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#1002 Aug 23 2010 at 12:51 PM Rating: Good
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Ok I've posted in this thread before a while back, but I now have some specific ideas on what I want to try to upgrade and what I want to spend. I currently have this comp that I got some time ago (if anyone is interested in the detail):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229131

It's an older Cyberpower with a cheap mid tower Coolermaster Elite 310 Case case. Specifically, the motherboard is Chipset AMD 760G and I was curious if it would be possible to keep it and use the following upgrade parts:

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor + DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) combo:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.470179

MSI R5770 Hawk Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card :
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127490

CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC :
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006

Again, I'm hoping my current motherboard will accept the new CPU and the other stuff. I can spend more on a new Mobo if I have to, but this is about what I want to spend at this time. I'd like to be able to play the game with a decent framerate and acceptable graphics.
I'd like anybody in the know to tell me if this is possible (new motherboard or not), because if these upgrades are still going to give me lousy performance I'd rather just wait for the PS3 release if I have to. Tell me what you would do in this situation.

I don't play PC games enough to spend a lot more on parts. I also have a comp savvy friend who can help me with overclocking and stuff like that.

I would also welcome any advice on better alternatives to these parts if they are about the same price or a better deal altogether.
Thanks for looking.


I have the same CPU OC'd to 3.5 GHz and the same GPU, no OC. I score 4350 @ low. Haven't run a bench on high, I use my tv as my monitor and it's a 720p. One thing I would recommend is if you're going to OC get an aftermarket CPU cooler, especially if you have iffy air flow through your case. The 955 runs a bit warm normally and tends to get pretty toasty OC'd.
#1003 Aug 23 2010 at 1:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey everyone,

wanted your opinion... I finally decided to go ahead and get a desktop even though I wanted a laptop to play FFXIV.. I am ready to pull the trigger in about a week or so.. my budget is around $1700 and this is what I built in cyberpower with it. let me know what you guys think?

CoolerMaster Storm Sniper Mid-Tower Gaming Case
CPU: AMD Phenom™II X6 1090T Six-Core CPU w/ HyperTransport Technology
HDD: 1TB SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 64MB Cache 7200RPM HDD (Single Hard Drive)
MEMORY: 4GB (2GBx2) DDR3/1333MHz Dual Channel Memory (Corsair Dominator
MOTHERBOARD: * GigaByte GA-890XA-UD3 AM3 AMD 790X Chipset Support CrossFireX DDR3 ATX w/ 7.1 HD Audio, GbLAN, IEEE1394, USB3.0, SATA-III, RAID, 2 Gen2 PCIe, 3 PCIe X1 & 2 PCI
SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
VIDEO: ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB GDDR5 16X PCIe Video Card (Major Brand Powered by ATI)

Also, Should i stick with AMD or get Intel icore?
I cant spend much more because I still need a monitor...
Thanks for your time =)



Edited, Aug 23rd 2010 3:33pm by jvfly23
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#1004 Aug 23 2010 at 1:48 PM Rating: Decent
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I too have taken the liberty of building a new system to prepare for the release of FFXIV (or should I say ordering the parts, since they won't be here til Thursday :/). I didn't need/use any information in the thread as I'm far too much the computer nerd myself, and will be finishing college with 2 computer related majors (Info Systems / Computer Science) in the next year. My build currently is looking like this (can thank the University for left over student loan money for this build! Shame I still have to pay it back when its all said and done XD):

- COOLER MASTER COSMOS 1000 Case - $169.99
- BIOSTAR TA890FXE AM3 AMD 890FX SATA 6Gb/s ATX AMD Motherboard - $139.99
- ZALMAN CNPS 9700 NT 110mm 2 Ball Ultra Quiet CPU Cooler - $64.99
- AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition Thuban 3.2GHz (shooting for 4-4.2Ghz OC on this one) - $295.99
- G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) 8GB Total - $189.98
- SAPPHIRE Vapor-X Radeon HD5870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI-E 2.0 - $429.99
- COOLER MASTER Silent Pro 700w PSU - $109.99

Grand Total - $1400.92

Along with HD/CD/DVD/Mouse/Keyboard/Student Win7 64bit from current build. I currently game on a 32" 1080p HDTV so thankfully with the expenses listed, I don't have to add another one for a monitor! I realize I don't need an X6 (though I'm not sure whether FFXIV will use all 6 cores, the bench sure throttles up all 4 cores I'm currently using, though), but hopefully when more things start making use of multiple cores, 6 cores at 4+ Ghz will last me a while. Eventually may run another 5870 in crossfire when the prices drop, but that will probably be a while, and will likely cause me to need a different PSU. I will post bench scores whenever I finally get around to getting it put together. Sometimes I think being a tech fanatic is worse than a cocaine addiction ; ;

Edit: lol, just noticed person above me making a very similar build that posted while I was typing all of this out XD

Edited, Aug 23rd 2010 3:57pm by lolrockboy
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#1005 Aug 23 2010 at 1:52 PM Rating: Decent
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I haven't tried it yet myself (parts should arrive in the next day or two) but this seems a pretty simple and easy way to overclock a 955X4.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p7HB9OMJSs
just something i happened across while looking for installing videos :D
#1006 Aug 23 2010 at 2:32 PM Rating: Decent
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I haven't tried it yet myself (parts should arrive in the next day or two) but this seems a pretty simple and easy way to overclock a 955X4.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p7HB9OMJSs
just something i happened across while looking for installing videos :D


I would recommend reading up on overclocking to get a grasp of what it is, what's required and what it can do before you give it a go. It's really not all that difficult, even doing it the normal way through BIOS, but it would suck if you damaged your new CPU emmulating the guy's video that has little to no explanation.
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FYI (it's been known for a while but the clocks ticking) the i7 950s should be dropping to sub-300 bucks before the end of this month, so those who are scared to O/C have a 3.0+ capable processor in an affordable range, I forget the other drops but all the processors from intel are due for a drop by the end of August.
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#1008 Aug 23 2010 at 8:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok I've posted in this thread before a while back, but I now have some specific ideas on what I want to try to upgrade and what I want to spend. I currently have this comp that I got some time ago (if anyone is interested in the detail):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229131

It's an older Cyberpower with a cheap mid tower Coolermaster Elite 310 Case case. Specifically, the motherboard is Chipset AMD 760G and I was curious if it would be possible to keep it and use the following upgrade parts:

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor + DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) combo:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.470179

MSI R5770 Hawk Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card :
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127490

CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC :
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006

Again, I'm hoping my current motherboard will accept the new CPU and the other stuff. I can spend more on a new Mobo if I have to, but this is about what I want to spend at this time. I'd like to be able to play the game with a decent framerate and acceptable graphics.
I'd like anybody in the know to tell me if this is possible (new motherboard or not), because if these upgrades are still going to give me lousy performance I'd rather just wait for the PS3 release if I have to. Tell me what you would do in this situation.

I don't play PC games enough to spend a lot more on parts. I also have a comp savvy friend who can help me with overclocking and stuff like that.

I would also welcome any advice on better alternatives to these parts if they are about the same price or a better deal altogether.
Thanks for looking.


I have the same CPU OC'd to 3.5 GHz and the same GPU, no OC. I score 4350 @ low. Haven't run a bench on high, I use my tv as my monitor and it's a 720p. One thing I would recommend is if you're going to OC get an aftermarket CPU cooler, especially if you have iffy air flow through your case. The 955 runs a bit warm normally and tends to get pretty toasty OC'd.


Thanks very much for the insight! I have a 52" 1080p HDTV (only 60hz though) that I have hooked up for a gaming monitor as well, so we think alike in many ways it seems. :D
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#1009 Aug 23 2010 at 9:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks very much for the insight! I have a 52" 1080p HDTV (only 60hz though) that I have hooked up for a gaming monitor as well, so we think alike in many ways it seems. :D


True :D I thought about getting a dedicated monitor because I like to watch tv while I play but I just don't have the space for one. I have to say though, even on low on my tv the benchmark looks awesome! If it looked bad I would definitely be wall mounting my tv and buying a monitor.

Edit: Just remembered...before the OC I was scoring 4170 on the benchmark so not a huge jump. From what I've been seeing, the benchmark on low is CPU dependent and people have been getting a boost of 500-600 with a big OC. So long story short, if you plan on running on high then you may not need to OC, and if you decide to the jump in score is proportional to the size of the OC...and SE is redoing the benchmark anyway so all this may be a moot point :)

Edited, Aug 23rd 2010 8:36pm by SkinwalkerAsura
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There is little to no reason to upgrade your OS or to add more RAM. Neither of those changes will improve how the game plays on your PC.

I would recommend dropping in the 460 without upgrading your PSU. If it ends up not working then upgrade your PSU. The 460 is very good about drawing low power, so you might be able to get away with your 500W PSU.


Actually after upgrading to windows 7 last night I did another benchmark.

High: 1727 (prev. 1515)
loadtime: 23723ms (41543ms)

Low: 2780 (2623)
Loadtime: 22297ms (27432ms)

As seen here I improved almost 200 points.
I thought since Windows 7 uses more RAM and with all the gadgets and transparent crap going on my score wouldn't change, but it improved so much I'm actually quite pleased.

Also I'm upgrading my PSU because I'm currently having issues with it not because of the GFX card, thou it couldn't help.
Thanks for your input :)

Next is RAM and PSU probably this time next week, will keep posted

EDIT:
After making this post i decided to have a look at my CPU, and luckily I did. Turns out i was only running my E8500 core2 Duo 3.16GHz @ 2.83GHz. after a few minutes in BIOS Its now running at 3.32Ghz and here are the results.

High: 1756
loadtime: 20989ms

Low:2990
Loadtime: (missed the reading)

A massive increase in Low settings, but for some reason only a small in high.
Would anyone know the reasoning behind this?

Edited, Aug 24th 2010 2:09am by JAck45
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SkinwalkerAsura wrote:
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I haven't tried it yet myself (parts should arrive in the next day or two) but this seems a pretty simple and easy way to overclock a 955X4.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p7HB9OMJSs
just something i happened across while looking for installing videos :D


I would recommend reading up on overclocking to get a grasp of what it is, what's required and what it can do before you give it a go. It's really not all that difficult, even doing it the normal way through BIOS, but it would suck if you damaged your new CPU emmulating the guy's video that has little to no explanation.



Agreed. That video has only one purpose: to show how simple it is to overclock a 955 compared to most other CPUs.

To use that video as a guide, though, would be folly. It has no explanation, and telling people to jump from 1.35V to 1.55V is ridiculous.

****, with the same clock speed, my 955 runs stable with 1.425V. Using 1.55V is way overkill.

Edited, Aug 24th 2010 12:55am by Threx
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SkinwalkerAsura wrote:
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I haven't tried it yet myself (parts should arrive in the next day or two) but this seems a pretty simple and easy way to overclock a 955X4.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p7HB9OMJSs
just something i happened across while looking for installing videos :D


I would recommend reading up on overclocking to get a grasp of what it is, what's required and what it can do before you give it a go. It's really not all that difficult, even doing it the normal way through BIOS, but it would suck if you damaged your new CPU emmulating the guy's video that has little to no explanation.



Agreed. That video has only one purpose: to show how simple it is to overclock a 955 compared to most other CPUs.

To use that video as a guide, though, would be folly. It has no explanation, and telling people to jump from 1.35V to 1.55V is ridiculous.

****, with the same clock speed, my 955 runs stable with 1.425V. Using 1.55V is way overkill.


Thanks for the advice. I guess I have some reading to do until my parts arrive :D
#1013 Aug 24 2010 at 6:13 AM Rating: Decent
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FYI (it's been known for a while but the clocks ticking) the i7 950s should be dropping to sub-300 bucks before the end of this month, so those who are scared to O/C have a 3.0+ capable processor in an affordable range, I forget the other drops but all the processors from intel are due for a drop by the end of August.


That would be great as I'm currently in search of a new CPU and on a budget. What source is this coming from and what's the reason behind the drop, do you know?
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Thanks for the advice. I guess I have some reading to do until my parts arrive :D


Good luck with learning to overclock. And if your parts arrive and you need any tips for OCing the 955, feel free to post here. We're using the same CPU so the details would be almost identical. :)

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@Threx

Could you give me some advice on changing voltages during OCing? I've been playing around with my old Athlon64 X2 just to get a feel for it (Changing the bus speed because my multiplier is locked, can't wait to get the 955 BE :D)
I've been slowly going higher and doing stress tests with prime95 and haven't lost stability yet but when I do should I just bump the voltage up a notch? (Assuming temps are fine)

I'm sure it's more complicated than that but I don't feel like thinking, it's 7Am and I need to get to sleep
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The first thing is increase only your CPU clock speed a bit (just raise the multiplier for the 955). Leave everything else alone. Run Prime95 for stability. Only increase voltage when you crash. Keep an eye on temps at all times. For the 955, the official max temp is 62C...so don't go over 60C with your absolute maximum OC running stress tests. The basic steps are:


1. Increase CPU core multiplier by 0.5 or 1.

2. Run Prime95 for 10 mins and keep an eye on temps.

3a. If you don't crash, repeat step 1.
3b. If you crash, increase voltage by 0.025 and repeat step 2.


Once you've reached a speed and voltage combination where you can't go any further (temps already too high), you've reached your "potential max overclock." I say potential because you don't know if it's really stable yet.

To test whether it's stable or not, run Prime95 for at least 1 hour. Many overclockers recommend 8 hours, but I think 1 to 1.5 hours is fine since you will never be using any programs or playing any games that will stress your CPU that much for that long.

If your system crashes before 1 to 1.5 hours have passed, decrease your multiplier by 0.5 or 1 and try again. Once you pass the test, that's your max overclock for your CPU.

You can also fine tune it by fiddling with the bus speed, but if you're not familiar with overclocking I'd recommend you to not mess with that yet and just overclock using only the multiplier method that I listed above. Changing your bus speed affects your entire system, not just the CPU, so it's " more dangerous if you don't know what you're doing" so to speak.

Just for reference, these are my basic stable OC settings for my 955:

Stock:
3.2Ghz (1.375V), 49.5C max temp.

OC:
3.8Ghz (1.425V), 52.5C max temp.
4.0Ghz (1.475V), 58.5C max temp.

Note that I'm using a liquid cooling kit (CoolIt ECO). If you're running on air, you probably won't be able to reach 4.0Ghz unless you have a really high end HSF.

At 4.0Ghz, my max temp while running Prime95 is 58.5C so I didn't bother trying to push it any further by fine tuning it further. 4Ghz is already a very good overclock for the 955.

I also have my NB-CPU and HT overclocked, but don't worry about those yet. You can get into that once you're familiar with the basic CPU overclock using multipliers. :)


Edited, Aug 24th 2010 8:38am by Threx
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#1017 Aug 24 2010 at 7:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for the good info, unfortunately my multiplier is locked on my current CPU and I don't see myself upgrading for a month or two to the 955 so if you feel like going deeper into OCing using the bus speed I would appreciate it. I did some reading, but don't really have a grasp on the HT speed and NB speed yet.

I think I've got a pretty good grasp on using the multiplier honestly. It's pretty simple, small step up, stress test, adjust voltage if unstable and keep an eye on temps to make sure they are safe, repeat. Right?

Also, I sliced my finger open when I was fiddling around in my case like 3 hours ago. It's been wrapped up really tight the whole time but still bleeds whenever I change the bandage, jesus.
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I can't really give you a specific guide since different motherboards have different options to play with. Increasing the FSB increases the speed of everything; CPU, NB, HT, RAM. So if you increase the FSB, you're overclocking everything. If you just want to test the CPU overclock, once you increase the FSB you need to modify NB, HT, and RAM so that it goes back down to stock settings instead of having it overclocked along with your CPU. Some motherboards have multipliers for everything, so it's a simple matter of decreasing the multiplier for the NB, HT, and RAM. Some motherboards have a FSB:RAM ratio option, which you have to adjust so that the RAM remains the same while you increase your FSB.

Like I said, it depends on your motherboard, so you're gonna have to see what options are available to you.

Edit: If you mess with your bus speed and find your system not booting (can't even get to the bios), don't panic. Pull out your motherboard manual and look for the method to reset your CMOS (resetting your BIOS to the original factory settings). This is usually done using one of two methods: pulling out the battery on your motherboard or placing a jumper cap somewhere on your motherboard then removing it. If you don't have a jumper, you can use a piece of metal (a screwdriver) to connect the two pins, and it will reset your BIOS. After doing that you will be able to get back into your BIOS.


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#1019 Aug 24 2010 at 8:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Alright, thanks. I'll do some more research and see what I can learn.
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Hello everyone. I had been looking forward to this game for the longest time and only recently starting hearing these horror stories about the system requirements. My PC is pretty old, probably like 4-5 years old. But It never gave me trouble for other games.

My question is this, I have checked it and it has a CPU of like 2.X gHz (can't remember exactly but it was well over 2.0)

If I just buy a new graphics card and maybe some more RAM, will I be good to go? Is it really that simple? Because I was fearing spending $1000+ on a new computer and such just to play this, but if I really just need those two things thats nothing.
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@Threx

Ok, after some more research it seems that my goal for OCing is to find the max safe speed individually for the HT link, NB, CPU and RAM. I would do this by testing each one separately while turning all the other multipliers down to a level where adjusting the FSB won't bring them above stock, am I on the right track here? If so, what are the methods I should use to test the maximum speed of the NB and HT? Memtest86 seems to be the best way to test memory so I will get on that.

For some reason, this seems like it will be fun. Hooray!

Also, thanks for all your good advice.

EDIT: I just went and reread your last post, obviously I wasn't paying enough attention because I just rewrote what you did, duh.

Edited, Aug 24th 2010 9:04am by Degausser
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Well hello everyone. With the screenshots and information from Beta I've decided I'm going to be playing FF 14 alongside you guys. I didn't see a recent thread dedicated to hello's so I figured this would be as good a place as any to (re) introduce myself. I'm going to be creating a Miqo'te when I begin playing (KITTY!!! YAY =^..^=). With that out of the way I do have some relevant technical info for the thread. I'd like to know just how high you guys think I'll be able to push my graphics and what I can do to fine tune the configurations for FF14. This game is so beautiful that I want to experience it to its fullest. I've never seen anything like it before.... simply breathtaking!! I cheaped out when I bought my current PC 3 1/2 years ago and it only scored 210 on the FF14 benchmark so I figured it was unsalvageable (it slows down in FFXI so I was expecting this). I've been paying my bills off and saving some money for a few years now so I figured if I was going to buy a new PC I would do it right the FIRST time. As was stated in the OP; it would suck to pay a lot of money for a system that doesn't perform well anyway. So I splurged a bit for a high end computer which is in production right now but I'd like some advice on what to do to fine tune it when it arrives.

Relevant technical specs are as follows

Alienware Aurora Desktop
---Overclocked Intel Core i7 930 Quad Core Processor (3.36GHz, 8MB Cache)
---9GB Triple Channel 1333Mhz DDR3 RAM
---Dual ATI Radeon HD 5870 graphics with CrossFire technology
---1TB - SATA-II, 3Gb/s, 7,200RPM, 32MB Cache HDD
---Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
---Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio
---850 Watt Power Supply

I have no doubt this will pass the FF 14 benchmark flawlessly. This computer can easily last me a good 5-6 years before I expect I'll want to upgrade again so I'm investing a little extra now so I don't have to do so again for a long time. With that said, what kind of software tweaks might I want to make to the system. I assume checking for driver updates at the manufacturer's web sites is a given but is there anything I'm missing? I'm a decent computer geek but I know a lot of you would put my knowledge to shame so I figured it best to ask now rather than play around myself later. Thanks!

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Alienware Aurora Desktop
---Overclocked Intel Core i7 930 Quad Core Processor (3.36GHz, 8MB Cache)
---9GB Triple Channel 1333Mhz DDR3 RAM
---Dual ATI Radeon HD 5870 graphics with CrossFire technology
---1TB - SATA-II, 3Gb/s, 7,200RPM, 32MB Cache HDD
---Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
---Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio
---850 Watt Power Supply


After looking at the computer with these options selected I have to wonder -- Why would you pay 150 dollars more for them to overclock the i7 930 for you? The rest seems pretty sound, though I think if you were to sit around and wait the inevitable price drop of the i7, which I hear is sometime this month, you could easily build the same rig yourself for much cheaper. Definitely always paying a premium for pre-built machines. Also, I'm a huge advocate of dual velociraptor 10k drives in Raid 0, but thats just me. May be a little pricey, but if you're a computer enthusiast like me who isn't quite ready to pay the steep prices for SSD, its definitely worth it for the performance boost.

Edit: Doh! Just noticed you've already purchased it. I think I should pay closer attention. Anyway, if the bios on the Alienware PC's allow you to OC more (I'd imagine they do, they are gaming computers), then you will likely be able to push that OC to around 3.8-4ghz with good cooling. The dual 5870's will rock something fierce in crossfire, something I'm looking to do eventually. I've never used crossfire before but you may still be able to OC the video cards, but to my understanding both cards operate in the same frequency when in crossfire (not an issue anyway, likely the exact same 5870 model -- though that never guarantees the same overclock). Other than that, my mention of Raid 0 still stands, even by picking up another SataII drive from Newegg or something, if dual v-raptors is out of the question. If it isn't, you could always use the 1TB for a storage drive!

Edit2: Damnit Melphina, now you've went and caused me to purchase another 5870 ; ;

Edited, Aug 24th 2010 12:35pm by lolrockboy
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@ Mistress Melphina

Quite frankly that system is making me drool!
I dare not ask how much but wow!

I know you mentioned Drivers and such the only thing I can think about is possibly the latest Directx... and umm well really thats about it.
Not sure what monitor your using but looking at the rig your buying im sure it will be epic.
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I think I got a pretty good deal for the specifications I listed. I got it from Dell.com (yes I know some people say "ewww" but I've never had any problems with their work). They charge a bit extra but I don't trust myself to install a build like this. I've never built a computer and frying the CPU or other internal components or messing up the air flow frightens me... it's a terrible thought... that and I can't solder for sh*t and installing a CPU needs that skill. I'm a computer geek as far as software and hardware technical know how (what's good and what's not) but I want a professional building my rig. That said I paid $2,500 with shipping and handling included after taxes.

Three years ago I paid ~~~$1,000 for my current PC and it was an econo model so it was outdated before it was built... and today it's crud (It was used by family members too and the registry fell apart. I formatted and reinstalled everything but it was never as good from then on). I've had 3 or 4 PC's since my first computer in 1994/1995 but I never had a REALLY GOOD one. I've wanted a Gaming rig for over a decade but it was never within my budget. I've been working full time for two years and paid off a majority of my credit debt and gotten my student loans under control so I felt comfortable spending a bit extra this time (the truth is this is what I've been saving my money for years to buy anyway). When I went to dell.com I chose the basic alienware aurora setup and customized it to bring it more in line with the mid range model without requiring all the additional bells and whistles I didn't want. I set a personal budget of approximately $2500 and I was pleased to have met it right on the nose. What I did was the follows

I went to the dell desktop computer section and chose the Alienware Aurora under the gaming pc's option with icore 7. The default price was $1,169 but I beefed it up. Changes I made were these

CPU -- The i7 quad core 920 (266 GHZ 8 mb cache) was standard but I wasn't happy with that. The CPU is such an important component I upgraded to the i7 930 overclocked model (3.36 GHZ + 8 MB cache) for $270. They DID have the 6 core i980 processors but that beast was $990 to upgrade to and the overclocked one was $1,080. I said ***** that... paying for THE VERY BEST NOW technology is never an economically smart idea with electronics, especially the latest CPU. But for $270 I said **** yeah!! I'll take the overclocked quad core. The performances are similar enough I'll never complain.

Video Card -- This is where I spent a lot of money upgrading. The default is Dual 5670 with crossfire which is good, but the chip technology is 128 bit and it's inferior. I decided if I was going to splurge I wanted to do so on every component within reason since everything affects the overall performance. The dual 5870 with CrossFire was a $550 upgrade but I figured THAT kind of processing power will last a very long time. FF14 is extremely graphics heavy and I did some research. The CrossFire technology performs extremely well and stands up to every benchmarking test it's put to (I've read several different reviews and all gave it an excellent rating). I could have paid $450 for a single ATI Radeon 5970 or $400 for a single Nvidia GTX 480 but I said to **** with it and went all out on the graphics. That was the best option they had but I have no regrets. I'll never need a graphics card upgrade for the PC's life.

RAM-- This was an easy and cheap upgrade in relation to the other pieces. The default is 3 Gigs ram but the cost to upgrade to 6 Gigs of ram is $90 and the cost to upgrade to 9 Gigs ram is $180. Both options are pretty good and I wasn't satisfied with 3 so I said ***** it... I'm getting 9!! I could have chosen to install 12 gigs of ram but that would have cost me $315 and I'm sorry but even a gaming rig like this doesn't NEED 12 gigs ram so upgrading further than 9 Gigs would have been a waste of money. I chose 9 for the economical/power tradeoff.

Hard Drive-- The default is a 500 megabyte SATAII/3 GB 7200 RPM with 16 Megs Cache. The terrabyte model was $45 more. That was a no brainer. The terrabyte model has double the Cache and that's freakin huge. I will never USE 1 terrabyte hard drive space but I was more than willing to spend $45 to go from 16 megs to 32 megs cache.

I didn't add any other choices except to plant 2 trees (let's hear it for reforestation)!!. The power supply is standard and cannot be changed (you NEED 850 watts with that kind of power) and it comes with the LiquidCooling technology (also necessary.. lol). I chose the red chasis model because I like that color best. After taxes and shipping + handling I landed right on my budget at the $2,500 mark so I said "build it" and now I just have to wait a few weeks. I preordered the standard version of FF 14 and chose to have it shipped to my address from ebgames.com.

I understand the price may be coming down a bit for "do it yourself" builds but I don't have confidence in my physical dexterity to get it right and if I *&^$%# it up I'd be seriously ****** . I've compared it with the benchmark reports from the other rigs listed here so I know it's going to score high. I just wanted to make sure I'm not missing any final tweaks with it aside from drivers and whatnot. If nobody has any other recommendations for me to tweak it for FF 14 capabilities I guess I can't add too much else.

It's good to see you all again. I'm looking forward to playing in E'ozea with you all. It'll be fun to be a complete gaming newbie all over again... that's a feeling I forgot long ago Smiley: lol

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That isn't actually too bad of a price in all honesty. Could you have saved money by doing it yourself? Of course, but as you're aware, building your own system isn't for everyone, and I applaud you for knowing this ahead of time lol. I'm certain you'll be able to OC that CPU even more, especially on liquid cooling, and have zero problems with FFXIV, or any games released for quite a long time. As for other tweaks, there are some Windows 7 tweaks to help with gaming/benchmarks/etc (such as disabling unwanted services, aero, etc), but with the sheer power we're working with here I highly doubt that would be needed!
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Ok, after some more research it seems that my goal for OCing is to find the max safe speed individually for the HT link, NB, CPU and RAM. I would do this by testing each one separately while turning all the other multipliers down to a level where adjusting the FSB won't bring them above stock, am I on the right track here? If so, what are the methods I should use to test the maximum speed of the NB and HT? Memtest86 seems to be the best way to test memory so I will get on that.

For some reason, this seems like it will be fun. Hooray!

Also, thanks for all your good advice.

EDIT: I just went and reread your last post, obviously I wasn't paying enough attention because I just rewrote what you did, duh.

Edited, Aug 24th 2010 9:04am by Degausser


That's pretty much it.

As for the NB and HT, I'm not sure if there are dedicated programs to test them. I'm not very knowledgeable about them so I actually don't overclock them much. I've only OC'ed my NB from 2000 to 2400 and HT from 2000 to 2200. I can OC my NB to 2200 without any voltage tweaks. When I increase it to 2400 though, when I run Prime95 I notice that after a few minutes 1-2 of my cores simply shut down. I have to nudge the voltage up by a notch to keep it stable. Since I'm not very knowledgeable on this, I didn't go further than 2400 since I have no idea what the max acceptable voltage for it is. About the HT, you don't even have to OC it, really. It doesn't do much for benchmarks and games. I pushed it to 2200 just for the **** of it. :P

Edit: Just got a tube of MX-3 today. :D Gonna apply it soon and see what happens.

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Mistress Melphina wrote:

---Overclocked Intel Core i7 930 Quad Core Processor (3.36GHz, 8MB Cache)
---9GB Triple Channel 1333Mhz DDR3 RAM
---Dual ATI Radeon HD 5870 graphics with CrossFire technology
---850 Watt Power Supply


Ugh...you're risking your system with that puny PSU. With two 5870s AND a liquid cooler AND overclocking, you should really use at least 1000W.

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Here I go again. After reading so much, I have come with this new rig.

CPU AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX
CPU Cooler Scythe SCKTN-3000 92mm Sleeve "KATANA3" 3Heat Pipes CPU Cooler
Motherboard ASUS M4A88TD-V EVO/USB3 AM3 AMD 880G HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
Memory OCZ Special Ops Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Voltage Desktop Memory Model OCZ3SOE1600LV4GK
Graphics HIS H585FN1GD Radeon HD 5850 (Cypress Pro) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ Eyefinity
Hard Drive WD Caviar Blue 320GB 320GB, 7,200 RPM, 8MB Cache SATA 3.0 Gb/s
Case AZZA Solano 1000 Black/Black Japanese SECC Steel/Metal mesh in front ATX Full Tower Computer Case
Power Antec EarthWatts EA750 750W Continuous Power ATX12V version 2.3 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC "compatible with Core i7/Core i5" Power Supply
Optical Lite-On iHas124 24x DVD+R, 8x DVD+RW, 48x CD ROM

According to the Xtreme power supply calculator I need 658 Watts for this rig w/cross fire, so I believe a 750 will be enough.
I will start with one HD5850, but eventually will crossfire.

I will start buying as good deals come up. For example today, I can get the PS at $60, but only today.
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With Promo Code
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FYI (it's been known for a while but the clocks ticking) the i7 950s should be dropping to sub-300 bucks before the end of this month, so those who are scared to O/C have a 3.0+ capable processor in an affordable range, I forget the other drops but all the processors from intel are due for a drop by the end of August.



Thanks for that. Was going to order PC tomorrow, but can wait a few days. Though googled it after reading this and seems like only the I7 950 will drop. Still, that's £200 to spend improving the graphics card.
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Hello everyone. I had been looking forward to this game for the longest time and only recently starting hearing these horror stories about the system requirements. My PC is pretty old, probably like 4-5 years old. But It never gave me trouble for other games.

My question is this, I have checked it and it has a CPU of like 2.X gHz (can't remember exactly but it was well over 2.0)

If I just buy a new graphics card and maybe some more RAM, will I be good to go? Is it really that simple? Because I was fearing spending $1000+ on a new computer and such just to play this, but if I really just need those two things thats nothing.


@hugznkisses

My first question to you would be this: Have you downloaded and tried to run the benchmark on your current system?
Second question would be: What parts do you have in your system? Ram, Video Card(ATI?/Nvidia?) AGP or PCIe slot? Processor?Intel or AMD? Just knowing the details on those helps a lot in the answers you'll get.

Running the benchmark and the resulting score will give you a base starting point for your current system. The lowest score, 1500, will result in about a 26-30 frame average. I think that is why SE set the bench score like they did; to make sure that your processor would be able to handle 30 fps or close to it. This is on the low 720 setting.

from my overclocking notes on a Intel 3.2G system, I've noticed the rise in benchmark score and FPS is related to the increased clock speed of the processor. IE: 3.2G = 1220; 3.3G = 1300; 3.4G = 1350 etc. I don't think the graphics card has any effect on the low score. I can leave my Radeon HD3850 at stock speed or overclock it and still get roughly the same score.

If you have a dual core 4-5 year 3.0G old processor, 2 gigs of good low latency ram, PCIe graphics card; ATI HD 3850 and above or Nvidia 8800GTX and above and the patience to do a little 'tweaking', you should be able to achieve the minimum 1500 score for the benchmark.

In a few threads I've read, there are people playing in beta that had lower scores than 1500 and they report running the game just 'fine'.


my system is 7 years old and I finally got to 1500 with a little tweaking. 3.2 @ 3.7 1.61v with ram at 3-3-3-8 2.85v
graphics card HD 3850 840/1075 1.274v and one gasping, wheezing, please-turn-me-off-so-I-can-rest 560watt power supply. Temps: CPU 55C / GPU 78C / NB 38C / Ram 45C / AGP bus untouched. 1.5v @66mhz
Got higher scores running with just 2 x1G sticks of ram vs 3gigs of ram. 3 gigs of ram crashes system at 3.6 no matter what voltage I set. Power supply just not up to that much ram voltage and all other stuff, too.

All parts in my system meet the bare minimum requirements for this game. Thus I get the bare minimum score. If your system is better than mine, you'll have an idea of what you might get from your 4-5 year old system.

good luck!
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Oh you went 955 too, nice to know im in good company. :D
Which video card did you go with? I was thinking of going with the 460 but after doing some more reading and seeing how CPU dependent the game is i was thinking about stepping back to the 5770.
I should get my parts tomorrow or the next day so here's hoping everything goes well :D
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---Overclocked Intel Core i7 930 Quad Core Processor (3.36GHz, 8MB Cache)
---9GB Triple Channel 1333Mhz DDR3 RAM
---Dual ATI Radeon HD 5870 graphics with CrossFire technology
---850 Watt Power Supply


Ugh...you're risking your system with that puny PSU. With two 5870s AND a liquid cooler AND overclocking, you should really use at least 1000W.


I will take this advice. I found a much more suitable PSU here. I can buy this from newegg and have it swapped into the system when it arrives. I spent extra on a lot of the components so the LAST thing I'm about to ***** myself over on is the PSU. Thank you for pointing that out Threx. This is why I came here. I assume this new PSU I linked to should be more than adequate for my system? And other than that do you see any other inconsistencies or should I be ok from there out?

Thank you for the help. I really appreciate it.

Edited, Aug 25th 2010 12:48am by Melphina
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I will take this advice. I found a much more suitable PSU here. I can buy this from newegg and have it swapped into the system when it arrives. I spent extra on a lot of the components so the LAST thing I'm about to ***** myself over on is the PSU. Thank you for pointing that out Threx. This is why I came here. I assume this new PSU I linked to should be more than adequate for my system? And other than that do you see any other inconsistencies or should I be ok from there out?


I'm not entirely sure about that PSU. The thing is, I don't know much about how PSUs work. What I know is that for the 5870s, the 12V rail on your PSU should have 42A or more. But the 12V rail on the PSU you listed is split into 6, each with 30A. With two of them plugged into a single 5870, I'm not sure if you'd be getting just 30A (not enough) or if they would be combined to a total of 60A (enough).

You should check with someone more knowledgeable about this to be sure. Don't call up the company you're buying the PSU from. Of course they will say it's alright because they want to sell. Check with a third party.

Oh, and once you find out post back here, I'd like to know the answer too. :)
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Well with the internet at my fingertips and many consumer review sites to cross examine I spent about an hour or so and I have a definitive answer to my question. The answer is 100% YES that this PSU will more than handle my PC's power needs. This PSU is capable of easily powering even the most advanced systems on the market and it's stylish and best of all it's extremely efficient on both power regulation as well as power efficiency. Even when pushed to the limit with systems similar to my build it's reported to have approximately 85-90% power effeciency while powering every component flawlessly which is just incredible. One review compared it with a $599 PSU model on Newegg and said "it delivers more power for half the price". The critics and reviewers had a large number of Pros to give and I saw a lot of people say under cons --- There aren't any. The expected life span of this PSU is projected to be "longer than that of any system"... it's just a beast of a PSU for the high end systems that actually need it. I've definitely found the PSU I'll be using for my system. That should really finish the hardware components. The rest is just fine tuning the software.

Edited, Aug 25th 2010 2:38am by Melphina
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Good morning folks! First, thank you all for your suggestions and insight in this thread and on the Zam FFXIV forum in general. It helped make my decision and purchases with regards to upgrading my PC. I thought I would share what I did in hope that it might help a few in a similar situation as me.

I have an older, almost 3 year old computer, based on the Intel P35 chipset with an LGA 775 socket. At the time, I built it with very decent components and it served me well since. I was pondering building a new system entirely but decided instead to upgrade my processor and video card and get a bit more mileage out of this system. I went with Intel’s quad core Q9400 2.6 GHz processor and MSI’s GeForce GTX 460 1024 MB video card.

You can see my benchmark scores below, including some scenarios with over-clocked components. Not the best by any means but quite acceptable in my opinion. I’ll probably build a new system in a year or two but for now, I’m happy with this.

Stock settings (Q9400 @ 2.6 GHz, GTX 460 @ 725/1450 MHz)

Low: 3618
High: 2536

Over-clocked processor (Q9400 @ 3.2 GHz, GTX 460 @ 725/1450 MHz)

Low: 4038
High: 2623

Over-clocked processor and video (Q9400 @ 3.2 GHz, GTX 460 @ 800/1600 MHz)

Low: 4146
High: 2825

Cheers,
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For information purposes, my system has a 650 W power supply and 4 GB of RAM running Windows 7. My old processor was a Core 2 Duo E6600 at 2.4 GHz and my old video card was an ATI Radeon X1950XT.


Edited, Aug 25th 2010 8:01am by S81
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Hey folks,

I wanted to solicit some advice on purchasing an out of box setup that will effectively run FFXIV. With either of the the below systems run the game at relatively high quality/rate? Two options are listed. Any input you can provide if appreciated. Thank you!


The first is my preference:

Processor Type:Intel Core i7 860 Processor `
Speed: 2.8GHz
Processor Cores: 4 RAM 8 GB PC3-10600 DDR3 SDRAM (Exp. To 16 GB)
Hard Drive Capacity: 1 TB Hard Drive Speed
Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 5770
Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit

This one is my alternate ($350 cheaper):

Processor Type: Intel Core i5 650 Processor
Speed: 3.2 GHz
Processor Cores: 2 RAM 4 x 2 GB PC3-10600 DDR3 SDRAM (Exp. To 16 GB)
Hard Drive Capacity: 1 TB Hard Drive Speed
Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 5570
Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit

Thanks again for your time an effort. See you September 22nd!
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Hey folks,

I wanted to solicit some advice on purchasing an out of box setup that will effectively run FFXIV. With either of the the below systems run the game at relatively high quality/rate? Two options are listed. Any input you can provide if appreciated. Thank you!


The first is my preference:

Processor Type:Intel Core i7 860 Processor `
Speed: 2.8GHz
Processor Cores: 4 RAM 8 GB PC3-10600 DDR3 SDRAM (Exp. To 16 GB)
Hard Drive Capacity: 1 TB Hard Drive Speed
Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 5770
Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit

This one is my alternate ($350 cheaper):

Processor Type: Intel Core i5 650 Processor
Speed: 3.2 GHz
Processor Cores: 2 RAM 4 x 2 GB PC3-10600 DDR3 SDRAM (Exp. To 16 GB)
Hard Drive Capacity: 1 TB Hard Drive Speed
Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 5570
Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit

Thanks again for your time an effort. See you September 22nd!



If you don't mind spending the extra money, I'd definitely go with the first set up if I were you.

FFXIV requires a monster of a PC to play the game well on high settings. With the first system you listed, you will be able to play the game on low to medium settings. With the second system, you'll be able to do the same, but expect lower than satisfactory fps.

Just for reference, my system performs about the same as the first system you listed. I get 30-60fps in open areas, 20-50fps in town, and 18-25 fps in crowded areas. It already runs a bit choppy in many areas, so I doubt you would want any performance that is below what I just explained.

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If you don't mind spending the extra money, I'd definitely go with the first set up if I were you.

FFXIV requires a monster of a PC to play the game well on high settings. With the first system you listed, you will be able to play the game on low to medium settings. With the second system, you'll be able to do the same, but expect lower than satisfactory fps.

Just for reference, my system performs about the same as the first system you listed. I get 30-60fps in open areas, 20-50fps in town, and 18-25 fps in crowded areas. It already runs a bit choppy in many areas, so I doubt you would want any performance that is below what I just explained.


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Thanks Threx. Anything I should look at upgrading on this unit or leave as is?
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It depends on what kind of performance you're looking for.

Btw, you don't need 8Gb RAM. 4Gb is enough. You can always add 4 more in a year or two if you need it. Lower it to 4Gb now to save some money.
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Perfect thank you!

I definately see the advantages of building, however I've got a $600 gift card I can use towards the purchase. Just not sure which way to go!
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Just recently started buildign a new computer and just bought a copy of windows 7 home premium 64 bit OEM, I just got the package and i am a little worried about OEM, it says for system builders only (which is obvisouly what i am doing) but i still thought i would just ask on here if this will work for my OS before i open it up. So will OEM work for me when i build my computer?
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Just recently started buildign a new computer and just bought a copy of windows 7 home premium 64 bit OEM, I just got the package and i am a little worried about OEM, it says for system builders only (which is obvisouly what i am doing) but i still thought i would just ask on here if this will work for my OS before i open it up. So will OEM work for me when i build my computer?


I'm really not a 100% on this but I do believe OEM is the version you would put on a "blank canvis" PC. I got a version like that a few years back for really cheap and couldn't install it on my machine since it already had a previous version of windows, til I figured out I had gotten the wrong one. Even had a guy at Microsoft spell it out for me that this version was for "commercial use" in the sense that it would go on a brand new machine. Dunno if that will help.
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Hi guys,
I was planning of building a computer for Final Fantasy XIV, and was looking for some advice. I really did not want to spend more than $2,000 US. Right the computer specs that I am building is priced at Price: $2,166.00
I am going to using this computer for two main things FFXIV and watching TV/recording shows. I really want to be able run FFXIV well and not have any problems.
If anyone could tell me what I need upgrade or don’t need that would much appreciated. Or even if I can get that computer somewhere else for a better price.
I really am at a loss when comes to things like what motherboard to get or what should I get AMD processor or i7 and graphics cards. Although, some of the benchmarks that were posted were helpful!

Please open this link to see the computer I was building. http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/saved/1CMKR6
#1045 Aug 25 2010 at 7:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Just for reference, these are my basic stable OC settings for my 955:

Stock:
3.2Ghz (1.375V), 49.5C max temp.

OC:
3.8Ghz (1.425V), 52.5C max temp.
4.0Ghz (1.475V), 58.5C max temp.

Note that I'm using a liquid cooling kit (CoolIt ECO). If you're running on air, you probably won't be able to reach 4.0Ghz unless you have a really high end HSF.


To make a point for clarence and anyone else that was thinking of OCing their CPUs for the first time...cooling, cooling, cooling. Threx is running on liquid cooling. I'm running on air cooling (a decent cooler, I need to upgrade my case as it is just a tad too small for one of the monster HS's) and my max temp @ 3.8Ghz was 61.0C, so a really big difference. The max rated temp for my CPU is 62.0C so I dialed my OC back to 3.5Ghz and it's been rock stable and my max temp is right at 55.0C. So before you get too crazy with the OCing (it's fun so I know you'll eventually go crazy :P) make sure your cable management is in order for proper airflow and invest in an aftermarket cooler, because frankly OEM coolers usually suck :)
#1046 Aug 25 2010 at 7:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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I was planning of building a computer for Final Fantasy XIV, and was looking for some advice. I really did not want to spend more than $2,000 US. Right the computer specs that I am building is priced at Price: $2,166.00
I am going to using this computer for two main things FFXIV and watching TV/recording shows. I really want to be able run FFXIV well and not have any problems.
If anyone could tell me what I need upgrade or don’t need that would much appreciated. Or even if I can get that computer somewhere else for a better price.
I really am at a loss when comes to things like what motherboard to get or what should I get AMD processor or i7 and graphics cards. Although, some of the benchmarks that were posted were helpful!

Please open this link to see the computer I was building. http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/saved/1CMKR6


Looks good to me, though you want to wait for someone more tech savy to look at it as well. The only thing I can see is the RAM. 4 gigs is plenty to run FFXIV, so if you wanted to cut costs you could downgrade that.
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Didn't want to make another tech help thread so I'm gonna post this here.

Anyone know if an ASUS G72GX-RBBX05 laptop will run FFXIV alright? That's what my wife has. Here are the specs:

Windows 7 Home Premium
Intel Core 2 Duo P8700 @ 2.53Ghz
nVidia GTX 260M 1GB
17.3” Widescreen LCD 1600x900
6GB DDR2 RAM
500GB HDD
#1048 Aug 25 2010 at 8:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Does anyone on here know if a OEM copy of windows 7 will work on a custom built machine? I am nervous about opening up the copy that it wont work.
#1049 Aug 25 2010 at 8:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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Does anyone on here know if a OEM copy of windows 7 will work on a custom built machine? I am nervous about opening up the copy that it wont work.


Like a brand new copy or a recovery disc from another pc? If you have a brand new copy then you can do a fresh install. If you have the upgrade version look up clean install windows 7, there's some tricks to doing a clean install. I used the upgrade version and the double install trick I found online and it worked perfectly. The recovery disc, I'm not sure.
#1050 Aug 25 2010 at 8:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Can anyone tell me on a scale of 1 to 10 how these two would perform comparably? Would there be a huge variance in performance?

Option 1:
Processor: Intel® Core™ i7 930 Quad Core Processor (3.36GHz, 8MB Cache)
Operating System: Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit
Memory: 12GB DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz - (3x 4096MB)
Hard Drive: 1TB - SATA-II, 3Gb/s, 7,200RPM, 32MB Cache HDD
Graphics Card: Dual 1GB GDDR5 ATI Radeon™ HD 5870 Crossfire™ Enabled

Option 2:
Processor: Intel® Core™ i7 860 Processor (2.6GHz, 8MB Cache)
Operating System: Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit
Hard Drive: 1TB - SATA-II, 3Gb/s, 7,200RPM, 32MB Cache HDD
Graphics Card: ATI Radeon™ HD 5770 1.0 GB

The reason I ask is there is not a significant difference in cost? I'm trying to understand where either would perform on the benchmark. Any help is appreciated!
#1051 Aug 25 2010 at 10:11 PM Rating: Good
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BRizzl3 wrote:
Didn't want to make another tech help thread so I'm gonna post this here.

Anyone know if an ASUS G72GX-RBBX05 laptop will run FFXIV alright? That's what my wife has. Here are the specs:

Windows 7 Home Premium
Intel Core 2 Duo P8700 @ 2.53Ghz
nVidia GTX 260M 1GB
17.3” Widescreen LCD 1600x900
6GB DDR2 RAM
500GB HDD


To be honest with you the CPU is lacking a lot. You will struggle.
Download the benchmark and see exactly where it stands.
http://www.finalfantasyxiv.com/media/benchmark/na/
But I'm going to guess you'll have roughly a score between 1300-1900
And the GFX card wont be able to run the game on the high settings very well.


Kennedus wrote:
Can anyone tell me on a scale of 1 to 10 how these two would perform comparably? Would there be a huge variance in performance?

Option 1:
Processor: Intel® Core™ i7 930 Quad Core Processor (3.36GHz, 8MB Cache)
Operating System: Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit
Memory: 12GB DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz - (3x 4096MB)
Hard Drive: 1TB - SATA-II, 3Gb/s, 7,200RPM, 32MB Cache HDD
Graphics Card: Dual 1GB GDDR5 ATI Radeon™ HD 5870 Crossfire™ Enabled

Option 2:
Processor: Intel® Core™ i7 860 Processor (2.6GHz, 8MB Cache)
Operating System: Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit
Hard Drive: 1TB - SATA-II, 3Gb/s, 7,200RPM, 32MB Cache HDD
Graphics Card: ATI Radeon™ HD 5770 1.0 GB

The reason I ask is there is not a significant difference in cost? I'm trying to understand where either would perform on the benchmark. Any help is appreciated!


Option 1 is like a 8/10. will run the game absolutely fine.
Option 2 is like a 6.5/10. (not sure how much RAM you will have on it thou).
You wont really notice much of a difference IMO.
but that being said no one will be 100% sure until the game is actually out yet

Hope this helps
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