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#1602 Sep 28 2010 at 4:26 AM Rating: Decent
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kingklops wrote:
firstly i'd like to thank all the contributors here. got a lot of great input. after like four weeks of this thread, and countless other tech forums, i think this is the one...

CPU: i7 930 - $200
MOBO: asus p6x58d-e - $230
GPU(s): msi gtx 460 cyclone 1gb ddr5 oc sli - $400
RAM: mushkin enhanced redline 6gb 1600 ddr3 cas 6 - $180
SSD: ocz vertex 2 60gb - $130
HDD: samsung f3 1tb - $75
DVD: sh*tty dvd drive - $20
CASE: haf x - $200
PSU: corsair 850hx - $170
CPU COOLER: corsair h70 - $110
OS: windows 7 - $100

total: ~$1820

prices will fluctuate i'm sure over the next week but thats my skeleton. i'm going to be gaming at 1920x1200. i love the OC potential in the CPU and GPUs. i'm going with the h70 water cooler instead of the noctua nh-d14 because i dont want to draw hot air from my GPUs into my CPU cooler. i'll set it up like this http://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/h70-airflow.jpg with the radiator in the rear 120mm.

i should note that my weakest area of research was definitely my PSU. i'd imagine the 850hx's 850w should handle the load fine. i know that a single msi gtx 460 cyclone 1gb oc requires 318w at full stress. i have to admit i'd be more at ease hearing someone else agree with me though.

all in all though i really love this build, thoughts?

Edited, Sep 28th 2010 5:13am by kingklops



Nice build, I'm jealous. Your PSU is fine, even when overclocking your system. :)
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#1603 Sep 28 2010 at 4:32 AM Rating: Decent
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GusMorgan wrote:
Alright, so I have decided to upgrade my motherboard, cpu and ram so I can play FFXIV until it is released on ps3 (6 months truly is too long to wait)

So I was thinking of going either with a Intel i7 950 or AMD phenom II 955 BE. 2 things:

1. there is an approx 250 dollar price diffrence between those two + respective motherboard fitting (1366 seems to be alot more pricey). is the i7 really that much better?
2. can you recommend me some motherboards since I have NO idea what to look for and to keep it future proof.


Edit: looking through this post and previous comments i've also concidered going with an i5 760 since it is far less pricey and seems to have decent performance? is this true?

Thanks!



The i7 950 indeed is quite a better CPU than the AMD 955, but the 955 gives you a better bang for your buck. So it's up to you whether you want to go with performance or value.

Disregarding CPU socket, pretty much any motherboard with two or more PCIe 2.0 slots (that can run SLI and/or Crossfire), 2 or more SATA 3 connectors, and extra RAM slots are considered futureproof by me. So find any motherboard on Newegg with what I just mentioned and you should be good for at least a few years.

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#1604 Sep 28 2010 at 5:06 AM Rating: Decent
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kingklops wrote:
firstly i'd like to thank all the contributors here. got a lot of great input. after like four weeks of this thread, and countless other tech forums, i think this is the one...

CPU: i7 930 - $200
MOBO: asus p6x58d-e - $230
GPU(s): msi gtx 460 cyclone 1gb ddr5 oc sli - $400
RAM: mushkin enhanced redline 6gb 1600 ddr3 cas 6 - $180
SSD: ocz vertex 2 60gb - $130
HDD: samsung f3 1tb - $75
DVD: sh*tty dvd drive - $20
CASE: haf x - $200
PSU: corsair 850hx - $170
CPU COOLER: corsair h70 - $110
OS: windows 7 - $100

total: ~$1820

prices will fluctuate i'm sure over the next week but thats my skeleton. i'm going to be gaming at 1920x1200. i love the OC potential in the CPU and GPUs. i'm going with the h70 water cooler instead of the noctua nh-d14 because i dont want to draw hot air from my GPUs into my CPU cooler. i'll set it up like this http://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/h70-airflow.jpg with the radiator in the rear 120mm.

i should note that my weakest area of research was definitely my PSU. i'd imagine the 850hx's 850w should handle the load fine. i know that a single msi gtx 460 cyclone 1gb oc requires 318w at full stress. i have to admit i'd be more at ease hearing someone else agree with me though.

all in all though i really love this build, thoughts?

Edited, Sep 28th 2010 5:13am by kingklops


You'll be fine. My XFX 750 Black is certified for SLI with the 460. Your Corsair is listed here as well:
http://www.slizone.com/object/slizone_build_psu.html
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Another question whats a better desktop gpu

1 1x EVGA Nvidia GTX 260 1gb

2. 2x ATI Radeon HD 4850 graphic card 512mb

(for those that forgot only looking to run on low)


It's quite debatable, but I personally recommend the single 260. That way you have the option of adding a second 260 in the future.
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Im getting paid on Wednesday and have put aside approx £150 (UK) to actually get my machine to run FFXIV.

CPU - E8400 Duo @ 3.0ghz (at stock - not really want to O/C much atm)
Ram - 2 Gig DDR2
GPU - GE Force 8400 GS

Now I was planning to purchase a 1gb GTX 460 (Palit) however someone said to me today there would be no point as my CPU would bottleneck. So can anyone tell me the best graphics card I should buy to compliment my CPU.


Radeon HD 5770 is my recommendation.
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Zenoxio wrote:
Looking for a PSU, any suggestions?

Vid card: Radeon HD 5850 (500 Watt or greater power supply with two 75W 6-pin PCI Express® power connectors recommended)
Mobo: ASUS P6T WS PRO LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Core i7 / Xeon Intel Motherboard
Processor: i7 920

I'm looking at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182173


What's your budget?

I recommend this, although it's a bit more expensive than what you were looking at:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005&Tpk=tx650

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The problem I run into however is that this processor is a AM2+ socket, and I believe my motherboard is regular AM2. My mobo is a Veriton M410 and I'm not sure if it's compatible with this new processor, anybody able to help me?


AM2 and AM2+ are compatible. It's just that you won't be getting the benefits of AM2+.
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davieccc wrote:

hey Threx thanks for the advice, i was also gonna post an alternate build i was thinking about and totally forgot. It works out at around the same price as the i3 set up i posted earlier.

Case: Antec 300
- Power Supply: Corsair Extreme 600W
- CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition 3.20GHz overclocked to 3.60GHz
- Cooler: Titan Fenrir EVO CPU Cooler
- Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-MA78LMT-US2H AMD 760G (AM3) Motherboard
- RAM: Corsair XMS3 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9
- Hard Drives: Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB SATA-II 16MB Cache
- Graphics Card: MSI GTX 470 1280MB GDDR5
- Optical Drive: OcUK 22x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black).

After checking all the prices it works out £1 less expensive lol.
would this set up be able to run the game ok? Same as before as long as i can play the game and enjoy on maybe standard settings i would be happy?

Any advice would be appriciated.


This would be a better system than the first one you posted. The 955 + 470 combination is more balanced. And since you are getting an aftermarket cooler, you can easily overclock your CPU a bit since this CPU has an unlocked multiplier.

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#1610 Sep 28 2010 at 10:05 AM Rating: Decent
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AM2 and AM2+ are compatible. It's just that you won't be getting the benefits of AM2+.


You know I had read that most were, but not ALL AM2 motherboards would accomodate an AM2+ chip, and any lists of compatable mobos I found didn't have mine listed on them. You're absolutely sure the processor I listed will fit in my mobo?

But then I hit the wall that my mobo still uses DDR2 ram, so I eventually wanna UG to an AM3 mobo with DDR3 slots and 2 PCI-e slots(mine only has 1 so no dual card set-ups :(...)



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Oh, then in that case I'm not sure if your CPU and Mobo will be compatible then. Maybe switch to one of the mobos that you sure is compatible? >.>
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#1612 Sep 28 2010 at 10:49 AM Rating: Decent
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I just upgrade some of my parts in my pc but im still getting lag and a low bench mark score what i have is 4Gig of DDR2 ram and Windows XP Profesinal SP3
mother board
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=K10N780SLIX3-WiFi

Video card
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?

CPU
EdpNo=4914257&CatId=2234
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5774823&Sku=A79-1550

Any ideas what i could do to get Higher then a 1235 Benchmark score?
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@ Threx

Thanks very much for the info however based on all I have read the GTX 1GB 460 out performs the Hd5770.

They are both the same price (give or take) and although I have always been an Nvidia Junkie I am more than happy to jump ship if FFXIV plays better with a 5770?

Just wondering why you chose the 5770 over the 460?

Many thanks
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Just wondering why you chose the 5770 over the 460?


From what I've read in the millions of pages in this thread it runs a lot quieter and cooler, which as an equal performing card = better.
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#1615Vurox, Posted: Sep 28 2010 at 7:57 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) So I decided to upgrade my pc to at least get the game runnable at low settings without much of a slowdown.
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So here is my situation. I'm going to college soon and I need a laptop, I would go with desktop gaming over laptop gaming any day but I need to combine the two. Another problem is I'm over here in Ontario, Canada so I'm only looking at the Canadian sites. So far I have been looking through www.newegg.ca and www.bestbuy.ca for the best deals but they seem to be roughly all the same. I know its a pain to ask this but would someone be able to help me pick a laptop for roughly $1200 or less on a Canadian site? As long as it can run FFXIV medium settings I'm happy. Thank you in advance! :)
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@ Threx

Thanks very much for the info however based on all I have read the GTX 1GB 460 out performs the Hd5770.

They are both the same price (give or take) and although I have always been an Nvidia Junkie I am more than happy to jump ship if FFXIV plays better with a 5770?

Just wondering why you chose the 5770 over the 460?

Many thanks



Oh, didn't notice your 150 budget was in pounds and not dollars. >.> Go with the 460 then.
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So I decided to upgrade my pc to at least get the game runnable at low settings without much of a slowdown.

Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128380
Video Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150447
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115207

Already have 4 gigs of ddr 2 ram. And I might just stick with my 2.66ghz Intel core 2 duo E7300 since it seems like people are doing fine with that type of processor and just upgrading there graphics card. What do you guys think?


Upgrade your GPU first and see how it goes? Then if you're still not satisfied, upgrade your CPU.
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#1619 Sep 29 2010 at 8:17 AM Rating: Good
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If I buy an ATI Radeon HD 5570 card, would that be able to run XIV better than my current GeForce 9500 GS (desktop model)?

Edit:

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/asus-ati-radeon-hd-5570-pci-e-graphics-card-1gb-06282158-pdt.html <-- That's the one I'm thinking of but..
I know more about the atmospherical conditions on jupiter than I know about computers so could anyone have a look for me, please? :o

Edited, Sep 29th 2010 10:21am by Necta
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Necta wrote:
If I buy an ATI Radeon HD 5570 card, would that be able to run XIV better than my current GeForce 9500 GS (desktop model)?

Edit:

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/asus-ati-radeon-hd-5570-pci-e-graphics-card-1gb-06282158-pdt.html <-- That's the one I'm thinking of but..
I know more about the atmospherical conditions on jupiter than I know about computers so could anyone have a look for me, please? :o

Edited, Sep 29th 2010 10:21am by Necta



I would say yes i went from a Geforce 9400GT to a Raiden HD4650 and i jumped 600 on the benchmark
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natwig wrote:
Necta wrote:
If I buy an ATI Radeon HD 5570 card, would that be able to run XIV better than my current GeForce 9500 GS (desktop model)?

Edit:

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/asus-ati-radeon-hd-5570-pci-e-graphics-card-1gb-06282158-pdt.html <-- That's the one I'm thinking of but..
I know more about the atmospherical conditions on jupiter than I know about computers so could anyone have a look for me, please? :o

Edited, Sep 29th 2010 10:21am by Necta



I would say yes i went from a Geforce 9400GT to a Raiden HD4650 and i jumped 600 on the benchmark



Any idea if using 2 GPU's makes alot of difference or just slightly improves performance? :o

Ps. I don't even know if my motherboard can take 2 GPU's :/ nor do I know how to find out lol
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Necta wrote:
natwig wrote:
Necta wrote:
If I buy an ATI Radeon HD 5570 card, would that be able to run XIV better than my current GeForce 9500 GS (desktop model)?

Edit:

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/asus-ati-radeon-hd-5570-pci-e-graphics-card-1gb-06282158-pdt.html <-- That's the one I'm thinking of but..
I know more about the atmospherical conditions on jupiter than I know about computers so could anyone have a look for me, please? :o

Edited, Sep 29th 2010 10:21am by Necta



I would say yes i went from a Geforce 9400GT to a Raiden HD4650 and i jumped 600 on the benchmark



Any idea if using 2 GPU's makes alot of difference or just slightly improves performance? :o

Ps. I don't even know if my motherboard can take 2 GPU's :/ nor do I know how to find out lol



As of today, 2 ATI gpus do improve performance, but 2 NVIDIA gpus do not. Upon official release of the game, both card manufacturers had flaws in profiles or drivers for multiple card acceleration causing the framerate to either not go up at all or actually go down with more than one graphics card in SLI or Xfire. As of a couple days ago AMD released an update for ATI gpus to fix the problem. As of now, NVIDIA has still not released a fix and is giving no information on whether they will or not or when it will happen. You can mess with the profile files if you are computer savy enough to do so and force the cards to work better in SLI on a geforce card. I've had some minimal success, but nothing like it should be with full SLI support. In short, as of now I'm not sure how well people can comment on the helpfulness of dual graphics cards for FFXIV. We'll know better in a month hopefully.

To know if your motherboard supports it, open your computer and see if you can see pci-express x16 slots, which are the really big connectors, one of which will have a card sticking out of it already (your current graphics card). If your motherboard supports multiple GPUs look for another slot or 2 or 3 that are completely identical to the one your current video card is attached to (though it may be a different color, it must be the same exact size; it will not be white; they are usually blue, or black). On top of that you have to find out what model your motherboard is and see if its chipset supports SLI or crossfire. SLI is the system used by geforce cards. Crossfire is the system used by ATI/AMD Radeon cards. Your motherboard may have the words "Crossfire" or "SLI" written in white somewhere to indicate support of the feature.

Edited, Sep 29th 2010 12:36pm by haydyn323
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Hey everyone. Question for you on if my system will run the game with a GTX 470 video card upgrade.

Currently I have an AMD Athlon II X4 630 (2.8ghz) with 8gb DDR2 Ram. Everything else is not of concern I suppose. I know plenty about computers, I'm just not that into computer games, so I want to make sure the video card upgrade will allow me to play the game without lag. I don't need it to look incredible graphically, as it's not that important, I just don't want a lot of lag.

Thanks everyone.

Edit is for DDR2 ram...not ddr :p

Edited, Sep 29th 2010 7:16pm by empathycontrols
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GTX470 will work very well for the game. Most of the lag you get nowadays are from the server instead of inability to process shinny graphics.

Edited, Sep 29th 2010 6:48pm by OneFatAngel
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With the la so bad I can't even get past the battle tutorial, I have to resign to the fact that my year old laptop probably cant handle the game. I was looking around the HP website and came up with this build for under $1200. would this play the game ok? if not I am open to suggestions and am willing to spend more on upgrades. but after having this game for over a week I would like to play already =(

Operating system Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit edit
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-720QM Quad Core processor (1.6GHz, 6MB L3 Cache) with Turbo Boost up to 2.8 GHz edit
Graphics card 1GB ATI Mobility Radeon(TM) HD 5650 Graphics [HDMI, VGA] - For Quad Core Processors edit
Memory FREE Upgrade to 6GB DDR3 System Memory (2 Dimm) edit
Hard drive FREE Upgrade to 640GB 5400RPM Hard Drive with HP ProtectSmart Hard Drive Protection edit
Office software Microsoft(R) Office Starter 2010 edit
Security software No additional security software edit
Primary battery 6 Cell Lithium Ion Battery (standard) - Up to 5 hours of battery life +++ edit
Display 15.6" diagonal High Definition LED HP Brightview Widescreen Display (1366x768) edit
Touchscreen No TouchScreen (includes HP TrueVision Webcam) edit
Primary optical drive SuperMulti 8X DVD+/-R/RW with Double Layer Support edit
Networking Intel Wireless-N Card edit
Keyboard Standard Keyboard
thank you for your time guys I appriciate any help
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Like everyone else considering upgrading graphics. My current system can run the game on low resolution with standard default settings, but would like to bump it up some. The only thing I mainly notice in game is slow loading of other ppl when in crowded areas.

My current system:

Intel Motherboard: Asus P5N-D LGA 775 Nvidia nForce 750i SLI ATX
Intel Processor: Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0 GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W
Graphics: EVGA GeForce 8800GT 512M
Memory: Corsair 2Gx2 Twin 2x4096-6400C4DHX
Hard Drive: WD Caviar Blue 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s
Power Supply: Cooler Master 650W Real Power Pro
Operating System: Vista64

FFXIV Benchmark: 2900-2964 on low resolution (High resolution was 1661)

How much of a difference will upgrading the graphics card to:

EVGA GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5

Thank you for your time
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Katralla wrote:
Like everyone else considering upgrading graphics. My current system can run the game on low resolution with standard default settings, but would like to bump it up some. The only thing I mainly notice in game is slow loading of other ppl when in crowded areas.

My current system:

Intel Motherboard: Asus P5N-D LGA 775 Nvidia nForce 750i SLI ATX
Intel Processor: Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0 GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W
Graphics: EVGA GeForce 8800GT 512M
Memory: Corsair 2Gx2 Twin 2x4096-6400C4DHX
Hard Drive: WD Caviar Blue 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s
Power Supply: Cooler Master 650W Real Power Pro
Operating System: Vista64

FFXIV Benchmark: 2900-2964 on low resolution (High resolution was 1661)

How much of a difference will upgrading the graphics card to:

EVGA GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5

Thank you for your time
Kat


Your cpu will be your main bottle neck. Slapping a GTX470 will boost your high score to 3k or so and your low res score just a little above your high res score, since res get to use more of your cpu power.
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#1629 Sep 30 2010 at 2:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok, this isn't really a building question, but I'm sure someone here can help with it. I have kind of a sub-par system for running FFXIV I think, but regardless whenever I try to enable SLI on my system I crash out and cannot boot outside of Safe Mode. I have an ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe Motherboard and Nvidia GeForce 8500GT x2 with an SLI cable attached. All my drivers are up to date and it would crash me out on both XP 32-bit and & Ultimate edition 64-bit. Any ideas on how I can get around this?
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I'm getting ready to install an i7 980 Extreme and 2 GTX 480's in my system. I'll keep you posted, and I hope I can get 6k+ on the benchmark
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Ati users, especially crossfire X, go into 3d, click AA tab,click on edge detect on the filter tab. Made it perform a little bit better.

Edited, Sep 30th 2010 11:42am by Spyrit178
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#1632 Sep 30 2010 at 10:56 AM Rating: Decent
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I just upgrade some of my parts in my pc but im still getting lag and a low bench mark score what i have is 4Gig of DDR2 ram and Windows XP Profesinal SP3
mother board
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=K10N780SLIX3-WiFi

Video card
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?

CPU
EdpNo=4914257&CatId=2234
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5774823&Sku=A79-1550

Any ideas what i could do to get Higher then a 1235 Benchmark score?
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I just upgrade some of my parts in my pc but im still getting lag and a low bench mark score what i have is 4Gig of DDR2 ram and Windows XP Profesinal SP3
mother board
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=K10N780SLIX3-WiFi

Video card
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?

CPU
EdpNo=4914257&CatId=2234
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5774823&Sku=A79-1550

Any ideas what i could do to get Higher then a 1235 Benchmark score?


Your video card link does not work correctly.
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Parsalyn wrote:
natwig wrote:
I just upgrade some of my parts in my pc but im still getting lag and a low bench mark score what i have is 4Gig of DDR2 ram and Windows XP Profesinal SP3
mother board
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=K10N780SLIX3-WiFi

Video card
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?

CPU
EdpNo=4914257&CatId=2234
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5774823&Sku=A79-1550

Any ideas what i could do to get Higher then a 1235 Benchmark score?


Your video card link does not work correctly.



try this http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5078951&CatId=3669
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OS: Windows® 7 32bit / 64bit OS: Windows XP/Vista/7
Processor: Intel® Core™ i7 (2.66GHz) or faster Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo 2.0ghz / AMD Athlon X2 2.0ghz
Memory: 4GB or more Memory: Win XP: 1.5Gb / Win 7: 2.0Gb
Storage: Install: 15GB or more Storage: Install: 15GB or more
Download: 6GB or more Download: 6GB or more
Video: NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 460 with 768MB VRAM Video: GeForce 9600 w/ 512 RAM / ATI HD 2900 512 RAM

Alternately you could go with a I5-760 2.8ghz, OC to 3.5-3.8ghz with good cpu/case cooling.
games dont use hyper-threading like the I7 cpu has. for video cards id go with a GTX 460 1gb or ATI equivalent model. should get you 4500-4800 on high settings
#1636 Oct 01 2010 at 2:54 AM Rating: Decent
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I just upgrade some of my parts in my pc but im still getting lag and a low bench mark score what i have is 4Gig of DDR2 ram and Windows XP Profesinal SP3
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http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=K10N780SLIX3-WiFi

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http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?

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EdpNo=4914257&CatId=2234
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5774823&Sku=A79-1550

Any ideas what i could do to get Higher then a 1235 Benchmark score?


Both your CPU and GPU are pretty weak, so you should upgrade both of those. Upgrading only one will result in a bottleneck by the other.

At least your motherboard supports AM3 so you can upgrade your CPU to one of the newer Phenoms without changing your motherboard + ram altogether, so that's some good news.

State your budget and we can see which CPU+GPU combination is "right" for you.
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Recommended System Specs: Minimum System Requirements:
OS: Windows® 7 32bit / 64bit OS: Windows XP/Vista/7
Processor: Intel® Core™ i7 (2.66GHz) or faster Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo 2.0ghz / AMD Athlon X2 2.0ghz
Memory: 4GB or more Memory: Win XP: 1.5Gb / Win 7: 2.0Gb
Storage: Install: 15GB or more Storage: Install: 15GB or more
Download: 6GB or more Download: 6GB or more
Video: NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 460 with 768MB VRAM Video: GeForce 9600 w/ 512 RAM / ATI HD 2900 512 RAM

Alternately you could go with a I5-760 2.8ghz, OC to 3.5-3.8ghz with good cpu/case cooling.
games dont use hyper-threading like the I7 cpu has. for video cards id go with a GTX 460 1gb or ATI equivalent model. should get you 4500-4800 on high settings


A single GTX 460 is not going to get you 4500-4800 on the benchmark on high, no matter how powerful your other hardware is.

The highest you could possibly get with a 460 is likely no more than 3500. My 460 (the Palit Sonic Platinum, arguably the fastest 460 on the market out of the box) only gets me 3200-3300 even when I have it overclocked (on top of the factory overclock) from 800 to 880.



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With the la so bad I can't even get past the battle tutorial, I have to resign to the fact that my year old laptop probably cant handle the game. I was looking around the HP website and came up with this build for under $1200. would this play the game ok? if not I am open to suggestions and am willing to spend more on upgrades. but after having this game for over a week I would like to play already =(

Operating system Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit edit
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-720QM Quad Core processor (1.6GHz, 6MB L3 Cache) with Turbo Boost up to 2.8 GHz edit
Graphics card 1GB ATI Mobility Radeon(TM) HD 5650 Graphics [HDMI, VGA] - For Quad Core Processors edit
Memory FREE Upgrade to 6GB DDR3 System Memory (2 Dimm) edit
Hard drive FREE Upgrade to 640GB 5400RPM Hard Drive with HP ProtectSmart Hard Drive Protection edit
Office software Microsoft(R) Office Starter 2010 edit
Security software No additional security software edit
Primary battery 6 Cell Lithium Ion Battery (standard) - Up to 5 hours of battery life +++ edit
Display 15.6" diagonal High Definition LED HP Brightview Widescreen Display (1366x768) edit
Touchscreen No TouchScreen (includes HP TrueVision Webcam) edit
Primary optical drive SuperMulti 8X DVD+/-R/RW with Double Layer Support edit
Networking Intel Wireless-N Card edit
Keyboard Standard Keyboard
thank you for your time guys I appriciate any help



Yes, that would "work", just don't expect to be able to turn many/any of the higher end graphical effects on. It would probably get you 20-40 fps playing at native resolution with no AA, no AO, no physics, dust, or extended draw effects. It may also need shadows turned down or off and textures on medium or so.
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Ok, this isn't really a building question, but I'm sure someone here can help with it. I have kind of a sub-par system for running FFXIV I think, but regardless whenever I try to enable SLI on my system I crash out and cannot boot outside of Safe Mode. I have an ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe Motherboard and Nvidia GeForce 8500GT x2 with an SLI cable attached. All my drivers are up to date and it would crash me out on both XP 32-bit and & Ultimate edition 64-bit. Any ideas on how I can get around this?


I strongly strongly recommend you upgrade. An Nvidia Geforece 460 gtx with 1gb gddr5 is only about $220 and will up your fps by about 16-20x (not joking at all) over 2x8500s.

Also, this game currently does not have nvidia drivers that have a profile capable of playing this game properly in SLI. In some cases the FPS gets lower when enabling it, and I guess in some cases like yours, it outright crashes the game to even try. Until Nvidia releases a driver beyond number 260.63 don't even try to use SLI for it.

And really, go get a new card. Even if you can't afford a gtx 460, get a 450 gts for $130 and that's still a 6-10x increase or so over what you are using now.
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I'm getting ready to install an i7 980 Extreme and 2 GTX 480's in my system. I'll keep you posted, and I hope I can get 6k+ on the benchmark


As of today SLI does not help FFXIV. There is not a good driver profile for it yet and actually runs faster in most situations on just one card. If you are buying a second gtx 480 just for this game I'd wait for a fix to come out.
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IF you have to choise between those 2 GPU, which one will you choise that worth the cash and can use for long term, as i mean longer than usually.

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 285M SLI : http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-285M-SLI.25624.0.html

ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5870 Crossfire: http://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Mobility-Radeon-HD-5870-Crossfire.29486.0.html

Link are for their spec
#1642 Oct 01 2010 at 10:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Hi guy,

Since the game has been released I wanted to ask those who have played the game and see what graphic cards run the game well.
I am about buy a new computer for FFXIV, but I was not sure in practice which graphic cards will run the game well without having to spend too much. Please let me know what graphic you have been using and how well it been able to run the game and at what setting. I would really appreciate it.
Thanks.

For example: how well does Radeon HD 5770 handle the game and what settings.
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Question for the savvy people in the thread.

I'm upgrading my video card from a Nvidia GTS250 to an ATI HD5770
I'm Upgrading from an AMD 64 X2 4200+ to a AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz(gonna have to change mobos to do this one as well.
Gonna eventually UG from my stupid 4GB DDR2 ram to 4+GB DDR3 ram.

The thing is I'm still running windows XP. Would I get a performance increase from upgrading to windows 7 since its 64 bit on top of all this?
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Deanerz wrote:
I'm getting ready to install an i7 980 Extreme and 2 GTX 480's in my system. I'll keep you posted, and I hope I can get 6k+ on the benchmark


As of today SLI does not help FFXIV. There is not a good driver profile for it yet and actually runs faster in most situations on just one card. If you are buying a second gtx 480 just for this game I'd wait for a fix to come out.


Oh, yeah, I know about that. The other 480 is just for icing on other games.

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Great thread and forum guys. I came from an old E8400 with an 8800GT and thinking about upgrading to something like this specifically for FF14. I used to go Nvidia but Ive heard good things about ATI recently, especially with ff14. so here goes:

MB Gigabyte X58A-UD3R SK-1366 with USB3.0 & SATA3 Motherboard
CPU Intel Quad i7-950 3.06GHz
RAM 3x Kingston 2GB DDR3-1333MHz ( Total 6GB of memory)
HDD WD Black Edition 1TB 64MB SATA 3 HDD 7200rpm
Video ATI-HD5970 2GB GDDR5 PCIE
Case undecided yet, looking at some antecs and an NZXT LEXA S LEXS
PS Corsair 850Watt Power supply
DVD LG 22x DVDRW SATA OEM Black
OS MS Win 7 Home Prem. 64bit OEM Eng.


question 1) is there really much of a perfomance increase with the 1333 ram compared to the 1600 ?

2) will this system be able to run FF on med-high settings in high res possible full hd with playable frames. I want a beautiful experience. if not please feel free to make suggestions. thanks a bunch!



Edited, Oct 1st 2010 3:13pm by PrototypeXIV
#1646 Oct 01 2010 at 3:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey all

I posted a few days ago about upgrading my system, but didn't really give as much info as I should have. Now, I am getting the much needed $ to upgrade the system, and wanted to get an opinion on what is best for me. Here are my specs!

Motherboard: Alienware® Approved NVIDIA nForce 590 SLI Motherboard
RAM:4gigs
Graphics Processor: Single Graphics Processors - 256MB NVIDIA® GeForce™ 8600 GTS
Processor: AMD Athlon™ 64 X2 5600+ Processor w/ HyperTransport and Dual Core Technology
Operating System (Office software not included): Genuine Windows Vista™ Home Premium

My main worry is that new processors, at least from the comp. building guide won't work with my motherboard. I figure, people here might know more than I about what I could get with the Motherboard I have, or if it would be necessary to buy a new MB. I am trying to do this well under $1000 so, the best I can do with that would be very helpful!
#1647 Oct 01 2010 at 3:15 PM Rating: Decent
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haydyn323 wrote:
shasd wrote:
Ok, this isn't really a building question, but I'm sure someone here can help with it. I have kind of a sub-par system for running FFXIV I think, but regardless whenever I try to enable SLI on my system I crash out and cannot boot outside of Safe Mode. I have an ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe Motherboard and Nvidia GeForce 8500GT x2 with an SLI cable attached. All my drivers are up to date and it would crash me out on both XP 32-bit and & Ultimate edition 64-bit. Any ideas on how I can get around this?


I strongly strongly recommend you upgrade. An Nvidia Geforece 460 gtx with 1gb gddr5 is only about $220 and will up your fps by about 16-20x (not joking at all) over 2x8500s.

Also, this game currently does not have nvidia drivers that have a profile capable of playing this game properly in SLI. In some cases the FPS gets lower when enabling it, and I guess in some cases like yours, it outright crashes the game to even try. Until Nvidia releases a driver beyond number 260.63 don't even try to use SLI for it.

And really, go get a new card. Even if you can't afford a gtx 460, get a 450 gts for $130 and that's still a 6-10x increase or so over what you are using now.


Yes, I know I need to upgrade. The problem isn't it crashing the game. It's SLI crashing my comp.

Edited, Oct 1st 2010 5:15pm by shasd
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Question for the savvy people in the thread.

I'm upgrading my video card from a Nvidia GTS250 to an ATI HD5770
I'm Upgrading from an AMD 64 X2 4200+ to a AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz(gonna have to change mobos to do this one as well.
Gonna eventually UG from my stupid 4GB DDR2 ram to 4+GB DDR3 ram.

The thing is I'm still running windows XP. Would I get a performance increase from upgrading to windows 7 since its 64 bit on top of all this?


To be totally honest, this game is a beast and needs a beast to handle it. If I were upgrading right now FOR this game I wouldn't get anything lower than an ATI 5850 or OC'd geforce 460GTX. Not even kidding. You'll see what I mean if you buy lower.

As for windows 7, no, it would not give you a performance increase. Windows 7 would only help for directX 10 or 11 games. This game runs on directX 9c. As for the 64 bit thing; unfortunately this game is 32 bit only and as such is locked to using 2GB ram/vid-ram total in any version of windows. All versions of windows only allow 2GB of total ram between main ram and video ram for any one 32-bit application (despite the ability to use up to 4GB for the entire system).

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IF you have to choise between those 2 GPU, which one will you choise that worth the cash and can use for long term, as i mean longer than usually.

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 285M SLI : http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-285M-SLI.25624.0.html

ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5870 Crossfire: http://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Mobility-Radeon-HD-5870-Crossfire.29486.0.html

Link are for their spec


If you are choosing between those 2, get a 5870. The only single card better than a 5870 is the geforce gtx 480. The 5870 will blow a 285 away. (on a side note, I am aware of the existence of the 5970, but it's a dual gpu card which as of now doesn't work well with this game compared to a single high powered gpu; though that may change in the future)
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Hi guy,

Since the game has been released I wanted to ask those who have played the game and see what graphic cards run the game well.
I am about buy a new computer for FFXIV, but I was not sure in practice which graphic cards will run the game well without having to spend too much. Please let me know what graphic you have been using and how well it been able to run the game and at what setting. I would really appreciate it.
Thanks.

For example: how well does Radeon HD 5770 handle the game and what settings.


Don't get anything lower than a geforce 460 GTX Overclocked to at least 750MHz+ or a radeon 5850. Anything less is going to disappoint you and won't leave room for the inevitable increase in requirements that later expansions are going to bring. That is if you want to get reasonable framerate (30-60fps) with no Antialiasing or ambient occlusion turned on at all. If you want that stuff you need a geforce gtx 480 or radeon 5870. I do not currently recommend a 5970 though as dual gpus don't currently work well with this game and as such a 5870 may actually be faster.

To be specific, this would be at 1920x1080 with shadows, textures, and texture filtering on high (which makes the game look much better; I recommend a card capable of this unless you want the game to look unrealistic and blocky) and native resolution rendering.

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#1651 Oct 01 2010 at 4:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Great thread and forum guys. I came from an old E8400 with an 8800GT and thinking about upgrading to something like this specifically for FF14. I used to go Nvidia but Ive heard good things about ATI recently, especially with ff14. so here goes:

MB Gigabyte X58A-UD3R SK-1366 with USB3.0 & SATA3 Motherboard
CPU Intel Quad i7-950 3.06GHz
RAM 3x Kingston 2GB DDR3-1333MHz ( Total 6GB of memory)
HDD WD Black Edition 1TB 64MB SATA 3 HDD 7200rpm
Video ATI-HD5970 2GB GDDR5 PCIE
Case undecided yet, looking at some antecs and an NZXT LEXA S LEXS
PS Corsair 850Watt Power supply
DVD LG 22x DVDRW SATA OEM Black
OS MS Win 7 Home Prem. 64bit OEM Eng.


question 1) is there really much of a perfomance increase with the 1333 ram compared to the 1600 ?

2) will this system be able to run FF on med-high settings in high res possible full hd with playable frames. I want a beautiful experience. if not please feel free to make suggestions. thanks a bunch!

Edited, Oct 1st 2010 3:13pm by PrototypeXIV


Ok, if you are looking for a true "beautiful experience" I have a couple suggestions. A radeon 5970 may not give you as good of fps as a 5870 as of the current state of the game. Dual GPU setups (crossfire/SLI/radeon5970/295GTX) are not working as people would expect they would in this game. Single powerful cards are showing the greatest results at the moment. I'm not sure if this is due to SE programming or lack of proper drivers from NVIDIA and AMD. I just wanted to warn you about that before buying a 650 dollar card that runs slower than a 400 dollar card in this game.

Having said that, the most powerful thing you can buy for this game at the moment is a gtx 480.

To answer your specific questions:
1: No there is not. In fact DDR3 1600 may actually run slower for games if the extra cycles per second were added at the expense of timings. For instance DDR3 1600 running at CL 9 may actually react in games slower than DDR3 1333 with a CL of 7. Look at all of the timings listed (usually several of them) and divide 1333 by those numbers to get how many actions of that particular type the ram can handle per second. For instance 1333/7 = 190.4 and 1600/9 = 177. That being the case, if you are looking for fast response in a game for the highest framerate, this example of 1333 ram would be the faster. High clock speeds tend to force the additional need for latency to compensate for the insane speed that the ram is cycling.

You need to look at the timings to see if any increase would occur at all. To beat CL 7 1333 ram, you need to have CL 8 or lower 1600 ram. To beat CL 8 1333 ram you need to get CL 10 or lower 1600. Finally, CL 9 1333 ram is almost identical in actual performance to CL 11 1600 ddr3 (if that even exists). That is a little guide for you. Compare prices and use this to determine what the best price per speed actually is. On a side note, low latency ram is usually very expensive when coupled with high clock speed, but you can get the best of both worlds. There is CL 6 and 7 1600 DDR3 ram out there if you are willing to pay a lot of money. They also tend to have large heat sinks on them and are more likely than other types of ram to cause a blue screen of death. CL 6 ddr3 1600 will be noticeably faster than ddr3 1333 with CL 9 (which is sort of the most common type of ram out there right now). Transfers to and from the ram would occur at 1.8x the speed from the 1600 CL6 than the 1333 CL9. On the other hand if both were CL 6, the 1600 would only be 1.2x faster.

To sum up, get a low CL 1333 if you are worried about it. The extra money and trouble with overclocking the "uncore" to even use ddr3 1600 is not really worth it unless you are into that kind of thing. (Core I7s can't natively run 1600 ram without an overclock.) In general, any 1333 will run this game well enough.

2: You will be able to play this game on all high settings with probably 4x AA, but not with ambient occlusion turned on (unless you want framerate to suffer). Currently no computer out there for a normal person can turn on all setting (16xAA, AO, depth of field) and 1920x1080 or higher and get more than choppy framerate.




Edited, Oct 1st 2010 6:30pm by haydyn323
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