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#952 Aug 19 2010 at 10:50 PM Rating: Decent
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AhiraSonofEnan wrote:
Just curiosity, would a mid-tower be able to fit the two 5870's?

In other notes, due to my ignorance I can't find a CPU cooler, or actually, I don't know what CPU cooler to use for Phenom II X4 965 3.4 GHZ OC. Anyone one has any suggestions? keeping in mind a reasonable price.


Depends on which case.

"Reasonable price" to you might not be reasonable to me, and vice versa. You can choose from these:

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#953 Aug 20 2010 at 2:18 AM Rating: Decent
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I was going to get this (Motherboard + 4Gb RAM combo - $135) Mobo + Memory combo deal but after I got paid (12 this morning) it was no longer available. I went and looked around but dont see any near this good (it was around a $47 savings...). Im new to newegg and obviously suck at searching for combo deals...
How do you all find good deals and why dont they all say when they will expire (some do but some don't).
What I want in my tower that Im still trying to make is

Phenom II X4 955
4GB ram
600+watt PSU
a decent motherboard that can hold at least DDR3 1333
and of course 460 graphics card

If anyone has free time and can find good deals on there (which I apparently suck at) I would be extremely grateful.

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I was going to get this (Motherboard + 4Gb RAM combo - $135) Mobo + Memory combo deal but after I got paid (12 this morning) it was no longer available. I went and looked around but dont see any near this good (it was around a $47 savings...). Im new to newegg and obviously suck at searching for combo deals...
How do you all find good deals and why dont they all say when they will expire (some do but some don't).
What I want in my tower that Im still trying to make is

Phenom II X4 955
4GB ram
600+watt PSU
a decent motherboard that can hold at least DDR3 1333
and of course 460 graphics card

If anyone has free time and can find good deals on there (which I apparently suck at) I would be extremely grateful.


PSU $80
CPU+RAM $230
GPU+Mobo $240
Total = $590 - $40 combo discount - $20 mail in rebate
Grand total = $530

Edit: Oh, didn't see you wanted the 460 instead of the 5770. -_-

Here's a 460 + PSU combo that has -$30 combo discount plus another $20 mail in rebate, which comes down to be only $220 for the combo. It's a great deal.

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#955 Aug 20 2010 at 1:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Hello,
I am not to concerned about the gameplay but as far as the benchmark goes I am not seeing the same results as others. My benchmark results seem low.

3566 on high
AMD 955 3.4x4
GTX 470
4 GB ram 1333 DDR3 at 7-7-7-20
MSI NF750-G55 AM3

Any advice on if this sounds about right>?

Thank you kindly!
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Hello,
I am not to concerned about the gameplay but as far as the benchmark goes I am not seeing the same results as others. My benchmark results seem low.

3566 on high
AMD 955 3.4x4
GTX 470
4 GB ram 1333 DDR3 at 7-7-7-20
MSI NF750-G55 AM3

Any advice on if this sounds about right>?

Thank you kindly!


Sounds about right.
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Thanks for quick response!
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I'm not sure if laptop advice fits onto this thread but I would like to buy a laptop rather than build (or have my brother build) a new computer. A laptop seems a better idea for me because of college next year. But I'm very confused about which laptop to buy after reading peoples benchmark scores... I need some advice please

My brother suggested this laptop: Toshiba Satellite L645D-S4036 LED TruBrite 14-Inch Laptop
-1.8 GHz AMD Phenom II P820 triple-core processor
-4 GB DDR3 memory
-320 GB SATA hard drive, DVD SuperMulti drive supporting 11 formats
-14-inch widescreen HD TruBrite LED-Backlit display, ATI Radeon HD 4250 graphics card
-Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium, 3.8 hours of battery life
-Graphics RAM: 1917.0 MB

My main concern is, after reading several benchmark scores from better sounding computers, that this laptop won't cut it... (and that the screen is small).

Any advice or suggestions on better laptops within a moderate price range would be great too.
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-14-inch widescreen HD TruBrite LED-Backlit display, ATI Radeon HD 4250 graphics card
Not even close. Bottom end of the mobility 4xxx series Radeon HD cards? No chance.

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Any advice or suggestions on better laptops within a moderate price range would be great too.
You need to spend more on a laptop to be able to run the game adequately. There's really no good way about it. Laptops just aren't as strong as their desktop counterparts. It's hard to match the power in a lightweight, mobile package as you'd get in a full-sized desktop pc. Expect to pay for a high-end laptop to be able to play FFXIV well. You can build a desktop for less than half the price and get equal or better performance, I'd bet.

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so now what do i do? i built my computer last night and today, felt great, was the first time i have built one and was having fun... then i plugged it in, turned it on and nothing.

my motherboard is the ASUS M4A89GTD, and when i turn on the computer only the red light for the core unlocker and the turbo key, otherwise no beep no other lights, no fans working. i try to turn on the power switch for the case (cooler master 690) but nothing happens. i checked all the power cords and they are plugged in, unplugged the video card and the ram and plugged them back in.

i don't think it is the power supply because those two lights are coming on on the MB, but looking for where to go next. could it be the case? is it not starting because it isn't recognizing my keyboard (it is wireless)?
any help would be great. thanks.
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I had recently bought a motherboard very similar to that one from newegg. It was the ASUS M4A87TD. Mine didn't do anything when I pressed the power button either. It turns out that I had received it DOA. Also, a problem that has been mentioned in several of the reviews of the mobo I chose was that it was AM3 ready, but you still had to do a BIOS flash for it to recognize a x6 processor. What processor are you using? You may have to update the BIOS before it will do anything more. Mine wouldn't even post, so mine was a lost cause from the very beginning.

Also, I finally got my new computer put together and I'm somewhat disappointed at its benchmark score. I've seen similar builds as mine get scores of over 5k and mine was only 4k. My current build is:

windows xp 32 bit
1090T x6 Black edition
4GB RAM G Skill 1600 DDR3
Radeon 5870 2GB
Gigabyte 770TA-UD3 motherboard

It's odd to see other builds with processors and graphics cards that aren't as powerful get higher scores than mine did. Is this close to what I might expect from this? Any suggestions on how to make it better? How much of a difference will windows 7 64 bit make? I'm going to try using an upgrade disc this weekend so I can go to windows 7 64 bit.

Low = 4000
High = somewhere around 3900

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It happened to me a few days ago after I finished putting everything together. In my case, lights turn on, fans turn on....no bip nothing. I was staring at the thing and couldn't for the life of me figured out what happened. After 15mins or swaping out parts and stuff...I finally found out I forgot to plug in one of the 12v to the board :P
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After fiddling with the cpu cooler for the n-th time. I finally got the thermal crap on nicely and it now idles at mid-high 40s at 3.5G (i7-930). Ran benchmark and scored 5734 at 720p. Kinda what I expected...would be nicer if I can hit 6000 but I might need to OC it to 4G...that is going to be VERY warm :)
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Windows 32 bit will see all 4 gigs of RAM but only be able to use 3 of it. So your system is, as odd as this might sound, is bottle necked but a lack of RAM.


Edited, Aug 21st 2010 2:08am by BunnyFufinator
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After fiddling with the cpu cooler for the n-th time. I finally got the thermal crap on nicely and it now idles at mid-high 40s at 3.5G (i7-930). Ran benchmark and scored 5734 at 720p. Kinda what I expected...would be nicer if I can hit 6000 but I might need to OC it to 4G...that is going to be VERY warm :)


Told you. :)
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Windows 32 bit will see all 4 gigs of RAM but only be able to use 3 of it. So your system is, as odd as this might sound, is bottle necked but a lack of RAM.


No. The game doesn't use anywhere near that much ram.
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hey guys. i need a new system, tahts for sure. Score was 900 on high. taht su...

so, this is my idea:

CPU
AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Hexa-Core (6x 3.20GHz)Â 9MB, 45Nm, Thuban 125Watt, Turbo Core

CPU cooler
Watercooling Corsair H50

RAM
Kingston HyperX DDR3 8,0GB PC3-12800 (4x 2GB) 1600MHz Intel XMP CL8 (8-8-8-24), 1.65V

MotherBoard
ASUS Crosshair IV Formula

and now the Graphic Card. i cant decide.
GTX480
ATI 5870
or the new Asus Matrix ATI 5870 2GB

waht wil be the best thing? maybee 2x GTX480 SLI? or is only one enough?
or 2x 5870?
or 1x Asus Matrix 5870?

i hear that the new Asus Matrix 5870 is little bit bader/slower then the GTX 480.

i it worth to put 2x GTX 480 in? or is taht "to much"?


ps. sorry for my bad english^^
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Hey everyone, I've been lurking around this forum and specifically this thread for a while now. I'm planning on doing some big upgrades to my rig for FFXIV and am looking for a little advice. I'll give you my current specs and planned upgrades before I ask any questions.

MB: ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe --> ASUS M4N98TD EVO

CPU: AMD Athlon X2 64 4000+ @ 2.1GHz --> AMD Phenom II X4 955 BE @ 3.2GHz

RAM: 2GB CORSAIR XMS2 DDR2 800 --> 4GB G.SKILL Ripjaws DDR3 1333

GPU: EVGA GeForce 9600GT --> EVGA GeForce GTX 460 (Still deciding between 768MB and 1GB versions)

Current benchmark on low: ~1300

Anyways, here's my situation. I don't see myself being able to upgrade more than the video card before the release date because the mobo, CPU, and RAM all need to be upgraded together since CPU and RAM are incompatible with my current MB and cash isn't exactly pouring in at the moment. What I would like to know is if the game will even be playable with just a video card upgrade to my current system. I am willing to OC my current CPU a bit in order to play with even a little better performance or to even be able to run the game if it comes to that. If anyone can give me some insight on this subject I would appreciate it. Projected benchmark scores with the 460 in would be even more appreciated.

Also if anyone can help me decide between the two versions of the 460 that would be great. I have read that playing at lower resolutions the 1GB version doesn't really increase performance too much and I never plan on playing above 1680 x 1050 so I am leaning towards the 768MB version currently. I also plan on getting another one in the future for SLI.

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Wellp. I scored 2.85k on both high and low. Actually suprised I got so low. Framerate seems pretty fine though, even with everything max. Sometimes drop to 18fps, but it's usually 40-75. Not going to upgrade my CPU because I'm moving to a uni dorm in a couple weeks.

(CPU1) Intel® Xeon® CPU E3110 @ 3.00GHz @ 3000MHz (Same cpu as e8400, but with lower voltage)
(MOBO)DFI Inc. LP LT P35 T2R
(RAM) 4GB
(HDDs) 1.89TB
(VGA1) NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 (1.5GB) @ 1920x1080x32, 60Hz
(OS) Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit


OC'd my CPU to 3.3 just by cranking my fsb from 333x9 to 367x9 and now I'm getting 3.3k on both, haha. I'd try 3.6, but that's pushing it on this stock cooler. This cpu can go above 4 with the right cooler.

Edited, Aug 21st 2010 11:17am by csphobos
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@Psydrakoon
One GTX 480 or one HD 5870 will probably allow you to play the game on high res + high settings.
Two GTX 480s or two HD 5870s will probably allow you to play the game on very high res + max settings.
Your choice.

@Wolfieguy
Download AMD Overdrive and MSI Afterburner and turn them on to monitor your CPU/GPU usage while running the game (or benchmark). If your GPU is being used 99% most of the time while your CPU is being used less than that, that means your GPU is holding you back, thus upgrading just the GPU right now will improve your performance. On the other hand, if your CPU usage is about 99% most of the time while your GPU usage is less than that, that means you won't benefit by upgrading just the video card (well, maybe a little benefit).

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After a bit more fiddling, it seems that it is the GTX470 is holding me back :) So I went ahead and OCed it. Now with core speed of 725MHz and processor at 1450MHz. Bench mark on 720p is now 6100 and 1080p is 3800. Need to find way to boost 1080 to 4k!

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Hey everyone, I've been lurking around this forum and specifically this thread for a while now. I'm planning on doing some big upgrades to my rig for FFXIV and am looking for a little advice. I'll give you my current specs and planned upgrades before I ask any questions.

MB: ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe --> ASUS M4N98TD EVO

CPU: AMD Athlon X2 64 4000+ @ 2.1GHz --> AMD Phenom II X4 955 BE @ 3.2GHz

RAM: 2GB CORSAIR XMS2 DDR2 800 --> 4GB G.SKILL Ripjaws DDR3 1333

GPU: EVGA GeForce 9600GT --> EVGA GeForce GTX 460 (Still deciding between 768MB and 1GB versions)

Current benchmark on low: ~1300


Get the 1GB GTX460 $20 difference. With the upgrade expect score on 720p to be 4k-ish.
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Thanks for your ideas and advice. I think im going to hold off a while yet on the graphics card and hope it goes down a little bit in price :D
Yes I am that cheap, no i dont feel bad about it heh

I was looking at getting this;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.470151
and this,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.479523

(*edit->The reason I went for these parts over some others is becase they all seem to have good reviews)
That puts my PSU + Mobo + Mem + CPU together @ about $360 (+200 for 460 would put me at about 560 for the whole build (everything else recycled)
Only thing is, im not %100 everything is compatable and such and thats where you all come in. Rip it apart! From my inexperienced eyes it looks like it will all work well together and such but I know you all have much better eye for flaws.

Im thinking of ordering today/tomorrow so any advice would be great.
would this give me decent scores on low? would i be better off with a 5770 or would my already craptastic build plummit even further down the number hole. lol

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I'm in the same situation as lots of people on these forums apparently. Scored a godawful 750~ on high and 2500 on low, so something's gotta change.

Current specs:
OS: Windows XP
CPU: Intel core2 6300 @ 1.86ghz
RAM: 4 GB
Graphics Card: Nvidia GeForce 9800 GT
Mobo: ASUS P5N32-SLI-SE-DX


Pretty sure the processor's the problem as it's probably not meeting min reqs. I'm looking to get something for less than 200$ if possible, but willing to pay a bit more if anything below 200$ would not even make a difference.

Thanks for any help you can provide.

Great thread by the way :)
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Thanks for the advice. I downloaded both but I cannot run AMD Overdrive because my board does not use the AMD 700 series chipset. Can you recommend any other programs that I can use to test CPU usage?
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shadowofclarence wrote:

I was looking at getting this;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.470151
and this,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.479523

Only thing is, im not %100 everything is compatable and such and thats where you all come in. Rip it apart!


They're compatible. Go for it.
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Current specs:
OS: Windows XP
CPU: Intel core2 6300 @ 1.86ghz
RAM: 4 GB
Graphics Card: Nvidia GeForce 9800 GT
Mobo: ASUS P5N32-SLI-SE-DX

Pretty sure the processor's the problem as it's probably not meeting min reqs. I'm looking to get something for less than 200$ if possible, but willing to pay a bit more if anything below 200$ would not even make a difference.


Both your CPU and GPU are problematic. =/
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Thanks for the advice. I downloaded both but I cannot run AMD Overdrive because my board does not use the AMD 700 series chipset. Can you recommend any other programs that I can use to test CPU usage?


Task Manager :D

But it doesn't give you all the other nifty details. Try googling for a CPU monitoring program. RealTemp is one of them, but the only one I've used is AOD.
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Fredwidget wrote:

I'm in the same situation as lots of people on these forums apparently. Scored a godawful 750~ on high and 2500 on low, so something's gotta change.

Current specs:
OS: Windows XP
CPU: Intel core2 6300 @ 1.86ghz
RAM: 4 GB
Graphics Card: Nvidia GeForce 9800 GT
Mobo: ASUS P5N32-SLI-SE-DX


Pretty sure the processor's the problem as it's probably not meeting min reqs. I'm looking to get something for less than 200$ if possible, but willing to pay a bit more if anything below 200$ would not even make a difference.

Thanks for any help you can provide.

Great thread by the way :)


Did you sneak into my garage and took the PC I just replaced?

Unfortunately, your option is rather limited. I assume your CPU is a core2 duo e6300, which has the LGA 775 socket. That really limited your choice of CPU...you can get a core 2 quad Q9300 ($230), but it just doesn't measure up to the current i7 chip. I suppose you can OC it like mad...assuming your motherboard lets you do it. As for the video card, GTX460 ($220 best bang for the buck)....although you can get a 5750 ($150?) which will do the job...barely.

Your choice will be spending $400 and barely able to the play game, or spend another $3-400 and run the game at medium setting.
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Did some looking today and found this. And Phenom II x4 955 black edition dementia 3.2 ghz 4x512MB L2 cache socket with corsair XMS3 dhx 4gb (2x2gb) pc3-10666 1333 MHz 240 pin DDR3 CL9 dual channel decktop memory kit.

And

XFX ATI Radeon HD 5770 1 GB DDR5 2DVI/ HDMI/DisplayPort PCI-Express Video Card
With
Corsair CMPSU-750TX 750-Watt TX Series 80 Plus Certified Power Supply compatible with Intel Core i7 and Core i5.

Does this look good to you?
Not sure if I'm missing anything that you told me about or not.
so do you think this will get me going for ffxiv.?
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They're compatible. Go for it.
Thanks again! and i think i will!
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Finally pulled the trigger today on my first PC build. Thanks again to those who provided feedback. I'm a little nervous about getting all the parts in good shape/working order to avoid the RMA hustle.

For those who didn't read my other posts, the original goal of this build was to get me in the game on a budget for around $600 so I can at least play smooth on low/med settings and leave myself an upgrade path. This has been a learning experience for me since I have -no- experience building PC's, not to mention on a strict budget.

As fortune would have it, I've been able to secure a huge amount of overtime at work, thus allowing me to stretch the budget a little which has given me some much needed wiggle room for the long run scenario. As a result, the PSU, mobo, CPU and case have all been upgraded nicely. Here's a look at what I ended up with:

MOBO
CPU
PSU
GPU
RAM
HDD
CASE

Salvaging the DVD drive from my old pc, and the OS is Win7 Premium 64 for system build.
I managed to get free shipping on everything, and no tax on all but the OS, RAM and GPU courtesy of Amazon. Kept it under $900 total.


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Gratz havashank, now post your benchmark score :)

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Right so these are the Upgrades I'm doing on my current system

CPU:
Intel Core2 Duo CPU
E8500 @ 3.16GHz

RAM:
2.00GB DDR2 of RAM
4.00GB DDR2 of RAM

GFX:
ATI Radeon HD 4850
512MB DDR?
GEFORCE GTX460
768MB DDR5


MoBo:
Gigabyte Tech.
EP45-DS4P

Psu:
Cooler Master 500W
Cooler Maswer 700W

OS:
Windows XP 32-bit
Windows 7 64-bit

Upgrade cost: $410
No I know it wont make a huge difference on my benchmark score of 2600ish but I'm hoping at least 2800ish

What do you guys think? with upgrades made should I get close to that?
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This is Wolfieguy, changed my username today. I imagine that could be confusing.

Threx wrote:

Task Manager :D

But it doesn't give you all the other nifty details. Try googling for a CPU monitoring program. RealTemp is one of them, but the only one I've used is AOD.
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Ah yes, good old task manager. Ran benchmark while monitoring CPU and GPU. GPU usage % was always about 10-20% higher than CPU so I assume that it is the bottleneck. Neither of them ever topped out though. Highest the graphics card ever got was about 97%. Guess I will be upgrading that first then.

Also actually closed all my other programs before running it this time and got about 1600, guess my computer actually can run FFXIV, barely :p. I have winamp playing so often that I forget that it actually uses system resources, ha.

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Did some looking today and found this. And Phenom II x4 955 black edition dementia 3.2 ghz 4x512MB L2 cache socket with corsair XMS3 dhx 4gb (2x2gb) pc3-10666 1333 MHz 240 pin DDR3 CL9 dual channel decktop memory kit.

And

XFX ATI Radeon HD 5770 1 GB DDR5 2DVI/ HDMI/DisplayPort PCI-Express Video Card
With
Corsair CMPSU-750TX 750-Watt TX Series 80 Plus Certified Power Supply compatible with Intel Core i7 and Core i5.

Does this look good to you?
Not sure if I'm missing anything that you told me about or not.
so do you think this will get me going for ffxiv.?


Yeah, that's good. If you want to cut costs a bit, you can try looking for a 5770 + PSU combo where the PSU is 600-650W. That's all you need if you're not overclocking.

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#986 Aug 22 2010 at 2:12 AM Rating: Decent
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GFX:
ATI Radeon HD 4850
512MB DDR?
GEFORCE GTX460
768MB DDR5


Psu:
Cooler Master 500W
Cooler Maswer 700W

No I know it wont make a huge difference on my benchmark score of 2600ish but I'm hoping at least 2800ish

What do you guys think? with upgrades made should I get close to that?


Yeah, you should.

If you haven't already ordered the parts, you can use a 600W PSU instead of a 700W to cut costs. 600W is enough if you're not overclocking.

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Ah yes, good old task manager. Ran benchmark while monitoring CPU and GPU. GPU usage % was always about 10-20% higher than CPU so I assume that it is the bottleneck. Neither of them ever topped out though. Highest the graphics card ever got was about 97%. Guess I will be upgrading that first then.


Are you in the beta? If so, try monitoring your CPU/GPU usage inside the game rather than the benchmark. If you don't have access to the beta, you might want to wait for the new benchmark to come out before buying anything. The new benchmark should be more accurate than the old one.
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Are you in the beta? If so, try monitoring your CPU/GPU usage inside the game rather than the benchmark. If you don't have access to the beta, you might want to wait for the new benchmark to come out before buying anything. The new benchmark should be more accurate than the old one.


Nope, no beta for me. I don't plan on buying anything till pretty much the week before release in case prices drop or anything else important happens that would affect my purchases. Good advice on waiting for the new bench though. I'm excited to try it out. Hope they release it soon.

Thanks Threx.

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cheers Threx,
Will the GFX be the same as the beta?
What I'm getting at is, is people with Benchmark scores lower than 3000 on low still running the beta fine?
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According to many people with lower than 3000 benchmark scores, they "play the game fine on low settings." But I really don't know what their definition of "fine" is.

As for myself, I get 4700 on the benchmark on low. In the beta, I run 720p windowed mode with medium overall settings, and I get 30-60fps outdoors in most cases. In crowded areas (think Lower Jeuno AH in FFXI) I get 18-22fps.

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#991 Aug 22 2010 at 10:30 AM Rating: Decent
Ok I've posted in this thread before a while back, but I now have some specific ideas on what I want to try to upgrade and what I want to spend. I currently have this comp that I got some time ago (if anyone is interested in the detail):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229131

It's an older Cyberpower with a cheap mid tower Coolermaster Elite 310 Case case. Specifically, the motherboard is Chipset AMD 760G and I was curious if it would be possible to keep it and use the following upgrade parts:

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor + DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) combo:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.470179

MSI R5770 Hawk Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card :
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127490

CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC :

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006

Again, I'm hoping my current motherboard will accept the new CPU and the other stuff. I can spend more on a new Mobo if I have to, but this is about what I want to spend at this time. I'd like to be able to play the game with a decent framerate and acceptable graphics.
I'd like anybody in the know to tell me if this is possible (new motherboard or not), because if these upgrades are still going to give me lousy performance I'd rather just wait for the PS3 release if I have to. Tell me what you would do in this situation.

I don't play PC games enough to spend a lot more on parts. I also have a comp savvy friend who can help me with overclocking and stuff like that.

I would also welcome any advice on better alternatives to these parts if they are about the same price or a better deal altogether.
Thanks for looking.
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Yeah, you'll be able to upgrade to that CPU and GPU. You'll be able to play the game "ok."
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#993 Aug 22 2010 at 11:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, you'll be able to upgrade to that CPU and GPU. You'll be able to play the game "ok."

Thanks for the prompt reply. Followup question: If I decide to splurge a little more for a more expensive GPU like this Radeon HD 5850:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121375
would that be a noticeable improvement, or would the CPU be a bottleneck and need to be upgraded as well theoretically?
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Threx wrote:
Yeah, you'll be able to upgrade to that CPU and GPU. You'll be able to play the game "ok."

Thanks for the prompt reply. Followup question: If I decide to splurge a little more for a more expensive GPU like this Radeon HD 5850:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121375
would that be a noticeable improvement, or would the CPU be a bottleneck and need to be upgraded as well theoretically?


Probably, but you can always overclock the CPU. It really isn't that hard or scary.
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I think I have settled on my new rig, just wanted to shoot it by everyone and see what the pro's think.

Case
NZXT Lexa Blackline Gaming Case - Black w/ Red Light

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Intel® Core™ i7 875K Processor (4x 2.93GHz/8MB L3 Cache)

Processor Cooling
Liquid CPU Cooling System [SOCKET-1156] - Standard 120mm Fan

Memory
4 GB [2 GB X2] DDR3-1600 Memory Module

Video Card
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 - 1GB - PALIT Sonic Platinum - Core: 800MHz - SLI Mode (Dual Cards)

Motherboard
[SLI] MSI P55-GD65 w/ 2x Gb LAN Motherboard USB / SATA Interface

Power Supply
850 Watt -- XFX Black Edition Power Supply SLI Ready

Primary Hard Drive
500 GB HARD DRIVE -- 16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 3.0Gb/s - Single Drive

Optical Drive[8X Blu-Ray]
LG BLU-RAY Reader, DVD±R/±RW Burner Combo Drive Black

Flash Media Reader/Writer
12-In-1 Internal Flash Media Card Reader/Writer - Black

Sound Card
3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard

Network Card
Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100)

Operating System
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium + Office Starter 2010 (Includes basic versions of Word and Excel) 64-Bit

Network Wireless Adapter
ASUS USB-N13 802.11b/g/n USB 2.0 300Mbps Wireless USB Adapter

I will be buying a wireless keyboard to go with the system as well.

I think this will enough to run it close to what I was hoping for and not break my bank account. I do appreciate all the help I have received since I started asking.

I plan on OC'ing both the CPU and GPU's as well, it looks like this CPU/GPU combo will do that nicely. I believe the liquid cooling will help with OC'ing as well, but would I need a better PSU with OC'ing both? I am going with that particular case since it looks like it has very good airflow for the heat.

From my research going dual GPU's will help with framerate and such vs going with one high end GPU. Is that true?

I will be routing this through a receiver through HDMI to a front projector that is 1080 on a 120 inch screen. I have poured over the internet the last couple days and I am still a little confused on the requirements routing a PC through a projector but it looks like all will be ok. Naturally any input on that would be appreciated.

I opted for a BluRay drive since I am just using my PS3 as a BluRay player and figured this rig would work just as well so I can move the PS3 downstairs to play around on. Questions is that I am runnging a 7.1 surround system and would I need a better sound card to get the surround out of the BluRay's.

I opted to throw more coin at the system since I was a FFXI player for about 6 years and would like to play FFXIV for just as long and want a very good picture quality for the size I am shooting.

I ended up having to let the wife buy more decorating stuff for the house since I am spending so much for "a game" as she calls it, oh well, pick your battles I guess.
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Hey just wanted to post on here the final specs of my system and see what everyone thought about it, and see if it will allow me to run the game on medium to high settings.

CPU - Intel i7 930

MOBO - Gigabyte X58A UD3R

GPU - EVGA GeForce GTX 460 1GB

RAM - 6GB OCZ Gold DDR3

HD - WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA3

PSU - Corsair TX850w

Tower - Antec Nine Hundred Two

OS - Windows 7 Home Premium

Optical - DVD ROM off old system of mine

Does this seem ok to you guys? I would like to be able to play it on my 55 inch Bravia and eventually go SLI.
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Hey just wanted to post on here the final specs of my system and see what everyone thought about it, and see if it will allow me to run the game on medium to high settings.

CPU - Intel i7 930

MOBO - Gigabyte X58A UD3R

GPU - EVGA GeForce GTX 460 1GB

RAM - 6GB OCZ Gold DDR3

HD - WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA3

PSU - Corsair TX850w

Tower - Antec Nine Hundred Two

OS - Windows 7 Home Premium

Optical - DVD ROM off old system of mine

Does this seem ok to you guys? I would like to be able to play it on my 55 inch Bravia and eventually go SLI.


Expect score in low to be in the low to mid 4000s with everything in stock clock speed.
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#998 Aug 23 2010 at 8:39 AM Rating: Decent
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just want to thank everyone for all of the information and advice throughout this thread. ended up that the power cord from the case to the mb was shorting. per some advice i did a external build and got everything to work (seeing the bios on the screen was a great feeling) then put everything back in the case and perfect. ran the benchmark and i am in business (low 4983, high 4404), besides the game it was cool to build my first pc and will never buy a desktop again. now unfortunately i want to keep building and making things better, even though its all new. thanks again
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just want to thank everyone for all of the information and advice throughout this thread. ended up that the power cord from the case to the mb was shorting. per some advice i did a external build and got everything to work (seeing the bios on the screen was a great feeling) then put everything back in the case and perfect. ran the benchmark and i am in business (low 4983, high 4404), besides the game it was cool to build my first pc and will never buy a desktop again. now unfortunately i want to keep building and making things better, even though its all new. thanks again


Great to hear, congratulations.
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I plan on OC'ing both the CPU and GPU's as well, it looks like this CPU/GPU combo will do that nicely. I believe the liquid cooling will help with OC'ing as well, but would I need a better PSU with OC'ing both? I am going with that particular case since it looks like it has very good airflow for the heat.

From my research going dual GPU's will help with framerate and such vs going with one high end GPU. Is that true?


A 700W PSU is enough for overclocking both your CPU and GPU. 850W is overkill unless you're planning on slapping on a second 460 in the future.

That case does not have good airflow. Not only does it not have good airflow, it doesn't have cable management. Cable management and good airflow are essential to good overclocking. Lower your PSU to 700W and use the saved cash to upgrade your case to this. It's the case I'm using, and it is absolutely excellent for its price. I give it a full 10/10. Get a few more fans and install them on it. It supports up to 8 fans (7 if you get the translucent side window, which I'm using). It should already come with 3 fans (mine came with the front, rear, and one top), so fill in the rest as you see fit.

About the dual GPU vs one high end GPU. It depends which models. Two GTX 460s, for example, outperforms a single GTX 480. But if you're using two old GPUs, they won't be able to compare to the 480.

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Right so these are the Upgrades I'm doing on my current system

CPU:
Intel Core2 Duo CPU
E8500 @ 3.16GHz

RAM:
2.00GB DDR2 of RAM
4.00GB DDR2 of RAM

GFX:
ATI Radeon HD 4850
512MB DDR?
GEFORCE GTX460
768MB DDR5


MoBo:
Gigabyte Tech.
EP45-DS4P

Psu:
Cooler Master 500W
Cooler Maswer 700W

OS:
Windows XP 32-bit
Windows 7 64-bit

Upgrade cost: $410
No I know it wont make a huge difference on my benchmark score of 2600ish but I'm hoping at least 2800ish

What do you guys think? with upgrades made should I get close to that?


There is little to no reason to upgrade your OS or to add more RAM. Neither of those changes will improve how the game plays on your PC.

I would recommend dropping in the 460 without upgrading your PSU. If it ends up not working then upgrade your PSU. The 460 is very good about drawing low power, so you might be able to get away with your 500W PSU.
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