other. You probably won't be able to fit a new power supply into that case (won't fit). But again, I'm not 100% sure about this.
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so..is it the general consesus that redeon cards are performing better the nvidia?
seems all the high end comps with nvidia score lower on the benchmark than similar ones with
radeon cards.


As of now, that is correct.

As of 22nd September, chances are likely that Geforces will be more optimized by then and will perform at least as well as Radeons.

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my head is gonna 'splode!
so... you guys with a brain, how does this build look?

Intel 15 760 2.8(quad core) over clocked to 3.3
asus p7p55d pro p55 sli mother board
4gb ddr3 1600mhz mem
nvidia gtx470 1.2gb(can switch to the radeon card if needed, but i prefer nvidia)
750 watt power supply
1 tb hitachi 7200rpm 32mb cache hd(can go with 1 tb western didgital 7200rpm 64mb cache if that is better)
generic dvd-r/rw/cd-r/rw 24/48x
standard internet access port
integrated mb audio
liquid cooled
performance fans
not gonna need a bigger power supply as i never intend to go sli

would this puppy run the heck outta FFxiv? in high settings?
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I am now looking at buying this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150447 for a new graphics card. It seems like it should run XIV alright, and this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341022 I would buy for a new power supply.

Now I see that some power supplies can be over 120$, am I being too cheap with a 65$ one? Also will this run on my computer period? I remember seeing some cards list their widths and heights etc, do I need to worry about size or will it generally fit in any desktop? Some of my computer specs are a few posts up, though they are limited. Thanks a ton, all.
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my head is gonna 'splode!
so... you guys with a brain, how does this build look?

Intel 15 760 2.8(quad core) over clocked to 3.3
4gb ddr3 1600mhz mem
nvidia gtx470 1.2gb(can switch to the radeon card if needed, but i prefer nvidia)


would this puppy run the heck outta FFxiv? in high settings?


Nope.
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I am now looking at buying this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150447 for a new graphics card. It seems like it should run XIV alright, and this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341022 I would buy for a new power supply.

Now I see that some power supplies can be over 120$, am I being too cheap with a 65$ one? Also will this run on my computer period? I remember seeing some cards list their widths and heights etc, do I need to worry about size or will it generally fit in any desktop? Some of my computer specs are a few posts up, though they are limited. Thanks a ton, all.


It should fit as long as your motherboard has a PCIe slot. The 5770 isn't a very long card so it should fit in any mid case.
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#836 Aug 13 2010 at 2:43 PM Rating: Decent
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grr...ok how about this
intel 17 quad core 960 3.2ghz
liquid cooled
nvidia gtx 470 1.2gb
6gb ddr3 1600
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windows 7 64 bit
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grr...ok how about this
intel 17 quad core 960 3.2ghz
nvidia gtx 470 1.2gb
6gb ddr3 1600


Still nope.

For you to be able to "run the heck out of FFXIV" you're going to need at least a GTX 480 or HD 5870. Overclocked.
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ok...last build i am gonna submit...this one pushes my budget to the max!

intel i7 930 2.8ghz quad core over clocked to 3.3
asus p6t deluxe intel x58 chipset mother board
6gb ddr3 2000mhz mem
750 watt power supply
1tb western digital 7200 rpm 64 mb cache
24/48x dvd
nvidia gtx480 1.5 overclocked
liquid cooling
windows 7 64 bit

if this won't run it in high settings and run it well
omg! they need to optimize their game!!


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That should run the game well on high.

However, I suggest changing that PSU to 800W+ if you're going to be overclocking a lot.
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ok...last build i am gonna submit...this one pushes my budget to the max!

intel i7 930 2.8ghz quad core over clocked to 3.3
asus p6t deluxe intel x58 chipset mother board
6gb ddr3 2000mhz mem
750 watt power supply
1tb western digital 7200 rpm 64 mb cache
24/48x dvd
nvidia gtx480 1.5 overclocked
liquid cooling
windows 7 64 bit

if this won't run it in high settings and run it well
omg! they need to optimize their game!!



Should run quite well, your definatly score better then I got, Also game comes out over a month away, you can get few peices here and there to help your pocketbook out ;)

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I was thinking, for those of you who have system questions, telling us what score you want to hit in high or low res would help us to direct you to more specific hardware. It's much easier to provide exact hardware if you provide a number vs "I want to run high res well." or "I want to run the crap out of high res." :P

For example, if you said "I want to hit 5000 in high res." I'd probably say you need a ATI 5870 and and overclocked cpu in the 3.8 - 4.2Ghz range because the 5870 has been scoring from 4800-5100 with the better cpus in that range.

You could use an AMD Phenom II x4 965 or one of the Phenom II x6s. For Intel people you could go with an I5 750 or many of the I7s such as 860, 920, 930, etc. Of course don't forget your aftermarket cooling if needed for the overclocks and make sure your motherboard is capable of overclocking.
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What do you say to either of these prebuilt systems: Prices are close in the $899 range.

#1: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883220045
Processor Intel Core i7 920(2.66GHz), 64 bit Quad-Core Processor
Hard Drive 1TB SATA 7200RPM
Optical Drive DVD±RW
Graphics NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260
Audio Sound card Integrated
Ethernet Gigabit Ethernet
OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
L3 Cache Per CPU 8MB
CPU Socket Type LGA 1366
CPU Main Features 64 bit Quad-Core Processor
GPU/VPU Type NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260
Graphics Interface PCI Express 2.0 x16
Memory 9GB
Form Factor DIMM 240-pin
Hard Drive 1TB, SATA, 7200 rpm

#2: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229199
Processor Intel Core i5 760(2.80GHz), 64 bit Quad-Core
Memory 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1333
Hard Drive 1TB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 7200RPM HDD
Optical Drive 1 24X DVD±R/±RW Dual Layer Drive
Graphics NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 1GB PCI-Express Graphics Card
Audio Sound card Integrated
Ethernet Gigabit LAN
Power Supply 700W
Operating System Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Special Features Coolermaster Elite 310 Gaming Tower
Chipset Intel H55
CPU Type Intel Core i5
CPU Speed 760(2.80GHz)
L3 Cache Per CPU 8MB
CPU Socket Type LGA 1156
CPU Main Features 64 bit Quad-Core Processor
GPU/VPU Type NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460
Graphics Interface PCI Express 2.0 x16
Memory Capacity 4GB DDR3
Memory Speed DDR3 1333
Form Factor DIMM 240-pin
Memory Spec 2GB x 2
Memory Slot (Total) 4
Memory Slot (Available) 2

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EVGA 01G-P3-1371-TR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5
Item #: N82E16814130565


You may want to consider the EVGA 01G-P3-1371-AR instead. It's the exact same card except the AR has the lifetime warranty while the TR only comes with a 2 year warranty. The price difference between the two should only be $10.
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I am new to building custom PCs and right now I am having trouble on the CPU. I am debating between the AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition 3.2 GHz, or to go the Intel route with the i7 930 2.80GHz. I have seen the i7 score pretty decent in the benchmark, but I cannot find too many of the X6 showing up in the charts.
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What do you say to either of these prebuilt systems: Prices are close in the $899 range.


#1: I'd say your looking at H:2300 L:3800 or overclocked H:2600 L:4600
#2: I haven't seen this exact combo but it should be something like H:2500 L:4600 overclocked H:2800 L:4800

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I am new to building custom PCs and right now I am having trouble on the CPU. I am debating between the AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition 3.2 GHz, or to go the Intel route with the i7 930 2.80GHz. I have seen the i7 score pretty decent in the benchmark, but I cannot find too many of the X6 showing up in the charts.


Depends on the video card you matching up to it. With anything up to a 5870 either CPU would get the max out the card as long as it's overclocked to the 3.8-4.2Ghz area. So buy whatever's cheaper and a good CPU cooler and you're looking at about a 5100 score on High Res.
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Thanks for the help!

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Is a monitor also included in that $2000 budget? Either way, you can build a monster PC with that.

With ANY PC that is able to get a good score on the benchmark, it will be way more than enough for everyday use, too. So you don't have to worry about that.

Some things to look into:

Any Intel i7 processor (or AMD Phenom II 1090T for futureproof)
Two Geforce GTX 480s or two Radeon 5870s.
4Gb of RAM is enough, 6 is more than enough. If you're a graphics artist doing a lot of rendering, go with 8Gb.
1000W+ power supply if you're using two video cards listed above.
3D-ready monitor to play FFXIV in 3D (only available with Geforce video cards)


I don't have to get a new monitor. There really isn't anything "wrong" with mine now at all. It's a 17 inch LCD, but it doesn't have an HDMI connection.
Thanks for the start, I'll keep doing reseach based on what you've posted. Any more help is greatly appreciated!
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Ok so I purchased everything I needed to build my computer and found out that my motherboard was DOA. I've now sent it back and will be getting a refund. I am now looking for a motherboard that will work with the following:

Videocard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102888
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231193
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103849
HDD: I have 4 hard drives. I'll need atleast 4 sata ports.

I'll need atleast 1 S/PDIF coaxial input for my sound. If I don't have that coaxial input, I'll have to buy anoter receiver and I don't have the money for that after all the computer parts. I also have a network card that I'll be putting in that is pci. I have a full tower and a 750W PSU. Thanks for any input you may have.
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Ok so I purchased everything I needed to build my computer and found out that my motherboard was DOA. I've now sent it back and will be getting a refund. I am now looking for a motherboard that will work with the following:

Videocard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102888
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231193
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103849
HDD: I have 4 hard drives. I'll need atleast 4 sata ports.

I'll need atleast 1 S/PDIF coaxial input for my sound. If I don't have that coaxial input, I'll have to buy anoter receiver and I don't have the money for that after all the computer parts. I also have a network card that I'll be putting in that is pci. I have a full tower and a 750W PSU. Thanks for any input you may have.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131651 should work for you. Double check to make sure it has everything you need, but it supports AM3, DDR3 1600, and 6x SATA 6.0 GBPS.
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That's actually the exact same one that I had to RMA because it was DOA. It would suit my needs, the only thing it doesn't have is the coaxial S/PDIF plug in. I ended up going to a local computer store and got a gigabyte 770TA-UD3 motherboard. It looks like it'll need a bios flash to support my 1090T cpu. I'm going to have to wait until monday to pay someone to flash the bios and put the rest of the stuff in and do some cable management. Knowing my luck when building computers, I'll ***** up the update. Thank you for your input Mikhalia. LOL I think half the people who visit this forum owes you a bunch with all the advice you've given.
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