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#102 Jul 03 2010 at 11:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Decent purchase or no?


Would have to upgrade video card
#103 Jul 03 2010 at 11:43 AM Rating: Decent
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I'd have serious reservations about the video card. My 4650 w/512 MB couldn't get past 885 (low res) on a similar computer.


Thanks that was just a rough draft kind of build. I came up with another build that I'm for looking comments on.

The specs are...

AMD Phenom II X4 925 Deneb 2.8GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Processor HDX925WFGIBOX

HIS H485FM512H Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
#104 Jul 03 2010 at 11:50 AM Rating: Decent
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Mikhalia wrote:
Kyoshindi wrote:
I was afraid of that, I had a feeling too. I just had to hear it for it sink in, thanks.

I had planned on saving up and upgrading to an i7 next fall, but that seems a bit much now. Going by what your saying would 4-5k be more manageable pushing my current rig to it's limit? I have thought about upgrading to i7, but to be honest that would have to come out of my new 5.0 Stang fund.

Sadly, as much as I enjoy gaming and keeping current on tech, the quarter mile runs get the bigger slice of the pie.



Well, a Core i5 Quad and a 5870 would give a slight performance, so if you don't mind shelling out a couple hundred for a moderate boost, you could. But if you have been considering i7, I would just wait and get that. I personally don't see a point in getting an i5 if you're planning to get an i7 anyway, but don't let me talk you out of spending money if you really want to :) Ditto for the 5870; you'd need at least that to take a step up, and if you're going to step up from where you are, you might as well just go all the way and get a 5970 or Fermi (or wait till the next revision till the prices on these go down and new cards come out and make your decision then).

Your system should be more than ample; any upgrades to it are fluff.

Again, I'm not going to talk you out of spending money if you really want to, but you're at the point where you have only two steps up to go: A good bid of money for a little more performance, and a LOT of money for the best performance.

And if you're gonna upgrade; @#%^, go for the gold.


Thanks, I'll probably just pick up a 5870 for now then. Maybe two if I find a good enough deal before September. Think I'll have to hold out another year before I I'm willing to spend that kind of cash on an i7 extreme upgrade. Let the prices fall a bit.

My PC is my main form of entertainment. Granted I only play a hand full of games on it. I do however watch movies, TV, all my media converting is done on it. ****, I don't even have cable or satellite. Just pay for the overpriced yet decent internet speeds. So I don't mind dropping in a bar of gold occasionally to sustain it.

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#105 Jul 03 2010 at 11:55 AM Rating: Decent
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I was originally planning to upgrade my pre-built pc all-around: MB, PSU, video card, water cooling, and now that I think about it, a processor (for the record, the case is really big). However, I anticipated a release closer to the holiday season, so I'm a little caught off guard; in other words, I only have the money to upgrade the video card I so despretely need to upgrade. And instead, I'll upgrade much of my computer in winter/spring of 2011. Maybe I'll finally even attempt to build a PC as I've been trying to educate myself on the manner, or at the least customize a pc. I've never been tech-literate, been just a gamer in this regard. However, all of that stuff won't come until later, and I want a PC to perform somewhat comfortablely on low settings until then if possible.

Stats:

Windows vista 64 bit
8GB DDR2 ram
Intel core 2 Q8200
Geforce Gt 120
PSU 400 watt

As you can see the video card is complete crap. On score chart, it scored only 389. On the FFXIV benchmark I ran a 900+, so I feel that I have a shot maybe with a card upgrade, and that's why I'm here for an opinion.

I was looking at the Geforce 9600 GT ( http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_9600gt_us.html ) which scored 928.

I'm not sure of what's most important in a card (I would love an explanation if anyone was willing by the way): cuda cores, graphics clock, texture fill rate, memory, memory bandwidth, processor clock, memory interface width etc. However, it's clear this would be a HUGE leap from the GT 120 ( http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gt_120_us.html )

They make a 59 watt version with min 300 PSU. Although, they also make a 96 watt version with 400 PSU min. However, I was guessing this might cause issues with a 400 PSU since it would only meet the min, so would a 59 watt version would be the way to go in my circumstances?

Also, I'm willing to hear suggestions, Geforce and Radeon, that fit within my current PC as is.

With this upgrade might I boost my score as much as 1000-1500 to reach the 2000-2500 range since my current card is so awful to begin with? Again, I only want the upgrade to make my game playable until I can really upgrade my PC.

And thanks for all the info that has come before my post too. It's been most helpful.
#106 Jul 03 2010 at 12:24 PM Rating: Decent
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SolidMacke wrote:
Hey guys, Question: In building my PC I have decided not to buy a monitor and just go with my 56" Sony Bravia HDTV. Now I asked in another topic that if there may be any unforseen (by me) problems if I choose this route and I got a solid no. But now, googling some stuff regarding building a new PC, I come across this response to someone buying a 24" monitor with resolution 1920 X 1200:


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Are you sure you want a 1920x1200 monitor if you're going to be gaming? Driving a monitor at that high a resolution takes lots of oomph, and running LCD monitors at other than their native resolution results in a big quality hit.


Now my question is if that monitor takes a lot of "oomph" would my TV hold? I know I sound like such a noob, that's because I am lol - This is the build I'm going with so far:

CPU - AMD Athlon II x4 (2.8 GHz)
GPU - Radeon 5770
RAM - 4 GB (2 x2GB)
PSU - 650W - 700W (haven't decided yet)
etc. etc.

Any downsides?

EDIT: Also wondering how do you overclock a CPU? is it possible with the Athlon x4? and wth is a heatsink/thermal adhesive?? thank ya.


As for your first question my main display is 38" Samsung LCD HDTV. Very rarely I might lug out my rig to the 50" Samsung Plasma, both B650 series. I have yet to experience any issues running an HD4870. Granted you need to keep 120/240hz mode off other wise you'll end up with a headache. Someone more knowledgeable on your card choice could probably chime in. I also run them at a full 1080. My rig Benchmarked 4178 @720 on my 38" Samsung. My sys spec's are posted earlier if it help give you a better idea. I'm also running a Core 2 Quad and not an i5.

As for CPU over clocking, yes it's possible with the Anthon as with most chips. First off, the Heatsink is basically the radiator for your CPU. The Thermal paste is what you apply between the top of the chip and which the Heatsink sits upon. It acts to provide a conduit for the heat to efficiently transfer from the chip to the Heatsink and thus removed from the CPU.

When you purchase your CPU it will come boxed together with a stock Heatsink & fan. Most of the time that's enough, but if you want to try your hand and O/C I suggest an aftermarket cooler. When you O/C a chip you are going into the bio's and tinkering with the voltage levels and such. There's plenty of online sources to educate yourself before hand. Just get to googling and read up a bit. It's all about finding the balance between heat & stability. The more extreme the over clock the more cooling you'll need. Most chip's can be mildly O/C without worrying to much. Also, some motherboards/CPU are more difficult than other to O/C.

Do a little research and welcome to the fun of tweaking your system.
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#107 Jul 03 2010 at 1:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Thank you Kiyoshindi for your help, appreciate it. I will have to look into overclocking, this stuff is pretty sweet, never ever got into building my own PCs but now that FFXIV has (almost) forced my hand its actually interesting stuff.

P.S. wish the mods would sticky this thread, its the one I've been coming to with almost all my questions and a lot of people seem to have questions regarding building a new rig now.

Edited, Jul 3rd 2010 3:17pm by SolidMack
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SolidMack wrote:
CPU - AMD Athlon II x4 (2.8 GHz)
GPU - Radeon 5770
RAM - 4 GB (2 x2GB)
PSU - 650W - 700W (haven't decided yet)
etc. etc.

Any downsides?

EDIT: Also wondering how do you overclock a CPU? is it possible with the Athlon x4? and wth is a heatsink/thermal adhesive?? thank ya.


Looks okay. I'm not an expert on overclocking so I'd have to defer to someone else on that. A heatsink is the thing that looks like a radiator that attaches to the CPU; it allows the heat to dissipate (and the fan cools it) so your CPU doesn't explode. Thermal compound is something that one would use to coat the CPU prior to installing a heatsink. Many heatsinks will come with some compound already applied; if you're going to overclock, you may want to buy a bigger heatsink and better thermal compound, but the stuff that comes with the processor is fine if you don't. Thermal compound allows for the CPU and heatsink to stick together more firmly and allows heat to transfer better.

Sephrick wrote:
If you could upgrade the 5570 to a 5770 or a GTX in the customization options, do it. It will increase the price, but will be worth it.

I doubt the price would change too much in three months. If anything, it wouldn't go -up-. At worst it would be the same. At best, it -could- do down but I can't predict the future.



Sorry to keep bugging, but this is the first I've come across knowledgeable people. I did a little more shopping and came across a machine online at Best Buy for $899 which I'd be willing to stretch for that has:

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Intel Core i5 3.2 GHz
8GB Ram DDR3
GeForce GT220 1024 MB (dedicated)
1TB HDD SATA 7200 RPM


Decent purchase or no?[/quote]

As I said; GTX 2xx/4xx or Radeom 48xx/57xx/58xx/59xx. The GT 220 probably won't cut it, or would be lucky to run the game on the lowest possible settings.

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Thanks, I'll probably just pick up a 5870 for now then. Maybe two if I find a good enough deal before September. Think I'll have to hold out another year before I I'm willing to spend that kind of cash on an i7 extreme upgrade. Let the prices fall a bit.

My PC is my main form of entertainment. Granted I only play a hand full of games on it. I do however watch movies, TV, all my media converting is done on it. ****, I don't even have cable or satellite. Just pay for the overpriced yet decent internet speeds. So I don't mind dropping in a bar of gold occasionally to sustain it.

My little Cave...


Very nice. I'd take a picture of my console area but it's nowhere near as good as that.

TraceKoldKut wrote:
I was originally planning to upgrade my pre-built pc all-around: MB, PSU, video card, water cooling, and now that I think about it, a processor (for the record, the case is really big). However, I anticipated a release closer to the holiday season, so I'm a little caught off guard; in other words, I only have the money to upgrade the video card I so despretely need to upgrade. And instead, I'll upgrade much of my computer in winter/spring of 2011. Maybe I'll finally even attempt to build a PC as I've been trying to educate myself on the manner, or at the least customize a pc. I've never been tech-literate, been just a gamer in this regard. However, all of that stuff won't come until later, and I want a PC to perform somewhat comfortablely on low settings until then if possible.

Stats:

Windows vista 64 bit
8GB DDR2 ram
Intel core 2 Q8200
Geforce Gt 120
PSU 400 watt

As you can see the video card is complete crap. On score chart, it scored only 389. On the FFXIV benchmark I ran a 900+, so I feel that I have a shot maybe with a card upgrade, and that's why I'm here for an opinion.

I was looking at the Geforce 9600 GT ( http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_9600gt_us.html ) which scored 928.

I'm not sure of what's most important in a card (I would love an explanation if anyone was willing by the way): cuda cores, graphics clock, texture fill rate, memory, memory bandwidth, processor clock, memory interface width etc. However, it's clear this would be a HUGE leap from the GT 120 ( http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gt_120_us.html )

They make a 59 watt version with min 300 PSU. Although, they also make a 96 watt version with 400 PSU min. However, I was guessing this might cause issues with a 400 PSU since it would only meet the min, so would a 59 watt version would be the way to go in my circumstances?

Also, I'm willing to hear suggestions, Geforce and Radeon, that fit within my current PC as is.

With this upgrade might I boost my score as much as 1000-1500 to reach the 2000-2500 range since my current card is so awful to begin with? Again, I only want the upgrade to make my game playable until I can really upgrade my PC.

And thanks for all the info that has come before my post too. It's been most helpful.


I suggest, as I have suggested to everyone, GTX 2xx/4xx or Radeom 48xx/57xx/58xx/59xx. Anything lower than that and I can't guess how well it will run the game, if at all. The minimum requirements suggested a 9600 which can run 80-100ish; I strongly advise dropping another $50 on a 4850 or a 5770. Think about it this way: If you spend $100 on a card now and $150 on a card later, that's $250, and you have a 9600 you can't do much with anymore. Whenever you're upgrading, always try to go as high as you can reasonably afford; if an extra $30-50 will get you a significant performance increase, it's almost always worth it because it will be that much longer before you have to upgrade that part again, which saves you money in the long run. Processor is decent and should be okay. You could consider upgrading it in the future for better performance.
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#109 Jul 04 2010 at 12:30 AM Rating: Default
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SolidMack wrote:
Hey guys, Question: In building my PC I have decided not to buy a monitor and just go with my 56" Sony Bravia HDTV. Now I asked in another topic that if there may be any unforseen (by me) problems if I choose this route and I got a solid no. But now, googling some stuff regarding building a new PC, I come across this response to someone buying a 24" monitor with resolution 1920 X 1200:

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Are you sure you want a 1920x1200 monitor if you're going to be gaming? Driving a monitor at that high a resolution takes lots of oomph, and running LCD monitors at other than their native resolution results in a big quality hit.


Now my question is if that monitor takes a lot of "oomph" would my TV hold? I know I sound like such a noob, that's because I am lol - This is the build I'm going with so far:

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Edited, Jul 3rd 2010 8:14am by SolidMack


Here's a bit of info that might be helpful to your TV/monitor question.

The required "oomph" you speak of is only determined by screen resolution. You would get the same performance on a 23" as you would a 56" if they both have a resolution of 1920x1200.

That said, it'd be very helpful if you were to find your TV's supported resolutions. That way you can kind of see what you're getting into. Resolutions in the 1920xNNNN range and above are going to be pretty taxing on most systems. I'm not quite sure if that's exactly what you were asking, but I hope it helps.

Edited, Jul 4th 2010 2:40am by Rhysen
#110 Jul 04 2010 at 6:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm trying to help upgrade a friend's PC to play this, but as I'm finding I knew less than I thought I did, I'll toss out the specs I remember and see what you guys make of it.

Vista
Intel 2.4ghz (x2)
2GB RAM
GeForce 7950 GT
(said he got roughly a 900 on the benchmark)

Can just the RAM and video card be upgraded? That was the initial recommendation I was going to make, but I'll listen to people who know more.

(sorry if this is off-topic, but thanks for any help)
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#111 Jul 04 2010 at 6:40 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm trying to help upgrade a friend's PC to play this, but as I'm finding I knew less than I thought I did, I'll toss out the specs I remember and see what you guys make of it.


You can get all the needed information from running the DXDIAG commands from [Start] -> [Run]. Maybe your friend can run it and email the results to you?
#112 Jul 04 2010 at 10:21 AM Rating: Default
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I'm trying to help upgrade a friend's PC to play this, but as I'm finding I knew less than I thought I did, I'll toss out the specs I remember and see what you guys make of it.

Vista
Intel 2.4ghz (x2)
2GB RAM
GeForce 7950 GT
(said he got roughly a 900 on the benchmark)

Can just the RAM and video card be upgraded? That was the initial recommendation I was going to make, but I'll listen to people who know more.

(sorry if this is off-topic, but thanks for any help)


This depends largely on the motherboard. It's very important that you find which version of the 7950 GT he's using. If I remember correctly, there's both an AGP and a PCI-Express version floating around. If it's a PCI-Express card, then you're good to go with a video card upgrade. If it's an AGP, you'll need to get a new motherboard if you want to make any type of meaningful upgrade to the video card.

As for the RAM, from what I've seen it'll almost always be safe to put 2x2 GB into any modern motherboard, but a few boards throw a fit if you try to use 4x1 GB, assuming his board has 4 RAM slots. You'd probably have to find out if it's DDR2 or DDR3 that he's using, but CPUs like his (if it's the one I'm thinking of) usually use DDR2 in their boards.

To be as safe as possible, it'd probably be best to follow rubina's advice and run DXDIAG on his computer to find his exact specs. If it's an Intel Core 2 Duo, it's pretty safe to assume DDR2 RAM, but I have seen boards that use C2D with DDR3, so best to be safe before making any purchases.

That said, what kind of performance is your friend expecting? From what I've seen in benchmark results, people usually cap out at around 2500 on LOW when using dual core on good days.
#113 Jul 04 2010 at 11:28 AM Rating: Good
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With FF XIV and Cataclysm coming, and my 2003 dinosaur computer half-dead already (AGP motherboard, Win XP, Pentium 4, GeForce4 440MX (still playing FFXI with excellent graphics as well as still being "able" to 25-man in WoW)), I've been also to buy a significantly more powerful computer.

I've been browsing around Dell's Online Shop and found that for 1,499$:

Studio XPS 9000
Intel X58
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English
Intel® Core™ i7-920 processor(8MB L3 Cache, 2.66GHz)
12GB Tri-Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1066MHz - 6 DIMMs
ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB GDDR5
1TB 7200 RPM SATA Hard Drive
(and other more or less revelant stuff)


Been juggling around wheter buying it or not. It's a bit a chunk of money, though I really do wonder if that kind of setup can at least be viable for around 5 years. Also I am a bit worried about voltage (it comes with a 475 Watts) and temperature and cooling(fan power) issue. I do not want to hold some power inside while the other pieces just "overheat".

I do have some other questions, but they'll probably come as I get some feedback on this.
#114 Jul 04 2010 at 12:06 PM Rating: Good
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Also, I'd like to know if anybody can suggest things that could be lessen. I don't necesserly need to max anything. Just to have FFXIV playable with a good and smooth regular definition would be also alright. I do guess, though, that lowering what I wrote above would reduce the viablitity of the PC for a couple year. Just need to know if, in any case, there's cheaper options.

By the way, sorry about the thread, I've read almost everything written today, but my recalling and schematizing abilities aren't quite good about computers.
#115 Jul 04 2010 at 12:31 PM Rating: Default
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With FF XIV and Cataclysm coming, and my 2003 dinosaur computer half-dead already (AGP motherboard, Win XP, Pentium 4, GeForce4 440MX (still playing FFXI with excellent graphics as well as still being "able" to 25-man in WoW)), I've been also to buy a significantly more powerful computer.

I've been browsing around Dell's Online Shop and found that for 1,499$:

Studio XPS 9000
Intel X58
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English
Intel® Core™ i7-920 processor(8MB L3 Cache, 2.66GHz)
12GB Tri-Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1066MHz - 6 DIMMs
ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB GDDR5
1TB 7200 RPM SATA Hard Drive
(and other more or less revelant stuff)


Been juggling around wheter buying it or not. It's a bit a chunk of money, though I really do wonder if that kind of setup can at least be viable for around 5 years. Also I am a bit worried about voltage (it comes with a 475 Watts) and temperature and cooling(fan power) issue. I do not want to hold some power inside while the other pieces just "overheat".

I do have some other questions, but they'll probably come as I get some feedback on this.


Wow, I smell catastrophe with only 475 Watts. You're definitely right to be worried about that! I'm thinking at LEAST 620 Watts from a reputable manufacturer to safely run that system.

Other than that, it's a decent value IMO. I was thinking the price was a bit steep at first, but then I forgot that it comes with an OS and a HDD, which I usually never count since I have them available.

You can definitely tone down the RAM if it's allowed. There's no way a game's going to need 12GB of RAM at this point in time. I'd say 4GB is more than enough at this point. You could possibly add more if there's ever a need for more. However, 4GB appears to be the sweet spot for RAM in today's gaming.

As for longevity, this system is nothing to scoff at. The i7 920 is a great piece of hardware, easily capable of hitting over 4 GHz. The 5870 is currently one of the strongest single GPU cards out today. I would say with your willingness to run things at reasonable settings, you'll easily be playing games for the next 3 years with it, probably more, but that's just my humble opinion :)

Edited, Jul 4th 2010 2:48pm by Rhysen
#116 Jul 04 2010 at 1:03 PM Rating: Good
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Do you have recommendations on Power Supplies to replace Dell's ?
#117 Jul 04 2010 at 1:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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Do you have recommendations on Power Supplies to replace Dell's ?


I'd be careful putting in 3rd party hardware into a prebuilt machine. Might void the warranty. You might be able to have Dell upgrade it for you though.
#118 Jul 04 2010 at 2:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Guys i need some help will this run FFXIV???

Intel Pentium Dual-Core processor T4300
• 17.3" HD display
• 3GB OF RAM WITH 320GB Hard Drive
• Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Mobile Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 4500M


I don't know much about computers but i want to play FFXIV as soon as it comes out please help me ; ;

#119 Jul 04 2010 at 2:06 PM Rating: Decent
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=/ seems the only thing I need to change is the video card, mine seems to work ,but surely I won't play at max detail or even medium detail, and possibly will graphic lag a big lot in highly populated areas.

Anyone knows if there will be a setting (like toggle on/off) that will hide/show other players? it could help a lot in places like Cities and main trading areas. I read somewhere that there doesn't seem to be an auction house yet, so I guess people will have to stay in town if they want to sell something. Correct me if I am wrong :P
#120 Jul 04 2010 at 2:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Osarion, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
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Do you have recommendations on Power Supplies to replace Dell's ?


I'd be careful putting in 3rd party hardware into a prebuilt machine. Might void the warranty. You might be able to have Dell upgrade it for you though.


That's a very important point. Make sure you figure that out before you switch PSUs.

I'm going to list Corsair PSUs here because they're the only brand I can personally vouch for in terms of quality, support, and reliability. That said, there are a lot of great brands out there so don't be afraid to shop around if you want to.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005
This one will give you a bit of breathing room for your current setup. However, this PSU is not likely to have enough juice should you choose to get another 5870 for CrossFire.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139013
Here's what I recommend if you plan to use a CrossFire setup later on down the line. You can likely get away with an 850 Watt PSU using your setup with two 5870s in CrossFire, but this one is 950 Watts, and only $10 more than the 850 Watt version. This is more a "future proof" option.

Edited, Jul 4th 2010 4:23pm by Rhysen
#121 Jul 04 2010 at 2:24 PM Rating: Good
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I find it funny, somehow, that Dell produce that kind of computer, but meaby overlook the power supply bit. I didn't see anything that could customize it through their websote, thoug I am still checking.
#122 Jul 04 2010 at 3:09 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm considering building this machine, I wonder if anyone has had experience with these parts, or general comments. Seeing as XIV is heavily GPU I'm thinking to go with AMD&ATI for the cheaper Mobo/CPU as I don't think I'm going to get the performance jump from going with an i7 or something relative to the price jump which is many hundreds.

MSI 790X-G45 AM3 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard $100
AMD Phenom II X4 Quad-Core Processor $160
SAPPHIRE TOXIC 100282TXSR Radeon HD 5850 $345
OCZ Reaper Edition 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR $245
KINGWIN Lazer LZ-1000 1000W $160

Insert Random Case Ranging 60-100$
Insert Windows 7 Ultimate for EAL support (Because Microsoft are a bunch of asshats) 200$

Total: ~1270$

Edited, Jul 4th 2010 2:17pm by RamseySylph
#123 Jul 04 2010 at 3:42 PM Rating: Good
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MisterRandy wrote:
I find it funny, somehow, that Dell produce that kind of computer, but meaby overlook the power supply bit. I didn't see anything that could customize it through their websote, thoug I am still checking.


Yeah that boggles my mind as well, especially because that motherboard is known for supporting both SLI and CrossFire which would require MUCH more Wattage lol. I mean dang, there's so much potential in that build and they limit it with a 475 W PSU.

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I'm considering building this machine, I wonder if anyone has had experience with these parts, or general comments. Seeing as XIV is heavily GPU I'm thinking to go with AMD&ATI for the cheaper Mobo/CPU as I don't think I'm going to get the performance jump from going with an i7 or something relative to the price jump which is many hundreds.

MSI 790X-G45 AM3 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard $100
AMD Phenom II X4 Quad-Core Processor $160
SAPPHIRE TOXIC 100282TXSR Radeon HD 5850 $345
OCZ Reaper Edition 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR $245
KINGWIN Lazer LZ-1000 1000W $160

Insert Random Case Ranging 60-100$
Insert Windows 7 Ultimate for EAL support (Because Microsoft are a bunch of asshats) 200$

Total: ~1270$

Edited, Jul 4th 2010 2:17pm by RamseySylph


I'd say that's a pretty solid build with room for upgrades in the future. Second PCI-Express slot ready with a hearty enough PSU to handle CrossFire if you need it, sounds good!

I think I've seen a user from another forum run the benchmark with specs close to yours. The results were around 4600 on low. S/He was using a Phenom II X4 965 with a 5770. Your 5850 is stronger than that, so I would expect a little bit more than that score of 4600 :)

EDIT: Oh, you could consider dropping a little bit of that RAM and putting a 5870 in there instead. That would be a nice touch IMHO. I think the price difference is $40-50 between a 5850 and 5870.

EXTRA EDIT: Ahh... sorry. I meant he hit 4600 on LOW. My mistake.

Edited, Jul 4th 2010 6:10pm by Rhysen
#124 Jul 04 2010 at 5:07 PM Rating: Good
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I really like that Comp above, but does AMD can compare with Intel processors ?
#125 Jul 04 2010 at 5:20 PM Rating: Good
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Speaking of which, good combos on Newegg for AMD (1082$)

* AMD Phenom II X6 1055T (Thuban) 2.8GHz 6 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Six-Core Desktop Processor (Model: HDT55TFBGRBOX)

* ASUS Socket AM3 AMD 890GX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard (Model: M4A89GTD PRO/USB3)

* ASUS Radeon HD 5830 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ Eyefinity (Model: EAH5830 DIRECTCU/2DIS/1GD5)

* Cooler Master Red Steel/Plastic/Mesh bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case (Model: AM-932-RWN1-GP)

* Cooler Master V8 120mm Rifle CPU Cooling Fan (Model: RR-UV8-XBU1-GP)

* Cooler Master Silent Pro 700 Series 700W ATX12V V2.3 CrossFireX/SLI Ready 80Plus Certified Modular Active Power Supply (Model: RS-700-AMBA-D3)

* Kingston 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Dual Channel Desktop Memory Kit (Model: KVR1333D3K2/4GR)

* Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 1.5TB 7200RPM 32MB cache SATA II 3.5" Hard Drive (Model: ST31500341AS) - OEM

* LG Black 24X DVD+/-R 8X DVD+RW 6X DVD-RW SATA 5.25" DL-DVD Burner (Model: GH24NS50) - OEM
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Also, while browsing around, I found that Quebecer shop that sells that :

1775$CND

Life Warranty on System
Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R
Intel i7-930
Processor cooling Noctua NH-D14
6 GB RAM Corsair DDR3-1600Mhz
3x EVGA Nvidia GTS 250 1024 Overclocked
HDD Seagate 500Go 7200 RPM SATA
CD-DVD Reader/Burner
Power Supply ATX Antec 750 Watts
Case LanCool PC-K58WB
Windows 7 64-bits

Offers also customizing much of the stuff..as well as offering a 3x ATI HD 5850 1024Mo GDDR5 Overclocked combo...(ouch)
#127 Jul 04 2010 at 6:12 PM Rating: Good
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I really like that Comp above, but does AMD can compare with Intel processors ?


For the midrange (Phenom II X4 vs i5 X4) they're pretty close. For the high end (Phenom II X6 vs i7), the intel i7 blows the AMD X6 away, and is MASSIVELY more expensive.

If you're looking to save money, AMD is affordable performance. If you're looking to pay SIGNIFICANTLY more for an improvement over that, then Intel edges them out.
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Hello everyone.

I need some advice here. I purchased Dell desktop about 1 and half year ago and I'm wondering if there's anything I can do to improve it for the lovely FFXIV...

The specs are...
Intel Core2 Quad Q8200 2.33ghz
4gb ram
GeForce 9500GT
soundcard - onboard card

Now the questions are... How well do you think the CPU will perform? Will Upgrading the graphic card will be enough? Or do I need a completely new machine?

I'd ran the benchmark and scored around 900 on the low setting. Is this because of the graphic card or the whole thing is just too weak for this game?

Thanks in advance!


#129 Jul 05 2010 at 1:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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Hello everyone.

I need some advice here. I purchased Dell desktop about 1 and half year ago and I'm wondering if there's anything I can do to improve it for the lovely FFXIV...

The specs are...
Intel Core2 Quad Q8200 2.33ghz
4gb ram
GeForce 9500GT
soundcard - onboard card

Now the questions are... How well do you think the CPU will perform? Will Upgrading the graphic card will be enough? Or do I need a completely new machine?

I'd ran the benchmark and scored around 900 on the low setting. Is this because of the graphic card or the whole thing is just too weak for this game?

Thanks in advance!




Your CPU will be fine. Your GPU will need an upgrade in order to play with a decent FPS.

We really need to sticky Mikhalia's post Smiley: tongue
#130 Jul 05 2010 at 4:23 PM Rating: Decent
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After pondering what was said to me earlier, I came up with this compromise between the reality of my short-term budget and running the game with more playable FPS.

I was looking to get the Corsair 750 watt PSU so I can upgrade my card higher than a 9600 GT after how highly some people here spoke of that company; also, the reviews at newegg were generally very satisfied http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006&cm_re=corsair_power_supply-_-17-139-006-_-Product .

This leaves me moderately future-proof for awhile correct? I wanted to do more upgrades in the spring/winter. That said, this gives me room for new MOBO, processor, and water cooling when that time comes with plenty of watts to spare for a high end gaming card or SLI for moderate cards later down the road. This brings me to the card.

I was looking into the 9800 GTX which scored 1152 on the chart. Now I know some people are saying 1200 preferable, and 1400/1700+ is great. But that just isn't going to happen for me until later when I get a new MOBO and water cooling. At this point its not so much just the price at this point. I'm willing to spend some extra if it lasts much longer. However, I think the jump in temp in my case might be a bit radical for the time being with the highest end cards, and that is something I can't throw money at for the time being as I have to pick and choose. Also, 1152 rating is only 48 points off; my current card is in the 300s and I still got almost a mid 900s rating so I'm staying optimistic.

Another thought - I could possibly resell the video card. Even if I didn't, I'd imagine the higher end video cards would drop in price by quite a bit in 9 months or a year. Or...I could get whatever the new card is then to be my long-term card.

Bottom line of what I hope to accomplish: Moderate to long-term PSU and short/med-term(depending on how it does) graphics card. I'd be spending 215$ + shipping for both products, which I can do.

At this point I'm pretty convinenced that's what I want for what I can afford, and to be honest I'm mainly looking for reassurance my score will go up drastically to go beyond 2500 at least. However, I do have a question regarding SLI/crossfire. How effective is it? Is it the equalivant of two cards, or the extra power gained on a curve? Stated differently for example. Lets say I got 2 9800 GTXs. Would I have exactly double the power of one 9800 GTX, or would the cards work together to equate 1.2 /1.5 /1.8 etc the power of a single 9800 GTX?

Edited, Jul 5th 2010 6:24pm by TraceKoldKut
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TraceKoldKut wrote:
After pondering what was said to me earlier, I came up with this compromise between the reality of my short-term budget and running the game with more playable FPS.

I was looking to get the Corsair 750 watt PSU so I can upgrade my card higher than a 9600 GT after how highly some people here spoke of that company; also, the reviews at newegg were generally very satisfied http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006&cm_re=corsair_power_supply-_-17-139-006-_-Product .

This leaves me moderately future-proof for awhile correct? I wanted to do more upgrades in the spring/winter. That said, this gives me room for new MOBO, processor, and water cooling when that time comes with plenty of watts to spare for a high end gaming card or SLI for moderate cards later down the road. This brings me to the card.


Power supply is great. Water cooling is nice, but you don't -need- it. Many people would argue that water cooling is better than air cooling (better conductor of heat, results in lower temperatures, etc) but if you're concerned with money (and it seems that you are), I would put water cooling at the bottom of the list in terms of priorities. Especially if you're planning to replace parts; you'll have to keep disconnecting and reconnecting the system... just do it last.

TraceKoldKut wrote:
I was looking into the 9800 GTX which scored 1152 on the chart. Now I know some people are saying 1200 preferable, and 1400/1700+ is great. But that just isn't going to happen for me until later when I get a new MOBO and water cooling. At this point its not so much just the price at this point. I'm willing to spend some extra if it lasts much longer. However, I think the jump in temp in my case might be a bit radical for the time being with the highest end cards, and that is something I can't throw money at for the time being as I have to pick and choose. Also, 1152 rating is only 48 points off; my current card is in the 300s and I still got almost a mid 900s rating so I'm staying optimistic.

Another thought - I could possibly resell the video card. Even if I didn't, I'd imagine the higher end video cards would drop in price by quite a bit in 9 months or a year. Or...I could get whatever the new card is then to be my long-term card.


The 9800 GTX will run you about $130-140. This 5770 will set you back $160. For 20-30 more, you're getting a massive increase in performance over the GeForce 9800 GTX. The card will perform much better and will last you a lot longer.

TraceKoldKut wrote:
Bottom line of what I hope to accomplish: Moderate to long-term PSU and short/med-term(depending on how it does) graphics card. I'd be spending 215$ + shipping for both products, which I can do.

At this point I'm pretty convinenced that's what I want for what I can afford, and to be honest I'm mainly looking for reassurance my score will go up drastically to go beyond 2500 at least. However, I do have a question regarding SLI/crossfire. How effective is it? Is it the equalivant of two cards, or the extra power gained on a curve? Stated differently for example. Lets say I got 2 9800 GTXs. Would I have exactly double the power of one 9800 GTX, or would the cards work together to equate 1.2 /1.5 /1.8 etc the power of a single 9800 GTX?

Edited, Jul 5th 2010 6:24pm by TraceKoldKut


This CoolerMaster 650, reg 99 is on sale for $69.
This Antec 750W, reg $160 is on sale for $99
This 5750 is about $140, the same price as what you were going to spend on the 9800; it's not as good as the 5770, but it's better than the 9800. (1420 rating compared to 1200)

So that's about 210 with the 650W (Both parts should last you a while) or $240 with the 750W (Power supply should last you for a LONG time, video card should be golden for a while as well)

As I said, if you can afford the extra 20-30 on the 5770, get that, but at least get a 5750.
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#132 Jul 05 2010 at 5:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for pointing those cards out. The 5770 looks really nice, and the same min watt requirement as the 9800 GTX. If you think the temp difference between a 9800 GTX and 5750/5770 is not drastic, then I'm definitely interested in shelling out 20-30$ more for something that'll last much longer.
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In general, if you are asking for help on a build, you don't need or want to water cool. It opens a whole new can of worms and unless you are the type of person to check the coolant and oil levels on your car every week, you don't need the hassle. Even if you know what you are doing, unless you intend to give a moderate to extreme overclock, water cooling is not necessary.

Because I don't see enough people on the board saying it, unless you are wanting to play a different game right now, please don't upgrade your PC. By all means, start educating yourself and saving money, but there is no need to spend anything until a week or two before the game comes out. The rumor mill is pretty confident that a new series of ATI cards will be out before the end of the year. If nothing else, that means a ~$50 price decrease on their current cards, with better performance than the FERMI.

For my benefit, can anyone confirm/deny that XIV is optimized for 6-8 core processors?
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#134 Jul 05 2010 at 5:51 PM Rating: Good
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TraceKoldKut wrote:
Thanks for pointing those cards out. The 5770 looks really nice, and the same min watt requirement as the 9800 GTX. If you think the temp difference between a 9800 GTX and 5750/5770 is not drastic, then I'm definitely interested in shelling out 20-30$ more for something that'll last much longer.


I'm running a 5770 with a 650W PSU and have no issues.

Inralkil wrote:
In general, if you are asking for help on a build, you don't need or want to water cool. It opens a whole new can of worms and unless you are the type of person to check the coolant and oil levels on your car every week, you don't need the hassle. Even if you know what you are doing, unless you intend to give a moderate to extreme overclock, water cooling is not necessary.


This. If you have to ask about what parts to buy (and there's nothing wrong with that) I would not advise attempting to install your own water cooling system. I'm not saying you -can't- do it, but it is somewhat involved.

Just like if you have to ask about the difference between a Gourami and a Tetra, a Reef/FOWLR tank is not for you.

Inralkil wrote:
For my benefit, can anyone confirm/deny that XIV is optimized for 6-8 core processors?


Most people who have ran the benchmark while staring at CPU usage have said that the game uses 4 processors on low. I believe that on high, it will start using the others, and it uses them a lot when loading scenes, but I wasn't one to stare at my CPU usage when I was running it myself, and I only have a quad core. Someone with an X6 or i7 could answer this question with more certainty.
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I've always wanted to build my own computer and with FFXIV coming out soon I suppose this is the perfect opportunity. I'm a little intimidated though, I'm especially afraid of buying something that's incompatible with the other components, or overlooking some crucial part. With all the recent interest in PC building and all the very very helpful posts around here I feel like I know a lot more then I did a couple weeks ago, but I'm still not ready to dive in myself. That said, I've come up with a rough draft of sorts that hopefully you guys can help me develop into a functioning machine I can be happy with...

Operating System: Windows 7 Professional ~$30 (via Microsoft's Student Deal) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte MA74GM - S2 ~$60 
Videocard: Sapphire Radeon HD 5770 ~$160 
CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 630 Quad Core 2.8 GHz ~$100 
Power Supply: Cooler Master 460 watt ~$35  


I already have a mouse/keyboard/monitor from my other PC. I'm also looking into taking the memory and DVD drive from that computer for this one, though I don't know if that's wise. Aside from that I believe I also need a hard drive (unless I can take that from an old PC as well) as well as some type of sound card. And a case to put it all in of course :D

Any suggestions on anything I'm overlooking or needs improvement? Just from reading some of the threads around here I'm guessing the power supply isn't strong enough. Also is building a PC from the bottom up something a novice like me could do, or would I be better served by buying something off the shelf and making upgrades to that?

I'm hoping for a system that can play FFXIV comfortably at average settings, with room for later upgrades if desired/budget allows.
#136 Jul 06 2010 at 10:45 AM Rating: Good
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Operating System: Windows 7 Professional ~$30 (via Microsoft's Student Deal)
Motherboard: Gigabyte MA74GM - S2 ~$60
Videocard: Sapphire Radeon HD 5770 ~$160
CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 630 Quad Core 2.8 GHz ~$100
Power Supply: Cooler Master 460 watt ~$35



That looks like a pretty solid build for the money. If you wanted to, you could put a larger power supply into it. While you don't need it now, it would leave you room to add a power hungry video card later, if you wanted to upgrade a year or two down the line.

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Not sure if it has been mentioned, but for the folks getting ready to build gaming rigs for the FFXIV, keep an eye on the FatWallet and Slick Deals forums. I usually visit their hot deals section daily to see what kind of hardware is on sale, or going real cheap with rebates.

Also Microsoft BING Cash Back is ending on July 30th. You can usually find some sites like Tiger Direct that will offer a percentage back on your purchase if you buy through the BING search engine links (Takes 60 days to get your cash back). Here are the links to the forums and how cash back works. I have used BING Cash Back religiously since last year when buying PC hardware. Bundle it with rebates and you can save some bucks if you find the right deal.


FatWallet.com Hot Deals Forum - http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/hot-deals

SlickDeals.net Hot Deals Forum - http://slickdeals.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=9

Microsoft Bing Cash Back Program Explained - http://www.bing.com/shopping/pages/howtouse.aspx
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Do you have recommendations on Power Supplies to replace Dell's ?



It has been a couple years since I have worked on a Dell, but when shopping for a power supply, make sure the case matches up with the power connector on the new power supply. I always had issues where the back of the Dell cases had an outline of the power connector that matched up to THEIR power supply, so I always had to make sure that the power connector was in the same place and that the power supply did not have a switch.

You can kind of see what I am talking about in this picture. It might be different now. I do not have a newer dell in front of me to check.

http://img.dell.com/images/global/products/dimen/8300_chassis_back_314.jpg

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Regarding the 5770s I was looking also at these two in addition to the regular 5770:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102898&cm_re=5770_vapor-x-_-14-102-898-_-

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102868&cm_re=5770_vapor-x-_-14-102-868-_-Product

They're both HD 5770s. However, both have vapor-X cooling and a rather large, but apparently silent fan. The comments all mention how cool these two cards run, so I'm definitely intrigued. Also, I'm willing to spend the extra money for a cooler running card. This will prolong the need for me to add a new MB and more fans so I do feel I'd get an additional benefit for the extra $.

So again, and hopefully for the last time I come to you guys for your thoughts.

1. No one in the comments complained of issues regarding the cooling technology, and most people infact were very pleased. Is this reassuring, or is there something I'm missing?

2. One is a little pricer than the other, but I can't figure out why. The only real difference I noticed is the more expensive one is PCI-E 2.0 x 16. The cheaper one is PCI-E 2.1 x 16. My board supports 2.0, so does this mean I can't run 2.1, but a 2.1 board can run both 2.1 and 2.0? It's not a big deal honestly, but I'm curious.
#140 Jul 06 2010 at 2:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Hi guys, looking for some help i/n builing a rig.

Will this work and be compatible?

http://secure.newegg.com/Shopping/ShoppingCart.aspx?Submit=view
#141 Jul 06 2010 at 2:48 PM Rating: Good


You will need to save that shopping cart to a sharable wish list, so other people can see it.

That or just post what you have in it here.
#142 Jul 06 2010 at 2:51 PM Rating: Good
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2. One is a little pricer than the other, but I can't figure out why. The only real difference I noticed is the more expensive one is PCI-E 2.0 x 16. The cheaper one is PCI-E 2.1 x 16. My board supports 2.0, so does this mean I can't run 2.1, but a 2.1 board can run both 2.1 and 2.0? It's not a big deal honestly, but I'm curious.


Yes PCI-e 2.1 is backwards compatible to 2.0.

Edited, Jul 6th 2010 3:51pm by Lamnethx
#143 Jul 06 2010 at 2:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Okay.

COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
MSI 880GMA-E45 AM3 AMD 880G SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
XFX HD-585X-ZNFC Radeon HD ASUS Black SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model DVD-E818A6T/BLK/B/G 5850 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16
ASUS Black SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model DVD-E818A6T/BLK/B/G
CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model
AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor
Western Digital RE3 WD7502ABYS 750GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Hard Drive -Bare Drive

Total $1006
#144 Jul 06 2010 at 3:13 PM Rating: Good
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Okay.

COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
MSI 880GMA-E45 AM3 AMD 880G SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
XFX HD-585X-ZNFC Radeon HD ASUS Black SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model DVD-E818A6T/BLK/B/G 5850 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16
ASUS Black SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model DVD-E818A6T/BLK/B/G
CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model
AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor
Western Digital RE3 WD7502ABYS 750GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Hard Drive -Bare Drive

Total $1006


Should play the game very nicely.
#145 Jul 06 2010 at 3:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Guess I need the 2.0 version then since I have a 2.0 x 16; it's not a big deal. Still curious as to if you guys would approve of the vapor cooling cards though.

Edited, Jul 6th 2010 5:58pm by TraceKoldKut
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Guess I need the 2.0 version then since I have a 2.0 x 16; it's not a big deal. Still curious as to if you guys would approve of the vapor cooling cards though.

Edited, Jul 6th 2010 5:58pm by TraceKoldKut


I'm almost 100% certain that you can use 2.1 cards in 2.0 slots, and even 1.0 slots.

I've been using two 2.0 cards in my 1.0 motherboard slots for years now.
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TraceKoldKut wrote:
Guess I need the 2.0 version then since I have a 2.0 x 16; it's not a big deal. Still curious as to if you guys would approve of the vapor cooling cards though.

Edited, Jul 6th 2010 5:58pm by TraceKoldKut


I'm almost 100% certain that you can use 2.1 cards in 2.0 slots, and even 1.0 slots.

I've been using two 2.0 cards in my 1.0 motherboard slots for years now.


Indeed you can.
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#148 Jul 06 2010 at 11:08 PM Rating: Decent
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would this motherboard and Processor be a good start?

http://www.frys.com/product/6258380?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

[AMD Athlon™ II X4 630
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AMD 760G/ SB710
Dual Channel DDR2
ATI Radeon HD3000 Graphics
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Need advise on a good MB for an i7 930 thats under $200 usd.
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Hate to add more of the same to this thread, but this will be my first build. I have everything needed(I think) and would just like your opinions on if it's acceptable and even compatible. Spent a good while browsing to find decent build.


Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Thermaltake V9 Black Edition ATX Computer Gaming Chassis with Dual Oversized 230mm Ultra-Silent Cooling Fans VJ400G1N2Z Mid ...
Combo 174.98 25.00 rebate after 149.98

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ955FBGMBOX
MSI 890GXM-G65 AM3 AMD 890GX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
Combo 259.98 10.00 rebate after 249.98

OCZ Gold 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model OCZ3G1600LV4GK
GIGABYTE GV-R583UD-1GD Radeon HD 5830 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card
Combo 282.98 15.00 rebate after 267.98

OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ600MXSP 600W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply compatible with core i7
74.99 20.00 rebate after 54.99

Lite-On IHDP118-04 Internal DVD Drive - DVD-ROM 18x, CD-ROM 48x, IDE (OEM 19.99$

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM 99.99$


912.91 before rebates

842.91 after all rebates


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#151 Jul 07 2010 at 1:24 AM Rating: Excellent
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM 99.99$

I believe they make you show some sort of credentials in order to buy this version. Other than that, your system looks fine enough to run the game pretty well.
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