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#1452 Sep 21 2010 at 10:10 AM Rating: Decent
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Just wanted to say thank you to everyone who contributed to this thread.

I built my first computer, wiring is a little messy, I was unsure at times that I had everything connected...but in the end, it boots up and everything is being installed now ^^

Graphics: nvdia GTX 470
CPU: I7-950
EVGA mobo E758-a1 3 way SLI
650W PSU

ran the benchmark and got 4801 on Low 3466 High


Strange... I have the same CPU and the GTX 460. I got a 5100 on Low, but 3000 on High...
#1453 Sep 21 2010 at 10:32 AM Rating: Decent
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#1454 Sep 21 2010 at 11:44 AM Rating: Decent
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AznKnight wrote:
Just wanted to say thank you to everyone who contributed to this thread.

I built my first computer, wiring is a little messy, I was unsure at times that I had everything connected...but in the end, it boots up and everything is being installed now ^^

Graphics: nvdia GTX 470
CPU: I7-950
EVGA mobo E758-a1 3 way SLI
650W PSU

ran the benchmark and got 4801 on Low 3466 High

Strange... I have the same CPU and the GTX 460. I got a 5100 on Low, but 3000 on High...
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I know what you mean i have the same chip and a 460, i got 4992 on low but actually my high is about 2800-2900, i cant hit 3000.. hmmmm

Edited, Sep 21st 2010 1:47pm by jvfly23
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jvfly23 wrote:
I know what you mean i have the same chip and a 460, i got 4992 on low but actually my high is about 2800-2900, i cant hit 3000.. hmmmm


You won't be able to hit 3000 on high with a GTX 460 unless you manually overclock it or end up getting very lucky and getting an exceptionally good card out of the box. Even the Palit Sonic Platinum, which is arguably the fastest 460 on the market out of the box, usually can't hit 3000 unless you overclock it further than the factory OC.

My Palit scored 2800ish with its default settings. 3200ish overclocked.

Edited, Sep 21st 2010 2:53pm by Threx
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#1456 Sep 21 2010 at 2:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Threx wrote:
jvfly23 wrote:
I know what you mean i have the same chip and a 460, i got 4992 on low but actually my high is about 2800-2900, i cant hit 3000.. hmmmm


You won't be able to hit 3000 on high with a GTX 460 unless you manually overclock it or end up getting very lucky and getting an exceptionally good card out of the box. Even the Palit Sonic Platinum, which is arguably the fastest 460 on the market out of the box, usually can't hit 3000 unless you overclock it further than the factory OC.

My Palit scored 2800ish with its default settings. 3200ish overclocked.

Edited, Sep 21st 2010 2:53pm by Threx


Well, atleast u telling me that makes me feel better. I have the EVGA superclocked 460. I know during the benchmark it goes all the way to 99% usage.
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#1457 Sep 21 2010 at 2:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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Threx wrote:
The problem could be anything, really. I think that it might be your CPU or motherboard if the situation is that the system refuses to even boot.

My CPU is i7 and I don't know what my motherboard is, but I've only had this computer for a little over a year. Donno if that helps though. As to trying it on friend's computer...sadly I know more about computers than them, so that's saying a lot. >.>

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It probably won't do anything, but is it possible you can take a picture of the inside of your computer and post it up?

Another question, most of the MB has a light on it and when the switch behind the psu is turn on, it will light up. Is that light on or no light at all?

Yes, there is an orange light next to the 24-pin, which lights up when I plug in the power cord, but only flashes once when I push the power button. I'm at work now but I'll try to take a pic of my setup and upload it later.

Thank you Threx & OneFatAngel! +1 :)
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Threx wrote:
jvfly23 wrote:
I know what you mean i have the same chip and a 460, i got 4992 on low but actually my high is about 2800-2900, i cant hit 3000.. hmmmm


You won't be able to hit 3000 on high with a GTX 460 unless you manually overclock it or end up getting very lucky and getting an exceptionally good card out of the box. Even the Palit Sonic Platinum, which is arguably the fastest 460 on the market out of the box, usually can't hit 3000 unless you overclock it further than the factory OC.

My Palit scored 2800ish with its default settings. 3200ish overclocked.

Edited, Sep 21st 2010 2:53pm by Threx


Well, atleast u telling me that makes me feel better. I have the EVGA superclocked 460. I know during the benchmark it goes all the way to 99% usage.




Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64bit (build 7600)
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9300 @ 2.50GHz (4 cores)
4 gigs ddr2
DirectX Version DirectX 11
1 x EVGA GeForce GTX 470 SuperClocked
MB: EVGA 750i SLI
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After more research I finally decided on an upgrade from a single 260 gtx. EVGA picks the cream of the crop gpu's to make their superclocked. It is stock overclocked, meaning they tweaked it so it will run higher from the very beginning, as soon as you put in into your pc it runs those settings automatically. It really isn't much of an overclock, until you try out their utilities and push it higher (at one's own peril). From what I have read 470's overclock the best for that generation, but someone might have more info. out there. I tried overclocking to play around a little with their utilities and it does look like it can do very well if I wanted to overclock later on in it's lifespan, or plug in a second card to SLI. Some have posted a max overclock of 733 cpu and 4,000 mhz (effective memory). I scored a 3200 on high settings, with no hardware overclocked. The reason I sprung for it, was that it was on sale for 299.00 with rebate at microcenter.

http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=012-P3-1472-AR&family=GeForce%20400%20Series%20Family&sw=

I thought about adding my gtx 260 as the physx card, but I read that it is overkill for that function. It will cause more heat, and consume more energy. So I will just sell the 260 instead.

A side note. Heaven benchmark allows you to see how things run under DirectX 9, 10, and 11, and opengl. I tried turning every feature on and it ran very smooth.

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From what I have read 470's overclock the best for that generation, but someone might have more info. out there. I tried overclocking to play around a little with their utilities and it does look like it can do very well if I wanted to overclock later on in it's lifespan, or plug in a second card to SLI. Some have posted a max overclock of 733 cpu and 4,000 mhz (effective memory). I scored a 3200 on high settings, with no hardware overclocked. The reason I sprung for it, was that it was on sale for 299.00 with rebate at microcenter.



Just to give you my experience with my EVGA GTX470. I OCed teh GPU clock to 770MHz from the stock 608MHz. I tried to OC the ram but it will just crash me out when ever I load it up, so I set the memory speed at the stock 837MHz. I managed to break 4k running benchmark on high setting. CPU is i7-930 OCed to 4.0GHz.

Also, I use MSI Afterburner instead of EVGA precision because it lets me set up customize fan profile. The Auto fan profile is a boat load of crap and I don't feel like running the gpu fan at 80% all the time. Temp under load now never break 80C as oppose to 90C+ with default auto fan speed.
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OneFatAngel wrote:
Parsalyn wrote:
From what I have read 470's overclock the best for that generation, but someone might have more info. out there. I tried overclocking to play around a little with their utilities and it does look like it can do very well if I wanted to overclock later on in it's lifespan, or plug in a second card to SLI. Some have posted a max overclock of 733 cpu and 4,000 mhz (effective memory). I scored a 3200 on high settings, with no hardware overclocked. The reason I sprung for it, was that it was on sale for 299.00 with rebate at microcenter.



Just to give you my experience with my EVGA GTX470. I OCed teh GPU clock to 770MHz from the stock 608MHz. I tried to OC the ram but it will just crash me out when ever I load it up, so I set the memory speed at the stock 837MHz. I managed to break 4k running benchmark on high setting. CPU is i7-930 OCed to 4.0GHz.

Also, I use MSI Afterburner instead of EVGA precision because it lets me set up customize fan profile. The Auto fan profile is a boat load of crap and I don't feel like running the gpu fan at 80% all the time. Temp under load now never break 80C as oppose to 90C+ with default auto fan speed.


Thanks for the information! That is a pretty high OC. The OC I tried last night was 650 mhz gpu and the ram was at 1800. Which you can times x 2 for the effective ram number. I didn't really push it yet, and don't know if I will. I downloaded the EVGA precision and it doesn't go above 80c. But at the same time, it stays at 80 percent fan speed... I'll see what that msi afterburner is like.

*Edit: at idle or below 80c precision fan speed scales the same as MSI. But you have to click on the cog looking thing to find the advanced settings. It doesn't have a defined button, so if you don't know to click there, then you will never find the advanced options for precision. After installing MSI afterburner I can see that it has a better ui and the shader clock is now available to overclock.

Edited, Sep 21st 2010 6:13pm by Parsalyn
#1461 Sep 21 2010 at 5:49 PM Rating: Decent
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I just want to thank you all who have posted info in this thread. All the information here helped me to understand and guide me through buying parts and assembling my very first rig. Yesterday I spent about 4 hours (I am slow) putting everything together and updating all drivers. Everything worked perfectly, no problems at all. I don't think I will run benchmark since game comes tomorrow. I will just test it on game.

You all are a good bunch. See you in game.

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#1462 Sep 21 2010 at 6:01 PM Rating: Good
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If there is one thing that people get out of this blasted game is that they learned how to build their own pc. Now welcome to the madness :D
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#1463 Sep 21 2010 at 6:30 PM Rating: Decent
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I have read many pages of this thread and it has been extremely helpful. I am a long time follower of the forum and I read it daily. I just wanted to state my build I'm looking at. Currently waiting for the semester to end before I buy, so if updates on hardware will be coming out soon and knocking prices down, that would be helpful. I'm trying to keep it around 800-1000. I'm going with ibuypower. My brother got one last year and it worked out well and came in like 2 weeks. So my build:

I'm looking to run the game on mid setting smoothly. High settings just aggravate my eyes.

Intel i5 760 (4x 2.8Ghz/8MB l3 Cache)
4 GB DDR3 1333
NVIDIA Geforce 460 1GB
FOR MB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128409&cm_re=gigabyte_ga_p55_usb3-_-13-128-409-_-Product
And a 700W power supply. Not sure which brand to go with.


Right now this setup is like $860 or so. I'm thinking about an i7 CPU, but still unsure. I think this computer will suit me well in FFXIV with the potential to upgrade the CPU later.
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Intel i5 760 (4x 2.8Ghz/8MB l3 Cache)
4 GB DDR3 1333
NVIDIA Geforce 460 1GB
FOR MB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128409&cm_re=gigabyte_ga_p55_usb3-_-13-128-409-_-Product
And a 700W power supply. Not sure which brand to go with.


Right now this setup is like $860 or so. I'm thinking about an i7 CPU, but still unsure. I think this computer will suit me well in FFXIV with the potential to upgrade the CPU later.


The problem with upgrading the CPU later is the that i5 is using socket 1156 and i7 (930 and above) use socket 1366. With i7-950 priced at $298, it is really a great bang for the buck. With the older socket, the upgrade is rather limited...and expensive. If you can afford the $90 different, go with the i7-950.
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#1465 Sep 21 2010 at 6:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Alright. Thanks. So with the i7 950 3.2 ghz It comes with 6GB of ram also, and the price is like $990 now(plus $65 for shipping). Sounds good, and should leave me the room I want to upgrade in a couple years.

I told myself if I make all As and no more than one B this semester, I'll buy myself a new computer. Good way to motivate myself while all you guys enjoy FFXIV without me. LOL Maybe I'll by it early. This forum is such a tease.

My current computer is the min reqs to a T. I'm not even going to try. I'll just end up ruining the game for myself.
#1466 Sep 21 2010 at 6:54 PM Rating: Good
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I'm not sure which ram you picked but Gskill has some pretty good ram for not a lot of $$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231225

I bought it for my system too. Oooh...don't forget to change your MB too.
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#1467 Sep 21 2010 at 6:58 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm not sure which ram you picked but Gskill has some pretty good ram for not a lot of $$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231225

I bought it for my system too. Oooh...don't forget to change your MB too.


Yea I changed the MB. Ibuypower does a lot of things to help newcomers out. They only show options with the right sockets and all.(at least from my experience).

Well I think the 6GB RAM was some deal on ibuypower that came with the i7 950. The only options were 3gb or 6gb. If I could I'd order it with none and install the RAM myself. That is about the only thing I know how to put in a computer. lol
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Looks like you are good to go. Now go get some As. :)
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#1469 Sep 22 2010 at 3:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Threx wrote:
jvfly23 wrote:
I know what you mean i have the same chip and a 460, i got 4992 on low but actually my high is about 2800-2900, i cant hit 3000.. hmmmm


You won't be able to hit 3000 on high with a GTX 460 unless you manually overclock it or end up getting very lucky and getting an exceptionally good card out of the box. Even the Palit Sonic Platinum, which is arguably the fastest 460 on the market out of the box, usually can't hit 3000 unless you overclock it further than the factory OC.

My Palit scored 2800ish with its default settings. 3200ish overclocked.

Edited, Sep 21st 2010 2:53pm by Threx


I guess I'm one of the lucky ones. My Sonic Platinum is at stock (800MHz) with a stock i7-950 and 6GB DDR3 RAM (that I had to manually set to it's advertised speed of 1600). Just retested and got 5220 on low and 3060 on high.

Not sure if I should be worried about this, but my CPU idles between 50 and 55c... hits about 70ish on load. Wondering if I should invest in an aftermarket cooler and/or some thermal paste like Arctic Silver?

EDIT: After some further reading, it seems my CPU is "locked" and only set to read either 800 or 1066MHz RAM, so I set the speed back to auto, which dropped the RAM back to 1066, but improved the latency counts. My core temps also dropped about 5 degrees. We'll see how this does for now, I guess. Not too sure in the affects of RAM speed on gaming and such.

Edited, Sep 22nd 2010 6:12am by Zoddy75
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I guess I'm one of the lucky ones. My Sonic Platinum is at stock (800MHz) with a stock i7-950 and 6GB DDR3 RAM (that I had to manually set to it's advertised speed of 1600). Just retested and got 5220 on low and 3060 on high.

Not sure if I should be worried about this, but my CPU idles between 50 and 55c... hits about 70ish on load. Wondering if I should invest in an aftermarket cooler and/or some thermal paste like Arctic Silver?


Well, you do have a great CPU (the 950 is top tier), and that does help with pushing your high bench score.

50-55C is very hot for a CPU on idle. What's your room temperature? You could try reapplying your thermal paste first and see if that helps (often times unusually high temps are due to bad appliance of thermal paste). If that doesn't help, you would want a new cooler. For the paste itself, I recommend the Arctic Cooling MX-3 (or MX-2), Shin Etsu, or Diamond 7. Arctic Silver is still a great thermal paste, but it's not top tier anymore compared to the ones I mentioned.

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Threx wrote:
jvfly23 wrote:
I know what you mean i have the same chip and a 460, i got 4992 on low but actually my high is about 2800-2900, i cant hit 3000.. hmmmm


You won't be able to hit 3000 on high with a GTX 460 unless you manually overclock it or end up getting very lucky and getting an exceptionally good card out of the box. Even the Palit Sonic Platinum, which is arguably the fastest 460 on the market out of the box, usually can't hit 3000 unless you overclock it further than the factory OC.

My Palit scored 2800ish with its default settings. 3200ish overclocked.

Edited, Sep 21st 2010 2:53pm by Threx


I guess I'm one of the lucky ones. My Sonic Platinum is at stock (800MHz) with a stock i7-950 and 6GB DDR3 RAM (that I had to manually set to it's advertised speed of 1600). Just retested and got 5220 on low and 3060 on high.

Not sure if I should be worried about this, but my CPU idles between 50 and 55c... hits about 70ish on load. Wondering if I should invest in an aftermarket cooler and/or some thermal paste like Arctic Silver?

EDIT: After some further reading, it seems my CPU is "locked" and only set to read either 800 or 1066MHz RAM, so I set the speed back to auto, which dropped the RAM back to 1066, but improved the latency counts. My core temps also dropped about 5 degrees. We'll see how this does for now, I guess. Not too sure in the affects of RAM speed on gaming and such.

Edited, Sep 22nd 2010 6:12am by Zoddy75


Those are quite high. I live in one of the hottest areas of Hawaii and I get a little under those temps with a 4.0 GHz overclock in a non-AC room with the same chip. I'm currently using a CoolerMaster Hyper 212+ with Arctic Silver 5. It's a great piece that you may want to check out. The temps could probably go even lower if I did a reseat. I did a pretty shoddy job on the first one but have been too lazy to go back and re do it lol.

Edited, Sep 22nd 2010 9:13am by Rhysen
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Alright. Thanks. So with the i7 950 3.2 ghz It comes with 6GB of ram also, and the price is like $990 now(plus $65 for shipping). Sounds good, and should leave me the room I want to upgrade in a couple years.

I told myself if I make all As and no more than one B this semester, I'll buy myself a new computer. Good way to motivate myself while all you guys enjoy FFXIV without me. LOL Maybe I'll by it early. This forum is such a tease.

My current computer is the min reqs to a T. I'm not even going to try. I'll just end up ruining the game for myself.


I would not be so sure you will be able to upgrade your CPU in the future. Chances are that Intel will not even use the 1366 sicket on new CPUs, so you would be stuck with only very slight upgrade options for that socket.

The i7 950 is an extremely good CPU though, so as long as you leave yourself room to upgrade your GPU in a year or two you will be fine as far as upgrade paths go.
#1473 Sep 22 2010 at 10:09 AM Rating: Decent
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I have never built a PC from scratch before, and I just have a few beginners questions about the process. When you buy a case (like a Coolermaster or Antec), are the power and reset buttons, and the wires which connect them to the motherboard included with the case, or do they have to be purchased seperately? Also, when you buy a motherboard, are the screws and standoffs usually included or must those also be bought separately? Do I need a specific type of *****? I just think it's important to know about these things, however basic they may be, before I spend 1-2k on a new build.
Thanks for any info.

Edited, Sep 22nd 2010 12:09pm by ellenius
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I have never built a PC from scratch before, and I just have a few beginners questions about the process. When you buy a case (like a Coolermaster or Antec), are the power and reset buttons, and the wires which connect them to the motherboard included with the case, or do they have to be purchased seperately? Also, when you buy a motherboard, are the screws and standoffs usually included or must those also be bought separately? Do I need a specific type of *****? I just think it's important to know about these things, however basic they may be, before I spend 1-2k on a new build.
Thanks for any info.

Edited, Sep 22nd 2010 12:09pm by ellenius


The case comes with the wiring connecting the switches to the motherboard.

The motherboard comes with the ***** stands.

Basically, you should never have to buy any additional wires. If you bought every piece of hardware you need, you should have all the wires/screwns you need. Very few exceptions apply, but you won't need to worry about those.
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Rhysen wrote:
Zoddy75 wrote:
Threx wrote:
jvfly23 wrote:
I know what you mean i have the same chip and a 460, i got 4992 on low but actually my high is about 2800-2900, i cant hit 3000.. hmmmm


You won't be able to hit 3000 on high with a GTX 460 unless you manually overclock it or end up getting very lucky and getting an exceptionally good card out of the box. Even the Palit Sonic Platinum, which is arguably the fastest 460 on the market out of the box, usually can't hit 3000 unless you overclock it further than the factory OC.

My Palit scored 2800ish with its default settings. 3200ish overclocked.

Edited, Sep 21st 2010 2:53pm by Threx


I guess I'm one of the lucky ones. My Sonic Platinum is at stock (800MHz) with a stock i7-950 and 6GB DDR3 RAM (that I had to manually set to it's advertised speed of 1600). Just retested and got 5220 on low and 3060 on high.

Not sure if I should be worried about this, but my CPU idles between 50 and 55c... hits about 70ish on load. Wondering if I should invest in an aftermarket cooler and/or some thermal paste like Arctic Silver?

EDIT: After some further reading, it seems my CPU is "locked" and only set to read either 800 or 1066MHz RAM, so I set the speed back to auto, which dropped the RAM back to 1066, but improved the latency counts. My core temps also dropped about 5 degrees. We'll see how this does for now, I guess. Not too sure in the affects of RAM speed on gaming and such.

Edited, Sep 22nd 2010 6:12am by Zoddy75


Those are quite high. I live in one of the hottest areas of Hawaii and I get a little under those temps with a 4.0 GHz overclock in a non-AC room with the same chip. I'm currently using a CoolerMaster Hyper 212+ with Arctic Silver 5. It's a great piece that you may want to check out. The temps could probably go even lower if I did a reseat. I did a pretty shoddy job on the first one but have been too lazy to go back and re do it lol.

Edited, Sep 22nd 2010 9:13am by Rhysen


Thanks for the info. Just checked this out on Newegg and it's much cheaper than the Noctua stuff I was looking at. I'm running with stock cooler and the stock paste or pad that was on the heatsink. I'll have to check this out...
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Threx wrote:
Zoddy75 wrote:
I guess I'm one of the lucky ones. My Sonic Platinum is at stock (800MHz) with a stock i7-950 and 6GB DDR3 RAM (that I had to manually set to it's advertised speed of 1600). Just retested and got 5220 on low and 3060 on high.

Not sure if I should be worried about this, but my CPU idles between 50 and 55c... hits about 70ish on load. Wondering if I should invest in an aftermarket cooler and/or some thermal paste like Arctic Silver?


Well, you do have a great CPU (the 950 is top tier), and that does help with pushing your high bench score.

50-55C is very hot for a CPU on idle. What's your room temperature? You could try reapplying your thermal paste first and see if that helps (often times unusually high temps are due to bad appliance of thermal paste). If that doesn't help, you would want a new cooler. For the paste itself, I recommend the Arctic Cooling MX-3 (or MX-2), Shin Etsu, or Diamond 7. Arctic Silver is still a great thermal paste, but it's not top tier anymore compared to the ones I mentioned.



I just seated the stock fan with the paste (or pad, as some call it) that was pre-applied to the heatsink. I might reseat it, or just get a new cooler like the Cooler Master that was suggested above. Thanks for the recommended thermal compound :)
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I'm considering upgrading my PC for FFXIV, but I would like to hear the general publics thoughts on what I should upgrade.
My specs:

windows 7
Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 2.66mhz (overclocked to a 3.0 mhz)
nVIDIA GeForce 8600 GTS (G84)(256 mb)
4096 MB ram
ASUS P5E mobo

I'm thinking that my limiting factor is my ancient graphics card.
I have been an Nvidia user so far, but I plan on making the switch to radeon. I was looking at the 5750 1gb, about $150 is my price range. Which are the best manufacturers for radeon cards?

How much better performance could I expect? Currently I can only play 1000X800 with everything on low, barely.

Thanks in advance
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I'm considering upgrading my PC for FFXIV, but I would like to hear the general publics thoughts on what I should upgrade.
My specs:

windows 7
Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 2.66mhz (overclocked to a 3.0 mhz)
nVIDIA GeForce 8600 GTS (G84)(256 mb)
4096 MB ram
ASUS P5E mobo

I'm thinking that my limiting factor is my ancient graphics card.
I have been an Nvidia user so far, but I plan on making the switch to radeon. I was looking at the 5750 1gb, about $150 is my price range. Which are the best manufacturers for radeon cards?

How much better performance could I expect? Currently I can only play 1000X800 with everything on low, barely.

Thanks in advance


HIS is my favorite manufacturer. I think the other good on is msi. But this XFX seems to be one of the best sellers.. looks good.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150448

But honestly (and yes I am biased), at that price range, I would go for this Nvidia GTX 460
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814261074

Edited, Sep 22nd 2010 5:10pm by Zoddy75

Edited, Sep 22nd 2010 5:13pm by Zoddy75
#1479 Sep 22 2010 at 3:52 PM Rating: Good
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I just seated the stock fan with the paste (or pad, as some call it) that was pre-applied to the heatsink. I might reseat it, or just get a new cooler like the Cooler Master that was suggested above. Thanks for the recommended thermal compound :)


Those pre-applied paste is about as useful as a bottle of expired apple juice sitting in your fridge. Do yourself a favor and remove it and apply some good thermal compound like Arctic Silver. Use the following guild to see what is the proper way to do it.

http://www.arcticsilver.com/methods.html
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digdugdiggy wrote:
I'm considering upgrading my PC for FFXIV, but I would like to hear the general publics thoughts on what I should upgrade.
My specs:

windows 7
Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 2.66mhz (overclocked to a 3.0 mhz)
nVIDIA GeForce 8600 GTS (G84)(256 mb)
4096 MB ram
ASUS P5E mobo

I'm thinking that my limiting factor is my ancient graphics card.
I have been an Nvidia user so far, but I plan on making the switch to radeon. I was looking at the 5750 1gb, about $150 is my price range. Which are the best manufacturers for radeon cards?

How much better performance could I expect? Currently I can only play 1000X800 with everything on low, barely.

Thanks in advance


With that CPU you don't want to get something like a GTX 460 that will be severely bottlenecked by by a weak CPU. In the $150 range you can look at either a 5770, just be sure your PSU can power it. Also keep in mind that all the bigger GPUs like the 5770 and the GTX 460 require two 6-pin connectors.

If you need a GPU that requires only one 6-pin connector, then you would want to consider either a 5750, or the new GTS 450 like this one for $120:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814187120&cm_re=gts_450-_-14-187-120-_-Product
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My brother is wanting to get ffxiv for his computer but he really isn't sure what he needs to get it up and running and I really don't have a clue either.
So this is what he has and he will be checking to see what you all have to say.


CPU1 : Intel® Celeron® Processor 450
(2.20GHz, 512KB cache, 800MHz FSB)


NVIDIA® GeForce® 7050

500GB 7200rpm SATA

http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=ET1831-05
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Less than 0% chance of running the game on that rig, and nothing you can do to upgrade it. You will need to pony up at least $700 for a new one.
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CPU:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115213
MoBo:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128412
GPU:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125333
RAM:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277
Power Supply:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151094

Building a rig with these parts. My question is how important is it to get some thermal compound for the processor or a different cpu cooler. I will most likely not be overclocking. Also, how important is an anti-static shock pad for when I build it. Thank you in advance.

Edited, Sep 22nd 2010 8:34pm by r0und3r988
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I bought this 2 months ago and wanted to upgrade it to play FFXIV. Can anyone tell me what part to buy that will work with the parts I currently have. I'm willing to pay less than 500-1000$ for this upgrade. The game runs but at fps of 9-13 when I'm in game (setting all low). Please help.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6325022&csid=ITD&body=MAIN#detailspecs

Processor Brand: AMD
Processor Class: Athlon II X2
Processor Number: 215
Processor Speed: 2.70GHz
Processor Interface: Socket AM3
Processors Supported: 1
Processors Onboard: 1

Memory Type: DDR3
Memory Size: 2 x 2048MB
Total Memory: 4.0GB

GPU/VPU: ATI Radeon HD 4250
Video Memory: 512MB of dedicated system memory

Power: 300 Watt




Edited, Sep 22nd 2010 8:45pm by RieAsashi
#1485 Sep 22 2010 at 8:15 PM Rating: Good
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Bezmir wrote:
My brother is wanting to get ffxiv for his computer but he really isn't sure what he needs to get it up and running and I really don't have a clue either.
So this is what he has and he will be checking to see what you all have to say.


CPU1 : Intel® Celeron® Processor 450
(2.20GHz, 512KB cache, 800MHz FSB)


NVIDIA® GeForce® 7050

500GB 7200rpm SATA

http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=ET1831-05


Read the original "first" post on this thread. You pretty much need to upgrade everything to play the game. Maybe harddrives and cd-roms etc., can be salvaged but that is about it.
#1486 Sep 22 2010 at 8:18 PM Rating: Decent
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So looking to build a new PC for FFXIV and a handful of other games with a focus on making it an easily upgradeable set up that will last me a while. Ive read through this entire thread 2+ times and heres what Ive come up with.

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 BE (3.2GHz)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103808&cm_re=amd_phenom_ii_x4-_-19-103-808-_-Product

Is the 965 worth the extra $20, am I really going to see much of a noticeable improvement?

MOBO: ASUS M4A79XTD EVO AM3 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131402&cm_re=asus_790-_-13-131-402-_-Product

I want to be able to throw another graphics card in this in a year or so, Ive read that the dual 8x link PCI express 2.0 wont show much of a slow down compared to a dual 16x, is that right? Would it make sense to throw come extra money at a 790FX or one of the 890 chipset boards that have dual 16x link PCI express 2.0 slots?? Out of all the components im most unfamiliar with what to look for in a mobo, so any help here would be greatly appreciated.

GPU: Gigabyte ATI HD 5830
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125317&Tpk=gigabyte%20hd%205830

Not really sure about different manufactures for graphics cards, is there a different brand i should get?

PSU: Corsair 850w
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139009&cm_re=corsair_850w-_-17-139-009-_-Product

RAM: G.SKILL ripjaw 4gb (2x2gb) DDR3 1600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231303&cm_re=gskill_ripjaw_ddr3_1600-_-20-231-303-_-Product


With the thought of future upgrades in mind, I just wanted to make sure that Ill be okay adding another HD 58XX in crossfire and maybe a phenom II X6 processor in a year or so. The thing im really not sure about is the longevity of the mobo. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance!!!
#1487 Sep 22 2010 at 8:27 PM Rating: Good
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I bought this 2 months ago and wanted to upgrade it to play FFXIV. Can anyone tell me what part to buy that will work with the parts I currently have. I'm willing to pay less than 500-1000$ for this upgrade. The game runs but at fps of 9-13 when I'm in game (setting all low). Please help.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6325022&csid=ITD&body=MAIN#detailspecs

Processor Brand: AMD
Processor Class: Athlon II X2
Processor Number: 215
Processor Speed: 2.70GHz
Processor Interface: Socket AM3
Processors Supported: 1
Processors Onboard: 1

Memory Type: DDR3
Memory Size: 2 x 2048MB
Total Memory: 4.0GB

GPU/VPU: ATI Radeon HD 4250
Video Memory: 512MB of dedicated system memory

Power: 300 Watt




Edited, Sep 22nd 2010 8:45pm by RieAsashi


Find out if your motherboard can handle a 4 core processor.

Your video card is very outdated. Most are going with a 460 geforce, others are doing ati and I am not as familiar with them.

You will need a new power supply if you upgrade those two components. Personally I would start with a graphics card and power supply if the power is needed. Here are some graphs so that you can see some things to consider. Research other benchmarks as well to arrive at a conclusion. Also, find out if the hardware will fit into your case etc. Read the first post on this thread to see a good understanding of expectations.

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html
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alright i really can't stand it anymore, so im looking into getting a pc altho i can't really afford it, im kinda pc illiterate too 2 questions.

1. is "EVGA 01G-P3-N945-LR GeForce 9400 GT 1GB DDR2 PCI-E 2.0 video Card" good enough to run the game on low you think? (i know theres words there somewhere)

2 how does nvidia work? is nVidia GT 220 higher then nvidia 9400? because the 220 seems to be in more expencive computers.
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Hi everyone! I have been reading through much of this thread and trying to put together a new PC for myself that will run FFXIV with minimal problems. I think I am getting the gist of the basics of each component, but I am clueless when it comes to compatibility!! So I was hoping I could get some advice. I have a budget of $900-ish, but I'm going to use the graphics card I already have (Galaxy GTX 465; it may not be THE best, but what's done is done :) ).

Here is what I am looking at so far:
Motherboard & Processor ($290): http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.500636
RAM ($130): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148247
Power Supply ($170): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139016
PSU Cooler ($30): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103064
Hard Drive ($150): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227542
CD-ROM ($20): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106334
Case: ($60): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133074

Here's a link to the graphics card I have, for compatibility purposes (again, I already own this card, so it's non-negotiable) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814162052&cm_re=galaxy_465-_-14-162-052-_-Product

Also, since the solid-state drive is so pricey for the amount of space, I would like to also use the regular HDD that I already have in my current PC as a secondary drive.

Will this all work? Or am I totally off the mark?? XD Of course if you have any other suggestions (better bang-for-your-buck components, other things I'll need to put it together, etc), I'd love to hear them. Thanks so much! Everyone in this thread is so helpful and obliging :)
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Hi everyone! I have been reading through much of this thread and trying to put together a new PC for myself that will run FFXIV with minimal problems. I think I am getting the gist of the basics of each component, but I am clueless when it comes to compatibility!! So I was hoping I could get some advice. I have a budget of $900-ish, but I'm going to use the graphics card I already have (Galaxy GTX 465; it may not be THE best, but what's done is done :) ).

Here is what I am looking at so far:
Motherboard & Processor ($290): http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.500636
RAM ($130): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148247
Power Supply ($170): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139016
PSU Cooler ($30): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103064
Hard Drive ($150): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227542
CD-ROM ($20): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106334
Case: ($60): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133074

Here's a link to the graphics card I have, for compatibility purposes (again, I already own this card, so it's non-negotiable) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814162052&cm_re=galaxy_465-_-14-162-052-_-Product

Also, since the solid-state drive is so pricey for the amount of space, I would like to also use the regular HDD that I already have in my current PC as a secondary drive.

Will this all work? Or am I totally off the mark?? XD Of course if you have any other suggestions (better bang-for-your-buck components, other things I'll need to put it together, etc), I'd love to hear them. Thanks so much! Everyone in this thread is so helpful and obliging :)


For some reason or another, the AMD's just can't compare to the i7 series, when it comes to gaming. I'm just going by what I am seeing in reviews, for that statement.

I would cut the Solid State Drive, as you really don't need anything like that, yet (and they are just way too pricey for what you are getting). You can also save some money on the PSU by getting this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207003&Tpk=xfx%20750
ROCK SOLID PSU and is recommended for Nvidia cards. I have one, myself.

With the money you save with the solid state drive and PSU, I would get this MoBo:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131665&cm_re=asus_sabertooth-_-13-131-665-_-Product

And then the i7-950. And the RAM scares me, since it has no heatsinks. Maybe get this?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145220&cm_re=corsair_xms3-_-20-145-220-_-Product

That's all just my two gil. :)
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MoBo:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128412
GPU:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125333
RAM:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277
Power Supply:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151094

Building a rig with these parts. My question is how important is it to get some thermal compound for the processor or a different cpu cooler. I will most likely not be overclocking. Also, how important is an anti-static shock pad for when I build it. Thank you in advance.

Sorry for the second post, just looking for a quick answer before I order.
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So, I can't take it anymore, and I'm probably a day away from ordering my computer(should get in by October 10th at the latest).

I found a deal that lets me upgrade the GTX 460 1GB I was getting to a 2GB card. I assume that is a good deal and if the 1GB is compatible the 2GB will be compatible with my setup. Right? Thank you very much! I hope everyone is having fun playing the game, but I just can't take it anymore. lol NEED TO PLAY!!!
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alright i really can't stand it anymore, so im looking into getting a pc altho i can't really afford it, im kinda pc illiterate too 2 questions.

1. is "EVGA 01G-P3-N945-LR GeForce 9400 GT 1GB DDR2 PCI-E 2.0 video Card" good enough to run the game on low you think? (i know theres words there somewhere)

2 how does nvidia work? is nVidia GT 220 higher then nvidia 9400? because the 220 seems to be in more expencive computers.


1. No, the 9400 GT is not good enough for this game, unfortunately.

2. Here's a list of video cards in order of performance.
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CPU:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115213
MoBo:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128412
GPU:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125333
RAM:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277
Power Supply:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151094

Building a rig with these parts. My question is how important is it to get some thermal compound for the processor or a different cpu cooler. I will most likely not be overclocking. Also, how important is an anti-static shock pad for when I build it. Thank you in advance.

Sorry for the second post, just looking for a quick answer before I order.


If you're not overclocking, you don't need an aftermarket thermal paste.

Anti-static pads: I actually have no knowledge about this, but I've never used one so it's not necessary. Probably doesn't hurt to use one though.
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I assume that is a good deal and if the 1GB is compatible the 2GB will be compatible with my setup. Right?


Correct. :)

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My laptop (Xps m1730) got a benchmark score of 1486. Figured I'd give it a shot and well either it was the server (Bodhum) or me. And sadly I can't do anything to upgrade my machine. So! This is the machine I'm looking at. And I'm just posting the specs of it and making sure it can run FF14 well.

Overclocked Intel® Core™ i7 930 Quad Core Processor (3.36GHz, 8MB Cache)
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English
Dual 1GB GDDR5 ATI Radeon™ HD 5770 CrossfireX™ Enabled
6GB Triple Channel 1333Mhz DDR3
Liquid Cooled anyway

Only other main items not listed is 500 gb hard drive (not bothering with a 1 tb), blue ray drive/cd-dvd burner combo, and integrated sound card

Going to run me about 2400 with taxes and standard 7 day shipping. Any issues you think with current games out there? Civilization 5, Ff14 etc. And how soon you think I'll need to upgrade.
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My laptop (Xps m1730) got a benchmark score of 1486. Figured I'd give it a shot and well either it was the server (Bodhum) or me. And sadly I can't do anything to upgrade my machine. So! This is the machine I'm looking at. And I'm just posting the specs of it and making sure it can run FF14 well.

Overclocked Intel® Core™ i7 930 Quad Core Processor (3.36GHz, 8MB Cache)
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English
Dual 1GB GDDR5 ATI Radeon™ HD 5770 CrossfireX™ Enabled
6GB Triple Channel 1333Mhz DDR3
Liquid Cooled anyway

Only other main items not listed is 500 gb hard drive (not bothering with a 1 tb), blue ray drive/cd-dvd burner combo, and integrated sound card

Going to run me about 2400 with taxes and standard 7 day shipping. Any issues you think with current games out there? Civilization 5, Ff14 etc. And how soon you think I'll need to upgrade.


2400?! Is that in US dollars? If so, that's a HUGE rip off.
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It's from Alien ware and 2400 includes tax (welcome to new york city), monitor and the usual outside stuff. Without the monitor and others it's probably less then 2k. Tax hurts.
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Well.... I don't know a ton about computers nor building them. I can't really justify spending a ton of money on a brand new computer. So, I'll slowly be saving up until I can purchase a new system. As of now, I'd love to just be able to play the game.. Even if we're talking about low settings.

Intel(R) Core2 Duo @2.33 GHZ
3GB installed Memory
64-bit Windows 7
Graphics card ATI Radeon 2400 PRO HD


Before laughing at my specs, I understand already that this is a weak machine and I know for sure I should upgrade my Graphics card. I hope someone can guide me in the right direction in order to upgrade.

I would have no problem purchasing a new CPU and Graphics card. Anything besides buying a new computer! I unfortunately, have a Dell system. One of my co-workers explained that upgrading Dells are a B****.
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It's from Alien ware and 2400 includes tax (welcome to new york city), monitor and the usual outside stuff. Without the monitor and others it's probably less then 2k. Tax hurts.


Even with a monitor, 2400 is insanely steep. Alienware is a huge ripoff.

If you don't mind not having the Alienware brand, you can buy that system from another website for significantly less. Try cyberpowerpc or something. You can get that system for less than 1,500 bucks without the monitor.
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Kusa01 wrote:
It's from Alien ware and 2400 includes tax (welcome to new york city), monitor and the usual outside stuff. Without the monitor and others it's probably less then 2k. Tax hurts.


Even with a monitor, 2400 is insanely steep. Alienware is a huge ripoff.

If you don't mind not having the Alienware brand, you can buy that system from another website for significantly less. Try cyberpowerpc or something. You can get that system for less than 1,500 bucks without the monitor.


Friends had to replace multiple parts from both cyberpowerpc and ibuy machines. They really use bad parts or refurbished stuff that sucks. Actually with my company discount without the monitor and all the other stuff it's about 1600. Before tax. Just tax in NYC is pretty bad.
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