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#1402 Sep 16 2010 at 10:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Well i found this forum after i ordered my parts so.I intend to use them to play FFXIV and all the games that comes out for PC because i play them firs on PC and im waiting for DCUniverse too.Parts are:
CPU
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition $140
CPU Cooler
Zalman CNPS8000 $0
Motherboard
Biostar A780L3G Socket AM3 AMD Micro ATX $60
Ram
New OCZ Gold 4GB DDR3 1333 PC3 10666 $90
PSU
Cool Master Extreme 500W $40
Video Card
His Radeon HD 5770 IceQ5 1Gb GDDR5 PCeX 2.1 $120
HDD
80Gb Seagate $0
160Gb Western Digital $0
LG DVD RW Sata $0
PCI Sata Card $0

I sold all the component i replace for $280 so i relly spend $170.
All the other component i use the ones i already had like HDD,Case and so on.

So what do you guys think?
Is there room for essential improvement?

Edited, Sep 17th 2010 2:16am by darkdhanil
#1403 Sep 17 2010 at 7:18 AM Rating: Decent
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RoXors45 wrote:
Just a quick question about my current PC. Alienware Area-51 I got a few years back.

Running Intel Core 2 X6800 @ 2.93 GHZ.

Also running the nVidia 9850 GTX, but im planning on buying the GTX 460 and upgrading tio 4GBs of ram. My concern is my processor. will I be ok? Totally appreciate the help guys (and girls). ^^


Your CPU is fine. If you can, overclock it a bit and it rivals the Phenom 955. Your weak point is definitely your video card, so that's the first thing I would upgrade if I were you.

Edited, Sep 17th 2010 9:11am by Threx
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Hey this is my first post, was thinking about upgrading my computer and didn't know if anyone had any suggestions.

I ran the benchmark on high and got a 2,600...

My specs are as follows

MOBO - Intel DX38BT (My RAM only performs at 1066... everytime i try to set it to 1333 the **** thing crashes and i have to reset on the motherboard to previous settings... I'm thinking about a MOBO/Processor deal mostly.)
Processor - Intel Core 2 Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00 GHZ
RAM - 4GB Patriot DDR3
Video Card - Sapphire Radeon 4870 with 1 gbddr5 http://www.eworldsale.com/sapphire-100259-1gl-radeon-hd-4870-1gb-gddr5-pci-e-20-x16-hdcp-ready_8632_27420.html (that one I believe)

Im running windows 7 x64.

I wasn't sure if it would be worth it to upgrade anywhere, I was thinking that a quad core might be a good idea, and maybe a new motherboard because this one seems to be a bit of a pain. Also considering getting two Radeon 5550's for $95 a piece but I wasn't sure if it was an upgrade over the Sapphire radeon 4870 HD.

Any input would be greatly appreciated.


Edited, Sep 16th 2010 11:40pm by defiantmac


Your video card isn't bad at all. I'd definitely recommend you to upgrade the CPU first.
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#1405 Sep 17 2010 at 8:08 AM Rating: Decent
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This is the current setup I am looking at, from Newegg. I was told on their forums that SLi wasnt supported yet for XIV and the Fermi cards arent running it well b/c of the drivers.

The setup was originally for 2x gtx480s. I think with the radeon 5970, I may need less cooling?


The 5970 is a video card that uses two processors on the same card, which means it's technically similar to running SLI/Crossfire.

If the game doesn't support SLI/Crossfire, then it won't be able to use both processors of the 5970. It will only use one, which will give you the performance of a 5850.

However, I have no doubt that the retail version of the game will support multi GPUs. You -shoud- be safe going with SLI.
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#1406 Sep 17 2010 at 8:10 AM Rating: Decent
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darkdhanil wrote:
Well i found this forum after i ordered my parts so.I intend to use them to play FFXIV and all the games that comes out for PC because i play them firs on PC and im waiting for DCUniverse too.Parts are:
CPU
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition $140
CPU Cooler
Zalman CNPS8000 $0
Motherboard
Biostar A780L3G Socket AM3 AMD Micro ATX $60
Ram
New OCZ Gold 4GB DDR3 1333 PC3 10666 $90
PSU
Cool Master Extreme 500W $40
Video Card
His Radeon HD 5770 IceQ5 1Gb GDDR5 PCeX 2.1 $120
HDD
80Gb Seagate $0
160Gb Western Digital $0
LG DVD RW Sata $0
PCI Sata Card $0

I sold all the component i replace for $280 so i relly spend $170.
All the other component i use the ones i already had like HDD,Case and so on.

So what do you guys think?
Is there room for essential improvement?

Edited, Sep 17th 2010 2:16am by darkdhanil


This already looks fine. However, if you plan on overclocking and/or adding a second video card in the future or upgrading to a much more powerful video card later, I recommend getting a bigger PSU.

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#1407 Sep 17 2010 at 9:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Well what do you think about a Ultra LSP 750W PSU $81
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Well what do you think you're going to do in the future?
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#1410 Sep 17 2010 at 5:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Well guys like u said, in the future i intend to keep upgrading so i got a Ultra 750w PSU and the motherboard i change the Biosar for a Gygabite 880GM-UD2H that the specs seems hardcore lol.
#1411 Sep 17 2010 at 7:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Your CPU is fine. If you can, overclock it a bit and it rivals the Phenom 955. Your weak point is definitely your video card, so that's the first thing I would upgrade if I were you.



Well that's a relief. Anyone have a nice link I can use to overclock my CPU? I have yet to overclock one so I'd like not to ***** it up :)

As for the GPU, I ordered a PNY nVIdia GTX 470 and 2 more sticks of RAM.
Here's what I'm looking to run this:

Core 2 DUO 2.93ghz Extreme X6800
Asus P5N32 SLI Deluxe SE MOBO
750 watt ATX 2.0 24p PSU
nVidia GTX 470
4GB DDR2 PC-6400 RAM

I'm really hoping to just plug in the GPU and start playing. Will I be alright guys? Any help is very much appreciated. God help me, but I'm losing sleep over whether this is going to run it.

Edited, Sep 17th 2010 9:59pm by RoXors45
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Your CPU is fine. If you can, overclock it a bit and it rivals the Phenom 955. Your weak point is definitely your video card, so that's the first thing I would upgrade if I were you.



Well that's a relief. Anyone have a nice link I can use to overclock my CPU? I have yet to overclock one so I'd like not to ***** it up :)

As for the GPU, I ordered a PNY nVIdia GTX 470 and 2 more sticks of RAM.
Here's what I'm looking to run this:

Core 2 DUO 2.93ghz Extreme X6800
Asus P5N32 SLI Deluxe SE MOBO
750 watt ATX 2.0 24p PSU
nVidia GTX 470
4GB DDR2 PC-6400 RAM

I'm really hoping to just plug in the GPU and start playing. Will I be alright guys? Any help is very much appreciated. God help me, but I'm losing sleep over whether this is going to run it.

Edited, Sep 17th 2010 9:59pm by RoXors45


You should get mid 3k range with that setup on the benchmark. Smooth at default settings and maybe even a little higher. The CPU is going to bottleneck you, as this game supports quad core. Too bad there aren't many games that do, right now. With a benchmark score of 3200, I was playing the beta pretty well and it looked real nice. You should do fine :)
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JUST FINISHED building my new PC... and what's the first thing I do? Run the Benchmark... haha. This is what scored me a 5060 on low setting. Still updating drivers and all (though this IS with the latest Nvidia driver)

MoBo: Asus Sabertooth X58... LOVE this thing. Freakin rock solid and ****. Caution though... NO IDE legacy connections... lol
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16813131665

CPU: Intel i7-950 3.06GHz... Got this for a steal at Micro center for $200... they thought they were selling me the 930 edition. I didn't even realize it until I was in the car.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115211&cm_re=i7-950-_-19-115-211-_-Product

RAM: CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820145222

GPU:Palit GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) Sonic Platinum Overclocking Edition 1GB... LOVE this card. Check the reviews. It beats out cards that cost $100 more.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814261076&cm_re=palit_gtx_460_sonic-_-14-261-076-_-Product

PSU: XFX Black Edition 750W SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply... EXCELLENT PSU.... seriously. Top quality.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207003&Tpk=xfx%20750

As long as you already have a good case and drives, this will run you right about $1,000. Not a bad deal, in my humble opinion. In a few months I'll go SLI and get me a HD monitor to actually fully enjoy this setup...

Edited, Sep 18th 2010 4:59am by Zoddy75
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JUST FINISHED building my new PC... and what's the first thing I do? Run the Benchmark... haha. This is what scored me a 5060 on low setting. Still updating drivers and all (though this IS with the latest Nvidia driver)

MoBo: Asus Sabertooth X58... LOVE this thing. Freakin rock solid and ****. Caution though... NO IDE legacy connections... lol
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16813131665

GPU:Palit GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) Sonic Platinum Overclocking Edition 1GB... LOVE this card. Check the reviews. It beats out cards that cost $100 more.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814261076&cm_re=palit_gtx_460_sonic-_-14-261-076-_-Product


I hate motherboards with no IDE connectors. Makes me unable to plug in some older stuff when I need to. :(

If you're an overclocker, let me know how far you're able to OC the Palit. I'm using the exact same card, and the highest I'm able to get it is 880/2200 stable on Furmark. The thing runs hot as **** compared to other 460s.

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Just to thank you guys, this post is awesome, I got some much information in it!
just by reading it:
- I noticed my PC would never run FF14 (bought it almost 3years ago and didn't pay THAT much for it so I was afraid of that, but didn't think I would be so far lol)
- got enough information about current cpu/gpu and the rest to get a good sense of what I needed
- bought a new PC 30min ago (from a japanese website, was pretty tough to do tbh, but at least I knew what I was looking for thanks to you guys

- was a semi-customizable one so i expect the power supply, cooling system and such to be appropriate with the main items

got basically
inte core i5 650 @3.2ghz (a comment on front page said for a budget it was good, loved it ^^). scoring ~3k on passmark.
Geforce GTX 460
4x2 GB of DDRAM3 (dual-channel only)
HD 500mb
the usual crap to go with it (except monitor), some of it may actually be decent (especially power supply and motherboard since it was a gamer dedicated website from akiba... but I don't know much)
got win 7 too, glad to get rid of vista.

the whole lot for slightly less than 100k yen so about 1100-1200 usd.

any comment on the price? (I dont have much choice to be honest, Japan is expensive XD)

I should be able to play with in decent condition with that hopefully ^^.

PS: I could have upgraded the CPU to intel core i7 875k @2.93ghz for 18k yen (200 usd), should i have? I felt the price upgrade was really expensive for the gain, but I could be wrong XD.

anyway, thanks a lot to you guys!





#1416 Sep 18 2010 at 5:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Hey guys, I plan to buy the following build:

EDIT: I plan to buy this after 2 months, so will there be any new processors/graphics cards models coming soon that will perform better than those listed below?

Motherboard
Asus Sabertooth X58

Processor
Intel Core i7-950 3.06 GHz

Memory
Crucial 6GB DDR3-1333 Triple-Channel Kit3 x 2GB (6GB Total), CAS 9-9-9-28

Graphics
GeForce GTX 470 GPU at 607 MHz

Hard Drive
Samsung Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB, 7,200 RPM, 32MB Cache, SATA 3 Gb/s

Optical
Lite-On Blu-ray Disc Combo Model iHES208-08 8X BD-ROM, 12X DVD-ROM DL, 16X DVD±R

Case
Antec Three Hundred Illusion

Power
SilverStone DA750 750W Modular ATX12V 2.2, EPS12V 2.91, 80-Plus Silver

CPU Cooler
Prolimatech Megahalems Rev.B

CPU Fan
Scythe Slip Stream SY1225SL12LM-P

Now I have a question regarding the cooling/fans, shall I stick with the above options if I am going to do slight overclocking to the CPU and GPU or shall I opt for something like Liquid cooling? Also, for Liquid Cooling do I have to replace anything within it every period or not?(I'm totally noob to this lol, like do I have to replace the liquid thingy in it?)

Last question is if I'm getting this monitor:
LG E2350V-SN Glossy Black 23" 5ms Full HD HDMI LED Backlight LCD monitor Slim Design 250 cd/m2 DC 5,000,000:1
Do I have to get two GFX cards and put them into SLI or will only one GTX470 be enough to handle?

Thanks a lot in advance! ^,^


Edited, Sep 18th 2010 7:53am by Sheetan
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Sheetan wrote:
Hey guys, I plan to buy the following build:

EDIT: I plan to buy this after 2 months, so will there be any new processors/graphics cards models coming soon that will perform better than those listed below?

Processor
Intel Core i7-950 3.06 GHz

Graphics
GeForce GTX 470 GPU at 607 MHz

CPU Cooler
Prolimatech Megahalems Rev.B

CPU Fan
Scythe Slip Stream SY1225SL12LM-P

Now I have a question regarding the cooling/fans, shall I stick with the above options if I am going to do slight overclocking to the CPU and GPU or shall I opt for something like Liquid cooling? Also, for Liquid Cooling do I have to replace anything within it every period or not?(I'm totally noob to this lol, like do I have to replace the liquid thingy in it?)

Last question is if I'm getting this monitor:
LG E2350V-SN Glossy Black 23" 5ms Full HD HDMI LED Backlight LCD monitor Slim Design 250 cd/m2 DC 5,000,000:1
Do I have to get two GFX cards and put them into SLI or will only one GTX470 be enough to handle?


I'm not sure if there are any CPUs and GPUs coming out within a few months that have much better bang-for-your-buck. But even if not, prices for what you have planned should drop at least a bit.

Any cooler is fine if you're doing just slight overclocking.

As for liquid coolers, if you're going with a "real" liquid cooling system, you have to refill the liquid from time to time. If you're going with an "enclosed" liquid cooling system (like the Corsair H50), you don't have to do anything.

I'm not sure what you mean by whether your GPU can handle your monitor. If you meant whether your GPU can handle playing the game on the max res your monitor supports (1080p), then your GPU might be fine, depending on your graphics settings in the game. With medium settings, you should be fine. Don't expect smooth sailing if you crank the graphics up to max though.



Edited, Sep 18th 2010 8:35am by Threx
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Threx wrote:
Zoddy75 wrote:
JUST FINISHED building my new PC... and what's the first thing I do? Run the Benchmark... haha. This is what scored me a 5060 on low setting. Still updating drivers and all (though this IS with the latest Nvidia driver)

MoBo: Asus Sabertooth X58... LOVE this thing. Freakin rock solid and ****. Caution though... NO IDE legacy connections... lol
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16813131665

GPU:Palit GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) Sonic Platinum Overclocking Edition 1GB... LOVE this card. Check the reviews. It beats out cards that cost $100 more.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814261076&cm_re=palit_gtx_460_sonic-_-14-261-076-_-Product


I hate motherboards with no IDE connectors. Makes me unable to plug in some older stuff when I need to. :(

If you're an overclocker, let me know how far you're able to OC the Palit. I'm using the exact same card, and the highest I'm able to get it is 880/2200 stable on Furmark. The thing runs hot as **** compared to other 460s.



I don't really believe in overclocking... but I MIGHT push the CPU up a tad. GPU... we'll see. It's already overclocked compared to other 460's, so I will probably leave it alone. And yeah... luckily I had just bought a SATA DVD drive recently, or else I would have been in trouble with the MoBo. Haha :)

Edited, Sep 18th 2010 1:01pm by Zoddy75
#1419 Sep 18 2010 at 1:01 PM Rating: Decent
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i wanted to say thanks to the people that have put their time into helping people out here. i have an couple year old pc and my wife wants to play ffxiv. im very novice to computers, as i pretty much use it just for the internet and music. ive read the the guide and such but its slightly overwhelming. i downloaded cpu-z and heres my specs.

intel core 2 duo e4500@ 2.200
socket 775 LGA
intel chipset p35/g33/g31
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DDR2 dual channels 2048mb
nvidia Geforce 8300 gs 128mb

is it worth it to upgrade this pc? im not expecting a 5000 benchmark. i just want it to play decent. maybe middle of the road if possible. i ran the benchmark for her and it was like 100 :/ if someone could please point me in the right direction, would be much appreciated.


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You're probably gonna wanna revamp that whole system TBH.

Your CPU is right above the minimum requirement, 2gb of ram is relatively weak. There are plenty of good deals going on around such as a Radeon 5500 for $45 (you could get 2 for $90 and run crossfire.)

I would probably go on newegg.com and look for a motherboard/cpu combo and choose a video card and ram according to what you find with your cpu/mobo combo and at a price range you're comfortable with.

You could get a bunch of new parts relatively cheap but it depends on what you're looking to spend.
#1421 Sep 18 2010 at 6:36 PM Rating: Decent
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im not against spending money, im just hoping to get good value out of it. if im going to spend a 300 and the pc is hardly able to support the game, i guess i would be more apt to use the 300 towards something that can play the game. would it be fair to say a 3000 benchmark is a decent enough score to play without lag? is it possible to get this rig up that high? thanks for your time..
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SiCcWitIt wrote:
im not against spending money, im just hoping to get good value out of it. if im going to spend a 300 and the pc is hardly able to support the game, i guess i would be more apt to use the 300 towards something that can play the game. would it be fair to say a 3000 benchmark is a decent enough score to play without lag? is it possible to get this rig up that high? thanks for your time..


3000 should be fine for what you are expecting. Wait until the game comes out and play at the low resolution and turn most things off. If it is unplayable, then repost and measure people's responses.

*Edit when/if you do upgrade, start with the video card. I just saw your other post sorry.



Edited, Sep 18th 2010 9:30pm by Parsalyn
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I've been looking at this thread for the last 2+ hours and hopping around on Newegg like mad. Being a Mac user, I don't really mess around with the PC, but I'd like something decent to run FFXIV and (lol) The Sims 3 on. Here's what I've settled on for a pc upgrade (I already have a case, optical drives, HD, two HD 25" monitors) under $600:

CPU: AMD Phenom II x4 955 BE
*with*
Mobo: MSI 870-G45 (together $199.98)

RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws 4GB (2x2GB)
*with*
PSU: Antec EarthWatts EA650W (together $156.98)

GPU: MSI Nvidia GTX 460 768MB ($179.99)

With combo deals and junk, my total right now is sitting at $536.95, so I have a little wiggle room.

Questions: Did I do good? Would you add anything? If I upgrade in the future, I'll go with a different mobo, more powerful PSU, etc. I was planning to just keep Win XP SP3 running, but I realize the RAM limitations. Should I really go with Win 7?
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With that extra $80 get a 5850, you can find them for 260 on new egg.
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With that extra $80 get a 5850, you can find them for 260 on new egg.
5850 isn't that much better than the 460. Definitely not $80 better.
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#1426 Sep 19 2010 at 1:04 AM Rating: Decent
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I originally made a separate topic but,
Brought this over here as I realized the Guide also includes suggestions on upgrades.. thanks!

Hello,

Wondering if I could get some opinions on what to upgrade on my cpu to help performance. I plan on doing two upgrades (one now and one around Christmas). I'm not an expert and I am trying to figure out what I should replace first to have the most noticable improvements. My system specs are below with some questions afterwards - Taking this information off a benchmark application I ran:

System Information:

Windows Vista Home Edition (64-Bit)
EVGA nForce 680i SLI Motherboard (122-CK-NF68)
Power Supply: 750W

CPU Information:

Intel Core2 6600 @2.4 GHz

Memory Information:

Total Physical Memory (6141 MB RAM)
Available Physical Memory (4857 MB RAM)
OCZ Platinum 4 Gigabyte (667 MHz)
OCZ Gold 2 Gigabyte (667 MHz)
Virual Memory (6441 MB)

Video Adapters:

Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260
Memory: 896MB
Monitor 1: 1920x1200x32 (60Hz)


So there are my specs - High Resolution i get a score of 2291 Low Resolution I get 2656 on the FFXIV Benchmark video.

I am trying to figure out what needs to be changed here. I had some thoughts but I don't know what is the best thing to do. I was looking to spend no more than $500 at this portion of the upgrade.

I found a Motherboard/CPU bundle I liked:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5519&CatId=4139

This brings me right to $500. Could I use my existing memory here? It's DDR2 I'm not sure if I can put in 4 sticks 2x2GB and 1x2GB on a DDR3 Motherboard...

The other thought was just to upgrade my processor and memory to 8GB and 800Mhz (I think 667MHz is kinda slow)

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4621250&CatId=2758
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4631346&CatId=3412 - x2

I was also wondering if I should get Windows 7 or is Vista ok - does it make a difference?

I originally thought of getting a better video card, but I think at this point I've reached a bottleneck somewhere with my CPU or Memory Speeds? Any suggestions? Thanks!




Edited, Sep 19th 2010 3:05am by bruschijr
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.501338

Costs basically the same price but has an i7-950 instead of a 930.

DDR2 RAM will not fit into a DDR3 socket.

The Q8400 certainly isn't a bad processor either though if you're trying to stay on a budget. I probably wouldn't bother upgrading the RAM though, it's a pretty big investment for not much increase in performance. Try not to spend too much money upgrading to old technology. Keep in mind that while you're saving some money now, you're just going to want to replace it in a year or two anyway because you didn't get that much of a boost in performance in the first place. The i7-950 just dropped in price like $200 because the new Sandy Bridge model CPUs are coming out this winter.

Vista I've never really liked. 7 cleans up the performance from Vista decently. I ended up downgrading to XP when Vista came out (was preloaded on a new PC), then upgraded to 7 when the RC came out. Your call if you want to spend the money on it.

Your GPU is fine, the 260 is definitely not a bottleneck.

Edited, Sep 19th 2010 2:35am by bsphil
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For any potential monitor consumers, I would just like to recommend the following: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236052 combined with-http://www.amazon.com/Datacolor-DC-S3X100-Spyder-Express/dp/B0037255LC/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top.

Just a random info post but I cant recommend that combination high enough. Asus is throwing strikes as of late. Felt the need to give them random props for continued outstanding products :) that is all
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For any potential monitor consumers, I would just like to recommend the following: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236052 combined with-http://www.amazon.com/Datacolor-DC-S3X100-Spyder-Express/dp/B0037255LC/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top.

Just a random info post but I cant recommend that combination high enough. Asus is throwing strikes as of late. Felt the need to give them random props for continued outstanding products :) that is all


Waoh... never heard of that Spyder product. I'm in the market for a new monitor. I'm gonna have to check this out.... thanks!
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Yep its really nice. Ive put more time and effort than you can imagine calibrating my Sammy TV to get the oil painting look going for it. I'm very proud of my TV. Just for comparison, I stopped using that spyder on my comp for a month. Just completely reinstalled everything and put it back on getting ready for the launch. For 5 mins of work, I would make a large sum bet that this is better than my sammy. Its the goods
#1431Kkes, Posted: Sep 19 2010 at 9:32 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Uhghh talk about making things complicated.
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System Information:

Windows Vista Home Edition (64-Bit)
EVGA nForce 680i SLI Motherboard (122-CK-NF68)
Power Supply: 750W

CPU Information:

Intel Core2 6600 @2.4 GHz

Memory Information:

Total Physical Memory (6141 MB RAM)
Available Physical Memory (4857 MB RAM)
OCZ Platinum 4 Gigabyte (667 MHz)
OCZ Gold 2 Gigabyte (667 MHz)
Virual Memory (6441 MB)

Video Adapters:

Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260
Memory: 896MB
Monitor 1: 1920x1200x32 (60Hz)


So there are my specs - High Resolution i get a score of 2291 Low Resolution I get 2656 on the FFXIV Benchmark video.

I am trying to figure out what needs to be changed here. I had some thoughts but I don't know what is the best thing to do. I was looking to spend no more than $500 at this portion of the upgrade.



Your video card is fine. The CPU definitely needs to be upgraded.
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I've been looking at this thread for the last 2+ hours and hopping around on Newegg like mad. Being a Mac user, I don't really mess around with the PC, but I'd like something decent to run FFXIV and (lol) The Sims 3 on. Here's what I've settled on for a pc upgrade (I already have a case, optical drives, HD, two HD 25" monitors) under $600:

CPU: AMD Phenom II x4 955 BE
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Mobo: MSI 870-G45 (together $199.98)

RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws 4GB (2x2GB)
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GPU: MSI Nvidia GTX 460 768MB ($179.99)

With combo deals and junk, my total right now is sitting at $536.95, so I have a little wiggle room.

Questions: Did I do good? Would you add anything? If I upgrade in the future, I'll go with a different mobo, more powerful PSU, etc. I was planning to just keep Win XP SP3 running, but I realize the RAM limitations. Should I really go with Win 7?



Everything already looks good here. It's pretty much the system I'm using myself. If you're planning to add a video card in the future, I'd recommend a bigger PSU. With two 460s, I recommend a 750W PSU.
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so a new grapics card and more memory will get me to 3000 benchmark, with this set up? Any suggestions are much appreciated.

intel core 2 duo e4500@ 2.200
socket 775 LGA
intel chipset p35/g33/g31
memory type
DDR2 dual channels 2048mb
nvidia Geforce 8300 gs 128mb

#1437 Sep 19 2010 at 3:56 PM Rating: Good
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Threx wrote:
bruschijr wrote:
System Information:

Windows Vista Home Edition (64-Bit)
EVGA nForce 680i SLI Motherboard (122-CK-NF68)
Power Supply: 750W

CPU Information:

Intel Core2 6600 @2.4 GHz

Memory Information:

Total Physical Memory (6141 MB RAM)
Available Physical Memory (4857 MB RAM)
OCZ Platinum 4 Gigabyte (667 MHz)
OCZ Gold 2 Gigabyte (667 MHz)
Virual Memory (6441 MB)

Video Adapters:

Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260
Memory: 896MB
Monitor 1: 1920x1200x32 (60Hz)


So there are my specs - High Resolution i get a score of 2291 Low Resolution I get 2656 on the FFXIV Benchmark video.

I am trying to figure out what needs to be changed here. I had some thoughts but I don't know what is the best thing to do. I was looking to spend no more than $500 at this portion of the upgrade.



Your video card is fine. The CPU definitely needs to be upgraded.


Actually your setup is very similar to mine. I get a 2500 benchmark on high and 3500 on low. A new cpu is not going to give you a lot more numbers unless you can get a really fast 4 core beast that is compatible with your motherboard. Here are my specs.

Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64bit (build 7600)
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9300 @ 2.50GHz (4 cores)
4 gigs ddr2
DirectX Version DirectX 11
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260
1920 x 1080

Open Beta:
Most things turned off except textures in game.

I average about 30 FPS.

If I upgrade I am either going to go SLI with a gtx 260 or get one of those 470 cards.

Edited, Sep 19th 2010 5:58pm by Parsalyn
#1438 Sep 19 2010 at 4:40 PM Rating: Decent
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so a new grapics card and more memory will get me to 3000 benchmark, with this set up? Any suggestions are much appreciated.

intel core 2 duo e4500@ 2.200
socket 775 LGA
intel chipset p35/g33/g31
memory type
DDR2 dual channels 2048mb
nvidia Geforce 8300 gs 128mb
You'll definitely need a better GPU, more RAM couldn't hurt but if you're on XP it's probably not a huge issue. The processor is going to still be a huge bottleneck as well.
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Hey Guys,

I was using a GTX 260 but recently bout a 460. My question is, should I use both these cards or just stick with the single 460.

Thanks,
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I was using a GTX 260 but recently bout a 460. My question is, should I use both these cards or just stick with the single 460.

Thanks,
You can't run two different cards in SLI, has to be two 460s or two 260s. I believe ATI's crossfire can, though, as long as they're in the same family of models.



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SiCcWitIt wrote:
so a new grapics card and more memory will get me to 3000 benchmark, with this set up? Any suggestions are much appreciated.

intel core 2 duo e4500@ 2.200
socket 775 LGA
intel chipset p35/g33/g31
memory type
DDR2 dual channels 2048mb
nvidia Geforce 8300 gs 128mb



Honestly, you'd need a new graphics card and CPU to get 3000. Just upgrading one won't get you there. No matter how much memory you add.
#1442 Sep 19 2010 at 10:04 PM Rating: Good
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Hey Guys,

I was using a GTX 260 but recently bout a 460. My question is, should I use both these cards or just stick with the single 460.

Thanks,


First do some research into this and then, apply this general knowledge after searching a LOT of people who tried this.

Place the 460 in the top slot of your motherboard, and the 260 in the 2nd slot as the "2nd device". Do NOT apply the hardware or anything to make it "SLI". Then go into the nvidia control panel and make the 260 do the physics operations. In this setting, you are not SLI, but the 260 is handling the physics of the game. The 460 would handle everything else. I wish I could post something more substantial, but that is all I know so far. Good luck and read up!
#1443 Sep 20 2010 at 1:11 PM Rating: Decent
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SiCcWitIt wrote:
so a new grapics card and more memory will get me to 3000 benchmark, with this set up? Any suggestions are much appreciated.

intel core 2 duo e4500@ 2.200
socket 775 LGA
intel chipset p35/g33/g31
memory type
DDR2 dual channels 2048mb
nvidia Geforce 8300 gs 128mb



Honestly, you'd need a new graphics card and CPU to get 3000. Just upgrading one won't get you there. No matter how much memory you add.



ok thanks for the reply. Do you have any suggestions on what i should get?

Edited, Sep 20th 2010 3:16pm by SiCcWitIt
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SiCcWitIt wrote:
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SiCcWitIt wrote:
so a new grapics card and more memory will get me to 3000 benchmark, with this set up? Any suggestions are much appreciated.

intel core 2 duo e4500@ 2.200
socket 775 LGA
intel chipset p35/g33/g31
memory type
DDR2 dual channels 2048mb
nvidia Geforce 8300 gs 128mb



Honestly, you'd need a new graphics card and CPU to get 3000. Just upgrading one won't get you there. No matter how much memory you add.



ok thanks for the reply. Do you have any suggestions on what i should get?

Edited, Sep 20th 2010 3:16pm by SiCcWitIt


Without changing motherboards... You would either want the Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 for $170 (my previous CPU and is AMAZING), or spend another $100 and get the Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550.

Video card... I can't praise the Nvidia GTX 460 enough. Great video card for the price. I have the Palit 1GB Overclocked Edition for $250, but you can find them as cheap as $180 for the 768MB versions. Using my video card and the E8400, I ran a 3200 on the bench with Windows 7 and 4GB RAM. Can't tell ya how much better the Core 2 Quad would do... probably not $100 worth.

That's my two gil. ;)
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The GTX 460 is indeed a nice GPU. But I think it would be better to recommend certain upgrades if we knew his budget first. ;) That way we could recommend a CPU+GPU combination that would give him his best bang for the buck. :)
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New build in the works possibly

Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor
I Will OC to 3.80 at least, dont really see the reason to get an I-7 for HT as games do not use it >.> Dont plan to SLI atm. Why pay $100 more for HT for a gaming system?

ASUS P7P55D-E Pro LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard Seems like i can do all my CPU OC right here :P

MSI N460GTX CYCLONE 1GD5/OC GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card Reviews show this card runs very cool at stock and normal with OC, was 1st going to get the Palit brand but read it ran very hot.

A-DATA Gaming Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Well its memory with good reviews :D

Mushkin Enhanced 550150 650W ATX12V SLI Ready Modular Active PFC Power Supply
PSU should be enough to handle system?


Comments are welcome, decent FPS do you think?



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Just wanted to say thank you to everyone who contributed to this thread.

I built my first computer, wiring is a little messy, I was unsure at times that I had everything connected...but in the end, it boots up and everything is being installed now ^^

Graphics: nvdia GTX 470
CPU: I7-950
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ran the benchmark and got 4801 on Low 3466 High
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Okay, so I posted a question that my computer wouldn't turn on after I installed a new 650W PSU a while ago. At people's suggestion, I requested an RMA and got another brand new PSU yesterday. I installed it, thinking it would solve all my problem, and voila! The computer did nothing...The exact same thing happened like last time: motherboard power light flashed once, and that was it. No fan nor CPU activities whatsoever. I had my office's IT guy look at it, and he couldn't figure it out. I called the tech support, and they couldn't figure it out. FFXIV starts in 2 days and I couldn't get my upgrades working...I'm literally at wit's end, and I'm seriously thinking about kidnapping any ZAM tech guys living close to my home, so he can help me fix the **** thing!

Oh btw, my PC is a Dell Studio XPS if that's any help. I researched online to see if they have proprietary PSU but couldn't get any definitive answer, mostly just speculations. So if any of you work at Dell, or Corsair, or are just an all-around computer genius, please help this poor soul to reach max-graphic-setting nirvana~! Thank you.
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Okay, so I posted a question that my computer wouldn't turn on after I installed a new 650W PSU a while ago. At people's suggestion, I requested an RMA and got another brand new PSU yesterday. I installed it, thinking it would solve all my problem, and voila! The computer did nothing...The exact same thing happened like last time: motherboard power light flashed once, and that was it. No fan nor CPU activities whatsoever. I had my office's IT guy look at it, and he couldn't figure it out. I called the tech support, and they couldn't figure it out. FFXIV starts in 2 days and I couldn't get my upgrades working...I'm literally at wit's end, and I'm seriously thinking about kidnapping any ZAM tech guys living close to my home, so he can help me fix the **** thing!

Oh btw, my PC is a Dell Studio XPS if that's any help. I researched online to see if they have proprietary PSU but couldn't get any definitive answer, mostly just speculations. So if any of you work at Dell, or Corsair, or are just an all-around computer genius, please help this poor soul to reach max-graphic-setting nirvana~! Thank you.


The problem could be anything, really. I think that it might be your CPU or motherboard if the situation is that the system refuses to even boot.

If you know someone who uses a same socket CPU as yours, try borrowing it to see if it can boot your system. Also, try installing your CPU into his system and make sure your CPU is fine. If your system still doesn't boot, then there's a good chance it's your motherboard. You may want to try RMAing your motherboard if that's still possible at that point.

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New build in the works possibly

Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor
I Will OC to 3.80 at least, dont really see the reason to get an I-7 for HT as games do not use it >.> Dont plan to SLI atm. Why pay $100 more for HT for a gaming system?

ASUS P7P55D-E Pro LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard Seems like i can do all my CPU OC right here :P

MSI N460GTX CYCLONE 1GD5/OC GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card Reviews show this card runs very cool at stock and normal with OC, was 1st going to get the Palit brand but read it ran very hot.

A-DATA Gaming Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Well its memory with good reviews :D

Mushkin Enhanced 550150 650W ATX12V SLI Ready Modular Active PFC Power Supply
PSU should be enough to handle system?

Comments are welcome, decent FPS do you think?


650W should be fine, even when overclocking both the CPU and GPU.

The Palit 460 does indeed run significantly hotter than most other 460s. At 880/2200 1.062V, my Palit peaks at 90C on Furmark (non extreme burning) with 75% fan speed and 27C room temperature. I think the only 460 brand that is hotter than Palit is Inno3D.

Your system will likely give you "decent" fps, but it will probably still be pretty choppy inside town. My CPU (Phenom 955) is OCed to 3.9 and it's quite a bit choppy inside town.

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Okay, so I posted a question that my computer wouldn't turn on after I installed a new 650W PSU a while ago. At people's suggestion, I requested an RMA and got another brand new PSU yesterday. I installed it, thinking it would solve all my problem, and voila! The computer did nothing...The exact same thing happened like last time: motherboard power light flashed once, and that was it. No fan nor CPU activities whatsoever. I had my office's IT guy look at it, and he couldn't figure it out. I called the tech support, and they couldn't figure it out. FFXIV starts in 2 days and I couldn't get my upgrades working...I'm literally at wit's end, and I'm seriously thinking about kidnapping any ZAM tech guys living close to my home, so he can help me fix the **** thing!

Oh btw, my PC is a Dell Studio XPS if that's any help. I researched online to see if they have proprietary PSU but couldn't get any definitive answer, mostly just speculations. So if any of you work at Dell, or Corsair, or are just an all-around computer genius, please help this poor soul to reach max-graphic-setting nirvana~! Thank you.


It probably won't do anything, but is it possible you can take a picture of the inside of your computer and post it up?

Another question, most of the MB has a light on it and when the switch behind the psu is turn on, it will light up. Is that light on or no light at all?
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