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#902 Aug 17 2010 at 12:40 PM Rating: Decent
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I like to have my things so they will last.


In that case, go with a full overhaul; a new PC. Your current rig is at the end of its life. The only thing worth upgrading is the video card.
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In that case, go with a full overhaul; a new PC. Your current rig is at the end of its life. The only thing worth upgrading is the video card.


That would be an option if I didnt have a daughter on the way. I dont think I could get that much cash past my wife lol. I guess saying that I like my things to last is a poor choice of words for anything that has to do with computers, as they outgrow themselves so fast. So I must just make do with a new video card.
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Congrats on the new baby!

Man, what happened to the days of calling up Gateway and saying " I want a PC" and they build what you need and ship it to you. I need that again.
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I'm going to assume that CPU is the Q8300. In that case, you won't need to upgrade it. Your RAM should be alright. You're definitely going to want to upgrade your video card, though. For Radeon, go with the 5770 at least. For Geforce, go with the GTX 260 at least.


I can find out when I get home if it helps about the CPU. As for your video cards suggestions are those the one you would suggest, or is it worth spending a bit more for a better card. I am not they type of person to buy something that will just "get by", I like to have my things so they will last.


The 5770 and GTX260 will barely make the cut. GTX460 will bump you to the middle of the field. GTX470 and 5870 to mid-high, and GTX480, 5970 to high.

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The 5770 and GTX260 will barely make the cut. GTX460 will bump you to the middle of the field. GTX470 and 5870 to mid-high, and GTX480, 5970 to high.


And that's why I said at least a 5770 or 260. ;)
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SO I was just on shopping some of the custom computer stuff and came up with a configuration that seems to work. I based it off of the Benchmark thread talking about what should run on what setting. Sorry for asking so many questions but computers just aren't my thing, but I want a good unit. What do you think?


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[== Six Core ==] AMD Phenom™ II X6 1090T Black Edition Six-Core CPU Processor Cooling
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4 GB [2 GB X2] DDR3-1600 Memory Module - ** FREE Upgrade from DDR3-1333 ** Corsair or Major Brand

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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 465 - 1GB - EVGA Superclocked - Single Card

Motherboard
Gigabyte GA-770T-USB3 -- AMD 770
Motherboard USB / SATA Interface
Motherboard default USB / SATA Interface

Power Supply
650 Watt -- Thermaltake EVO_Blue W0307RU Power Supply SLI Ready

Primary Hard Drive
500 GB HARD DRIVE -- 16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 3.0Gb/s - Single Drive

Optical Drive
24X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive - Black

Flash Media Reader/Writer
12-In-1 Internal Flash Media Card Reader/Writer - Black

Sound Card
3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard

Network Card
Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100)


Now buy specing it out this way it is showing that with this CPU and graphics card I should be able to run at a bare minimum on the high setting but should do good on max setting. Now this is accoriding to the The Definitive "Why did my system bomb the benchmark?" Post

The CPU should generate about 6053 on Passmark which would mean well above +6500 on benchmark which is fine for MAX settings.

The graphics card should also generate about 2417 on Passmark which by the above mentioned thread says that anything above +2000 will be fine on MAX setting. Granted they said combined with a Corei7 but from my research the 1090t outperforms the some of the Corei7 CPU's.

From my little knowledge the RAM should be ok, or should I upgrage to 6?

Hard drive is fine, I won't do any storage other than games.

My main question is if I need to do something different since I am feeding it through a receiver and 120 inch screen. When going from a normal 23 inch screen to a much larger screen do I need to modify anything?

Any input is appreciated.


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That all looks fine, but I would go with a GTX 460 1GB instead of the 465. I think you will also find that the AMD hexcores aren't performing as well as a 955 or 965 in FFXIV, especially not when you consider the extra cost.

This can not be stressed enough for people buying a rig just for FFXIV:

The majority of the game runs in 2 threads, meaning the majority of the game runs on 2 cores. You will be better served with less number of fast cores vs 6 slower cores.

Edited, Aug 17th 2010 4:25pm by Enscheff
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Thanks for that input. I was just basing it off of the benchmark thread with links to Passmark scores. It shows the 1090t to handily outperform the 965.

So your saying I should see better performance out of the AMD Phenom II X4 965 versus the AMD Phenom II X6 1090T when dedicated to FFXIV then?
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Jesus christ, I give up.
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Jesus christ, I give up.


about time, lol
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I guess those were shot at me?

SOrry for my computer ignorance, just trying to learn and ask questions to make right decisions.
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I just replied your PM. Read away. :)

Edit: Heading to bed, will check back when I wake up. :p

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Thanks for that input. I was just basing it off of the benchmark thread with links to Passmark scores. It shows the 1090t to handily outperform the 965.

So your saying I should see better performance out of the AMD Phenom II X4 965 versus the AMD Phenom II X6 1090T when dedicated to FFXIV then?


People that scored 1000 on the benchmark are playing the game in beta, so that should tell you how much stock to put into that benchmark.

People in the beta forums have proved the game runs on mainly two threads. That means there is little to no benefit of using a CPU with 6 cores vs 4 cores. This is not going to change for FFXIV...ever. Other games and applications will most certainly be different, but I am speaking about performance in FFXIV, and FFXIV only.

If anyone states the game is fully utilizing all 6 cores (or even all 4 cores) of their CPU then they don't fully understand what is going on. They are confusing process threads (controlled by the game engine) with load balancing (controlled by the OS). The OS will send jobs to the different cores to balance the load, but it does NOT mean more threads are being executed in parallel.
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Great deal on that OC'd 260gtx, I scooped it up today. Now I am seriously considering using my old HDD. I've only used 35% of the drive so there is plenty of space available. It's a Seagate ST3160212A with Win XP pro 32-bit SP3, but this leads me to a couple noobish questions.

Is there anything I need to check to see if my old HDD will work with the components I have selected? Are there any major drawbacks running FFXIV on my old HDD with Win XP instead of Win 7? I plan to upgrade to a better HDD/Win7 eventually but if the old one works this will be very, very good for me considering my budget.

Thanks.

Edit: I had some time to research my own questions and discovered that Win XP will only utilize 3.5GB of RAM max. Also noted some general performance gains reported for XIV using Win 7 over XP according to benchmark scores. Still, I'm leaning towards starting off using my old HDD with Win XP and upgrade as soon as I can afford to.

Edited, Aug 17th 2010 8:58pm by havashank

Edited, Aug 17th 2010 9:01pm by havashank
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Great deal on that OC'd 260gtx, I scooped it up today. Now I am seriously considering using my old HDD. I've only used 35% of the drive so there is plenty of space available. It's a Seagate ST3160212A with Win XP pro 32-bit SP3, but this leads me to a couple noobish questions.

Is there anything I need to check to see if my old HDD will work with the components I have selected? Are there any major drawbacks running FFXIV on my old HDD with Win XP instead of Win 7? I plan to upgrade to a better HDD/Win7 eventually but if the old one works this will be very, very good for me considering my budget.

Thanks.

Edit: I had some time to research my own questions and discovered that Win XP will only utilize 3.5GB of RAM max. Also noted some general performance gains reported for XIV using Win 7 over XP according to benchmark scores. Still, I'm leaning towards starting off using my old HDD with Win XP and upgrade as soon as I can afford to.

Edited, Aug 17th 2010 8:58pm by havashank

Edited, Aug 17th 2010 9:01pm by havashank


The first thing to check for your old HDD is to see what kind of cable it uses. Is it STAT or is it IDE. Your new board only has 1 IDE slot so if your HDD uses IDE cable, you will have to ditch the old DVD drive and get one that use SATA (SATA has faster data transfer rate, I would against doing such a thing, since your game runs on HD). As far as Win 7 or Win XP, you will most likely have to reinstall your OS after switching MB, so unless you already have a Win XP install desk ready...you might as well install Win 7.
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Thanks for all the great assistance. After carefully considering my options, and researching for hours I have a revamped and hopefully final build. The only hangups I have are whether or not I should go with the EVO version of the mobo and how the oversized gpu I bought will fit in the case.

I am pleased with what I was able to put together for savings and compatibility. The video card is a refurb BFG Tech GeForce GTX 260 OCX Maxcore purchased seperately for just over $100. Keep in mind this is designed for a budget under $700 to run XIV smoothly at low/med settings. Opinions welcome:

http://imgur.com/1bw1x.jpg
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Hello everyone,

I am desperate to make sure my computer is FFviv ready when the game comes out. I know its not up to par as is, its an HP Pavillion p6110y that I bought at Best Buy a while ago. I upgraded the video card to an NVidia GeForce 210 about a year ago which I'm pretty sure isn't going to be enough.

My computer specs: http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/hp-pavilion-p6110y/4507-3118_7-33698026.html
*Nvidia GeForce 210 video card instead of the one listed.

I'm pretty sure any video card upgrade I do is going to require a new power supply too. I was talking it over with a co-worker and he suggested the possibility of HP using proprietary power supplies and that replacing the one I have might be a bit of a bother.

I'm also a bit of a novice in terms of computer assembly, so any advice regarding my computer would be welcome (also bear in mind, any financial advice please try to keep in the middle as I'm a student on a very tight budget)

Thanks in advance :D








Edited, Aug 17th 2010 11:52pm by Jjnnyrr
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Hello everyone,

I am desperate to make sure my computer is FFviv ready when the game comes out. I know its not up to par as is, its an HP Pavillion p6110y that I bought at Best Buy a while ago. I upgraded the video card to an NVidia GeForce 210 about a year ago which I'm pretty sure isn't going to be enough.

My computer specs: http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/hp-pavilion-p6110y/4507-3118_7-33698026.html
*Nvidia GeForce 210 video card instead of the one listed.

I'm pretty sure any video card upgrade I do is going to require a new power supply too. I was talking it over with a co-worker and he suggested the possibility of HP using proprietary power supplies and that replacing the one I have might be a bit of a bother.

I'm also a bit of a novice in terms of computer assembly, so any advice regarding my computer would be welcome (also bear in mind, any financial advice please try to keep in the middle as I'm a student on a very tight budget)

Thanks in advance :D


Your CPU is probably -just- able to run the game. You'll need to upgrade the GPU though.

How tight of a budget are you on? If you only have a hundred bucks or two, change the video card first. If you have $200-300, change the GPU as well as the CPU to a quad core. The RAM is old, but passable.

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So this is what I have in my computer:

eMachines T3092 Specifications
CPU: AMD Athlon™ XP 3000+ Processor
QuantiSpeed™ Architecture operates at 2.167GHz
512KB L2 cache & 333MHz FSB
Operating System: Genuine Microsoft Windows XP Home
Chipset: NVIDIA nForce™2
Memory: 512MB DDR (PC 2700)
Expandable to 2GB
Hard Drive: 160GB HDD (7200rpm)
Optical Drive: DVD ± RW Drive (Write Max: 8x DVD±R, 4x DVD±RW, 32x CD-R, 16x CD-RW; Reads 40x CD, 12x DVD); 48x Max. CD-ROM Drive
Media Reader: 8-in-1 digital media manager (USB 2.0, Secure Digital™ (SD), Smart Media, Compact Flash, Memory Stick, Memory Stick PRO, Micro Drive, Multimedia Card)
Video: NVIDIA GeForce4™ MX graphics (1 AGP 8x slot available)
Sound: nForce™ 6-channel Audio
Network: 10/100Mbps built-in Ethernet


Thinking about adding: PNY - NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT 1GB GDDR3 PCI Express Graphics Card
and AMD - Deneb Phenom™ II X4 Processor 945.

What else should I add to this computer.
I don't have a ton of money to put into it but I do have some... Any ideas would be great I have the CE ordered so hoping to have everything up and running by then.
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Bezmir wrote:
Thinking about adding: PNY - NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT 1GB GDDR3 PCI Express Graphics Card
and AMD - Deneb Phenom™ II X4 Processor 945.

What else should I add to this computer.
I don't have a ton of money to put into it but I do have some... Any ideas would be great I have the CE ordered so hoping to have everything up and running by then.


You cannot add a Phenom 945 nor a 9800 GT in your computer. Your computer is simply too old and doesn't support the newer CPUs and video cards. :(

You're probably gonna have to change the following to be able to run the game:

Motherboard
CPU
Video card
RAM
And likely the power supply
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Thanks for all the great assistance. After carefully considering my options, and researching for hours I have a revamped and hopefully final build. The only hangups I have are whether or not I should go with the EVO version of the mobo and how the oversized gpu I bought will fit in the case.

I am pleased with what I was able to put together for savings and compatibility. The video card is a refurb BFG Tech GeForce GTX 260 OCX Maxcore purchased seperately for just over $100. Keep in mind this is designed for a budget under $700 to run XIV smoothly at low/med settings. Opinions welcome:

http://imgur.com/1bw1x.jpg


That rig will do fine. Now time to learn how to OC :)
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Current computer specs:

Motherboard:
Gigabyte Tech. EP45-DS4P
CPU:
Intel Core Duo CPU E8500 @ 3.16GHz
RAM:
2GB DDR2 RAM
GFX card:
ATI Radeon HD 4850 Series
Operating system:
Windows XP Professional Service pack 3

Benchmark results:

High:1518
loadtime:42573ms

Low:2564
Loadtime: 40612ms

Thinking about upgrading CPU to
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
and OS to
Window 7 Pro or ultimate
and RAM to
4GB DDR2 or even 8GBDDR

Would this help my benchmark noticeable?
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Hello everyone,

I am desperate to make sure my computer is FFviv ready when the game comes out. I know its not up to par as is, its an HP Pavillion p6110y that I bought at Best Buy a while ago. I upgraded the video card to an NVidia GeForce 210 about a year ago which I'm pretty sure isn't going to be enough.

My computer specs: http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/hp-pavilion-p6110y/4507-3118_7-33698026.html
*Nvidia GeForce 210 video card instead of the one listed.

I'm pretty sure any video card upgrade I do is going to require a new power supply too. I was talking it over with a co-worker and he suggested the possibility of HP using proprietary power supplies and that replacing the one I have might be a bit of a bother.

I'm also a bit of a novice in terms of computer assembly, so any advice regarding my computer would be welcome (also bear in mind, any financial advice please try to keep in the middle as I'm a student on a very tight budget)

Thanks in advance :D



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Your CPU is probably -just- able to run the game. You'll need to upgrade the GPU though.

How tight of a budget are you on? If you only have a hundred bucks or two, change the video card first. If you have $200-300, change the GPU as well as the CPU to a quad core. The RAM is old, but passable.


I was hoping to reach about 2000 -2500 on the benchmark. I have a budget of about $500 to work with, so I'm hopeful for a decent upgrade. Any other suggestions for my system?

Thanks again :D
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I was hoping to reach about 2000 -2500 on the benchmark. I have a budget of about $500 to work with, so I'm hopeful for a decent upgrade. Any other suggestions for my system?

Thanks again :D


CPU + 650W PSU - $205
Video card - $135
Motherboard + 4Gb RAM combo - $135

Total = $475

Should get you 3500 on the benchmark on low.

Edit: Make sure modern power supplies fit in your case though.

Edit 2: You can also change the CPU+PSU combo to this one for $185, which will save you another 20 bucks.

Edited, Aug 18th 2010 11:47am by Threx
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Current computer specs:

Motherboard:
Gigabyte Tech. EP45-DS4P
CPU:
Intel Core Duo CPU E8500 @ 3.16GHz
RAM:
2GB DDR2 RAM
GFX card:
ATI Radeon HD 4850 Series
Operating system:
Windows XP Professional Service pack 3

Benchmark results:

High:1518
loadtime:42573ms

Low:2564
Loadtime: 40612ms

Thinking about upgrading CPU to
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
and OS to
Window 7 Pro or ultimate
and RAM to
4GB DDR2 or even 8GBDDR

Would this help my benchmark noticeable?
Cheers for help in advance


More RAM is not going to help your score, and neither is switching to Win7.

Upgrading to a slower quad core CPU may help your score slightly, but not by much. FFXIV mainly runs on 2 threads, so going to a much slower quad core will not likely help much. You would probably be better off trying to OC your current CPU.

Your scores seem a bit low as they are only about 100 points higher than what I get with a C2D E6600 @ 3.0GHz and an 8800 GTS 320MB, both of which are significantly less powerful than your CPU and GPU. Have you updated your ATI drivers?
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Yes I've got the latest drivers. I just realised i did that test on only 1GB of ram. maybe that's why?
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I too wanted to thank all the input I have received, definately looks like I will have to bump my budget a bit to get the performance I wanted. Here is the new rig I was think of making, any input would be appreciated.

Processor
Intel® Core™ i7 960 Processor (4x 3.20GHz/8MB L3 Cache)

Processor Cooling
Liquid CPU Cooling System [SOCKET-1366] - [Free Upgrade] Standard 120mm Fan

Memory
6 GB [2 GB X3] DDR3-1600 - ** FREE Upgrade from DDR3-1333 ** Corsair or Major Brand

Video Card
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 465 - 1GB - EVGA Superclocked - SLI Mode (Dual Cards)

Motherboard
[SLI] MSI X58 PRO-E
Motherboard USB / SATA Interface
Motherboard default USB / SATA Interface

Power Supply
1000 Watt -- Extreme Power Supply [Gaming Series] Quad SLI + Active PFC

Primary Hard Drive
500 GB HARD DRIVE -- 16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 3.0Gb/s - Single Drive

Optical Drive
24X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive - Black


I had to adjust my budget to about $1300 with case and all but it definately looks like it will be worth it.

I was originally looking to go with the GeForce GTX 470 but after doing some research it looks like going dual 465's will give me better performance for just a bit more money. The dual 465's show to even out perform the GTX 480 for less $$$. I saw a test online where they were running Crysis Warhead and it looked like the single 470 card generated about 41 FPS and the dual 465's generated about 58 FPS on 1920x1200 resolution, using same Intel CPU of course.

Do you think this rig would run on MAX setting or would I still be limited to HIGH settings?

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#931 Aug 18 2010 at 9:07 PM Rating: Decent
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I found these articles while trying to get some info about Sli vs. Crossfire. Maybe some of you will find them interesting/helpful

http://www.techspot.com/review/289-geforce-gtx-480-sli-versus-radeon-5870-crossfire/

http://www.symbianpinoy.com/download/2010/08/11/in-depth-sli-vs-crossfire-which-is-better/

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Current computer specs:

Motherboard:
Gigabyte Tech. EP45-DS4P
CPU:
Intel Core Duo CPU E8500 @ 3.16GHz
RAM:
2GB DDR2 RAM
GFX card:
ATI Radeon HD 4850 Series
Operating system:
Windows XP Professional Service pack 3

Benchmark results:

High:1518
loadtime:42573ms

Low:2564
Loadtime: 40612ms


Thinking about upgrading CPU to
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
and OS to
Window 7 Pro or ultimate
and RAM to
4GB DDR2 or even 8GBDDR

Would this help my benchmark noticeable?
Cheers for help in advance


Just retook the benchmark now that I have both Gigs of RAM working and scored in low setting mode

Low:2621
Loadtime: 23832ms


Will try and over-clock soon


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I had to adjust my budget to about $1300 with case and all but it definately looks like it will be worth it.

I was originally looking to go with the GeForce GTX 470 but after doing some research it looks like going dual 465's will give me better performance for just a bit more money. The dual 465's show to even out perform the GTX 480 for less $$$. I saw a test online where they were running Crysis Warhead and it looked like the single 470 card generated about 41 FPS and the dual 465's generated about 58 FPS on 1920x1200 resolution, using same Intel CPU of course.

Do you think this rig would run on MAX setting or would I still be limited to HIGH settings?


Looks good. However, I recommend two GTX 460 instead of two GTX 465. Get the 1Gb versions if you can.
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Thanks for your reply Threx.

You said I would need a motherboard, CPU, Graphics Card, Ram, and perhapes a power supply.
What would you buy on a limit of 600.00 to 700.00 and keep this in mind I have a friend that can get items at good prices from where he works.
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Okay, so, I've been reading a bit through this thread for a while now, trying my best to put the advice given to suit my own personal needs, however, despite what knowledge I have as far as computers are concerned, I seem to fail to be able to put anything together and still trust that I'm correct. So, I've decided to stick my pride into a small bag and hide it under my bed and ask.

I like my computer, it's done well for me. It's ran several games on highest settings available, like Dragon Age, WoW, Aion, League of Legends, and a few others, with absolutely no problems, no lags, and high frames. After reading the minimum requirements for XIV, I've come to realize that I may need to make a few changes to this beloved system. First off, I've run the benchmark in both High and Low formats. At high, I've scored a little over 1100, and on low, I score around 2400. My boyfriend, who is running just about the same computer as mine, except that his CPU is 2.6 GHZ, mine is 2.3, and he's running a GT 9500, and I'm running a GT 240. His scores around 940 on low, which we both find strange.

We're both looking for ideas on how we can upgrade our systems to run XIV on, since we don't really want to straight up purchase a totally new PC [unless it ends up being cheaper] for each of us.

We both have some experience in exchanging parts within the machine itself, though we've never actually had to find and purchase the items in question-- we don't know much about compatibility between components, and there inlies our problem area.

I have an AMD Phenom X4 9650 with an AM2+ (940) socket. It's a quad-core with 2.3GHZ. I'm running 7gigs of DDR2 RAM, which all came with the computer when I purchased it. It's expandable to 16. The card, as mentioned before, is a GT 240, 512 mb. 600gig hard drive-- I have a vast majority of it available [a little under 500 gigs]... and currently running Windows Vista Home Premium, 64 bit-- and looking to upgrade one of these days to 7. I am willing to upgrade whatever I may need to, I just don't know what exactly to upgrade it to-- I'd like to definitely get a better CPU, but I'm unsure as to what the available options really are for me. I'd willingly upgrade my motherboard if necessary to support a new processor, but I'm not sure what else I would have to upgrade along side it in order to keep everything in my system compatible.

I'm not too sure on the exact specifications of my boyfriends computer, but I know that his CPU is an AMD Athlon II X4 620 2.66 GHZ, he's running 6gigs of RAM, with a 600gig hard drive [most of it available, as well], Windows 7, 64bit, and the GT 9500. He, for sure, wants a suitable upgrade to his graphics card, but isn't sure as to what to get.

So, to be frank, and as short as possible [I apologize for the wall of text, I have a tendency to ramble a bit when I type], we would like to know of what upgrades we should look at primarily. We don't need to run at the highest settings possible, but we would like to get as close to the holy grail so-to-speak as we can manage between the two of us without purchasing brand new systems. As for our budget, we're looking at about $1500 available to spend [between the two of us].

Thank you for any help you can be to us!
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Thanks for your reply Threx.

You said I would need a motherboard, CPU, Graphics Card, Ram, and perhapes a power supply.
What would you buy on a limit of 600.00 to 700.00 and keep this in mind I have a friend that can get items at good prices from where he works.


CPU: Phenom II x4 955 (or 965)
GPU: Radeon HD 5770
RAM: 4Gb DDR3 1333
Motherboard: Pretty much any AM3 socket motherboard that isn't garbage (generally speaking, stick to $80+)
PSU: 600W+

Check newegg.com for combo deals. You should be able to easily get those 5 pieces for less than $600. That set up will get you about 4000 on the benchmark on low.

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At high, I've scored a little over 1100, and on low, I score around 2400. My boyfriend, who is running just about the same computer as mine, except that his CPU is 2.6 GHZ, mine is 2.3, and he's running a GT 9500, and I'm running a GT 240. His scores around 940 on low, which we both find strange.


You likely both have a video card bottleneck. His is inferior to yours so he gets less benchmark scores.

Your CPUs aren't -too- bad, but your video cards are horrible. With a video card upgrade, you two can get benchmark scores of about 3000 on low. With a CPU upgrade as well, you can hit 4000 easily.

A $1500 budget is more than enough. In fact, you can upgrade both your systems to achieve scores of 4000 on low using a budget of $1200.

Read the post I typed just above this one, that's the set up I recommend. :)

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To the tech heads here
(as obvious I know nothing about it)

Would I be able to put a
AMD CPU (AMD Phenom II X4 Quad Core 955 3.20GHz 8MB Cache (AM3) - Black Edition)
on my current Motherboard
(GA-EP45-DS4P (rev. 2.0))
The chipset states Intel, so something is telling me its not possible.

Any help is appreciated
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Ahh, alright!

Thank you, Threx! I'll be sure to look into it!
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Would I be able to put a
AMD CPU (AMD Phenom II X4 Quad Core 955 3.20GHz 8MB Cache (AM3) - Black Edition)
on my current Motherboard
(GA-EP45-DS4P (rev. 2.0))
The chipset states Intel, so something is telling me its not possible.


And you are correct. You cannot put an AMD CPU into a motherboard designed for Intel CPUs.
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thanks man I'll send this list to my buddy.
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And you are correct. You cannot put an AMD CPU into a motherboard designed for Intel CPUs.


Thank you.
Would you also think that a Dual core 3.16GHz be fine for this game?, or would you suggest an OC or new CPU?
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I apologize up front for my lack of all things PC. I've been a console gamer all my life including FFXI on my 360. Some friends have been telling me that if I want the best performance/playability from FFXIV, I need to play it on PC and not PS3. That's something I'm willing to do, but I'll need a bit of hand-holding. I'm hoping y'all can bear with me and forgive my ignorance on the subject.

Everything I've been reading here says that building your own PC is the most economical way to go, but I'm an accident waiting to happen. I'd electrocute myself or burn the house down or something. I'd much rather fork out some extra cash to get a pre-assembled unit.

I guess I should tell you a little about my situation. This PC will be for FFXIV only. I get a laptop through work and that's the only computer (and it's a MacBook Pro) I need. I don't play any other PC games and won't pick up any new ones in the future. I'd like to use my existing HDTV as my monitor. I'd like to be able to play the game in High Res and really want to future proof my system as far as FFXIV is concerned. I'm willing to pay a premium to ensure that I won't have to upgrade the PC in the future just to keep playing FFXIV at a high level. I guess what I'm asking would correlate to a high bench mark score, but I'm not sure.

I'd like to be economical, but this is my once a year big-gift-to-myself, so I'm willing to spend. I've got up to $3,000 to spend to set me up for the next decade or so with regards to FFXIV. I'd obviously like to spend less, but I'll spend up to $3,000 to meet the above criteria.

With all of that in mind, could anyone suggest some must-include options for a FFXIV-only gaming PC? Or better yet, would anyone be willing to build a PC on www.cyberpowerpc.com or www.ibuypower.com and link it here? I appreciate your patience and your help with this issue. I just want to put myself in the position to enjoy FFXIV as much as I can for the next several years and I don't know how to do that by myself. Any advice is appreciated.
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I just put in my order.

Intel i7 930
Cooler Master 92mm Sleeve CPU Cooler
ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 Motherboard
G.Skill 6GB (3x2GB) DDR3 1600 ram
EVGA GeForce GTX 470
Raidmax 730w PSU
Seagate 1T hard drive
I'm going to reuse my old case.

Should pump out 3k from benchmark with 1080p without overclocking. Parts should arrive sometime this week.



Edited, Aug 15th 2010 11:38pm by OneFatAngel


Got all the stuff yesterday and put everything together.

Benchmark on 720p was 5164 without OCing. The CPU for some reason was running on the warm side (42-45C idle, 55-60C during benchmark), I need to figure out what went wrong before going for OC.
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Looks good. However, I recommend two GTX 460 instead of two GTX 465. Get the 1Gb versions if you can.


JUst wondering why go with the 460's?
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Looks good. However, I recommend two GTX 460 instead of two GTX 465. Get the 1Gb versions if you can.


JUst wondering why go with the 460's?


Same performance, runs cooler and uses less juice...and slightly cheaper.
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This PC will be for FFXIV only. I don't play any other PC games and won't pick up any new ones in the future. I'd like to use my existing HDTV as my monitor. I'd like to be able to play the game in High Res and really want to future proof my system as far as FFXIV is concerned. I'm willing to pay a premium to ensure that I won't have to upgrade the PC in the future just to keep playing FFXIV at a high level. I guess what I'm asking would correlate to a high bench mark score, but I'm not sure.

I'd like to be economical, but this is my once a year big-gift-to-myself, so I'm willing to spend. I've got up to $3,000 to spend to set me up for the next decade or so with regards to FFXIV. I'd obviously like to spend less, but I'll spend up to $3,000 to meet the above criteria.

With all of that in mind, could anyone suggest some must-include options for a FFXIV-only gaming PC? Or better yet, would anyone be willing to build a PC on www.cyberpowerpc.com or www.ibuypower.com and link it here? I appreciate your patience and your help with this issue. I just want to put myself in the position to enjoy FFXIV as much as I can for the next several years and I don't know how to do that by myself. Any advice is appreciated.


Jesus, I wish I had $3000 to burn for just one game. o.O

But ask and you shall receive:

Using cyberpowerpc.com, you can get this for $2936:

Case: HAF-X full tower
PSU: 1,200W
Mainboard: MSI X58A-GD65 Intel X58 Chipset SLI/CrossFireX Triple-Channel DDR3
CPU: i7 960 (with the 20% overclock service, assuming you don't know how to overclock yourself)
RAM: 6Gb DDR3 1600
GPUs: Two EVGA GTX 480s
SSD: 60Gb for installing Windows and FFXIV
HDD: 300Gb 10,000rpm (don't even need this if you're just using the computer for FFXIV)
Liquid cooling system for CPU+GPU
Maximum Enermax 1200mm extra cooling fans for the case

With the above PC, you should be able to take anything FFXIV throws at you with a smile.
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Got all the stuff yesterday and put everything together.

Benchmark on 720p was 5164 without OCing. The CPU for some reason was running on the warm side (42-45C idle, 55-60C during benchmark), I need to figure out what went wrong before going for OC.


Try reinstalling the CPU's cooler, using Arctic Silver 5 or Shin-Etsu thermal compounds.

Edit: Or the MX-2

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OneFatAngel wrote:
Got all the stuff yesterday and put everything together.

Benchmark on 720p was 5164 without OCing. The CPU for some reason was running on the warm side (42-45C idle, 55-60C during benchmark), I need to figure out what went wrong before going for OC.


Try reinstalling the CPU's cooler, using Arctic Silver 5 or Shin-Etsu thermal compounds.

Edit: Or the MX-2

Edited, Aug 19th 2010 10:08am by Threx


I'm going to get a program that gets me the core temp instead of reading it off the bios. I have a funny feeling that the bios is giving me some funky data.
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Jaqbauer wrote:
This PC will be for FFXIV only. I don't play any other PC games and won't pick up any new ones in the future. I'd like to use my existing HDTV as my monitor. I'd like to be able to play the game in High Res and really want to future proof my system as far as FFXIV is concerned. I'm willing to pay a premium to ensure that I won't have to upgrade the PC in the future just to keep playing FFXIV at a high level. I guess what I'm asking would correlate to a high bench mark score, but I'm not sure.

I'd like to be economical, but this is my once a year big-gift-to-myself, so I'm willing to spend. I've got up to $3,000 to spend to set me up for the next decade or so with regards to FFXIV. I'd obviously like to spend less, but I'll spend up to $3,000 to meet the above criteria.

With all of that in mind, could anyone suggest some must-include options for a FFXIV-only gaming PC? Or better yet, would anyone be willing to build a PC on www.cyberpowerpc.com or www.ibuypower.com and link it here? I appreciate your patience and your help with this issue. I just want to put myself in the position to enjoy FFXIV as much as I can for the next several years and I don't know how to do that by myself. Any advice is appreciated.


Jesus, I wish I had $3000 to burn for just one game. o.O

But ask and you shall receive:

Using cyberpowerpc.com, you can get this for $2936:

Case: HAF-X full tower
PSU: 1,200W
Mainboard: MSI X58A-GD65 Intel X58 Chipset SLI/CrossFireX Triple-Channel DDR3
CPU: i7 960 (with the 20% overclock service, assuming you don't know how to overclock yourself)
RAM: 6Gb DDR3 1600
GPUs: Two EVGA GTX 480s
SSD: 60Gb for installing Windows and FFXIV
HDD: 300Gb 10,000rpm (don't even need this if you're just using the computer for FFXIV)
Liquid cooling system for CPU+GPU
Maximum Enermax 1200mm extra cooling fans for the case

With the above PC, you should be able to take anything FFXIV throws at you with a smile.


HAHA, that is quite the BEAST you hooked him up with there! That is pretty much THE build for $3k, and I agree on all parts.

If the OP is interested in shaving off some of that cost, he could start by switching to dual 460s, a smaller PSU (around 750W), drop the overclock service and liquid cooling (and still be left with plenty of CPU power) and ditch the SSD (but bump the HDD up to 1TB).

All up to the OP though if he really wants to drop the full $3k. I am envious!

EDIT: Since it is so much fun to spend someone elses money, here is a gaming rig I would put together for him. It is still a great PC, but doesn't throw caution to the wind quite as much:

Go to AVADirect here:

http://www.avadirect.com/product_details_configurator.asp?PRID=12146

Select the following options (most are already the default) for a total of $2331:

COMPUCASE HEC 6C28B Black Mid-Tower Case, No PSU, ATX
CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX TX Series Power Supply, 850W (might need larger)
INTEL DX58SO (Smackover), LGA1366, Intel® X58, 6400 MT/s QPI, DDR3-1333 16GB /4
INTEL Core™ i7-960 Quad-Core, 3.2GHz, LGA1366
CRUCIAL 6GB (3 x 2GB) PC3-10600 DDR3 1333MHz CL9 1.5V SDRAM DIMM, Non-ECC
GIGABYTE GV-R587OC-1GD, Radeon™ HD 5870 870MHz, 1GB GDDR5 4800MHz
GIGABYTE GV-R587OC-1GD, Radeon™ HD 5870 870MHz, 1GB GDDR5 4800MHz
SEAGATE 500GB Barracuda® 7200.12, SATA 3 Gb/s, 7200 RPM, 16MB cache
SONY AD-7241S Black 24x DVD±R/RW Dual-Layer Burner w/ Lightscribe, SATA, OEM
MICROSOFT Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Edition, OEM
WARRANTY Silver Warranty Package (3 Year Limited Parts, 3 Year Labor Warranty)

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Just curiosity, would a mid-tower be able to fit the two 5870's?

In other notes, due to my ignorance I can't find a CPU cooler, or actually, I don't know what CPU cooler to use for Phenom II X4 965 3.4 GHZ OC. Anyone one has any suggestions? keeping in mind a reasonable price.
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