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#1702 Oct 06 2010 at 10:25 AM Rating: Decent
Well that sucks but at least i know. So could i just replace everything in my current PC indivdually or complete new build ?
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Well that sucks but at least i know. So could i just replace everything in my current PC indivdually or complete new build ?


You will need a complete new build from the ground up.
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#1704 Oct 06 2010 at 12:40 PM Rating: Decent
Okay well i better get studying then haha.
#1705 Oct 06 2010 at 4:55 PM Rating: Decent
Okay so I've been looking into building my own PC. This is what I've got in mind.

Case - Novatech Pure ATX Tower Case

CPU - AMD Athlon II X4 630 Quad Core 2.8GHz Socket AM3

CPU Cooler - Coolermaster Hyper TX3

Motherboard - Asus M4A78LT-M AMD 760G (Socket AM3) PCI-Express DDR3 Motherboard

RAM - Novatech 2GB (1x2GB) DDR3 PC3-10666C9 1333MHz Single Channel Kit

Graphics - Novatech ATI Radeon 5750 1024MB GDDR5 DVI/HDMI PCI-Express Graphics Card

Sound - Creative Audigy 4 from my current pc

Optical - Samsung S223C 22x DVD+/-RW 8x Dual Layer DVD-RAM SATA Black - OEM

Hard Drive - Western Digital Caviar Green Power 1TB 64MB Cache Hard Disk Drive SATAII 300MB/s <8.9ms - OEM

Power - Novatech 650W ATX Power Supply for AMD and Intel Motherboards 20Pin + 4Pin

I Hope I haven't made any huge errors, please advise. Also could I use the hard drive that's in my current PC.



Edited, Oct 6th 2010 7:02pm by Satchafunkimus
#1706 Oct 06 2010 at 7:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Satchafunkimus wrote:
Okay so I've been looking into building my own PC. This is what I've got in mind.

Case - Novatech Pure ATX Tower Case

CPU - AMD Athlon II X4 630 Quad Core 2.8GHz Socket AM3

CPU Cooler - Coolermaster Hyper TX3

Motherboard - Asus M4A78LT-M AMD 760G (Socket AM3) PCI-Express DDR3 Motherboard

RAM - Novatech 2GB (1x2GB) DDR3 PC3-10666C9 1333MHz Single Channel Kit

Graphics - Novatech ATI Radeon 5750 1024MB GDDR5 DVI/HDMI PCI-Express Graphics Card

Sound - Creative Audigy 4 from my current pc

Optical - Samsung S223C 22x DVD+/-RW 8x Dual Layer DVD-RAM SATA Black - OEM

Hard Drive - Western Digital Caviar Green Power 1TB 64MB Cache Hard Disk Drive SATAII 300MB/s <8.9ms - OEM

Power - Novatech 650W ATX Power Supply for AMD and Intel Motherboards 20Pin + 4Pin

I Hope I haven't made any huge errors, please advise. Also could I use the hard drive that's in my current PC.



Edited, Oct 6th 2010 7:02pm by Satchafunkimus



I strongly recommend you not get an athlon II x4.

Get a Phenom II x4 or x6 of 3GHz or higher. An athlon x4 at 2.8 GHz won't handle this game even at minimal settings well.

I also strongly recommend that you use dual channel ram. Single channel doesn't cut it for this game either. The rest of it looks fine to play at reasonable (med-low) settings. As for your question, you can use any hard drive you want; just remember the older a hard drive gets, the more likely it is to fail or cause errors.

Edited, Oct 6th 2010 9:23pm by haydyn323
#1707 Oct 07 2010 at 2:47 AM Rating: Decent
Cheers, so im switching the processor to an AMD Quad Core Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition 3.2GHz Socket AM3. In terms of dual channel do i get 2 x 1 gb or do i need 2 x 2 gb ?
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You don't -need- 2x2gb, but I recommend it. 4gb of RAM is the "sweet spot" for today's computers.
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#1709 Oct 07 2010 at 6:38 AM Rating: Decent
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Satchafunkimus wrote:
Cheers, so im switching the processor to an AMD Quad Core Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition 3.2GHz Socket AM3. In terms of dual channel do i get 2 x 1 gb or do i need 2 x 2 gb ?


That should work for you nicely, and ya, I agree with the last post about the ram.
#1710 Oct 07 2010 at 1:36 PM Rating: Decent
Okay Sweet, thanks a lot. If anyone in the UK is thinking of building a computer for around £400 then that might be helpful.

Edited, Oct 7th 2010 3:36pm by Satchafunkimus
#1711 Oct 07 2010 at 5:11 PM Rating: Decent
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For those looking for an alternative to ps3 controller, this

http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/pd/productID.169418900/categoryId.35208800

works great with FFXIV.
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#1712 Oct 08 2010 at 1:09 AM Rating: Default
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I said this in another thread, but I feel it bears repeating. I made a single upgrade, a $70.00 GeForce 9600, and still at below minimum processor requirements (1.80), and with a mere 2.0G of RAM, the game runs fine. I don't have any more problems than folks that shelled out $1,000+ for this game only to quit a week later.
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It's great that you can enjoy the game, grats. But just to let you know, running the game "fine" means nothing here. "Fine" to you might be "bad" to someone else, and vice versa. If you want to let others know what your definition of "fine" is, let us know exactly what all the graphics settings you area running on and what fps you are getting in crowded areas and on the field. Then try cranking the graphics up high and let us know again what your fps is. Then others can decide if that performance is "fine" to them. :)

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#1714 Oct 08 2010 at 10:27 AM Rating: Default
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All graphics settings are on HIGH. /poke.
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All graphics settings are on HIGH. /poke.


That's not a straight answer. Tell us your resolution, what level rendering, if Ambient occlusion is on, what level antialiasing is being used, if physics are on, if depth of field is on, if extended draw distance is on...

You aren't going to fool anyone in a tech savy forum that a 9600 gt is worth more than 2 $h!ts for this game on truly high settings. We're not that naive.

So /poke back at you.
#1716CunningLinguist, Posted: Oct 09 2010 at 8:35 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) It runs FINE, jackass! :D
#1717 Oct 10 2010 at 3:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Unless your graphics card is made out of magic transistors, you're lying to yourself.

Whatever you gotta do.
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#1718 Oct 10 2010 at 8:17 AM Rating: Good
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#1719 Oct 10 2010 at 7:19 PM Rating: Default
Anyone here playing the game with a geforce 9600GT? Is it possible to run the game at minimum with decent framerates (25+ smooth movement) in open areas without shadows, weather, particles?

My PC is this:

Intel Core 2 Duo 2.53ghz
2 GB Ram
Windows XP SP3
Geforce 9600GT 1GB

Can i play the game at absolute minimum specs but have acceptable framerates in battles? Going to buy a huge PC at Xmas when i get my extra paycheck but i would like to start playing now.


Thank you very much for the answer whoever can.


BTW, i got a 2105 score on Benchmark, i would lik to know if it can be played without being it a slide show (15 or lower fps).

Edited, Oct 10th 2010 9:26pm by MclarenTAGPorsche
#1720 Oct 11 2010 at 6:17 AM Rating: Decent
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MclarenTAGPorsche wrote:
Anyone here playing the game with a geforce 9600GT? Is it possible to run the game at minimum with decent framerates (25+ smooth movement) in open areas without shadows, weather, particles?

My PC is this:

Intel Core 2 Duo 2.53ghz
2 GB Ram
Windows XP SP3
Geforce 9600GT 1GB

Can i play the game at absolute minimum specs but have acceptable framerates in battles? Going to buy a huge PC at Xmas when i get my extra paycheck but i would like to start playing now.


Thank you very much for the answer whoever can.


BTW, i got a 2105 score on Benchmark, i would lik to know if it can be played without being it a slide show (15 or lower fps).

Edited, Oct 10th 2010 9:26pm by MclarenTAGPorsche


It is playable with extras turned off at a fairly low resolution (1024x768 maybe), though it may go into the low teens in busy areas. You wouldn't want to play at absolute minimal as it just looks too bad to recognize objects. (Don't turn the rendering below "half resolution" or you won't be able to tell what you are looking at).
#1721 Oct 11 2010 at 9:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Hi everyone,
I need some help, In the next few weeks (hopefully) I will aquire around about a £1000 budget, and I'm confused as to what I should be looking for most, I'm looking to buy a new PC, but if it would be cheaper to upgrade my current one, I'd like to know.

Okay, here's some info about my current system:
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OS: Windows Vista home Premium 32bit (SP2)
Motherboard Model: MS-7502 Fab D (Micro-Star International Co., Ltd)
Mobo Chipset: Intel P35/G33/G31
Rev: A2
Southbridge: Intel 82801IH (ICH9DH)
mobo LPCIO: Fintek F71882F
(none of that makes much sense to me, so I put it all up, hope it's useful to someone)
Graphics interface: PCI-Express x16
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E7300 @ 2.66Ghz
GPU: Nvidia Geforce 9500 GS 512MB
RAM: 3GB DDR2 (2x 1GB, 2x 512MB)
HDD: 500GB


Okay, I recently found a system that looks quite promising and well within my budget, heres some of it's specs:
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PSU: 500W
CPU: Intel Core i7-860 (no speed given)
RAM: 6GB DDR3
HDD: 750GB SATA
Optical drive: DVD-RW SuperMulti Drive
OS: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
GPU: ATI HD5770 (1GB DDR5)

Price: £681.31 Including VAT (Was £819.99, dunno how long this will last.)

From what I've read, this is an okay system, my only concerns being the PSU and possibly the GPU, what do you think?
Thanks in advance for the help! :)

Edited, Oct 11th 2010 11:41am by Tereis
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Okay, I recently found a system that looks quite promising and well within my budget, heres some of it's specs:
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PSU: 500W
CPU: Intel Core i7-860 (no speed given)
RAM: 6GB DDR3
HDD: 750GB SATA
Optical drive: DVD-RW SuperMulti Drive
OS: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
GPU: ATI HD5770 (1GB DDR5)

Price: £681.31 Including VAT (Was £819.99, dunno how long this will last.)

From what I've read, this is an okay system, my only concerns being the PSU and possibly the GPU, what do you think?
Thanks in advance for the help! :)


That is indeed an okay system. I recommend a slightly bigger power supply though.

If you have extra cash to burn, get a better video card and an i7-9xx CPU.
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#1723 Oct 11 2010 at 12:14 PM Rating: Decent
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I currently have an E6600 OCd to 3.0 Ghz. I am trying to decide between a GTS 450 and a GTX 460.

I understand the GTX 460 will be bottlenecked by my CPU, but will a bottlenecked GTX 460 still outperform a GTS 450 (which may be bottlenecked a bit by the E6600 as well)?

I realize I will not be getting the full value of the GTX 460, but if an E6600/460 will outperform an E6600/450 combo I will pay the premium for the better performance. I would also have a better GPU I could carry over to a new build in the future.
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If anyone wanna compare, my PC run the game perfectly, with some things maxed and another things in middle at 1400X900:

I5750, 4G RAM, asus sabertooth, standard HD (by standard I mean I didnt looked for a specific HD, just got one that I thought had enough space and wasnt IDE), XFX Radeon 5750.
SO is Win7 64. I think this would cost around $700 in USA. Since I live in Brazil and things are imported from USA and have taxes and what not, it costed me around $1200.
But I didnt build this PC for FFXIV only, so I`m quite happy with it.
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Threx wrote:
Tereis wrote:
Okay, I recently found a system that looks quite promising and well within my budget, heres some of it's specs:
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PSU: 500W
CPU: Intel Core i7-860 (no speed given)
RAM: 6GB DDR3
HDD: 750GB SATA
Optical drive: DVD-RW SuperMulti Drive
OS: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
GPU: ATI HD5770 (1GB DDR5)

Price: £681.31 Including VAT (Was £819.99, dunno how long this will last.)

From what I've read, this is an okay system, my only concerns being the PSU and possibly the GPU, what do you think?
Thanks in advance for the help! :)


That is indeed an okay system. I recommend a slightly bigger power supply though.

If you have extra cash to burn, get a better video card and an i7-9xx CPU.


Agreed. A 600 Watt power supply would put you in the range of being able to use the highest end single GPU graphics cards out there if you wanted to upgrade in the future.

I'd go for an radeon 5850 or geforce 460 OC'd for better performance for this game. They cost a bit more, but it would be the best performance per dollar upgrade you could do over your posted possible setup.

And ya the 900 series i7's allow for multi-card GPU setups as they have the ability to do 2x 16X PCI express instead of just one single 16X PCI express card (or 2x 8X). This is not really as important for you if you never intend to use SLI or Xfire multi-GPU technology though. The only other plus of the 9xx series i7s is the triple channel rather than dual channel ram, thereby giving up to 50% more memory bandwidth, which may or may not really even matter as far as FFXIV is concerned. It matters more if you have a low end video card with low quantity of onboard ram. If you have one with over 1GB of video ram, the added triple channel ability won't make much difference for this particular game.
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I currently have an E6600 OCd to 3.0 Ghz. I am trying to decide between a GTS 450 and a GTX 460.

I understand the GTX 460 will be bottlenecked by my CPU, but will a bottlenecked GTX 460 still outperform a GTS 450 (which may be bottlenecked a bit by the E6600 as well)?

I realize I will not be getting the full value of the GTX 460, but if an E6600/460 will outperform an E6600/450 combo I will pay the premium for the better performance. I would also have a better GPU I could carry over to a new build in the future.


Yep, a bottlenecked GTX 460 will still get better performance than a GTS 450. At the moment even an i7 980 extreme processor is bottlenecking performance in this game as it is so cpu dependent. If your motherboard supports it, I'd recommend trying to upgrade your cpu to a quad core at 3.0 GHz or more as this game can use 4 threads most of the time. Perhaps a Q9650 if you have $320 sitting around, though it'd almost be worth it at that point to just upgrade to a high end i5 or lower end i7.

Edited, Oct 11th 2010 6:01pm by haydyn323
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haydyn323 wrote:
Enscheff wrote:
I currently have an E6600 OCd to 3.0 Ghz. I am trying to decide between a GTS 450 and a GTX 460.

I understand the GTX 460 will be bottlenecked by my CPU, but will a bottlenecked GTX 460 still outperform a GTS 450 (which may be bottlenecked a bit by the E6600 as well)?

I realize I will not be getting the full value of the GTX 460, but if an E6600/460 will outperform an E6600/450 combo I will pay the premium for the better performance. I would also have a better GPU I could carry over to a new build in the future.


Yep, a bottlenecked GTX 460 will still get better performance than a GTS 450. At the moment even an i7 980 extreme processor is bottlenecking performance in this game as it is so cpu dependent. If your motherboard supports it, I'd recommend trying to upgrade your cpu to a quad core at 3.0 GHz or more as this game can use 4 threads most of the time. Perhaps a Q9650 if you have $320 sitting around, though it'd almost be worth it at that point to just upgrade to a high end i5 or lower end i7.

Edited, Oct 11th 2010 6:01pm by haydyn323


The best CPU my MoBo supports is a Q9505 for $240 or a used QX6850 for $250. At that point I would rather just buy a whole new PC. I will likely buy a new PC rather than hassle with a CPU upgrade for that price.

If I do end up buying a new PC I will be able to stick the GTX 460 into the new rig.
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People should really not be going any less than a GTX 460 for this game considering how cheap they are. You can get one for $170, and it outperforms both 5830's and 5850's.

If you really need to have an ATI, I personally wouldn't go lower than a 5850.

That said, the GTX 460 is by far the best power:price ratio card on the market today, with the 5850 following close behind. We're talking like $10-20 more for 25-40% of the performance of the lower cards.
#1729 Oct 12 2010 at 2:07 PM Rating: Decent
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5850 > 460, stop giving out false info
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5850 > 460, stop giving out false info


That depends. If aggresively overclocked, which is easy to do on a gtx 460, a 460 can beat a stock 5850 as shown here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/3809/nvidias-geforce-gtx-460-the-200-king/18
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5850 > 460, stop giving out false info

Considering the GTX 460 was meant to go up against the 5830, it's closer to a 5850 in terms of performance.

Thus, its performance:price ratio soundly beats the 5850.

GTX 460 = $170-190
5850 = $250-270

You could then easily overclock it to 850 from the stock 600-700 without even a hiccup, which puts it well above the 5850 in performance. Of course, you can do the same with a 5850, but $60-80 to get a slight boost in performance when you can easily beat its stock speeds for way less? I'm having trouble justifying it.

Tl;DR - A 5-6% performance gain for $60-80? No thanks.

Edited, Oct 12th 2010 6:49pm by SoumaKyou
#1732 Oct 13 2010 at 1:44 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok so heres the skivvy. I havent been able to read through the hundreds of posts here but I was not sure if a laptop build guide was included. I know a lot of people run desktop cases and such but frankly I dont have the money or knowhow to build a new comp from scratch. So heres my dilemma.

I have a Toshiba Satellite Laptop A505 with Windows 7(64). I have an i3 processor running at 2.13GHz. I have a straight 4 gigs of RAM in the case. The graphics card is an Nvidia GeForce 310M with about 512Megs of dedicated video memory. Its also a PCI Express port.

The problem is, I cannot even come close to running the game smoothly (This includes keeping the camera pointed down to avoid loading up the atmospheric textures and trees etc.) without my settings(including in-game configurations with the exception of physics) all being on the utmost lowest setting say for my buffer which is at my window size. I basically have only about 1 1/2 seconds of UI lag in unpopulated areas.

Im planning on saving up for possible upgrades and my benchmark scored like...581 on low..

I just really wanna know what would work best for me, I have an i3 which is halfway decent for a laptop but I cant run my graphics card on high settings. I am also not a computer whiz so the last thing I wanna do is go buy a 200 dollar vid card and have it not make the difference Im wanting. Intelligent minds wanted, please halp!

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#1733 Oct 13 2010 at 5:07 AM Rating: Decent
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so i am in the market for a new pc. i was looking at this one:
Operating system : Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Processor: AMD Phenom(TM) X4 830 quad-core processor [2.8GHz, 2MB L2 + 4MB L3 shared, up to 4000MHz]
Memory: 6GB DDR3-1333MHz SDRAM [3 DIMMs]
Hard drive: 750GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
Graphics card 1GB ATI Radeon HD 5450 [DVI, HDMI, VGA adapter]

i was wondering if this was decent enough to run the game. I know nothing of computers. on ffxi i played on the 360.
#1734 Oct 13 2010 at 6:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok so heres the skivvy. I havent been able to read through the hundreds of posts here but I was not sure if a laptop build guide was included. I know a lot of people run desktop cases and such but frankly I dont have the money or knowhow to build a new comp from scratch. So heres my dilemma.

I have a Toshiba Satellite Laptop A505 with Windows 7(64). I have an i3 processor running at 2.13GHz. I have a straight 4 gigs of RAM in the case. The graphics card is an Nvidia GeForce 310M with about 512Megs of dedicated video memory. Its also a PCI Express port.

The problem is, I cannot even come close to running the game smoothly (This includes keeping the camera pointed down to avoid loading up the atmospheric textures and trees etc.) without my settings(including in-game configurations with the exception of physics) all being on the utmost lowest setting say for my buffer which is at my window size. I basically have only about 1 1/2 seconds of UI lag in unpopulated areas.

Im planning on saving up for possible upgrades and my benchmark scored like...581 on low..

I just really wanna know what would work best for me, I have an i3 which is halfway decent for a laptop but I cant run my graphics card on high settings. I am also not a computer whiz so the last thing I wanna do is go buy a 200 dollar vid card and have it not make the difference Im wanting. Intelligent minds wanted, please halp!

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I hate to bring bad news, but it's not looking good for your computer. Laptops can't have their video cards upgraded so you are stuck with the 310M which will never be enough to run this game unfortunately. Also, CPU upgrades are very tricky if not impossible depending on if it is integrated into the motherboard or not. There's really not much you can do to make it better short of buying a whole new computer.
#1735 Oct 13 2010 at 6:52 AM Rating: Good
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5850 > 460, stop giving out false info

Considering the GTX 460 was meant to go up against the 5830, it's closer to a 5850 in terms of performance.

Thus, its performance:price ratio soundly beats the 5850.

GTX 460 = $170-190
5850 = $250-270

You could then easily overclock it to 850 from the stock 600-700 without even a hiccup, which puts it well above the 5850 in performance. Of course, you can do the same with a 5850, but $60-80 to get a slight boost in performance when you can easily beat its stock speeds for way less? I'm having trouble justifying it.

Tl;DR - A 5-6% performance gain for $60-80? No thanks.

Edited, Oct 12th 2010 6:49pm by SoumaKyou




The only 460's under $200 is the 768mb, considering you can overclock the 5850 to stock 5780, your argument holds no water. 5850 > 460.
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so i am in the market for a new pc. i was looking at this one:
Operating system : Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Processor: AMD Phenom(TM) X4 830 quad-core processor [2.8GHz, 2MB L2 + 4MB L3 shared, up to 4000MHz]
Memory: 6GB DDR3-1333MHz SDRAM [3 DIMMs]
Hard drive: 750GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
Graphics card 1GB ATI Radeon HD 5450 [DVI, HDMI, VGA adapter]

i was wondering if this was decent enough to run the game. I know nothing of computers. on ffxi i played on the 360.


A couple possible problems:

1: It says it has 3 DIMMs of ram. This is bad in this case. What this tells me is that it is not dual channel ram. You need to be using an even number of DIMMs for a Phenom to use dual channel capabilities. Without this, ram is essentially running at half speed, meaning more lag and increased load times. Only an i7 can run triple channel, so I know it's not using that. When looking for a new computer with intentions of using it for video games, make sure it says "dual channel" or "triple channel" in regards to the ram, or it'll be too slow.

2: This one is probably the larger issue; the video card is about 5-10x too weak to play this game reasonably well. Don't get anything lower than a radeon 5850 or geforce 460 1GB if you are buying a new computer for this game. Lower things may be able to run it, but you won't like the results and will likely just have to upgrade again in the near future.
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haydyn323 wrote:
lycena wrote:
so i am in the market for a new pc. i was looking at this one:
Operating system : Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Processor: AMD Phenom(TM) X4 830 quad-core processor [2.8GHz, 2MB L2 + 4MB L3 shared, up to 4000MHz]
Memory: 6GB DDR3-1333MHz SDRAM [3 DIMMs]
Hard drive: 750GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
Graphics card 1GB ATI Radeon HD 5450 [DVI, HDMI, VGA adapter]

i was wondering if this was decent enough to run the game. I know nothing of computers. on ffxi i played on the 360.


A couple possible problems:

1: It says it has 3 DIMMs of ram. This is bad in this case. What this tells me is that it is not dual channel ram. You need to be using an even number of DIMMs for a Phenom to use dual channel capabilities. Without this, ram is essentially running at half speed, meaning more lag and increased load times. Only an i7 can run triple channel, so I know it's not using that. When looking for a new computer with intentions of using it for video games, make sure it says "dual channel" or "triple channel" in regards to the ram, or it'll be too slow.

2: This one is probably the larger issue; the video card is about 5-10x too weak to play this game reasonably well. Don't get anything lower than a radeon 5850 or geforce 460 1GB if you are buying a new computer for this game. Lower things may be able to run it, but you won't like the results and will likely just have to upgrade again in the near future.


Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-950 quad-core [3.0GHz, 1MB L2 + 8MB shared L3 cache]
Memory: 8GB DDR3-1066MHz SDRAM [4 DIMMs]
Hard drive: 1TB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
Secondary Hard Drive: 500GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
Graphics card 1GB NVIDIA Geforce 460 [2 DVI, mini-HDMI, VGA adapter]

is this any better?

Edited, Oct 13th 2010 10:35am by lycena
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5850 > 460, stop giving out false info

Considering the GTX 460 was meant to go up against the 5830, it's closer to a 5850 in terms of performance.

Thus, its performance:price ratio soundly beats the 5850.

GTX 460 = $170-190
5850 = $250-270

You could then easily overclock it to 850 from the stock 600-700 without even a hiccup, which puts it well above the 5850 in performance. Of course, you can do the same with a 5850, but $60-80 to get a slight boost in performance when you can easily beat its stock speeds for way less? I'm having trouble justifying it.

Tl;DR - A 5-6% performance gain for $60-80? No thanks.

Edited, Oct 12th 2010 6:49pm by SoumaKyou




The only 460's under $200 is the 768mb, considering you can overclock the 5850 to stock 5780, your argument holds no water. 5850 > 460.

Except you can pick up a GTX 460 1GB for about $230 with a $25-30 rebate which still puts it well below the 5850's price. The cheapest 5850 I've seen is $259 with a $20 rebate, which is still $30-40 for a 5-6% increase in performance.

Add to that the fact that even a factory overclocked GTX 460 768MB is comparable to a stock 5850, and within spitting range of a factory overclocked 5850, and still totally stomps 5830's, and your argument just falls flat on its face.

****, just the idea of you trying to argue a 5850's worth over a card that's supposed to be a tier below it (but performs similarly), because the card in the same tier (GTX 470) absolutely stomps it, just goes to show how lackluster the ATI's really are.

The biggest problem for Nvidia is the lack of good Fermi drivers, which is why ATI is currently outperforming them in some games. Regardless, it's easier to fix a driver to max out a card that has more potential rather than fixing a card that's already maxed out to begin with.

Edited, Oct 13th 2010 11:21am by SoumaKyou
#1740 Oct 13 2010 at 11:56 AM Rating: Good
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I was hoping someone here could help me with getting a new card for my brothers computer. I know little to nothing about graphics cards, and he doesn't want to spend much, just get one good enough to play.

Would the GeForce 240 run FFXIV? I'm seeing it listed around $70, which would be ideal.

Any advice would be appreciated, thank you!
#1741 Oct 13 2010 at 12:07 PM Rating: Decent
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SleeplessMickey wrote:
I was hoping someone here could help me with getting a new card for my brothers computer. I know little to nothing about graphics cards, and he doesn't want to spend much, just get one good enough to play.

Would the GeForce 240 run FFXIV? I'm seeing it listed around $70, which would be ideal.

Any advice would be appreciated, thank you!

The GeForce 240 is barely better than the minimum card listed for FFXIV's requirements. You'd be better off with even an 8800 GT. Actually, I would highly recommend the 8800 GT (or any other G92 card) if your price limit is sub-100.
#1742 Oct 13 2010 at 12:19 PM Rating: Good
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SoumaKyou wrote:
SleeplessMickey wrote:
I was hoping someone here could help me with getting a new card for my brothers computer. I know little to nothing about graphics cards, and he doesn't want to spend much, just get one good enough to play.

Would the GeForce 240 run FFXIV? I'm seeing it listed around $70, which would be ideal.

Any advice would be appreciated, thank you!

The GeForce 240 is barely better than the minimum card listed for FFXIV's requirements. You'd be better off with even an 8800 GT. Actually, I would highly recommend the 8800 GT (or any other G92 card) if your price limit is sub-100.


Thank you! I can't seem to find a place that sells the 8800gt, just running across places that say $249 - Anywhere good to get cards?
#1743 Oct 13 2010 at 1:22 PM Rating: Decent
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SleeplessMickey wrote:
SoumaKyou wrote:
SleeplessMickey wrote:
I was hoping someone here could help me with getting a new card for my brothers computer. I know little to nothing about graphics cards, and he doesn't want to spend much, just get one good enough to play.

Would the GeForce 240 run FFXIV? I'm seeing it listed around $70, which would be ideal.

Any advice would be appreciated, thank you!

The GeForce 240 is barely better than the minimum card listed for FFXIV's requirements. You'd be better off with even an 8800 GT. Actually, I would highly recommend the 8800 GT (or any other G92 card) if your price limit is sub-100.


Thank you! I can't seem to find a place that sells the 8800gt, just running across places that say $249 - Anywhere good to get cards?

You'll generally find the 8800 GT under many different names, which is a product of Nvidia rebadging the same chipset (G92) and selling it as a new product.

List of G92 cards:

8800 GS
8800 GT
8800 GTS 512 (has to be the 512 one. The 320 and 640 ones were G80's)
9600 GSO
9800 GT GE
9800 GT
9800 GTX
9800 GTX+
9800 GX2
GTS 150
GT 230 v.2
GTS 240
GTS 250
GT 330

They all have some variations, like the GS/GTS cards being weaker than their GT/GTX counterparts, or some being updated with 55nm die sizes over the original 65nm. They're all essentially the same card, though, so that should help broaden your search for one.

Another option would be to look for a used GTX 260/275/285 for a little more money but about twice the performance.
#1744 Oct 13 2010 at 1:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Can this custom PC run FF14 online
I want to play so effing bad but i have not been able to find a computer in my price range that can support FF14 (i used to play 11 for 3 years and was waiting till 14 came out before i bought another gaming pc lol)
finally i get a decent check that i can actuallyafford to spend up to $300. and my friend will sell me his old gaming rig (maybe a year in a half old) and if it will run FF14 then i will buy it.
i can always upgrade the video card after purchase but is it enough to get me started



here are the specs:

Ultra X Mid tower PC Case with Clear window
2.4ghz Dual Core
Asus A8n-SLI Deluxe Motherboard with built in SLI
500 Watt Power Supply
2 GIGS RAM ( Supports up to 4 gigs)
Nvidia GT240 512mb GDDR3 PCI-E Video Card
Sound Blaster Audigy 2 Surround sound audio card
Maxtor 300 GIG SATA HDD
SATA II Asus DVD RW Multi Combo Drive
PATA DVD Rom
Aftermarket Cooler Master CPU Fan & heatsink
Antec Blue Rear case fan
Neon Red Case Light
Three PCI Slots
Two PCI-E slots
NO Onboard Video
Onboard sound
Dual Onboard ethernet

Windows XP Pro Sp3 Clean install and Genuine version

#1745 Oct 13 2010 at 1:33 PM Rating: Decent
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patrickxedge wrote:
Can this custom PC run FF14 online
I want to play so effing bad but i have not been able to find a computer in my price range that can support FF14 (i used to play 11 for 3 years and was waiting till 14 came out before i bought another gaming pc lol)
finally i get a decent check that i can actuallyafford to spend up to $300. and my friend will sell me his old gaming rig (maybe a year in a half old) and if it will run FF14 then i will buy it.
i can always upgrade the video card after purchase but is it enough to get me started



here are the specs:

2.4ghz Dual Core
Asus A8n-SLI Deluxe Motherboard with built in SLI
500 Watt Power Supply
2 GIGS RAM ( Supports up to 4 gigs)
Nvidia GT240 512mb GDDR3 PCI-E Video Card

Windows XP Pro Sp3 Clean install and Genuine version

That should play it just fine. I had a similar system before I rebuilt (E4600 @ 2.4GHz, 8800 GT, 450W PSU), and I was running the game at 1680x1050 on Medium-High settings between 25-55 FPS, which was very playable.
#1746 Oct 13 2010 at 1:35 PM Rating: Decent
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amazing thank you much, the video card should run fine as well? thats what i wasmost worried about
#1747 Oct 13 2010 at 1:40 PM Rating: Decent
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patrickxedge wrote:
amazing thank you much, the video card should run fine as well? thats what i wasmost worried about

It's a G92 chip, as I was discussing above. It's 3 years old, but it was the only chip at its time below $200 to run Crysis on Ultra High settings at a playable rate, and this was when top-of-the-line PC's struggled to even run the game. Needless to say, it was well ahead of its time and is still a perfectly decent card nowadays.

Edited, Oct 13th 2010 3:41pm by SoumaKyou
#1748 Oct 13 2010 at 5:33 PM Rating: Good
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I've been scoping out this build upgraded with the i7-875k. Can I get better performance for less $$$?
#1749 Oct 13 2010 at 6:48 PM Rating: Decent
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lycena wrote:
haydyn323 wrote:
lycena wrote:
so i am in the market for a new pc. i was looking at this one:
Operating system : Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Processor: AMD Phenom(TM) X4 830 quad-core processor [2.8GHz, 2MB L2 + 4MB L3 shared, up to 4000MHz]
Memory: 6GB DDR3-1333MHz SDRAM [3 DIMMs]
Hard drive: 750GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
Graphics card 1GB ATI Radeon HD 5450 [DVI, HDMI, VGA adapter]

i was wondering if this was decent enough to run the game. I know nothing of computers. on ffxi i played on the 360.


A couple possible problems:

1: It says it has 3 DIMMs of ram. This is bad in this case. What this tells me is that it is not dual channel ram. You need to be using an even number of DIMMs for a Phenom to use dual channel capabilities. Without this, ram is essentially running at half speed, meaning more lag and increased load times. Only an i7 can run triple channel, so I know it's not using that. When looking for a new computer with intentions of using it for video games, make sure it says "dual channel" or "triple channel" in regards to the ram, or it'll be too slow.

2: This one is probably the larger issue; the video card is about 5-10x too weak to play this game reasonably well. Don't get anything lower than a radeon 5850 or geforce 460 1GB if you are buying a new computer for this game. Lower things may be able to run it, but you won't like the results and will likely just have to upgrade again in the near future.


Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-950 quad-core [3.0GHz, 1MB L2 + 8MB shared L3 cache]
Memory: 8GB DDR3-1066MHz SDRAM [4 DIMMs]
Hard drive: 1TB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
Secondary Hard Drive: 500GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
Graphics card 1GB NVIDIA Geforce 460 [2 DVI, mini-HDMI, VGA adapter]

is this any better?

Edited, Oct 13th 2010 10:35am by lycena


That does look better. I hate to nit-pick, but now it says 4 dimms and you are using a triple channel processor (an i7-950 is triple channel capable), meaning now you'd want to see 3 dimms or 6 dimms for best performance.
#1750 Oct 13 2010 at 6:54 PM Rating: Decent
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SleeplessMickey wrote:
SoumaKyou wrote:
SleeplessMickey wrote:
I was hoping someone here could help me with getting a new card for my brothers computer. I know little to nothing about graphics cards, and he doesn't want to spend much, just get one good enough to play.

Would the GeForce 240 run FFXIV? I'm seeing it listed around $70, which would be ideal.

Any advice would be appreciated, thank you!

The GeForce 240 is barely better than the minimum card listed for FFXIV's requirements. You'd be better off with even an 8800 GT. Actually, I would highly recommend the 8800 GT (or any other G92 card) if your price limit is sub-100.


Thank you! I can't seem to find a place that sells the 8800gt, just running across places that say $249 - Anywhere good to get cards?


If you can find a 9800gtx+ or gts 250 (which are actually the same card with different open gl capabilities), they can run the game pretty well at lower resolutions like 1650 or below and antialiasing and the other extras set to off. They can still run with textures etc on high or so. They cost about $115.
#1751 Oct 13 2010 at 7:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Eliminex wrote:
I've been scoping out this build upgraded with the i7-875k. Can I get better performance for less $$$?


In all honesty that's about the best price you will find anywhere short of building it yourself. The raw parts involved in that build cost about $1000 so they are making almost nothing on the sale.
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