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#1302 Sep 08 2010 at 2:04 PM Rating: Decent
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kingklops wrote:
been working towards a new comp and should be ready to purchase a build by the end of the month. i'm building this computer with intense gaming in mind. i also plan to stream a lot as i play sc2 competitively. with recent price drops, so far i've decided i'm going to be running:

stock i7 950 (will consider OCing down the road)
dual hd 5870s
6gb DDR3

i'm having trouble deciding on a mobo and ram.

i'm torn between the ASUS P6X58D-E and P6X58D Premium. from what i understand it boils down to whether i want RAID function or the extra heatpipe (is this true?). if so, can anyone give me some pros & cons of the two? i'm not familiar with RAID or the extra heatpipe's function.

as far as ram goes,

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145224

seems to be the talk of the town. however, would

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145286

be more suitable for someone who has never overclocked and doesn't plan to start learning how for at least another few months? or perhaps something from gskill?

input greatly appreciated - thanks!
I'd say if you're planning on getting into overclocking in a little while, just get the Dominator set. The price difference is fairly slim. You'll be kicking yourself in a few months for not splurging the extra $20.
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#1303 Sep 08 2010 at 4:39 PM Rating: Decent
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are the stock dominator settings good then? considering i'm going to be using them stock for awhile. i don't understand RAM timings :p.
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#1304 Sep 08 2010 at 4:58 PM Rating: Decent
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At first I was thinking about buying a pre-built system from ibuypower or cyberpowerpc, however now I think I want to build my own. I dont really know all that much about the different compatibility of the different parts. So I was wondering if someone here who is more pc savvy to put a pc together based on my budget.

Budget: $900 give or take depending on taxes. I would also like a i7 processor and a gtx460 if possible in the build. I dont need a monitor, mouse, keyboard, or operating system.

Thank you in advance for any help.


newegg.com
1. i5 750 $194
2. msi h57m-ed65 $100
3. g. skill 6gb ddr3 pc3 12800 (3x2gb) $135
4. haf 922 case $90
5. western digital caviar se16 320gb $55
6. cooler master silent pro m600 $70
7. his h585fn1gd 5850 $264
8. asus 24x dvdrw drw-24b1st $20
9. shipping $18

Total: $946


Edited, Sep 8th 2010 6:59pm by pancr71
#1305 Sep 08 2010 at 9:52 PM Rating: Decent
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kingklops wrote:
been working towards a new comp and should be ready to purchase a build by the end of the month. i'm building this computer with intense gaming in mind. i also plan to stream a lot as i play sc2 competitively. with recent price drops, so far i've decided i'm going to be running:

stock i7 950 (will consider OCing down the road)
dual hd 5870s
6gb DDR3

i'm having trouble deciding on a mobo and ram.

i'm torn between the ASUS P6X58D-E and P6X58D Premium. from what i understand it boils down to whether i want RAID function or the extra heatpipe (is this true?). if so, can anyone give me some pros & cons of the two? i'm not familiar with RAID or the extra heatpipe's function.

as far as ram goes,

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145224

seems to be the talk of the town. however, would

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145286

be more suitable for someone who has never overclocked and doesn't plan to start learning how for at least another few months? or perhaps something from gskill?

input greatly appreciated - thanks!

Edited, Sep 8th 2010 2:17pm by kingklops

Edited, Sep 8th 2010 2:20pm by kingklops


Both of those look great, but as one who has never done any OC'ing and never plans too, I am going with this set... same brand and speed.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820145222

As for the MoBo, if that is the speed of RAM you want, you can go cheaper AND more reliable with the Asus Sabertooth.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131665&cm_re=asus_sabertooth-_-13-131-665-_-Product

Just my two cents.

Edited, Sep 8th 2010 11:57pm by Zoddy75
#1306 Sep 08 2010 at 11:50 PM Rating: Decent
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I realized that my crappy old desktop would never be able to run FF14, so I've been thinking of buying a new desktop to solve this issue. Currently, I'm a little indecisive about whether I should buy a computer from HP and save myself some hassle (and money), or try to rig up my own system. The HP computer that I'm looking at is the Elite 380t Series, with the following specs for only ~$1170 with video card purchase:

Intel i7-930 Processor 2.8 GHz
1GB ATI Radeon HD 5450 MSi Cyclone 460 OC GTX (1GB VRAM)
9 GB DDR3-1066MHz SDRAM [5 DIMMs]
1TB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
Generic 460W Power Supply
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Generic Integrated Sound Card

The one that I'm hoping to build (and hesitating because of the price tag) is, with a price tag of ~$1450:

ASUS P6X58D-E Motherboard (~$210)
Intel i7-930 Processor 2.8 GHz (Overclock to 3.6 GHz) (~$200)
MSi Cyclone 460 OC GTX (1GB VRAM) (~$220)
Corsair 6GB (3x2) DDR3-1600 SDRAM (PC3 12800) (~$170)
Samsung 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s HD (~$80)
XFX Black Edition 750W ATX12V PSU (~$130)
Noctua NH-D14 SSO CPU Cooler (~$90)
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (~$110)
Lowest Priced Sound Card (??)

Any recommendations? Would FF14 run significantly better on the custom overclocked computer (since HP uses its own BIOS, I won't be able to overclock the processor easily despite it being the same) compared to the HPE-380t series, or is the difference not worth the extra cost?

Also, is there a way to reduce the cost of the custom rig by a decent margin (I'm using a $45 case and a cheap keyboard) so that it's a little closer to the price of the factory-built HP Elite? ~$1450 is affordable for me, but the price is high enough for me to second-guess the decision; for the most part, I'd like to keep the i7-930 processor (purchased from MS, of course) and the 460 GTX, although I might be able to trim corners on the other components.

Edited, Sep 9th 2010 1:59am by FelynStride
#1307 Sep 09 2010 at 7:24 AM Rating: Decent
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FelynStride wrote:

The one that I'm hoping to build (and hesitating because of the price tag) is, with a price tag of ~$1450:

ASUS P6X58D-E Motherboard (~$210)
Intel i7-930 Processor 2.8 GHz (Overclock to 3.6 GHz) (~$200)
MSi Cyclone 460 OC GTX (1GB VRAM) (~$220)
Corsair 6GB (3x2) DDR3-1600 SDRAM (PC3 12800) (~$170)
Samsung 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s HD (~$80)
XFX Black Edition 750W ATX12V PSU (~$130)
Noctua NH-D14 SSO CPU Cooler (~$90)
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (~$110)
Lowest Priced Sound Card (??)



Umm...the total price comes down to 1210, not 1450.

You don't need a sound card, as your motherboard should have integrated sound.

Also, if you're gonna OC your CPU to "just" 3.6, you don't need the Noctua. Get something a bit cheaper. Besides, the Noctua is huge, and since you say you have a cheap case, I'm not sure if it will fit.

If you're not gonna add a second GPU, 700W is enough for the PSU so it should be a tad cheaper.

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#1308 Sep 09 2010 at 11:43 AM Rating: Default
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Before buying dominators you should think about what cpu cooler you will use. Personally I don't care for the tall heatsinks on that ram.

If you're willing to spend like that you should consider these Mushkin Redlines.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226121

Awesome timings and low profile heatsinks.
#1309 Sep 09 2010 at 11:45 AM Rating: Decent
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The one that I'm hoping to build (and hesitating because of the price tag) is, with a price tag of ~$1450:

ASUS P6X58D-E Motherboard (~$210)
Intel i7-930 Processor 2.8 GHz (Overclock to 3.6 GHz) (~$200)
MSi Cyclone 460 OC GTX (1GB VRAM) (~$220)
Corsair 6GB (3x2) DDR3-1600 SDRAM (PC3 12800) (~$170)
Samsung 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s HD (~$80)
XFX Black Edition 750W ATX12V PSU (~$130)
Noctua NH-D14 SSO CPU Cooler (~$90)
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (~$110)
Lowest Priced Sound Card (??)


where are you finding a stock i7 930 for only ~$200? its more like ~$300 on newegg.
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Sorry to bother u all again but would like your take on this new build from scratch. Could use anything from old computer.

So here it is

S19-4044 ::Ultra X-Blaster ATX Mid-Tower Case and DiabloTek Power Supply Bundle -400 Watt, ATX, Dual 80mm Fan, 24-Pin, SATA Ready, Black(24.92 lbs) 1 In stock, Ships within 24 hours $54.99 C

-8220 ::Corsair XMS3 TW3X4G1333C9AG 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 RAM --PC10666, 1333MHz, 4096MB (2x 2048MB), 240 Pin, Dual-Channel(0.6 lbs) 1

Radeon HD 5670 Video Card -512MB DDR5, PCI-Express 2.0, CrossFireX, DVI, VGA, HDMI(1.8 lbs)

TSD-500AAKS ::Western Digital WD5000AAKS Caviar Blue Hard Drive -500GB, 7200rpm, 16MB, SATA-300, OEM(1.55 lbs) 1

:AMD Athlon II X2 245 Dual Core Processor ADX245OCGQBOX -2.90GHz, Socket AM3, 2MB Cache, 2000MHz (4000 MT/s), Retail(0.9 lbs)

Windows. 7

A455-2883 ::ASUS M4A77TD Motherboard -AMD 770, Socket AM3, ATX, Audio, PCI Express 2.0, Gigabit LAN, USB 2.0, SATA, RAID(2.7 lbs)

Edited, Sep 9th 2010 5:27pm by Bezmir
#1312 Sep 09 2010 at 8:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Hello all, I have a question about windows 7. I read a couple of reviews saying that if you get the builders edition you can't upgrade your system, because the OS will think it is a different PC and therefore it will crash. Anyone want to elaborate a little more on this.
Thanks.

Edited, Sep 9th 2010 10:34pm by AhiraSonofEnan
#1313 Sep 09 2010 at 10:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Anyone else on Alla happen to order an Alienware M17x in the last month?
I'm still waiting on mine, and it's been almost 4 weeks?
I got some story about cooling parts on back order. I'm a little suspicious of that reason as I know a few people that have ordered them about the same time and already received them.
Getting close to the 22nd and I'm getting nervous!
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#1314 Sep 10 2010 at 1:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for the help, Threx. I've abandoned the HP idea and downgraded the CPU Cooling a bit (do I even need cooling if I stay below 4 GHz?) and tossed the sound card. I actually found Corsair 650W and 750W to only be $10 apart, so I decided to keep the 750 so that I can be open to adding another 460 later on (not too likely, but you never now when Crysis 2 will come out or something =p).

My new build is the following. I'm trying to get a computer that would run the game well even on high settings, so a lot of the specs are well above minimum (I basically only cut down on stuff that doesn't affect performance much):

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Case:
Antec 300 Illusion Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99)

Power Supply:
Corsair CMPSU-750TX 750W SLI-Ready i7 Compatible PSU ($109.99)

Motherboard:
ASUS P6X58D Premium SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Motherboard ($269.99)

Processor:
Intel i7-930 Bloomfield 3.6-4.0 GHz Overclocked ($199.99)

Volatile Memory:
Corsair XMS3 6GB 240-Pin DDR3 1600 PC3 12800 SDRAM ($164.99)

Video Card:
MSI Cyclone GTX 460 1GB Overclocked Graphics Card ($224.99) I will probably overclock the GPU as high as it can go without needing a separate cooling, given how well the 460 overclocks.

Hard Drive:
Western Digital 1.5 TB 7200 RPM SATA 3GB/s Hard Drive ($109.99 - $30 Combo = $79.99)

Monitor:
eMachines E233Hbd 23" Widescreen LCD Monitor ($159.99)

CPU Cooler:
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus Cooler ($29.99)

Optical Drive:
LITE-ON 22x DVD Writer with Lightscribe ($25.99 - $12 Combo = $13.99)

Operating System:
Windows 7 Professional 64-Bit OEM ($139.99 - $10 Combo = $129.99)

Total: $1453.89 (+$11.89 Shipping, -$50 rebate)



I have a few more questions, though, if that's alright:

1. Do I need the CPU Cooler at all if I'm only overclocking to a max of 4 GHz? If the fans on the Antec could handle that much heat (I know the GTX 460 doesn't generate much of it, so I'm guessing it's mostly in the processor), I was thinking that I might be able to get away with cutting out the cooler altogether.
2. What case would work best? I'm less familiar with the cases as I am with hardware - I'm mainly looking for a cheap case that would be able to provide decent circulation to a relatively high-end system. If it can provide enough cooling for me to forego the CPU cooler, all the better.
3. Would this rig be able to reliable run FF14 on its higher settings with a good frame rate? I know it's not two SLI cards or three XFire Radeons, but I imagined that an overclocked GTX 460 should be able to play the game with high AA and features, if not at max.
4. Are there any other suggested changes that you would recommend? I'm trying to build a relatively powerful PC and keep it to a reasonable budget, although I'm always open to ways to save money (without sacrificing too much performance) or improve the system in some way (without skyrocketing costs).

Thanks ^^.

@HorraySoysauce: I'm probably buying (or planning on) XMS3s, not dominators. I think Doms are a little too high-end for my purposes and probably not enough bang for their costs, since I'm trying to constrain costs around my processor and vcard.

Edited, Sep 10th 2010 3:43am by FelynStride
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I have a few more questions, though, if that's alright:

1. Do I need the CPU Cooler at all if I'm only overclocking to a max of 4 GHz? If the fans on the Antec could handle that much heat (I know the GTX 460 doesn't generate much of it, so I'm guessing it's mostly in the processor), I was thinking that I might be able to get away with cutting out the cooler altogether.
2. What case would work best? I'm less familiar with the cases as I am with hardware - I'm mainly looking for a cheap case that would be able to provide decent circulation to a relatively high-end system. If it can provide enough cooling for me to forego the CPU cooler, all the better.
3. Would this rig be able to reliable run FF14 on its higher settings with a good frame rate? I know it's not two SLI cards or three XFire Radeons, but I imagined that an overclocked GTX 460 should be able to play the game with high AA and features, if not at max.
4. Are there any other suggested changes that you would recommend? I'm trying to build a relatively powerful PC and keep it to a reasonable budget, although I'm always open to ways to save money (without sacrificing too much performance) or improve the system in some way (without skyrocketing costs).

Thanks ^^.


Edited, Sep 10th 2010 3:43am by FelynStride


I've been reading that if you take the 930 over 3.4ghz, it's gets pretty warm. So yeah... at 4.0ghz I would use an aftermarket cooler.

I have the Palit GTX 460 and it's running the beta pretty smoothly on "decent" settings... meaning higher than default but nowhere near max (8xCSAA and high shadows). BUT... I am running it with a Core 2 Duo E8400 at 3.0ghz. I just don't do O.C.ing...

I want to thank you for posting about the i7-930 on MicroCenter... I was about to buy the 950 on Newegg for $300... for $100 less, I think the 930 will do the job just fine :)
#1316 Sep 10 2010 at 8:55 AM Rating: Decent
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FelynStride wrote:
I actually found Corsair 650W and 750W to only be $10 apart, so I decided to keep the 750 so that I can be open to adding another 460 later on (not too likely, but you never now when Crysis 2 will come out or something =p).


If you're planning to add a second 460, go with a 850W PSU if you're overclocking. If you're not gonna overclock, 750W is fine.

FelynStride wrote:
1. Do I need the CPU Cooler at all if I'm only overclocking to a max of 4 GHz? If the fans on the Antec could handle that much heat (I know the GTX 460 doesn't generate much of it, so I'm guessing it's mostly in the processor), I was thinking that I might be able to get away with cutting out the cooler altogether.
2. What case would work best? I'm less familiar with the cases as I am with hardware - I'm mainly looking for a cheap case that would be able to provide decent circulation to a relatively high-end system. If it can provide enough cooling for me to forego the CPU cooler, all the better.
3. Would this rig be able to reliable run FF14 on its higher settings with a good frame rate? I know it's not two SLI cards or three XFire Radeons, but I imagined that an overclocked GTX 460 should be able to play the game with high AA and features, if not at max.
4. Are there any other suggested changes that you would recommend? I'm trying to build a relatively powerful PC and keep it to a reasonable budget, although I'm always open to ways to save money (without sacrificing too much performance) or improve the system in some way (without skyrocketing costs).

Thanks ^^.

@HorraySoysauce: I'm probably buying (or planning on) XMS3s, not dominators. I think Doms are a little too high-end for my purposes and probably not enough bang for their costs, since I'm trying to constrain costs around my processor and vcard.


1. No, no, no, no! If you're going to overclock the 930 to anything more than 3.2Ghz, make SURE you get an aftermarket cooler. It's not a suggestion, it's a requirement.

2. According to you, you want to OC the CPU to 4Ghz if possible and OC the GPU as high as possible. Therefore, skimping on the case is not an option, ESPECIALLY if there's a possibility of adding a second GTX 460 in the future. Trust me on this, it does get toasty inside the case. You want a good one, not a cheap one.

3. This system will not be able to play FFXIV on high settings with good frame rate. I'm also using a GTX 460 overclocked to 880Mhz, and my Phenom 955 CPU is OC'ed to 3.9Ghz. I run the game on standard settings (considered medium settings) and the game is still choppy in town. I get 15-20fps in very crowded areas in Gridania. On the open field, it's better, but you are not gonna run the game smoothly on high settings with one GTX 460, guaranteed. Of course, I'm talking about the current state of the game. It could become more optimized by retail, who knows?

4. The bottom line is you're not going to get a great system for cheap. It just doesn't work that way. You pay less, you get less. You pay more, you get more. You could just settle with the system you have now, then later you can throw in another 460 to increase performance. Or maybe you can even sell your 460 later and get two better GPUs if you have the extra money by then.

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#1317 Sep 10 2010 at 9:23 AM Rating: Good
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Sorry to bother u all again but would like your take on this new build from scratch. Could use anything from old computer.

So here it is

S19-4044 ::Ultra X-Blaster ATX Mid-Tower Case and DiabloTek Power Supply Bundle -400 Watt, ATX, Dual 80mm Fan, 24-Pin, SATA Ready, Black(24.92 lbs) 1 In stock, Ships within 24 hours $54.99 C

-8220 ::Corsair XMS3 TW3X4G1333C9AG 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 RAM --PC10666, 1333MHz, 4096MB (2x 2048MB), 240 Pin, Dual-Channel(0.6 lbs) 1

Radeon HD 5670 Video Card -512MB DDR5, PCI-Express 2.0, CrossFireX, DVI, VGA, HDMI(1.8 lbs)

TSD-500AAKS ::Western Digital WD5000AAKS Caviar Blue Hard Drive -500GB, 7200rpm, 16MB, SATA-300, OEM(1.55 lbs) 1

:AMD Athlon II X2 245 Dual Core Processor ADX245OCGQBOX -2.90GHz, Socket AM3, 2MB Cache, 2000MHz (4000 MT/s), Retail(0.9 lbs)

Windows. 7

A455-2883 ::ASUS M4A77TD Motherboard -AMD 770, Socket AM3, ATX, Audio, PCI Express 2.0, Gigabit LAN, USB 2.0, SATA, RAID(2.7 lbs)

Edited, Sep 9th 2010 5:27pm by Bezmir


If you are building that PC just for FFXIV you will not be happy with the performance as it will barely play it acceptably. If you give us your budget I am sure you will get several ideas for a system that will play the game decently.
#1318 Sep 10 2010 at 10:56 AM Rating: Decent
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Hi. I ran the benchmark and failed it badly. I was thinking of upgrading my graphics card but not sure if I would have to upgrade my processor as well or if i would just be better off getting a new rig. I dont know lots about computers but enough to get me by.
My specs are:

Operating System - Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

CPU - Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz

RAM - Total Memory 4096MB

HDD/SSD - Total Hard Drive 466GB

Graphics Card - NVIDIA GeForce 9400 GT

Any ideas on whats the best way to go about things would be much appreciated.



Edited, Sep 10th 2010 12:58pm by Zeneca2010
#1319 Sep 10 2010 at 11:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Below is the listed PC I have pieced together. The total cost is $1,168+ tax if I order it prefab from iPOWERBUY.com In truth I would like to shave off ~400$ from the price and try to keep it near 800$, but I know there's only so much you can save and still get performance.

I realy don't know anything about computers except where to turn them on, so any advice on how to improve, upgrade or downgrade these components would be appreciated. My priorities in the design is 1: Meet average FF14 specs w/o difficulty 2: Build an exclusive online gaming rig which will last ~5 years 3: Save money now and upgrade as needed later

Processor ( [== Quad Core ==] AMD Phenom™ II X4 955 Black Edition Quad-Core CPU )
Processor Cooling Liquid CPU Cooling System w/ 92mm Radiator )
Memory ( 4 GB [2 GB X2] DDR3-1600 Memory Module
Video Card ( ATI Radeon HD 5770 - 1GB - Single Card )
Video Card Brand ( Major Brand Powered by ATI or NVIDIA )
Motherboard ( Gigabyte GA-880GMA-UD2H -- AMD 880G Hybrid CrossFire Chipset w/8-ch HD Audio, Dual-Channel DDR3, Gb LAN, 2 PCI-E MB )
Motherboard USB / SATA Interface ( Motherboard default USB / SATA Interface )
Power Supply ( 550 Watt -- Standard )
Primary Hard Drive ( 1 TB HARD DRIVE -- 16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 3.0Gb/s - Single Drive )
Data Hard Drive ( None )
Optical Drive ( 24X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive - Black )
2nd Optical Drive ( None )
Flash Media Reader/Writer ( 12-In-1 Internal Flash Media Card Reader/Writer - Beige )
Sound Card ( 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard )
Network Card ( Killer 2100 Gaming Network Card )
Operating System ( Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium + Office Starter 2010)
Monitor ( 19" Widescreen LCD 1440x900 )


Thank you to everyone for all your continual help with us computer noobs!
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Honestly I only have 600.00 to play with. I don't have to play on high settings. But I want to enjoy the game. And I know that I need a hole new system. ..
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I have the problem that when i played on the highest resolutions eventually a directX error would come up and close down my game. this is the current laptop that i have.... anything i should upgrade? Not very familiarize with whats new and best out there.

Toshiba Qosmio X505-Q885 Laptop
Intel® Core™ i5-450M processor
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit)
4GB DDR3 1066MHz memory
500GB HDD (7200rpm)
1GB GDDR5 NVIDIA® GeForce® GTS 360M
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Honestly I only have 600.00 to play with. I don't have to play on high settings. But I want to enjoy the game. And I know that I need a hole new system. ..


In that case, I would try something like this:

CPU/MoBo combo - $146
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.500540

Case/HDD combo - $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.492981

PSU/RAM combo - $127
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.496050

DVD Drive - $18
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136147

GPU - $140
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102873&cm_re=5770-_-14-102-873-_-Product

OS - $100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754&cm_re=windows_7_home_premium-_-32-116-754-_-Product

This brings the total to $601. There are probably some mail in rebates and shipping costs to factor in, but that is about the best you can do on a $600 budget.

If you can squeeze even another $50-100 into your budget the first part you will want to upgrade is the PSU to a batter named brand like Corsair, and the second will be upgrading the CPU to a Phenom II X4 955. In both cases be sure to look around for combo deals.

Edited, Sep 10th 2010 4:28pm by Enscheff
#1323 Sep 10 2010 at 4:52 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm going to buy a new pc to run this game since mine is old at still single core and I would love some assistance.

Between these two PC's disregarding the video card because I currently have a GeForce 8600GT so I'll pop that into any one I get, but in terms of processor and such which of the two buys would be better:

-Intel Pentium Processor E5400 (dual core) @ 2.6Ghz processing speed, 800MHz system bus, 2MB L2 cache.
-6GB DDR2 memory
-Also says it comes with: Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X4500 Features up to 1759MB shared video memory. HDMI and DVI connectivity for connecting components. High-definition 7.1-channel audio (8-speaker configurable). Don't know if that's better than the GeForce 8600GT

or

-AMD Athlon II X2 Dual Core processor 240 (from looking online I think this is 2.8Ghz), 2MB L2 cache.
-4GB DDR3 memory

The first one would be cheaper - based on this info which one would you get?
#1324 Sep 10 2010 at 5:26 PM Rating: Good
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I'm going to buy a new pc to run this game since mine is old at still single core and I would love some assistance.

Between these two PC's disregarding the video card because I currently have a GeForce 8600GT so I'll pop that into any one I get, but in terms of processor and such which of the two buys would be better:

-Intel Pentium Processor E5400 (dual core) @ 2.6Ghz processing speed, 800MHz system bus, 2MB L2 cache.
-6GB DDR2 memory
-Also says it comes with: Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X4500 Features up to 1759MB shared video memory. HDMI and DVI connectivity for connecting components. High-definition 7.1-channel audio (8-speaker configurable). Don't know if that's better than the GeForce 8600GT

or

-AMD Athlon II X2 Dual Core processor 240 (from looking online I think this is 2.8Ghz), 2MB L2 cache.
-4GB DDR3 memory

The first one would be cheaper - based on this info which one would you get?


Sorry, but I don't think you will be playing FFXIV with that graphics card. It is extremely under powered.

Neither of those systems is oing to play FFXIV well even if you stuck a decent GPU in them.

I would buy neither if it is for FFXIV because the game will be almost unplayable with either system and that 8600GT.
#1325 Sep 10 2010 at 5:33 PM Rating: Decent
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What if I got:

-An AMD Athlon II Quad-Core processor 620
-6GB DDR3 SDRAM Memory
-2MB L2 Cache

Then I'd obviously have to invest in a new video card as well.

What about a GeForce 9600GT with 1GB

Edited, Sep 10th 2010 7:38pm by gokidrobotgo
#1326 Sep 10 2010 at 6:44 PM Rating: Decent
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I'll keep the CPU cooler in. Thanks for telling me about that - this is my first time assembling a computer, so there are a lot of things I do not know.

The case, I admit, is probably the one thing that I refuse to spend that much on. My tolerance for cases is somewhere around the $100 mark at most, and if I'm spending $200 or so on a case, I would end up wanting to invest that in, say, a 5870 instead. I was always under the impression that Antec 300 is a pretty good case, although if that's not the case, then I don't know what case I should buy.

As for the performance - the reason I wanted to get a 460GTX is because it's rumored to be a quieter, less wasteful processor with good performance. I have the budget for a 5870, although I'm not too certain ATM that buying that would be worth it in the long run. I understand that the Radeon series are currently better for running FF14, although I do plan on keeping the PC for other games in the future as well. So far, just from the benchmarks and the reviews I've read, it seems that 460 GTX has an overall better performance noting price and other factors. Thus, I'd be happy to shell out another $200 if the Radeon could really improve my performance that much overall, although I'd prefer to hold out if the performance (overall, not just in FF14) isn't that much to justify spending enough for two cards.

I have a question in regards to RAM. There's a deal on newegg where a 850W PSU can be packed with a 6GB chip for a combo discount. The memory is similar, just with slightly worse read speeds (9-9-9-24 rather than 7-8-7-20). I was just wondering - could a GPU/CPU's performance in a game be hampered by memory speeds, or does that tend to be a non-factor in most of this?

Regardless, I'm not too sure anymore whether it's worth it to upgrade to GTX480 or Radeon 5870 (or get another 460 - I've heard that FF14 isn't very SLI-compliant, although I don't know how much of that is true). I'm definitely willing to hear about performance options; the reason I stopped at $1450 wasn't because of a fixed budget as much as me believing that the current rig is adequate and because the GTX 640 (especially the MSI Cyclone version) has really positive reviews. I did get a lot of relatively expensive parts, though, like the ASUS motherboard, for the sake of performance.

Edited, Sep 11th 2010 1:24am by FelynStride
#1327 Sep 10 2010 at 7:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Okay so i was going to buy a prefab pc, but since I've been reading these forums for last couple months I've decided to build my own instead looking at trying to stay under 1k. I'm not real sure on compatibility, but from everything I've read all these items are compatible. I'd just like to get your guys 2 cents before preceding.

CPU I7-930
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0331303

MOBO ASUS SABERTOOTH
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131665

Memory Corsair (3x2G)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145259

GPU MSI GTX 465
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127504

PSU Corsair 650W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005

Hard drive Samsung 1TB 3GB/s
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

Then of course windows and a dvd drive and the normal odds and ends.


#1328 Sep 10 2010 at 8:20 PM Rating: Decent
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jobaut wrote:
Okay so i was going to buy a prefab pc, but since I've been reading these forums for last couple months I've decided to build my own instead looking at trying to stay under 1k. I'm not real sure on compatibility, but from everything I've read all these items are compatible. I'd just like to get your guys 2 cents before preceding.

CPU I7-930  
      http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0331303   
        
MOBO ASUS SABERTOOTH 
       http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131665 
        
Memory Corsair (3x2G) 
       http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145259 
         
GPU MSI GTX 465 
        http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127504 
         
PSU Corsair 650W 
        http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005 
         
Hard drive Samsung 1TB 3GB/s 
        http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185


Then of course windows and a dvd drive and the normal odds and ends.
Your Hard Drive is rated at 3 GB/s but your motherboard supports 6 GB/s. If you're fine with that, idc, just pointing that out. This Western Digital is $15 more but rated at 6 GB/s (also has a bigger cache and a better warranty, and I've always been a personal fan of Western Digital). Looks good otherwise, should perform very well.

gokidrobotgo wrote:
What if I got:

-An AMD Athlon II Quad-Core processor 620
-6GB DDR3 SDRAM Memory
-2MB L2 Cache

Then I'd obviously have to invest in a new video card as well.

What about a GeForce 9600GT with 1GB
You can do better than that. For an extra ~$100 over the price of a 9600GT 1GB you can get a GTX 460 which will absolutely obliterate the 9600 and leave you with a solid card that will last a long time.



Edited, Sep 10th 2010 9:26pm by bsphil
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#1329 Sep 10 2010 at 8:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Can someone help me discern something?

So I've used Everest for awhile, but in regards to wanting to upgrade my CPU - it tells me I have this:

Motherboard Name: Asus M2N68-LA (Narra6)

Looking that up in Google, I find this:

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&docname=c01925534&product=4032824&lang=en#N1095

Which tells me my options are these:

•AMD Phenom II X4 9xx/9xxe/8xx Quad-Core (D)
•AMD Phenom II X3 7xx/7xxe Triple-Core (H)


Now looking on New Egg, I found this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103286

Which is:

AMD Phenom 9850 2.5GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 2MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Black Edition Processor HD985ZXAJ4BGH - OEM

But then I notice a difference... in the Motherboard specs, it says 9xxe - not 9xxx. What is this E, I haven't seen anything that ends with E yet... Does this CPU fall out of the standards of the stock motherboard?

Just looking for any old Quad Core really at a reasonable price... and this thing was basically a steal if it works on my machine.

Can anyone tell me what the difference is between these? I'm not familiar enough to know.

Thanks,


PS:

I assume:

AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX

Would work, according to what I found? Or am I incorrect? That's a step up for sure - but a little over what I want to spend. FFXIV plays fine really thus far through CB and OB - I'd just feel more comfortable with a Quad Core however.
#1330 Sep 10 2010 at 8:39 PM Rating: Good
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I superfail.

Anyway, It's a AM2 socket motherboard. The Phenom 9850 is a AM2+ socket. Wiki:

Quote:
AMD confirmed that AM2 processors will work on AM2+ motherboards and AM2+ processors will work on AM2 motherboards. However, the operation of AM2+ processors on AM2 motherboards will be limited to the specifications of Socket AM2 (1 GHz HyperTransport 2.0, and one power plane for both cores and the IMC). AM2 processors do not benefit from the faster HyperTransport 3.0 and separate power planes on AM2+ motherboards.


Edited, Sep 10th 2010 9:45pm by bsphil
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Yep, just looked up the same thing after reading your edit.

Thanks for comfirming that for me though, it's important to feel confident when I buy new crap.

Thanks!


ps:

That CPU is really a steal for the price then. I've only read, not tinkered, but people have claimed clocking it to 3.3 and higher, which is quite a jump. No intention of messing with that though until I'm willing to replace again. Lots of comments about it running hot, but my case is pretty spacious and has like 5-6 side vents.

Motherboard 24 °C (75 °F)
CPU 40 °C (104 °F)

Not the best, but it's all stock and I'm running WoW windowed with a few tabs up.

Edited, Sep 10th 2010 10:54pm by EmotionBlues
#1332 Sep 10 2010 at 10:48 PM Rating: Decent
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jobaut wrote:
Okay so i was going to buy a prefab pc, but since I've been reading these forums for last couple months I've decided to build my own instead looking at trying to stay under 1k. I'm not real sure on compatibility, but from everything I've read all these items are compatible. I'd just like to get your guys 2 cents before preceding.

CPU I7-930
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0331303

MOBO ASUS SABERTOOTH
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131665

Memory Corsair (3x2G)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145259

GPU MSI GTX 465
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127504

PSU Corsair 650W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005

Hard drive Samsung 1TB 3GB/s
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

Then of course windows and a dvd drive and the normal odds and ends.




I'm getting that exact same MoBo and CPU.. the Sabertooth looks SICK! :) If you ever decide to go SLI, I would jump the PSU up to a 750watt just to be safe. You may also look at the 1600 version of the RAM... only $15 more.

About your video card... this GTX 460 card by Palit actually beats out the 465 and 470 in every test. I have it and LOVE it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814261076&cm_re=gtx_460_palit-_-14-261-076-_-Product
#1333 Sep 11 2010 at 12:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks everyone for the help.

I got more money for the computer, Only a total of 700.00 but came up with this.

AMD Athlon II X4 640 Propus 3.0GHz Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor ADX640WFGMBOX
Item #: N82E16819103871 105.99

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL
Item #: N82E16820231277 91.99

EVGA 768-P3-1360-TR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 768MB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
Item #: N82E16814130562 169.99

ASUS M4A88TD-V EVO/USB3 AM3 AMD 880G SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
Item #: N82E16813131646 119.99

Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Item #: N82E16822136073 54.99

LOGISYS Computer Area 51 CS51WBK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 480W Power Supply
Item #: N82E16811148030 34.99

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
Item #: N82E16832116754 99.99

Dynatron DB1206SPG PCI Slot Case Cooler
Item #: N82E16835888602 4.99

Total:682.92
#1334 Sep 11 2010 at 8:16 AM Rating: Decent
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For your video card, you may want to get more psu power.
Power calculator: http://educations.newegg.com/tool/psucalc/index.html

You should also drop the dynatron and go with a 120mm rear exhaust fan.

Edited, Sep 11th 2010 10:22am by pancr71
#1335 Sep 11 2010 at 1:39 PM Rating: Good
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There is no way that PSU will power that system. For a truly budget build you need to be looking at combo deals from Newegg. Take a look at the reply I made to your original post for some good combos.
#1336 Sep 11 2010 at 1:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Item #: N82E16811148030 34.99
This is not remotely accurate. Splurge and get a 650W-750W PSU from a good brand name like Corsair or Thermaltake or Zalman or Antec.
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#1337 Sep 11 2010 at 4:22 PM Rating: Decent
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I've done a bit of research, and it seems that GTX series cards seemed to under-perform quite a bit in the benchmark for FF14. Coupled with the fact that FF14 doesn't seem to support DX11 (one of the main advantages of GeForce), and thus bench higher scores on Radeon, and I ended up building a new upgraded system:


Antec Three Hundred Illusion Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ($69.99)
CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-850HX 850W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
eMachines E233Hbd Black 23" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor

ASUS P6X58D Premium LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Intel i7-930 Bloomfield Processor
XFX HD-587X-ZNFC Radeon HD 5870 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
OCZ Gold 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Voltage Desktop Memory Model OCZ3G1600LV6GK

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1501FASS 1.5TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus CPU Cooler
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
LITE-ON 22X DVD Writer Black IDE Model iHAP422-98 LightScribe Support

Total Cost: ~$1,570 after MIR


Would this be enough to run FF14 well on high settings? If I bought this system, would I end up kicking myself later on for not choosing a SLI GTX460 with the $400 when more DX11-compatible games (possibly with Tesselation, etc) come out, or should the 5870 be able to handle those just fine? My main concern was due to articles and reviews like this one, which was what made me wanted to buy a GTX460 in the first place.

Also, is XFX a decent brand for Radeon 5870? I purchased their card because it retailed cheaper than the other brands at $350 after MIR (and gave me an additional $25 discount in combo with OCZ Gold memory), although I don't want to find out, later on, that they have an underwelming fan or anything to that respect.

Edited, Sep 11th 2010 6:44pm by FelynStride
#1338 Sep 11 2010 at 4:51 PM Rating: Decent
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This forum has been uber and it has definitely made me see things I hadn't really thought about. So just like everyone else (well mostly everyone lol), I've been anticipating the FFXIV release. I plan next year to build a new pc from the ground up, but for now, I just wanted to sup what I had to be able to play this on release date.

This was my original setup.

Mobo: M2N-SLI DELUXE
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ 2.2Ghz
GPU: GeForce 7900 GSOC
RAM: 1-2GB + 2-1GB DDR2
OS: Vista Home Premium 32Bit

This gave me a blank FFXIV benchmark lol. So began my upgrading. Being a computer noob, I purchased an ATI Radeon HD4650 and 2-2GB 800Mhz RAM.

Result: Low: 1182
High: 412 (super choppy)

So began doing actual research, and upgraded my CPU to a AMD Phenom II X4 945 3.0Ghz.

Result: low: 1260
High: Didn't bother trying

So today I went out and purchased a new GPU, went out looking to pick up a cheap HD4850, and ended up coming back with an HD5770. After a hard time getting it to work this is my current build.

Mobo: M2N-SLI Deluxe
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 945 3.0Ghz
GPU: ATI Radeon HD 5770
RAM: 2-2GB 800MHZ DDR2
OS: Vista Home Premium 32 Bit

FFXIV Benchmark:
Low: 3818
High: 2458

All I know is that getting my PC ready to play FFXIV has definitely increased my knowledge of PC's and how to upgrade **** properly 10 fold. Anyways just wanted to post what I did to get my PC ready.

However since I don't plan on building a top of the line PC up from scratch till next year, I was wondering if purchasing Windows 7 64 bit now would help improve the benchmark scores at all. I know that my 32bit Vista is holding me back with capping my RAM at 4GB.
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#1339 Sep 11 2010 at 6:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Not sure if this is against the rules, but I see people linking products and suggestions all of the time, so I wanted to give it a try. I built the Even Match computer that was in the original topic and have it up on ebay. Tom's Hardware was were the computer parts were suggested, http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/overclock-cpu-gpu,2655.html

http://cgi.ebay.com/Custom-AMD-Phenom-II-X4-QuadCore-ATIcrossfire-Gaming-PC-/280560879987?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item4152bb4973

Runs the beta great, and maybe I could save someone the hassle of building a computer if they aren't very knowledgeable in the area of computer parts. College starts for me soon so I wont have more time to play it, want it to go to a good home.
#1340 Sep 11 2010 at 9:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Well... you gotta love Micro Center! I reserved my i7-930... and went to go pick it up. I got back in the car and looked in the bag... and the box said i7-950. No joke... I examined the actual CPU and yep... they screwed up. I just got an Intel i7-950 for $199 plus tax. :)

SO now that ya'll hate me... I have a question. I checked a couple of PSU calculators and it says I need 850w to go SLI with the Nvidia GTX 460? Even on Tom's Hardware with the $2,000 build, they are still using a 750w PSU and are using dual high end GPU's. I'd rather save the $20-30 and get a 750w if I can...

EDIT: OK I checked a couple of websites, including the Nvidia SLI Zone and the 650w version of the PSU I am buying is certified for SLI, as is the 750w... so I think I am good with the 750w.

Edited, Sep 11th 2010 11:53pm by Zoddy75

Edited, Sep 12th 2010 12:20am by Zoddy75
#1341 Sep 12 2010 at 12:14 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm sure this is a question frequently asked but I'm hoping some genntle soul can push me in the right direction for answers...

I just finished building my new rig this week:

CPU: Core i7 950
MOBO: Gigabyte X58A-UD3R
RAM: Crucial Ballistix Tracer 6GB kit (2GBx3)
HDD1: 1.5TB Samsung Spinpoint F2
HDD2: 1.5TB Samsung Spinpoint F2
GPU: 2x Nvidia Geforce 1GB Asus GTX460
CASE: SilverStone Raven series RV02 Black ATX Tower Case with Window
PSU: Antec Truepower New 750W
ODD: Lite-On Super 24 x AllWrite SATA DVD Re-Writer IHAS324
CPUHSF: Noctua NH-U12P SE2

After updating all of the drivers and before OC'ing any components I ran the FFXIV benchmark to get a baseline of where I was at. I was pretty dissapointed by the scores however: After 3 cycles the average for each were: High: 2530 and Low: 4612.

Before overclocking my rig, is there anything else I need to consider to boost these scores? For a brand new build I expected more :(
#1342 Sep 12 2010 at 12:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Hello everyone, I just wanted to ask a quick question on which upgrade I should be looking forward to first for my computer.


Currently my specs are:

Amd Athlon 64 x2 3.0 ghz
4gb Ram
Nvidia 250 gts 1gb


I can run around outside town on low settings with about 35-40 fps. When i hit towns though my fps drops to around 10-15.

I am looking to buy the Amd phenom II x4 965 3.4ghz and a GTX 460. I was just wondering which one I should go for first to get as much of an increase in performance as I can get.

It is notable that changing resolution also does not increase or decrease my fps, does this mean that my video card is not causing as much of a problem as my 3.0 dual core?

Thanks in advance folks.

Edited, Sep 12th 2010 2:29am by FXYO

Edited, Sep 12th 2010 2:29am by FXYO
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Astarataru wrote:
I'm sure this is a question frequently asked but I'm hoping some genntle soul can push me in the right direction for answers...

I just finished building my new rig this week:

CPU: Core i7 950
MOBO: Gigabyte X58A-UD3R
RAM: Crucial Ballistix Tracer 6GB kit (2GBx3)
HDD1: 1.5TB Samsung Spinpoint F2
HDD2: 1.5TB Samsung Spinpoint F2
GPU: 2x Nvidia Geforce 1GB Asus GTX460
CASE: SilverStone Raven series RV02 Black ATX Tower Case with Window
PSU: Antec Truepower New 750W
ODD: Lite-On Super 24 x AllWrite SATA DVD Re-Writer IHAS324
CPUHSF: Noctua NH-U12P SE2

After updating all of the drivers and before OC'ing any components I ran the FFXIV benchmark to get a baseline of where I was at. I was pretty dissapointed by the scores however: After 3 cycles the average for each were: High: 2530 and Low: 4612.

Before overclocking my rig, is there anything else I need to consider to boost these scores? For a brand new build I expected more :(


You need to understand that the benchmark is windowed, and will only use one video card. That is about right for a single GTX 460, as it is considered one of the middle-to-low recommended cards. Only the fullscreen game can use both GPU's. You should be golden once the retail version hits. :)
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Currently my specs are:

Amd Athlon 64 x2 3.0 ghz
4gb Ram
Nvidia 250 gts 1gb


I was just wondering which one I should go for first to get as much of an increase in performance as I can get.


Likely your CPU. However, if you're going with the 965, make sure your motherboard supports socket AM3.
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#1345 Sep 12 2010 at 11:30 AM Rating: Good
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Astarataru wrote:
I'm sure this is a question frequently asked but I'm hoping some genntle soul can push me in the right direction for answers...

I just finished building my new rig this week:

CPU: Core i7 950
MOBO: Gigabyte X58A-UD3R
RAM: Crucial Ballistix Tracer 6GB kit (2GBx3)
HDD1: 1.5TB Samsung Spinpoint F2
HDD2: 1.5TB Samsung Spinpoint F2
GPU: 2x Nvidia Geforce 1GB Asus GTX460
CASE: SilverStone Raven series RV02 Black ATX Tower Case with Window
PSU: Antec Truepower New 750W
ODD: Lite-On Super 24 x AllWrite SATA DVD Re-Writer IHAS324
CPUHSF: Noctua NH-U12P SE2

After updating all of the drivers and before OC'ing any components I ran the FFXIV benchmark to get a baseline of where I was at. I was pretty dissapointed by the scores however: After 3 cycles the average for each were: High: 2530 and Low: 4612.

Before overclocking my rig, is there anything else I need to consider to boost these scores? For a brand new build I expected more :(


EDIT: I'm going to double-check the facts a bit. Just came across another article where the same person was able to run FF14 at consistent 60 fps on an empty field with what amounts to a single GTX460, so it might only be the benchmark after all. Just realize, though, that a SLI GTX 460 WILL score lower than a single 5850, and the in-game performance will not always account for this.

It is true, however, that GTX score lower on the benchmark than corresponding Radeon cards (high 4k ~ low 5k easily on 5870, usually high 3k ~ mid 4k on GTX 480).


EDIT: Bought a Radeon 5870. I'm just sincerely hoping that I won't regret not getting a GTX 460 later on when more CUDA-supported or more DX11-reliant games come out.

Edited, Sep 12th 2010 3:32pm by FelynStride
#1346 Sep 12 2010 at 3:51 PM Rating: Decent
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ok, so right now with my setup on low i am getting a 2400 benchmark score and i wanna get it higher. I have 200 bucks to spend so just curious on what you think i should upgrade to.

System Specs-

processer- AMD Phenom x3 8450 Tri-Core 2.10 GHz
Ram- 4GB ddr2
OS- Vista SP2 64-bit
Graphics-Nvidia 9800gt 512mb
Chipset- AMD 780G
Power- 600 Watt power supply

Also, i can get Windows 7 Professional (x64) for free cause of where i go to school. Do you think its worth having to reinstall everything to upgrade? is it going to run better?
#1347 Sep 12 2010 at 7:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Question...

Would a mobo with standard memory support DDR3 2000(O.C.) / 1333 / 1066 and a set of A-DATA Gaming Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) be compatible?

mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131646
ram http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211409
#1348 Sep 12 2010 at 7:54 PM Rating: Decent
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My main observation from this thread is that people seem to think that a lot more PSU power is needed than is actually necessary.

650W from a decent company (Corsair) for a standard i7 build with a top end graphics card, HDD's and fans is fine, maybe even for SLI. 750 is all you need unless you're breaking records or have crazy amounts of **** in your PC.
#1349 Sep 12 2010 at 8:23 PM Rating: Decent
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FFLink wrote:
My main observation from this thread is that people seem to think that a lot more PSU power is needed than is actually necessary.

650W from a decent company (Corsair) for a standard i7 build with a top end graphics card, HDD's and fans is fine, maybe even for SLI. 750 is all you need unless you're breaking records or have crazy amounts of sh*t in your PC.


I'm happy to read this, as I just got a 750w PSU for my new setup. I haven't been researching this aspect of the PC as much as the rest, but noticed that hardware guides never used more than a 750, even in high end SLI and Crossfire builds. Thanks!
#1350 Sep 12 2010 at 8:29 PM Rating: Decent
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No problem at all.
#1351 Sep 12 2010 at 8:41 PM Rating: Decent
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any opinions on my post?
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