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#52 Jul 01 2010 at 10:14 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm not very tech savvy so if someone could tell me, will these specs run the game?

Intel® Core™ i3 530 Dual Core 2.93GHz (4MB Cache)

ATI Radeon™ HD 5670, 1GB GDDR5

3GB DDR3 at 1333MHz

500GB - SATA-II, 3Gb/s, 7,200RPM, 16MB Cache HDD


If not, what would I need to upgrade?
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@Cup: You should be fine.


I'm going to reiterate my usual "Go quad core" but you should be okay like that for low settings.
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#55 Jul 01 2010 at 11:49 PM Rating: Decent
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I am prepared to wait for the ps3 release, but my brother is determined to build a PC and I told him that I would help him. Now I am computer savvy and its currently my major in college but I figured I would ask for further confirmation whether or not these will allow him to play FFXIV.

The important parts are...

Intel Core2 Duo E7500 Wolfdale 2.93GHz 3MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor

HIS H467QS1GH Radeon HD 4670 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600

640GB 7200RPM SATA 3.0GB/s


Any help is greatly appreciated.

Edited, Jul 2nd 2010 1:49am by HocusP
#56 Jul 02 2010 at 12:09 AM Rating: Good
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Mikhalia wrote:
I'm going to reiterate my usual "Go quad core" but you should be okay like that for low settings.


Quad cost a little more than dual and will provide MUCH better performance. The added expense of Quad Core instead of Dual is worth it.

Either i5 Quad (or better) or Athlon II/Phenom II x4 (or better).

The rest sounds reasonable.
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#57 Jul 02 2010 at 7:19 AM Rating: Good
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edit: also, how the **** did the 5970 bench lower than the 5870 at http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html?


Because both benchmarks and vice card model numbers are confusing. If you really want to look into it more, you should try and find multiple benchmarks for both cards, to make sure that one just isn't a fluke.
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Lamnethx of the Seven Seas wrote:
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edit: also, how the **** did the 5970 bench lower than the 5870 at http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html?


Because both benchmarks and vice card model numbers are confusing. If you really want to look into it more, you should try and find multiple benchmarks for both cards, to make sure that one just isn't a fluke.


I'll look around, and if you know of a couple places please let me know as if the rumors of a 6k series are true by September it'll all work with my plan of upgrading just before the release. Also, AMD Phenom X6 1090T, worth it (or even going with the 1055T as it's a mere $20+ from the top X4)?
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Lamnethx of the Seven Seas wrote:
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edit: also, how the **** did the 5970 bench lower than the 5870 at http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html?


Because both benchmarks and vice card model numbers are confusing. If you really want to look into it more, you should try and find multiple benchmarks for both cards, to make sure that one just isn't a fluke.


Some bechmarks/games do not utilize the multiple gpu cores.
#60 Jul 02 2010 at 11:21 AM Rating: Decent
We really need a 'will my computer be ok' sticky I think. I agree with people asking, it just doesn't need to be spread out over multiple thread.
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We really need a 'will my computer be ok' sticky I think. I agree with people asking, it just doesn't need to be spread out over multiple thread.

Just put in a request for this over at the feedback forum. :D
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#62 Jul 02 2010 at 11:29 AM Rating: Decent
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For OP:

To find your current specs/graphics card info in Windows 7:

1.Go to the start button, highlight Computer and right click.

2. Go to Properties, the right side has a Windows experience index. This will have your processor, ram, and operating system information.

3. On the left side click, device manager, and under display adapters it will display the graphics card you have.
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#63 Jul 02 2010 at 11:34 AM Rating: Decent
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I'll look around, and if you know of a couple places please let me know as if the rumors of a 6k series are true by September it'll all work with my plan of upgrading just before the release. Also, AMD Phenom X6 1090T, worth it (or even going with the 1055T as it's a mere $20+ from the top X4)?


From a pure processing point, the answer is an emphatic yes. The X6 processors are not nearly as efficient as the i7, only benchmark at bout 70% of their performance, but costs less than a third of their price. They are also very partial to overclocking, though they are too new to see how long they will remain stable. The real question is whether FFXIV will take advantage of the 6 cores or not.
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#64 Jul 02 2010 at 11:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Quick question

If your motherboard socket type is AM3, will it support a AM2+ processor? I will just put links up to both products if you need to see for yourself.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130275&cm_re=msi_motherboard-_-13-130-275-_-Product

AND

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103644

Any help is appreciated
#65 Jul 02 2010 at 12:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Hi, I have stock computer from HP and I have to upgrade the video card to run FFXIV. I don't want to spend too much for it as I'm not hardcore gamer, all I want is to play FFXIV with standard performance at high resolution. Which video card do you guys recommend? Would PS3 be a better choice? Thank you in advance.

My PC:

HP Pavilion p6280t PC (it has PCI-E 16X slot for video card)
• Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
• Intel(R) Core(TM) 2 Quad processor Q8400 [2.66GHz, 4MB L2, 1333MHz FSB]
• 6GB DDR2-800MHz SDRAM [3 DIMMs]
• EVGA GeForce GT220 1GB DDR3
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From scratch, just rough numbers on a machine that could run FFXIV for normal gameplay (probably even playable enough on high settings):

Case: $50 (big range here but this is roughly in the middle)
PSU: $80 (decent quality bran around 500W if no sli or xfire needed)
CPU: $180 (i5 750 or AMD 965 black edition)
mobo: $140 (no frills solid gigabyte or asus)
ram: $110 (no super overclocking ram - stick with 4GB for initial build to cut costs)
vid card: $160 solid bang-for-the-buck card like Radeion 5770
hard drive: $100 (big range here, but you relly dont need 69 Terrabytes)

Extras that you might already have: DVD drive ($30), Mouse ($30), Keyboard ($30), Windows 7 64bit ($65 if you cna find a friend that is a student), Monitor $200 (big range here)

So if you have some carry-over items from your existing computer you are looking at roughly $820 (maybe as low as $690 if your existing case and PSU will carry-over) Maybe as low as $590 if your HD is up to par.

If you have absolutley nothing and building from complete scratch, then roughly: $1200

Of course you could go even more value and cut corners on the Case, PSU, mobo, hard drive, mouse, keyboard and monitor and get that number down a couple of hundred more. You really shouldnt cut much more than I listed above on CPU, RAM, & Vid Card

Looking at how high these numbers are, versus what I'm seeing people post for pre-built systems, perhaps buying a pre-built and adding a video card is the best option. However, I suspect you won't find a cheap pre-built that will have an i5 750 in it, much less name brand motherboard or PSU, or quality RAM that can run at high frequencies and low timings.

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I just priced one out 3D monitor and Navida 3D kit included....for $1241.90

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#68 Jul 02 2010 at 1:43 PM Rating: Good
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From scratch, just rough numbers on a machine that could run FFXIV for normal gameplay (probably even playable enough on high settings):

Case: $50 (big range here but this is roughly in the middle)
PSU: $80 (decent quality bran around 500W if no sli or xfire needed)
CPU: $180 (i5 750 or AMD 965 black edition)
mobo: $140 (no frills solid gigabyte or asus)
ram: $110 (no super overclocking ram - stick with 4GB for initial build to cut costs)
vid card: $160 solid bang-for-the-buck card like Radeion 5770
hard drive: $100 (big range here, but you relly dont need 69 Terrabytes)

Extras that you might already have: DVD drive ($30), Mouse ($30), Keyboard ($30), Windows 7 64bit ($65 if you cna find a friend that is a student), Monitor $200 (big range here)


I'd say that for 100-130, you can still get an Athlon II/Phenom II x4, about $90-100 for motherboard, and $60 for HD. DVD-RW you can pick up for $20, so that should shave off $140-$170.
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I'd say that for 100-130, you can still get an Athlon II/Phenom II x4, about $90-100 for motherboard, and $60 for HD. DVD-RW you can pick up for $20, so that should shave off $140-$170.


Sure, but I wasn't going for basement bargain estimates - but rather mid-class tier with nice bang-for-the-buck punch. You can shave a couple of hundred, or add a couple of hundred, but I think the processors hovering around the equivalent of Phenom II 965 BE and the i5 750 hit that sweet spot. When you get below $100 on the mobo you end up with boards that lack what are seemingly "standard" features, like too few USB/SATA/PCIe slots, no surround sound, etc. I'm not sure about the $20 DVD drive, but I know for $25-$30 you can get a name brand drive. I figured most people would rather have a Sony DVD drive over a ACME drive and end up with 50% less coasters.

As this thread grows, perhaps we can come up with a best $500 build, a best $750 build, a best $1000 build and a best $1250 build. That would probably be useful to a lot of people.

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I need a tech savvy opinion. Will this system run FFXIV. I am thinking it should be fine but I am concerned with the video card. Thanks in advance.

Acer Aspire E380

OS: Windows Vista Home Premium
Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+ (2.30 GHz)
RAM: 2.00Gb (Have 4 GB installed but Vista will only recognize 2Gb)
Video Card: Radeon X800GT.

Also any suggestions on upgrade that can be made would be appreciated (upgrades that I can use the existing HDD and installed windows version). Very most I would want to spend on upgrades is around 300 USD.
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I'd say that for 100-130, you can still get an Athlon II/Phenom II x4, about $90-100 for motherboard, and $60 for HD. DVD-RW you can pick up for $20, so that should shave off $140-$170.


Sure, but I wasn't going for basement bargain estimates - but rather mid-class tier with nice bang-for-the-buck punch. You can shave a couple of hundred, or add a couple of hundred, but I think the processors hovering around the equivalent of Phenom II 965 BE and the i5 750 hit that sweet spot. When you get below $100 on the mobo you end up with boards that lack what are seemingly "standard" features, like too few USB/SATA/PCIe slots, no surround sound, etc. I'm not sure about the $20 DVD drive, but I know for $25-$30 you can get a name brand drive. I figured most people would rather have a Sony DVD drive over a ACME drive and end up with 50% less coasters.

As this thread grows, perhaps we can come up with a best $500 build, a best $750 build, a best $1000 build and a best $1250 build. That would probably be useful to a lot of people.



ASUS AM3 Motherboard Supports DDR3 800-1800 (4 slots) 16 GB Max, 6 onboard USB ports, gigabit ethernet, 7.1 audio onboard, $99

Sony DVD-RW Black, SATA, $25

Here's a Samsung for $21.99.

I could probably come up with a good $750 build or higher; I would probably have a hard time working on a $500 budget unless I can skimp on the case and I assume the user already has a monitor and the OS.

Like I've said before, the more parts you already have (Case, OS, HD, DVD), the more you can shave off the overall build. A $55 HD, $140 OS, $25 DVD, $50 case, and $190 monitor would be $460 alone. On a $500 budget, I'm -pretty- sure you're not going to fill in the rest for only $40.

Even if we only assume the user can come up with the OS and monitor, that knocks over $300 out of the equation. Without going into specific parts, I'd probably break a budget down like this:

$800 rig
$55 HD (745)
$20 DVD-RW (725)
$50 Case (675)
$90 Motherboard (585)
$100 Processor (485)
$110 RAM (375)
$85 PSU (290)
$150 GPU (140)
$140 OS

$1000 rig

$60 HD (940)
$25 DVD-RW (915)
$65 Case (850)
$120 Motherboard (730)
$160 Processor (570)
$120 RAM (450)
$110 PSU (340)
$200 GPU (140)
$140 OS

$1300 rig

$80 HD (1220)
$25 DVD-RW (1195)
$100 Case (1095)
$150 Motherboard (945)
$225 Processor (720)
$160 RAM (560)
$120 PSU (440)
$300 GPU (140)
$140 OS

I'm not saying this is the only way to break it down, obviously. But there's three different pricepoints to build rigs; all not counting a monitor. ($150-300ish)
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#72 Jul 02 2010 at 5:16 PM Rating: Good
EklmForever wrote:
I need a tech savvy opinion. Will this system run FFXIV. I am thinking it should be fine but I am concerned with the video card. Thanks in advance.

Acer Aspire E380

OS: Windows Vista Home Premium
Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+ (2.30 GHz)
RAM: 2.00Gb (Have 4 GB installed but Vista will only recognize 2Gb)
Video Card: Radeon X800GT.

Also any suggestions on upgrade that can be made would be appreciated (upgrades that I can use the existing HDD and installed windows version). Very most I would want to spend on upgrades is around 300 USD.


Your vid card is your biggest problem here. It's coming up on about 3 1/2 years old, and doesn't meet the min. requirements of 512 RAM (it has 256)

I can't speak much on Radeons, but a lot of folks here are saying the 57xx is a good card for a good price.

Your CPU meets the min requirements, but not by much. I'd imagine that, as it stands, XIV would be next to unplayable with that graphics card you currently have.
#73 Jul 02 2010 at 5:24 PM Rating: Good
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EklmForever wrote:
I need a tech savvy opinion. Will this system run FFXIV. I am thinking it should be fine but I am concerned with the video card. Thanks in advance.

Acer Aspire E380

OS: Windows Vista Home Premium
Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+ (2.30 GHz)
RAM: 2.00Gb (Have 4 GB installed but Vista will only recognize 2Gb)
Video Card: Radeon X800GT.

Also any suggestions on upgrade that can be made would be appreciated (upgrades that I can use the existing HDD and installed windows version). Very most I would want to spend on upgrades is around 300 USD.


Processor - strongly recommend a quad core, either Phenom II X4 or Core i5 (or better) I believe that processor is a socket AM2, so you may need to upgrade your motherboard to be compatible with the new processor as well.
Video card - in desperate need of an upgrade. Radeon 47XX/57XX or GeForce GTX 2XX/4XX are best.

The cost of upgrading your motherboard/processor could be done for as little as $180-230. The cost of upgrading your video card could be as little as $140-170.

If you absolutely -must- limit yourself to 300, the best I could suggest is $80 on a motherboard, 100 on an Athlon II X4, and 120 on a Radeon 5670. These upgrades would maybe get you a 2800-3200ish on the benchmark at 720p. (somewhat low)
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Osarion, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
EklmForever wrote:
I need a tech savvy opinion. Will this system run FFXIV. I am thinking it should be fine but I am concerned with the video card. Thanks in advance.

Acer Aspire E380

OS: Windows Vista Home Premium
Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+ (2.30 GHz)
RAM: 2.00Gb (Have 4 GB installed but Vista will only recognize 2Gb)
Video Card: Radeon X800GT.

Also any suggestions on upgrade that can be made would be appreciated (upgrades that I can use the existing HDD and installed windows version). Very most I would want to spend on upgrades is around 300 USD.


Your vid card is your biggest problem here. It's coming up on about 3 1/2 years old, and doesn't meet the min. requirements of 512 RAM (it has 256)

I can't speak much on Radeons, but a lot of folks here are saying the 57xx is a good card for a good price.

Your CPU meets the min requirements, but not by much. I'd imagine that, as it stands, XIV would be next to unplayable with that graphics card you currently have.


Yep. People need to keep in mind that the minimum requirements are "This is what you will need to install and play the game on tht lowest settings, and at a very low FPS with a lot of lag, but it will still technically "work".

I know I'm repeating myself, but if people spend money to build a system that matches the minimum specs, they will be extremely disappointed in 3 months.
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#75 Jul 02 2010 at 5:29 PM Rating: Good
Adding to what Mikhalia said a bit... if you absolutely refuse to spend more than 300 to upgrade your PC's major core components, well... the saying goes: "You get what you pay for". Don't expect much out of XIV with that small of an upgrade.
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Mikhalia wrote:

Processor - strongly recommend a quad core, either Phenom II X4 or Core i5 (or better) I believe that processor is a socket AM2, so you may need to upgrade your motherboard to be compatible with the new processor as well.
Video card - in desperate need of an upgrade. Radeon 47XX/57XX or GeForce GTX 2XX/4XX are best.

The cost of upgrading your motherboard/processor could be done for as little as $180-230. The cost of upgrading your video card could be as little as $140-170.

If you absolutely -must- limit yourself to 300, the best I could suggest is $80 on a motherboard, 100 on an Athlon II X4, and 120 on a Radeon 5670. These upgrades would maybe get you a 2800-3200ish on the benchmark at 720p. (somewhat low)


Would I be able to use my same Case and HDD with swapping out both the motherboard and processor. I have looked into it briefly before and have seen where there may be problems using the same HD with windows installed with swapping both out. Video card I assumed would need to be replaced. Here is more info if it helps:

Processor:
2.30 gigahertz AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core
256 kilobyte primary memory cache
1024 kilobyte secondary memory cache
64-bit ready
Multi-core (2 total)
Not hyper-threaded

Motherboard:
Board: Acer EM61SM/EM61PM
Bus Clock: 201 megahertz
BIOS: Phoenix Technologies, LTD R01-B3 02/07/2007

Drives:
312.73 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity

ATAPI DVD W DH16W1P ATA Device [CD-ROM drive]
RP5524B NPV472R SCSI CdRom Device [CD-ROM drive]

Generic- Compact Flash USB Device [Hard drive] -- drive 1
Generic- MS/MS-Pro USB Device [Hard drive] -- drive 4
Generic- SD/MMC USB Device [Hard drive] -- drive 3
Generic- SM/xD-Picture USB Device [Hard drive] -- drive 2
Hitachi HDT725032VLA SCSI Disk Device (320.07 GB) -- drive 0, SMART Status: Healthy

Osarion wrote:
Adding to what Mikhalia said a bit... if you absolutely refuse to spend more than 300 to upgrade your PC's major core components, well... the saying goes: "You get what you pay for". Don't expect much out of XIV with that small of an upgrade.


I agree, I set the bar fairly low because I was assuming that replacing the motherboard and processor would require me to purchase additional parts bringing the amount around the cost of a completely new system. I could add some to that amount (not much however in the next 2-3 months but will continue upgrading after that).

Again, thank you for all your assistance.

Edited, Jul 2nd 2010 7:45pm by EklmForever

Edited, Jul 2nd 2010 7:46pm by EklmForever
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Osarion, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Adding to what Mikhalia said a bit... if you absolutely refuse to spend more than 300 to upgrade your PC's major core components, well... the saying goes: "You get what you pay for". Don't expect much out of XIV with that small of an upgrade.


I understand having a budget and wanting to work within it, but if your budget is too low, it does tie hands.

If we were talking about Oblivion or Fallout, I could probably come up with a nice rig to run it on near max for $500ish (sans monitor/OS). FFXIV is probably more demanding than any other game currently available for PC that I'm aware of. It might as well be Crysis #2 in terms of "Oh my God, that's just insane". I'm not mincing words when I say that I wouldn't expect to run XIV on max settings for under $1500, and that's being somewhat generous. $800-1000 will probably net you average performance. The less you spend, the lower the performance you'll end up with.

I just don't want to see people spending money on something expecting a certain result and ending up with a bad result because they didn't spend enough.
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#78 Jul 02 2010 at 6:06 PM Rating: Good
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EklmForever wrote:
Would I be able to use my same Case and HDD with swapping out both the motherboard and processor. I have looked into it briefly before and have seen where there may be problems using the same HD with windows installed with swapping both out. Video card I assumed would need to be replaced. Here is more info if it helps:

Processor:
2.30 gigahertz AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core
256 kilobyte primary memory cache
1024 kilobyte secondary memory cache
64-bit ready
Multi-core (2 total)
Not hyper-threaded


Here's your processor. Passmark rates it at just under 1200. For comparison, this processor, rated at about 3400 (almost triple yours) nets me about 4000 on the benchmark with a 5770.

As far as replacing the motherboard and processor, it -is- possible. Sometimes it works better than other times though. Not gonna lie, sometimes you will end up having to reinstall. You shouldn't -have- to if you do it right, but sometimes it's unavoidable.

Also, that walkthrough is for XP, Vista may be slightly different.

EklmForever wrote:
Osarion wrote:
Adding to what Mikhalia said a bit... if you absolutely refuse to spend more than 300 to upgrade your PC's major core components, well... the saying goes: "You get what you pay for". Don't expect much out of XIV with that small of an upgrade.


I agree, I set the bar fairly low because I was assuming that replacing the motherboard and processor would require me to purchase additional parts bringing the amount around the cost of a completely new system. I could add some to that amount (not much however in the next 2-3 months but will continue upgrading after that).

Again, thank you for all your assistance.


As I said, your two big concerns are your processor/motherboard (both will need to be replaced simultaneously) and your video card. I can't say definitively that the game won't run at all if you only replace one and not the other, or that it's IMPOSSIBLE that only replacing one wouldn't allow you to run the game at the lowest quality... I just worry that if you didn't upgrade both, it may not work at all, and then you're stuck with a game you can't play (which everyone else is playing) as you find yourself in a rush to replace the rest. And I wouldn't want to see anyone in that situation.

I always consider "What could go wrong" before "What's the best case scenario", hence my concern. I don't want you to make a purchase with false confidence and be unhappy about it later.

As a side note, come to think of it, your RAM could factor into it as well. This motherboard would support an AM3 processor and DDR2 RAM (which is probably what you currently have if I had to guess); most AM3 boards support DDR3 only (which would mean you'd have to upgrade RAM, another $100ish, as well).

If you'd really rather just buy a new system instead of replacing parts, I gave this guy some advice on some retail systems. You'll pay more going this route, but if your thought process is "If it costs over X, I should just buy a new computer instead of replacing things", then I left that guy with some ideas.

If yor primary concern is instead "I want to keep as many parts as I have and replace only where needed" then your case/HD/optical/OS/monitor/mouse/keyboard are all fine.
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Thank you Mik and Osa, that gives me an idea of the direction I should take.

I am fairly sure I cannot replace my motherboard since there is no Windows disk for my computer (it never came with one). I may buy Windows 7 anyways and use that disk but if I don't it locks me into maybe just upgrading my CPU.


Edited, Jul 2nd 2010 8:37pm by EklmForever
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EklmForever wrote:
Thank you Mik, that gives me an idea of the direction I should take.

I am fairly sure I cannot replace my motherboard since there is no Windows disk for my computer (it never came with one). I may buy Windows 7 anyways and use that disk but if I don't it locks me into maybe just upgrading my CPU.

Edited, Jul 2nd 2010 8:27pm by EklmForever


This is purely an afterthought, but if your system didn't come with a disk, try looking under the Start Menu > Programs > Accessories... A lot of computers have a program that will allow you to burn yourself a copy of the installation disk onto your own DVD-R.

As to whether you want to save money and replace a bunch of stuff or spend a little extra and just buy a premade retail system... totally your call.

Glad I could help you though :)
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I am prepared to wait for the ps3 release, but my brother is determined to build a PC and I told him that I would help him. Now I am computer savvy and its currently my major in college but I figured I would ask for further confirmation whether or not these will allow him to play FFXIV.

The important parts are...

[b]Intel Core2 Duo E7500 Wolfdale 2.93GHz 3MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor

HIS H467QS1GH Radeon HD 4670 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card


I'd have serious reservations about the video card. My 4650 w/512 MB couldn't get past 885 (low res) on a similar computer.
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I'm something of a technotard, so I don't really know what is what. I basically took what I read so far here and strolled on over to HP and built a PC with the below included. The site says it normally costs $1089, but due to "instant rebates" is $839. The lesser price being the absolute edge of my budget.
With all that in mind, I have two pointed questions:

1) How would this do, bearing in mind I have no problem running the game on average settings?

2) How much could the price change on this in three months? I'm in no rush to make a purchase and would hate to buy a machine three months early if I could wait and save down the line.


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Operating system Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-750 quad-core processor [2.66GHz, 1MB L2 + 8MB shared L3 cache]
Memory FREE UPGRADE! 6GB DDR3-1333MHz SDRAM [3 DIMMs] from 4GB
Hard drive FREE UPGRADE! 640GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive from 500GB
Graphics card 1GB ATI Radeon HD 5570 [DVI,HDMI, DP, VGA adapter]
#83 Jul 02 2010 at 7:32 PM Rating: Good
Quick question.


My current MoBo has a PCI Express x16 video slot. I notice most of the newer cards these days are saying PCI Express 2.0 x16

Would I be able to slap the 2.0 cards into my video slot?

I'm hoping I can upgrade my GPU first, then later on put together a new MoBo/CPU/RAM package.

Edited, Jul 2nd 2010 6:33pm by Osarion
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Osarion, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Quick question.


My current MoBo has a PCI Express x16 video slot. I notice most of the newer cards these days are saying PCI Express 2.0 x16

Would I be able to slap the 2.0 cards into my video slot?

I'm hoping I can upgrade my GPU first, then later on put together a new MoBo/CPU/RAM package.

Edited, Jul 2nd 2010 6:33pm by Osarion


They're backwards compatible, so yes. If your motherboard doesn't support 2.0, it will just run at 1.0 speeds, just plike plugging a USB 2.0 device into a USB 1 slot.

The only things that aren't compatible are x16 and x1/x4/x8. It would be too big.

Sephrick wrote:
I'm something of a technotard, so I don't really know what is what. I basically took what I read so far here and strolled on over to HP and built a PC with the below included. The site says it normally costs $1089, but due to "instant rebates" is $839. The lesser price being the absolute edge of my budget.
With all that in mind, I have two pointed questions:

1) How would this do, bearing in mind I have no problem running the game on average settings?

2) How much could the price change on this in three months? I'm in no rush to make a purchase and would hate to buy a machine three months early if I could wait and save down the line.


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Operating system Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-750 quad-core processor [2.66GHz, 1MB L2 + 8MB shared L3 cache]
Memory FREE UPGRADE! 6GB DDR3-1333MHz SDRAM [3 DIMMs] from 4GB
Hard drive FREE UPGRADE! 640GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive from 500GB
Graphics card 1GB ATI Radeon HD 5570 [DVI,HDMI, DP, VGA adapter]


If you could upgrade the 5570 to a 5770 or a GTX in the customization options, do it. It will increase the price, but will be worth it.

I doubt the price would change too much in three months. If anything, it wouldn't go -up-. At worst it would be the same. At best, it -could- do down but I can't predict the future.
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#85 Jul 02 2010 at 7:43 PM Rating: Good
Thanks, Mikhalia Smiley: grin
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Lot of great information & community feedback. I hope the mods will sticky this thread. There is already all sorts of great advice, but I'll add some that I thought was missing.

* Always buy a high quality wattage power supply that you can afford. It might stretch the overall price up higher for your new gaming rig, but trust me a sketchy power supply can cause all sorts of woes.

* Try to keep away from "built in" devices like video, audio and network. You don't need to go overboard with those so called gaming network card. But I found over the years it's better not to use motherboards with all these extras. This also doesn't mean you have to toss your motherboard. You can disable these built-in devices from within the BIOS as you can afford to purchase a replacement.

So here is a question for all the CPU experts in this forum. I was pondering if I should upgrade my Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 cpu in anticipation for the epic FF. My motherboard is an ASUS P5N-D so since it's a socket 775, I should be able to swap in a Intel Core 2 Quad cpu right? Something between a Q9300 - Q9550? Also pickup a beefier cooler.
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If you could upgrade the 5570 to a 5770 or a GTX in the customization options, do it. It will increase the price, but will be worth it.



Thanks for the quick response ^^b

Unfortunetly the best offered for this build is a 1.5 GB GeForce GT 230. In order to have the 5770 as an option I'd have to go with an $1100 machine.
#88 Jul 02 2010 at 8:25 PM Rating: Decent
I sure could use some help.

Windows Vista
Intel Pentium Dual CPU e2200 @ 2.20GHz
2026 RAM
DirectX 11

and the Video Card is:
Intel G33/G31 (stock)

Is it possible to put a video card into this and make it work?
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I'm in the process of searching for a new computer, but I'm not all that tech savvy myself. I was looking a laptop from Dell with the following specs:

CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-720QM Quad Core Processor 1.6GHz (2.8GHz Turbo Mode, 6MB Cache)

14.0” High Definition (720p) LED Display with TrueLife™ and Camera

8X Slot Load CD/DVD Burner (Dual Layer DVD+/-R Drive)

4GB1 Shared Dual Channel DDR3 at 1066MHz

500GB2 SATA Hard Drive (7200RPM)

Video Card: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5450 1GB3


Is this computer a good buy for FFXIV or should I aim for something better? Its within my budget, but I can't go much higher.

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Lot of great information & community feedback. I hope the mods will sticky this thread. There is already all sorts of great advice, but I'll add some that I thought was missing.

* Always buy a high quality wattage power supply that you can afford. It might stretch the overall price up higher for your new gaming rig, but trust me a sketchy power supply can cause all sorts of woes.

* Try to keep away from "built in" devices like video, audio and network. You don't need to go overboard with those so called gaming network card. But I found over the years it's better not to use motherboards with all these extras. This also doesn't mean you have to toss your motherboard. You can disable these built-in devices from within the BIOS as you can afford to purchase a replacement.

So here is a question for all the CPU experts in this forum. I was pondering if I should upgrade my Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 cpu in anticipation for the epic FF. My motherboard is an ASUS P5N-D so since it's a socket 775, I should be able to swap in a Intel Core 2 Quad cpu right? Something between a Q9300 - Q9550? Also pickup a beefier cooler.


Integrated video is terribad for gaming. Integrated audio will be irrelevant to anyone who isn't a dedicated audiophobe. I'm not going to talk someone out of buying a dedicated sound card if they want to, but it's not a mandatory expense in terms of performance. You'll only notice a difference with a high end 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound system. If you're sticking with a pair of 20-35 dollar 2.0 or 2.1 speakers, a dedicated sound card is a waste. Also, most motherboards have onboard gigabit ethernet. If your router is only 10/100, then this won't be relevant to anything. If your whole network is gigabit and you do a lot of local file transfers (let's say you have a media center computer or a file server) then a dedicated NIC -might- be worth it, but this is another situation where "If you have to ask, you probably don't need it."

Regarding your CPU, definitely upgrade it to Quad core. Stock cooler is usually fine if you don't plan to overclock. If you're going to be overclocking to the point that you -need- an aftermarket cooler, you probably don't need to ask someone else for advice :)

Smashingtungsten wrote:
I sure could use some help.

Windows Vista
Intel Pentium Dual CPU e2200 @ 2.20GHz
2026 RAM
DirectX 11

and the Video Card is:
Intel G33/G31 (stock)

Is it possible to put a video card into this and make it work?


A new video card, a new processor, and probably more (2 GB more for a total of 4 GB) RAM.

Quad core (or hexacore) processor and a GeForce GTX 2xx/4xx or Radeon 57xx/58xx if you want to be sure that your system will run the game.

Twinblake wrote:
I'm in the process of searching for a new computer, but I'm not all that tech savvy myself. I was looking a laptop from Dell with the following specs:

CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-720QM Quad Core Processor 1.6GHz (2.8GHz Turbo Mode, 6MB Cache)

14.0” High Definition (720p) LED Display with TrueLife™ and Camera

8X Slot Load CD/DVD Burner (Dual Layer DVD+/-R Drive)

4GB1 Shared Dual Channel DDR3 at 1066MHz

500GB2 SATA Hard Drive (7200RPM)

Video Card: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5450 1GB3


Is this computer a good buy for FFXIV or should I aim for something better? Its within my budget, but I can't go much higher.


Processor/RAM is fine, but the mobility Radeon 5450 is terribad. Laptop + Gaming Video Card + Inexpensive = does not compute. Fair warning.

Passmark score for Mobility radeon 5450 is 324. I wouldn't suggest anything lower than 1100-1200 MINIMUM, and I'd recommend 1400-1500 or higher. For a laptop, I can't see myself recommending anything weaker than a mobility Radeon 4850/4870/5870. They will cost a more money and will likely send you over a planned budget, but anything rated under 1000 on that list is likely to be busting its *** just to play the game at the lowest settings, if at all.

I know you probably didn't want to hear that, but I feel it's only fair to warn you before you decide where to spend your money. A -good- gaming laptop -will- be expensive. If price is a sticking point, consider whether you would rather go with a desktop (where you can afford to get better performance) or whether minimum settings at a low FPS is worth saving money to keep the game portable.
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#91 Jul 02 2010 at 9:43 PM Rating: Decent
Thank you Mikhalia.

I won't be able to afford a new processor or extra RAM I'm afraid. If the video card can't do the trick alone then I'll be waiting. I suppose I'll give a 9800 a try and return it if it doesn't fly.
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Thank you Mikhalia.

I won't be able to afford a new processor or extra RAM I'm afraid. If the video card can't do the trick alone then I'll be waiting. I suppose I'll give a 9800 a try and return it if it doesn't fly.


This is your processor. Passmark rank is a 1200.

Now comparatively, these two systems are from the main benchmark thread.

 
1505	2511	XP Home	Core 2 Duo 2.53			ATI 4850	2 GB  
1600	1600	7x64 HP	AMD Phenom 9500 x4 2.2		ATI 5700	4 GB DDR2


Also, keep this in mind:

[1500-1999] Low Performance
Capable of running the game, but will experience considerable slowdown. Adjusting settings is unlikely to improve performance.
[Under 1500] Insufficient Performance
Does not meet specifications for running the game.

The Core 2 Duo 2.53 passmark score is 1913
The Phenom 9500 x4 2.2 passmark score is 2293

These systems, according to the benchmark, can -just barely- run the game on the worst possible settings. The 4850 and 5700 are good video cards, so that's not what is holding them back; the CPUs are. And both are significantly higher than yours.

Not trying to be brash, but you should know that upgrading your video and leaving your CPU alone will not do much, if anything. I know you probably don't want to hear that, but it's not worth spending the money on upgrading one part if you won't eventually upgrade the other before September.
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So I just finished running the Benchmark test and was rather disappointed in my rig. Granted I can at least play at fairly high settings @ 720p. I built this Quad core just over a year ago when their prices dropped thanks to the i7 coming out.

I was hoping to get some recommendations on some Ram & Video card choices. Honestly, I'll be content to get my benchmark numbers in the 6-7k range @ 1080p. Could I hit these numbers with maybe a second HD 4800 card or would it take that and some better RAM?

Below are my system specs as they stand now, any suggestion would be welcome.


Case: COOLER MASTER ATCS 840 (Runs plenty Cool & Quiet)
P/S: CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W
OS: Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit on a 150gig Raptor
Mobo: GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P
CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 Yorkfield 2.83GHz O/C @ 3.4GHz
Ram: 8 gig of G.Skill PC-6400 (It was on sale & my budget was running low...) Just ran a Mild O/C on this and only added about 100pts @720p taking it to 4178.
Video: SAPPHIRE Vapor-X Radeon HD 4870 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 Also O/C Core 780MHz~Mem 1090MHz
Display: 38" Samsung B650 series (Only monitor)
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#94 Jul 03 2010 at 12:21 AM Rating: Good
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Kyoshindi wrote:
So I just finished running the Benchmark test and was rather disappointed in my rig. Granted I can at least play at fairly high settings @ 720p. I built this Quad core just over a year ago when their prices dropped thanks to the i7 coming out.

I was hoping to get some recommendations on some Ram & Video card choices. Honestly, I'll be content to get my benchmark numbers in the 6-7k range @ 1080p. Could I hit these numbers with maybe a second HD 4800 card or would it take that and some better RAM?

Below are my system specs as they stand now, any suggestion would be welcome.


Case: COOLER MASTER ATCS 840 (Runs plenty Cool & Quiet)
P/S: CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W
OS: Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit on a 150gig Raptor
Mobo: GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P
CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 Yorkfield 2.83GHz O/C @ 3.4GHz
Ram: 8 gig of G.Skill PC-6400 (It was on sale & my budget was running low...) Just ran a Mild O/C on this and only added about 100pts @720p taking it to 4178.
Video: SAPPHIRE Vapor-X Radeon HD 4870 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 Also O/C Core 780MHz~Mem 1090MHz
Display: 38" Samsung B650 series (Only monitor)


It would take an overclocked Core i7 Extreme and at least an overclocked 5970/Fermi, if not two of them in SLI/Crossfire to get over 5000 on high. I know you say you'll be content to hit 6000-7000 on high, but to be honest, I'm not sure if anyone even -has-, with -any- rig currently available. Could be wrong, but if that's your goal, it's going to cost you a LOT of money to do it.

You're going to need at least a Core i7 and a GTX 4XX or Radeon 58XX/59XX to get a notable improvement in performance.

Edited, Jul 3rd 2010 2:22am by Mikhalia
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#95 Jul 03 2010 at 12:29 AM Rating: Decent
Ah, thanks again. That is exactly what I needed to know. You've clearly spent a good deal of time helping everyone understand how their systems stack up. Well done.

Cheers!
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I was afraid of that, I had a feeling too. I just had to hear it for it sink in, thanks.

I had planned on saving up and upgrading to an i7 next fall, but that seems a bit much now. Going by what your saying would 4-5k be more manageable pushing my current rig to it's limit? I have thought about upgrading to i7, but to be honest that would have to come out of my new 5.0 Stang fund.

Sadly, as much as I enjoy gaming and keeping current on tech, the quarter mile runs get the bigger slice of the pie.
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I was afraid of that, I had a feeling too. I just had to hear it for it sink in, thanks.

I had planned on saving up and upgrading to an i7 next fall, but that seems a bit much now. Going by what your saying would 4-5k be more manageable pushing my current rig to it's limit? I have thought about upgrading to i7, but to be honest that would have to come out of my new 5.0 Stang fund.

Sadly, as much as I enjoy gaming and keeping current on tech, the quarter mile runs get the bigger slice of the pie.


Well, a Core i5 Quad and a 5870 would give a slight performance, so if you don't mind shelling out a couple hundred for a moderate boost, you could. But if you have been considering i7, I would just wait and get that. I personally don't see a point in getting an i5 if you're planning to get an i7 anyway, but don't let me talk you out of spending money if you really want to :) Ditto for the 5870; you'd need at least that to take a step up, and if you're going to step up from where you are, you might as well just go all the way and get a 5970 or Fermi (or wait till the next revision till the prices on these go down and new cards come out and make your decision then).

Your system should be more than ample; any upgrades to it are fluff.

Again, I'm not going to talk you out of spending money if you really want to, but you're at the point where you have only two steps up to go: A good bid of money for a little more performance, and a LOT of money for the best performance.

And if you're gonna upgrade; ****, go for the gold.

Edited, Jul 3rd 2010 3:52am by Mikhalia
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Hey guys, Question: In building my PC I have decided not to buy a monitor and just go with my 56" Sony Bravia HDTV. Now I asked in another topic that if there may be any unforseen (by me) problems if I choose this route and I got a solid no. But now, googling some stuff regarding building a new PC, I come across this response to someone buying a 24" monitor with resolution 1920 X 1200:

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Are you sure you want a 1920x1200 monitor if you're going to be gaming? Driving a monitor at that high a resolution takes lots of oomph, and running LCD monitors at other than their native resolution results in a big quality hit.


Now my question is if that monitor takes a lot of "oomph" would my TV hold? I know I sound like such a noob, that's because I am lol - This is the build I'm going with so far:

CPU - AMD Athlon II x4 (2.8 GHz)
GPU - Radeon 5770
RAM - 4 GB (2 x2GB)
PSU - 650W - 700W (haven't decided yet)
etc. etc.

Any downsides?

EDIT: Also wondering how do you overclock a CPU? is it possible with the Athlon x4? and wth is a heatsink/thermal adhesive?? thank ya.

Edited, Jul 3rd 2010 8:14am by SolidMack
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Regarding your CPU, definitely upgrade it to Quad core. Stock cooler is usually fine if you don't plan to overclock. If you're going to be overclocking to the point that you -need- an aftermarket cooler, you probably don't need to ask someone else for advice :)


I dislike overclocking. I've been noticing a lot of OEM Quad Core deals out there, but none of them come with the stock cooling. Will the Dual Core's stock cooler fit with the Quad Core? Or should I keep shopping around for a Quad that comes with it's own cooling?

Edited, Jul 3rd 2010 8:54am by rubina
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Thanks for the help, Mikhalia. I'll probably try and save up more money for the laptop then, I'm glad I didn't go ahead and buy it.
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Sephrick wrote:

I'm something of a technotard, so I don't really know what is what. I basically took what I read so far here and strolled on over to HP and built a PC with the below included. The site says it normally costs $1089, but due to "instant rebates" is $839. The lesser price being the absolute edge of my budget.
With all that in mind, I have two pointed questions:

1) How would this do, bearing in mind I have no problem running the game on average settings?

2) How much could the price change on this in three months? I'm in no rush to make a purchase and would hate to buy a machine three months early if I could wait and save down the line.


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Operating system Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-750 quad-core processor [2.66GHz, 1MB L2 + 8MB shared L3 cache]
Memory FREE UPGRADE! 6GB DDR3-1333MHz SDRAM [3 DIMMs] from 4GB
Hard drive FREE UPGRADE! 640GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive from 500GB
Graphics card 1GB ATI Radeon HD 5570 [DVI,HDMI, DP, VGA adapter]



If you could upgrade the 5570 to a 5770 or a GTX in the customization options, do it. It will increase the price, but will be worth it.

I doubt the price would change too much in three months. If anything, it wouldn't go -up-. At worst it would be the same. At best, it -could- do down but I can't predict the future.



Sorry to keep bugging, but this is the first I've come across knowledgeable people. I did a little more shopping and came across a machine online at Best Buy for $899 which I'd be willing to stretch for that has:

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Intel Core i5 3.2 GHz
8GB Ram DDR3
GeForce GT220 1024 MB (dedicated)
1TB HDD SATA 7200 RPM


Decent purchase or no?
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