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#1752 Oct 13 2010 at 7:15 PM Rating: Good
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I've been scoping out this build upgraded with the i7-875k. Can I get better performance for less $$$?


In all honesty that's about the best price you will find anywhere short of building it yourself. The raw parts involved in that build cost about $1000 so they are making almost nothing on the sale.


It is build cost! That link is a recipe for a build-it-yourself PC.
#1753 Oct 14 2010 at 5:16 AM Rating: Decent
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I am currenting looking at parts to build .. half of my computer lol. I am going to be using my 4650 HD graphics card until next year sometime but around christmas i will be able to get CPU and mobo(I am upgrading from a single core....)

My real question is, Phenom Vs Athlon

In particular these 2, but i am also interested in overall.

Clearly price is the first difference, but aside from the .2 ghz difference whats the real quality and speed changes.

Athlon
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103871
Phenom
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103808
#1754 Oct 14 2010 at 6:44 AM Rating: Decent
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haydyn323 wrote:
lycena wrote:
haydyn323 wrote:
lycena wrote:
so i am in the market for a new pc. i was looking at this one:
Operating system : Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Processor: AMD Phenom(TM) X4 830 quad-core processor [2.8GHz, 2MB L2 + 4MB L3 shared, up to 4000MHz]
Memory: 6GB DDR3-1333MHz SDRAM [3 DIMMs]
Hard drive: 750GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
Graphics card 1GB ATI Radeon HD 5450 [DVI, HDMI, VGA adapter]

i was wondering if this was decent enough to run the game. I know nothing of computers. on ffxi i played on the 360.


A couple possible problems:

1: It says it has 3 DIMMs of ram. This is bad in this case. What this tells me is that it is not dual channel ram. You need to be using an even number of DIMMs for a Phenom to use dual channel capabilities. Without this, ram is essentially running at half speed, meaning more lag and increased load times. Only an i7 can run triple channel, so I know it's not using that. When looking for a new computer with intentions of using it for video games, make sure it says "dual channel" or "triple channel" in regards to the ram, or it'll be too slow.

2: This one is probably the larger issue; the video card is about 5-10x too weak to play this game reasonably well. Don't get anything lower than a radeon 5850 or geforce 460 1GB if you are buying a new computer for this game. Lower things may be able to run it, but you won't like the results and will likely just have to upgrade again in the near future.


Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-950 quad-core [3.0GHz, 1MB L2 + 8MB shared L3 cache]
Memory: 8GB DDR3-1066MHz SDRAM [4 DIMMs]
Hard drive: 1TB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
Secondary Hard Drive: 500GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
Graphics card 1GB NVIDIA Geforce 460 [2 DVI, mini-HDMI, VGA adapter]

is this any better?

Edited, Oct 13th 2010 10:35am by lycena


That does look better. I hate to nit-pick, but now it says 4 dimms and you are using a triple channel processor (an i7-950 is triple channel capable), meaning now you'd want to see 3 dimms or 6 dimms for best performance.

ok ill look into that =).. No worries with the nit picking, i came here for advice lol
#1755 Oct 14 2010 at 6:48 AM Rating: Decent
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lycena wrote:
haydyn323 wrote:
lycena wrote:
haydyn323 wrote:
lycena wrote:
so i am in the market for a new pc. i was looking at this one:
Operating system : Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Processor: AMD Phenom(TM) X4 830 quad-core processor [2.8GHz, 2MB L2 + 4MB L3 shared, up to 4000MHz]
Memory: 6GB DDR3-1333MHz SDRAM [3 DIMMs]
Hard drive: 750GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
Graphics card 1GB ATI Radeon HD 5450 [DVI, HDMI, VGA adapter]

i was wondering if this was decent enough to run the game. I know nothing of computers. on ffxi i played on the 360.


A couple possible problems:

1: It says it has 3 DIMMs of ram. This is bad in this case. What this tells me is that it is not dual channel ram. You need to be using an even number of DIMMs for a Phenom to use dual channel capabilities. Without this, ram is essentially running at half speed, meaning more lag and increased load times. Only an i7 can run triple channel, so I know it's not using that. When looking for a new computer with intentions of using it for video games, make sure it says "dual channel" or "triple channel" in regards to the ram, or it'll be too slow.

2: This one is probably the larger issue; the video card is about 5-10x too weak to play this game reasonably well. Don't get anything lower than a radeon 5850 or geforce 460 1GB if you are buying a new computer for this game. Lower things may be able to run it, but you won't like the results and will likely just have to upgrade again in the near future.


Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-950 quad-core [3.0GHz, 1MB L2 + 8MB shared L3 cache]
Memory: 8GB DDR3-1066MHz SDRAM [4 DIMMs]
Hard drive: 1TB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
Secondary Hard Drive: 500GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
Graphics card 1GB NVIDIA Geforce 460 [2 DVI, mini-HDMI, VGA adapter]

is this any better?

Edited, Oct 13th 2010 10:35am by lycena


That does look better. I hate to nit-pick, but now it says 4 dimms and you are using a triple channel processor (an i7-950 is triple channel capable), meaning now you'd want to see 3 dimms or 6 dimms for best performance.

ok ill look into that =).. No worries with the nit picking, i came here for advice lol

ok would this memory work: 12GB DDR3-1066MHz SDRAM [6 DIMMs]
#1756 Oct 14 2010 at 7:26 AM Rating: Decent
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lycena wrote:
lycena wrote:
haydyn323 wrote:
lycena wrote:
haydyn323 wrote:
lycena wrote:
so i am in the market for a new pc. i was looking at this one:
Operating system : Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Processor: AMD Phenom(TM) X4 830 quad-core processor [2.8GHz, 2MB L2 + 4MB L3 shared, up to 4000MHz]
Memory: 6GB DDR3-1333MHz SDRAM [3 DIMMs]
Hard drive: 750GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
Graphics card 1GB ATI Radeon HD 5450 [DVI, HDMI, VGA adapter]

i was wondering if this was decent enough to run the game. I know nothing of computers. on ffxi i played on the 360.


A couple possible problems:

1: It says it has 3 DIMMs of ram. This is bad in this case. What this tells me is that it is not dual channel ram. You need to be using an even number of DIMMs for a Phenom to use dual channel capabilities. Without this, ram is essentially running at half speed, meaning more lag and increased load times. Only an i7 can run triple channel, so I know it's not using that. When looking for a new computer with intentions of using it for video games, make sure it says "dual channel" or "triple channel" in regards to the ram, or it'll be too slow.

2: This one is probably the larger issue; the video card is about 5-10x too weak to play this game reasonably well. Don't get anything lower than a radeon 5850 or geforce 460 1GB if you are buying a new computer for this game. Lower things may be able to run it, but you won't like the results and will likely just have to upgrade again in the near future.


Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-950 quad-core [3.0GHz, 1MB L2 + 8MB shared L3 cache]
Memory: 8GB DDR3-1066MHz SDRAM [4 DIMMs]
Hard drive: 1TB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
Secondary Hard Drive: 500GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
Graphics card 1GB NVIDIA Geforce 460 [2 DVI, mini-HDMI, VGA adapter]

is this any better?

Edited, Oct 13th 2010 10:35am by lycena


That does look better. I hate to nit-pick, but now it says 4 dimms and you are using a triple channel processor (an i7-950 is triple channel capable), meaning now you'd want to see 3 dimms or 6 dimms for best performance.

ok ill look into that =).. No worries with the nit picking, i came here for advice lol

ok would this memory work: 12GB DDR3-1066MHz SDRAM [6 DIMMs]



Why dont you try reading the whole thread, your question has been answered in the last 35 pages.
#1757 Oct 14 2010 at 7:29 AM Rating: Decent
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SoumaKyou wrote:
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5850 > 460, stop giving out false info

Considering the GTX 460 was meant to go up against the 5830, it's closer to a 5850 in terms of performance.

Thus, its performance:price ratio soundly beats the 5850.

GTX 460 = $170-190
5850 = $250-270

You could then easily overclock it to 850 from the stock 600-700 without even a hiccup, which puts it well above the 5850 in performance. Of course, you can do the same with a 5850, but $60-80 to get a slight boost in performance when you can easily beat its stock speeds for way less? I'm having trouble justifying it.

Tl;DR - A 5-6% performance gain for $60-80? No thanks.

Edited, Oct 12th 2010 6:49pm by SoumaKyou




The only 460's under $200 is the 768mb, considering you can overclock the 5850 to stock 5780, your argument holds no water. 5850 > 460.

Except you can pick up a GTX 460 1GB for about $230 with a $25-30 rebate which still puts it well below the 5850's price. The cheapest 5850 I've seen is $259 with a $20 rebate, which is still $30-40 for a 5-6% increase in performance.

Add to that the fact that even a factory overclocked GTX 460 768MB is comparable to a stock 5850, and within spitting range of a factory overclocked 5850, and still totally stomps 5830's, and your argument just falls flat on its face.

****, just the idea of you trying to argue a 5850's worth over a card that's supposed to be a tier below it (but performs similarly), because the card in the same tier (GTX 470) absolutely stomps it, just goes to show how lackluster the ATI's really are.

The biggest problem for Nvidia is the lack of good Fermi drivers, which is why ATI is currently outperforming them in some games. Regardless, it's easier to fix a driver to max out a card that has more potential rather than fixing a card that's already maxed out to begin with.

Edited, Oct 13th 2010 11:21am by SoumaKyou


Now you just sound like a fanboy.
#1758 Oct 14 2010 at 8:13 AM Rating: Decent
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I am currenting looking at parts to build .. half of my computer lol. I am going to be using my 4650 HD graphics card until next year sometime but around christmas i will be able to get CPU and mobo(I am upgrading from a single core....)

My real question is, Phenom Vs Athlon

In particular these 2, but i am also interested in overall.

Clearly price is the first difference, but aside from the .2 ghz difference whats the real quality and speed changes.

Athlon
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103871
Phenom
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103808


They will be majorly different in video game performance despite the only 200MHz difference in clock speed. The Phenom has 6MB of L3 cache while the Athlon has 0. What this essentially means is that large amounts of program instructions can stay inside the phenom and be at close hand to run calculations when needed. For the Athlon, it is going to have to call information out of the ram more often to run calculations, thus causing lag, reduced framerates, and jittery-ness while playing.
#1759 Oct 14 2010 at 8:15 AM Rating: Decent
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lycena wrote:
lycena wrote:
haydyn323 wrote:
lycena wrote:
haydyn323 wrote:
lycena wrote:
so i am in the market for a new pc. i was looking at this one:
Operating system : Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Processor: AMD Phenom(TM) X4 830 quad-core processor [2.8GHz, 2MB L2 + 4MB L3 shared, up to 4000MHz]
Memory: 6GB DDR3-1333MHz SDRAM [3 DIMMs]
Hard drive: 750GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
Graphics card 1GB ATI Radeon HD 5450 [DVI, HDMI, VGA adapter]

i was wondering if this was decent enough to run the game. I know nothing of computers. on ffxi i played on the 360.


A couple possible problems:

1: It says it has 3 DIMMs of ram. This is bad in this case. What this tells me is that it is not dual channel ram. You need to be using an even number of DIMMs for a Phenom to use dual channel capabilities. Without this, ram is essentially running at half speed, meaning more lag and increased load times. Only an i7 can run triple channel, so I know it's not using that. When looking for a new computer with intentions of using it for video games, make sure it says "dual channel" or "triple channel" in regards to the ram, or it'll be too slow.

2: This one is probably the larger issue; the video card is about 5-10x too weak to play this game reasonably well. Don't get anything lower than a radeon 5850 or geforce 460 1GB if you are buying a new computer for this game. Lower things may be able to run it, but you won't like the results and will likely just have to upgrade again in the near future.


Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-950 quad-core [3.0GHz, 1MB L2 + 8MB shared L3 cache]
Memory: 8GB DDR3-1066MHz SDRAM [4 DIMMs]
Hard drive: 1TB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
Secondary Hard Drive: 500GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
Graphics card 1GB NVIDIA Geforce 460 [2 DVI, mini-HDMI, VGA adapter]

is this any better?

Edited, Oct 13th 2010 10:35am by lycena


That does look better. I hate to nit-pick, but now it says 4 dimms and you are using a triple channel processor (an i7-950 is triple channel capable), meaning now you'd want to see 3 dimms or 6 dimms for best performance.

ok ill look into that =).. No worries with the nit picking, i came here for advice lol

ok would this memory work: 12GB DDR3-1066MHz SDRAM [6 DIMMs]


Yes, that would work and be more than enough ram. You could do 6GB in 3 DIMMS for cheaper and upgrade later if you need it.
#1760 Oct 14 2010 at 9:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Now you just sound like a fanboy.

Funny how you can't disprove me so you take the fanboy route.
#1761 Oct 14 2010 at 11:04 AM Rating: Decent
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What's there to disprove? Your comparing an OC'd 460 to a stock 5850, 5850 is clearly the stronger card at stock speeds. When both cards are OC'd it's still 5850 > 460. Again it all comes down to you being a fanboy.
#1762 Oct 14 2010 at 11:16 AM Rating: Decent
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AlvinTheChip wrote:
What's there to disprove? Your comparing an OC'd 460 to a stock 5850, 5850 is clearly the stronger card at stock speeds. When both cards are OC'd it's still 5850 > 460. Again it all comes down to you being a fanboy.

The GTX 460's competition is the 5830, not the 5850.
The GTX 470's competition is the 5850.

The GTX 460 beats the 5830 so bad that it's compared to the 5850 instead. Now you're trying to justify that a 5850 is barely better than a card that's a tier below it and not even supposed to be good enough to compete with it?

And I'm the fanboy? You're delusional, bud.
#1763 Oct 14 2010 at 11:17 AM Rating: Good
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haydyn323 wrote:
Consilium wrote:
I am currenting looking at parts to build .. half of my computer lol. I am going to be using my 4650 HD graphics card until next year sometime but around christmas i will be able to get CPU and mobo(I am upgrading from a single core....)

My real question is, Phenom Vs Athlon

In particular these 2, but i am also interested in overall.

Clearly price is the first difference, but aside from the .2 ghz difference whats the real quality and speed changes.

Athlon
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103871
Phenom
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103808


They will be majorly different in video game performance despite the only 200MHz difference in clock speed. The Phenom has 6MB of L3 cache while the Athlon has 0. What this essentially means is that large amounts of program instructions can stay inside the phenom and be at close hand to run calculations when needed. For the Athlon, it is going to have to call information out of the ram more often to run calculations, thus causing lag, reduced framerates, and jittery-ness while playing.


Here is a Toms Hardware article where they compared an under-clocked Phenom to an Athlon at the same speed to see just how much the L3 cache improved performance:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/athlon-l3-cache,2416-6.html

You can see anywhere from a 5% to 20% improvement depending on the game.

Since an Athlon II is literally nothing more than a Phenom II without the L3 cache, the performance between the two is almost the same for most tasks. Because of this fact, AMD will never, EVER, allow there to be an Athlon II at the same clock speed as the slowest Phenom II. This is why there are no Black Edition Athlon IIs, they don't want you to easily OC the Athlon and get a CPU that performs almost as well as a Phenom for less money.

IMO, get the Phenom. The L3 cache does help in games, and they are easy to OC.
#1764 Oct 14 2010 at 7:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Here is some info that might help somebody. I have been playing on my laptop
for a couple of weeks and here are the stats:

Intel Core Duo 2.0g
Vista 64
4gs of ram
ATI Radeon HD 4650 1g dedicated

I had the game and was waiting for funds to build a new comp but I couldn't
wait to play so I installed it to get my feet wet before the new comp. It scores
a 5.0 windows experience and it got a 1230 on the low benchmark. The game
looks surprisingly good and only lags really bad when I'm crafting around
other peeps but it has been playable (cause I luv this game). So it is possable
to play it with lousy stats, I wouldn't want to party with the lappy but I'm glad
I tried it :)

I got my parts and built a new rig consisting of:

AMD Phenom II x4 965 Black ed Deneb 3.4g
XFX HD-585X Radeon 5850 1g video
Gigabyte GA-880GA AM3 Sata 6g ATX AMD mobo
G.Skill Ripjaws 4g 2x2g DDR3 1600 dual channel memory
Samsung 500g 7200 rpm hd
Sony dvd rw
Antec Earthwatts EA750 750 watt ps
Window 7 home premium
Rosewill Challenger Black ATX mid tower with 3 fans
Tuniq TX-2 cpu paste

I have built all my comps over the last 10 years and have always used
the stock heatsink and fan because I don't overclock, I just get the
biggest cpu I can afford heh. I live in a very hot area with only an evap
cooler so if there was ever any overheating problems I would have
experienced it lol. OS and FFXIV game and benchmark are the only
programs on this comp right now and it gets a 4601 on low rez and
a 3930 on high rez (on a old 21in lcd monitor) I hooked it up to my 42
lcd tv and wow, at full rez (with the ati catalist set to factory settings)
and I made no changes to the FFXIV config cept for the rez, it looks
awesome. The detail in all the bushes, the grass spraying up when you
stop, wow this game does look beautiful. No lag when crafting in the
crafting areas with tons of peeps around. I bought all the parts off
newegg for just under 1000 bucks with shipping and well worth it imho.
Reading all these forums on what parts to get really helped me out!
Thanks to all who have contributed!

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#1765 Oct 14 2010 at 7:37 PM Rating: Decent
OHHHHHH CRAP OHHHHHH CRAP
So I'm being "forced" to go to best-buy. I'm in CA. To look for a computer for this game. I've been researching. Mikhalia has been assisting me. But I know I'll go in there freeze up some geek squad jerk is going to smooth talk me into buying some crappy compaq and ffxiv will be laggy.

Edit: What should I say?

Edited, Oct 14th 2010 9:41pm by SoLostItsSad
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#1766 Oct 14 2010 at 7:45 PM Rating: Decent
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OHHHHHH CRAP OHHHHHH CRAP
So I'm being "forced" to go to best-buy. I'm in CA. To look for a computer for this game. I've been researching. Mikhalia has been assisting me. But I know I'll go in there freeze up some geek squad jerk is going to smooth talk me into buying some crappy compaq and ffxiv will be laggy.

I used to work at Best Buy back in high school. The employees don't make any commission off you so they're going to sell you what you need. There are employees that don't know wtf they're talking about, so it's up to you to know what you need so you can help them help you.

All you really have to look for:

Intel i7 processor (I couldn't suggest a Phenom because i7's are just so much better)
ATI HD 5770, 5830, 5850, 5870
or
Nvidia GTX 460, 470, 480

I think the highest card any of the desktops at Best Buy come with is a 5770, so you could just get a computer with an i7 and a random crappy card, buy the 460 separately, and have Geek Squad install it for you.

Edited, Oct 14th 2010 9:46pm by SoumaKyou
#1767 Oct 14 2010 at 7:50 PM Rating: Decent
is the 5770<to the 460? Edit:I just read some of the above posts. Got it thanks

Edited, Oct 14th 2010 9:57pm by SoLostItsSad
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#1768 Oct 15 2010 at 10:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Hey Guys,

As the OP suggested I was hoping someone could look at these spec's and tell me what needs to be upgraded and what I can do to make sure FFXIV runs comfortably with high settings.

(As the OP said I have not purchased this PC just this is what I was recommended)

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 945 3.0Ghz
CPU Fan: included
RAM: G.Skill NQ Series 4GB DDR3 1333MHz
Motherboard: Asus M4N75TD nForce 750a SLI AM3
Hard Drive: Western Digital WD1001FALS 1TB SATA11 32MB
Card Reader: Vantec UGT-CR905 All-in-1 Multi Card Reader
DVD/Blu-Ray: Samsung SH-S243D 24X DVDRW Black SATA
Case: Nzxt Beta EVO Classic Gaming Case
Video Card: EVGA nVidia GTX460 768MB GDDR5 PCI-E
Sound Card: Integrated 8 Ch Surround Sound
Ethernet: Integrated Gigabet Ethernet
Power Supply: Artic Cooling Fusion 550W Silent PSU
Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium

Is that Video Card Good? The benchmark site has it fairly highly ranked...would it be worth the extra $$$ to upgrade to the GTX465 or GTX470?

How is the CPU? I would rather an Intel one...any suggestions that will work with this PC?

Should I have more Ram for the game?

Thanks everybody.



#1769 Oct 15 2010 at 11:39 AM Rating: Good
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Hey Guys,

As the OP suggested I was hoping someone could look at these spec's and tell me what needs to be upgraded and what I can do to make sure FFXIV runs comfortably with high settings.

(As the OP said I have not purchased this PC just this is what I was recommended)

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 945 3.0Ghz
CPU Fan: included
RAM: G.Skill NQ Series 4GB DDR3 1333MHz
Motherboard: Asus M4N75TD nForce 750a SLI AM3
Hard Drive: Western Digital WD1001FALS 1TB SATA11 32MB
Card Reader: Vantec UGT-CR905 All-in-1 Multi Card Reader
DVD/Blu-Ray: Samsung SH-S243D 24X DVDRW Black SATA
Case: Nzxt Beta EVO Classic Gaming Case
Video Card: EVGA nVidia GTX460 768MB GDDR5 PCI-E
Sound Card: Integrated 8 Ch Surround Sound
Ethernet: Integrated Gigabet Ethernet
Power Supply: Artic Cooling Fusion 550W Silent PSU
Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium

Is that Video Card Good? The benchmark site has it fairly highly ranked...would it be worth the extra $$$ to upgrade to the GTX465 or GTX470?

How is the CPU? I would rather an Intel one...any suggestions that will work with this PC?

Should I have more Ram for the game?

Thanks everybody.





First question: Video Card: The 465 is actually not any better than a 768MB gtx 460 and is actually worse than a 1GB GTX 460. It's just a ripoff that nvidia pushed out there in haste before getting the 460 on the market. The 470 is noticeably faster, but runs way hotter.

In short that means you can buy an overclocked 460 1GB that is nearly as fast as a 470 and there really aren't many well overclocked 470s. Though there is one 470 from Gigabyte that runs at 93MHz over stock. My recommendation; get an Overclocked gtx 460 (1GB version - pre-overclocked if you aren't into OC'ing on your own) Just don't pay more than $250 for it and look for one running at 750MHz or higher.

Processor: I would personally throw in a tiny bit of extra cash for the 965 black edition (3.4GHz) which should be just a little weaker than an i5 750 for games, based on the benchmarks I saw on Anandtech. If you have the cash for a better build overall of course, get an i7 950 for about $130 more than a phenom II 965. An i7 900 series also opens up the option of triple channel ram and 2x 16x PCI express slots for SLI as an advantage over an i5.

Ram: There is no point unless you run tons of stuff in the background. This is a 32-bit game and it's programming limits it to 2GB total usage between your video ram and system ram. The other 2GB you have should be able to run windows and all it's hidden programs in the background just fine. Just make sure you have 2 more open slots to easily add more ram in the future (for when programmers finally start making games 64 bit and allowing usage of all of the computer's ram).
#1770 Oct 15 2010 at 12:12 PM Rating: Decent
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just so I'm sure I understand what your saying

GTX460 1GB version is better than normal GTX470 or at least equal?

All the other specs are fine except I should look to upgrade the Processor to the one you suggested...

Awesome thanks for the help

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GTX 470 is a lot faster than a GTX 460.

It's just that 470's run a lot hotter, so you can technically overclock a 460 to near a 470's speeds, but even a slightly overclocked 470 will outpace a highly overclocked 460.
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just so I'm sure I understand what your saying

GTX460 1GB version is better than normal GTX470 or at least equal?


No.

GTX 460 1Gb is better than GTX 465.
GTX 460 1Gb is worse than GTX 470.
GTX 460 1Gb overclocked is similar to GTX 470 not overclocked.
GTX 460 1Gb overclocked is worse than GTX 470 overclocked.

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#1773 Oct 15 2010 at 8:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Overclocked? Is this something I should be buying?

Will I need more cooling fans or a bigger power supply if I overclock?

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Overclocked? Is this something I should be buying?

Will I need more cooling fans or a bigger power supply if I overclock?


You could buy it, but you don't need to. There are some video cards that are "factory overclocked" meaning that it's already overclocked a bit for you. These cards can also be overclocked further by us consumers, but I don't recommend you do it if you're not familiar with it.

If you buy an overclocked video card, get a 50W bigger power supply than what you originally intended.
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#1775 Oct 16 2010 at 11:15 AM Rating: Good
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First thanks again for all the help...I should be putting you guys on salary ^^

How about this one?

CPU - Intel i7 950 Quad-Core 3.06GHz
Motherboard - Asus P6T SE Intel X58
Ram - OCZ OCZ3G1333LV6GK DDR3 PC3-10666 6GB Kit
Card Reader- iMicro All-in-1 Multi Card Reader
SSD - Kingston V Series 30GB SATAII SSD
Harddrive- Seagate ST31000528AS 1TB SATAII 32MB
Blu-Ray- Samsung SH-S243D 24X DVDRW Black SATA
VideoCard- MSI GTX 460 Cyclone 1GB GDDR5 OC PCI-E
Sound - onboard 8-Channel HD Audio
Ethernet- onboard Gigabit LAN
Case - Cooler Master 690 II Advanced Gaming Tower
Power Supply- Corsair TX Series 650W PSU

The first PC I listed will cost me $1148 (Canadian)
This one is $1489 (Canadian)

Is this worth the extra 300 bucks to have an i7 Cpu and 2gb more of ram with a bigger power supply and the 1gb GTX 460

Thanks again
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Looks good to me.

And also +1 for choosing that case. I have the exact same one, and it is awesome.

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TheAnf wrote:
First thanks again for all the help...I should be putting you guys on salary ^^

How about this one?

CPU - Intel i7 950 Quad-Core 3.06GHz
Motherboard - Asus P6T SE Intel X58
Ram - OCZ OCZ3G1333LV6GK DDR3 PC3-10666 6GB Kit
Card Reader- iMicro All-in-1 Multi Card Reader
SSD - Kingston V Series 30GB SATAII SSD
Harddrive- Seagate ST31000528AS 1TB SATAII 32MB
Blu-Ray- Samsung SH-S243D 24X DVDRW Black SATA
VideoCard- MSI GTX 460 Cyclone 1GB GDDR5 OC PCI-E
Sound - onboard 8-Channel HD Audio
Ethernet- onboard Gigabit LAN
Case - Cooler Master 690 II Advanced Gaming Tower
Power Supply- Corsair TX Series 650W PSU

The first PC I listed will cost me $1148 (Canadian)
This one is $1489 (Canadian)

Is this worth the extra 300 bucks to have an i7 Cpu and 2gb more of ram with a bigger power supply and the 1gb GTX 460

Thanks again
Anf




I personally tend to think so as the benchmarks show a fairly significant difference between those 2 potential builds, but it really comes down to how much you intend to use the computer for gaming I guess. If you want a superb setup, the one you just listed is pretty **** good and will be for a few years to come (adding a second graphics card in a year or 2 will extend it's useful life as well, though if you do that you'd have to also get a bigger power supply as power consumption would go up and you'd need 2 more pci express power connectors).

The first one listed would need to be upgraded sooner in all likelihood, so it probably saves in the end.

Edited, Oct 16th 2010 1:30pm by haydyn323
#1778 Oct 16 2010 at 12:04 PM Rating: Decent
I'm a few posts back. I didn't end up getting anything at Best-Buy. But these are my two new options. Opinions?

The one I want more:
•CPU: AMD Phenom™II X4 965 Black Edition Quad-Core CPU w/ HyperTransport Technology [-40]
•HDD: 1.5TB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 32MB Cache 7200RPM HDD [+50] (Single Hard Drive)
•MEMORY: 4GB (2GBx2) DDR3/2000MHz Dual Channel Memory Module [+34] (Corsair or Major Brand)
•MOTHERBOARD: GigaByte GA-770T-USB3 AMD 770 Chipset Support DDR3 Ultra Durable™3 Socket AM3 ATX Mainboard w/ 7.1 HD Audio, GbLAN, USB3.0, SATA-II, RAID, 1 Gen2 PCIe, 4 PCIe X1, & 2 PCI
•VIDEO: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 1GB 16X PCIe Video Card [+171] (Palit Sonic Platinum 800MHz Core Powered by NVIDIA [+20])
+ Windows 7 home premium

CyberpowerPC.com = $1063.05 American.

The one with more warranty security: Dell Studio XPS 9100 Desktop
Processors Intel® Core™i7-930 processor(8MB L2 Cache, 2.80GHz)
Operating System Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English
Warranty and Service 1 Yr Ltd Warranty, On-site Service, and 1 Yr Tech Support
Memory 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz - 2 DIMMs (I know 1600 would be a lot better. I may be able to upgrade fairly cheap.)
Video Card ATI Radeon HD 5770 1024MB GDDR5
Hard Drive 1TB - 7200RPM, SATA 3.0Gb/s, 16MB Cache
Optical Drive Single Drive: 16X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) w/double layer write capability
Office Software Microsoft® Office Starter 2010
Security Software McAfee SecurityCenter, 15-Months
Sound Card THX® TruStudio PC™

Dell.com:$1,229.99

Comments, opinions, disgust, all greatly appreciated.
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Stay away from Dell, lol. Go with the first one. :)
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Do you know of any other companies like Dell where you can customize from the site? I went to Ibuypower too.
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Thanks guys I will go with the second one I posted then...any idea's on which monitor I should go with? (

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AMD Athlon 64 x2 5000+
2.6GHz dual-core

Motherboard: Asus M2R32-MVP

2GB memory

Nvidia GeForece 9400GT

500GB Hard Drive

DVD-RW

Includes Gaming computer, 15inch LCD, keyboard, and mouse.

thats another computer i was looking at can this run it well or no?
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Overheating.

I finally downloaded Speedfan to check out if I've been crashing due to heat.

Looks like my GPU gets up to 60 degrees during normal playing. I installed a second fan and I'm getting good airflow. I'm not sure if 60 degrees is so bad, but I'm still looking for strategies to cool it down further so I can run at higher settings.

Does anyone understand liquid cooling? Would care to make a suggestion for what I should buy?

From what I understand, Liquid Cooling is basically a recirculating water/oil mix that simply acts as a better heatsink. Mostly is referenced in conjunction with overclocking, which is not what I'm after.

Using a Nvidia GTS 250. Perhaps the newer cards have better heatsinks and/or don't have to work as hard to display FFXIV.

Any suggestions about GPU temperature control would be very helpful. Thanks.
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thats another computer i was looking at can this run it well or no?


Nope. Not even remotely close.
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Looks like my GPU gets up to 60 degrees during normal playing. I installed a second fan and I'm getting good airflow. I'm not sure if 60 degrees is so bad, but I'm still looking for strategies to cool it down further so I can run at higher settings.


60C is perfectly fine for your GPU. In fact, your GPU can tolerate up to about 105C before it explodes (exaggeration). As long as it remains under 90C at full load, you have nothing to worry about temperature-wise.

Your computer crashing is likely due to other reasons.



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I'm a few posts back. I didn't end up getting anything at Best-Buy. But these are my two new options. Opinions?

The one I want more:
•CPU: AMD Phenom™II X4 965 Black Edition Quad-Core CPU w/ HyperTransport Technology [-40]
•HDD: 1.5TB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 32MB Cache 7200RPM HDD [+50] (Single Hard Drive)
•MEMORY: 4GB (2GBx2) DDR3/2000MHz Dual Channel Memory Module [+34] (Corsair or Major Brand)
•MOTHERBOARD: GigaByte GA-770T-USB3 AMD 770 Chipset Support DDR3 Ultra Durable™3 Socket AM3 ATX Mainboard w/ 7.1 HD Audio, GbLAN, USB3.0, SATA-II, RAID, 1 Gen2 PCIe, 4 PCIe X1, & 2 PCI
•VIDEO: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 1GB 16X PCIe Video Card [+171] (Palit Sonic Platinum 800MHz Core Powered by NVIDIA [+20])
+ Windows 7 home premium

CyberpowerPC.com = $1063.05 American.

The one with more warranty security: Dell Studio XPS 9100 Desktop
Processors Intel® Core™i7-930 processor(8MB L2 Cache, 2.80GHz)
Operating System Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English
Warranty and Service 1 Yr Ltd Warranty, On-site Service, and 1 Yr Tech Support
Memory 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz - 2 DIMMs (I know 1600 would be a lot better. I may be able to upgrade fairly cheap.)
Video Card ATI Radeon HD 5770 1024MB GDDR5
Hard Drive 1TB - 7200RPM, SATA 3.0Gb/s, 16MB Cache
Optical Drive Single Drive: 16X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) w/double layer write capability
Office Software Microsoft® Office Starter 2010
Security Software McAfee SecurityCenter, 15-Months
Sound Card THX® TruStudio PC™

Dell.com:$1,229.99

Comments, opinions, disgust, all greatly appreciated.


Ya, go with the first one as someone else said. The i7 from the second one would be nice, but it's only got dual channel ram which is sort of a joke for an i7 930 as it can use triple channel. Also the video card from the first setup is way way way faster which will make a huge difference.
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Do you know of any other companies like Dell where you can customize from the site? I went to Ibuypower too.


http://stores.ebay.com/MICRO-ONE-COMPUTERS is a pretty good online store if you want a really custom build and don't want to do it yourself. Just make sure you add an operating system as it does not do so automatically it would seem...and make sure you pick a 64 bit one. Also make sure to add some case fans as those are not added automatically either.

Edited, Oct 17th 2010 9:12am by haydyn323
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RufuSwho wrote:

Looks like my GPU gets up to 60 degrees during normal playing. I installed a second fan and I'm getting good airflow. I'm not sure if 60 degrees is so bad, but I'm still looking for strategies to cool it down further so I can run at higher settings.


60C is perfectly fine for your GPU. In fact, your GPU can tolerate up to about 105C before it explodes (exaggeration). As long as it remains under 90C at full load, you have nothing to worry about temperature-wise.

Your computer crashing is likely due to other reasons.



Edited, Oct 17th 2010 1:09am by Threx


I've found the most common crash reasons if you aren't using an OC'd CPU is a problem with the northbridge/southbridge of the motherboard (due to prolonged overheating) or bad ram. In the case of the motherboard, that is bad news as you essentially need to buy a new motherboard and operating system (unless you have a full edition of windows rather than an OEM one that came with the computer).

If you don't have any spare parts around to test what the problem is and you consider your computer to still be worth a fair amount of money you can take it somewhere for them to find out for you. If it's worth less than 500 dollars at this point it may not be worth trying to fix at a computer shop as they'll likely charge you nearly the entire value of the computer just to fix it.
#1789 Oct 17 2010 at 9:27 AM Rating: Decent
I hope I'm not posting too much here. Now its really less about playing ffxiv and more about the freaking computer to play it on....

I'm looking at newegg. I know what I need GPU wize, Processor wize, Ram wize, Memory wize(not 1333 but 1600+)right?, Optical Drive wize, and more. But this kinda just knocked me off my chair.

Some of this stuff on newegg kinda just blows my mind. I'm looking at combo deals for my processor and I see:
GIGABYTE GA-890GPA-UD3H AM3 AMD 890GX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard- So this is a motherboard? Is there a guide to understand most of that?
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I hope I'm not posting too much here. Now its really less about playing ffxiv and more about the freaking computer to play it on....

I'm looking at newegg. I know what I need GPU wize, Processor wize, Ram wize, Memory wize(not 1333 but 1600+)right?, Optical Drive wize, and more. But this kinda just knocked me off my chair.

Some of this stuff on newegg kinda just blows my mind. I'm looking at combo deals for my processor and I see:
GIGABYTE GA-890GPA-UD3H AM3 AMD 890GX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard- So this is a motherboard? Is there a guide to understand most of that?


Yeah, it's a motherboard. It's not that complex to understand. I'll break it down for you:

Gigabyte: This is the brand.
GA-890GPA-UD3H: This is the model.
AM3: This is the socket type.
AMD 890GX: This is the chipset type.
SATA 6Gb/s: This just means the motherboard has 6Gb/s SATA connectors.
USB 3.0: This just means the motherboard has USB 3.0 ports.
HDMI: This just means the motherboard has a HDMI connector (to connect to monitors that use HDMI cables).
ATX: ATX is pretty much just the "standard motherboard" type.
And the AMD at the end is just there to stress -again- that the motherboard uses AMD CPUs

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#1791 Oct 17 2010 at 10:58 AM Rating: Decent
Threx wrote:
SoLostItsSad wrote:
I hope I'm not posting too much here. Now its really less about playing ffxiv and more about the freaking computer to play it on....

I'm looking at newegg. I know what I need GPU wize, Processor wize, Ram wize, Memory wize(not 1333 but 1600+)right?, Optical Drive wize, and more. But this kinda just knocked me off my chair.

Some of this stuff on newegg kinda just blows my mind. I'm looking at combo deals for my processor and I see:
GIGABYTE GA-890GPA-UD3H AM3 AMD 890GX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard- So this is a motherboard? Is there a guide to understand most of that?


Yeah, it's a motherboard. It's not that complex to understand. I'll break it down for you:

Gigabyte: This is the brand.
GA-890GPA-UD3H: This is the model.
AM3: This is the socket type.
AMD 890GX: This is the chipset type.
SATA 6Gb/s: This just means the motherboard has 6Gb/s SATA connectors.
USB 3.0: This just means the motherboard has USB 3.0 ports.
HDMI: This just means the motherboard has a HDMI connector (to connect to monitors that use HDMI cables).
ATX: ATX is pretty much just the "standard motherboard" type.
And the AMD at the end is just there to stress -again- that the motherboard uses AMD CPUs



So I basically need to know what I have and what I'm going to use before I pick a motherboard?
I think this is the only thing I'm still confused about and I appreciate the explanation.

God I hate asking these dumb questions. What should I look for in a mother board?

I'm currently leaning:
-AMD Phenom II X4 970 Black Edition Deneb 3.5GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core
-Palit NE5X460HF1102 GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) Sonic Platinum Overclocking Edition 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP
-Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
-G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
-Thermaltake TR2 TRX-650M 650W ATX 12V v2.3 / EPS 12V v2.91 Modular Active PFC Power Supply(I was told (and I may have miss read)that I should go with a 650 750 or 850. And I couldn't find a good 750

Still adding stuff and another question: Which is better? Power supply mounted on top or on bottom? If neither is better which would I need with my specs(thus far) if determinable.
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SSD - Kingston V Series 30GB SATAII SSD
30 GB would be way too small for me for a SSD. Then again, I actually wanted room to put my games onto it as well so I'd have room for more than just OS stuff and smaller programs.
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SSD - Kingston V Series 30GB SATAII SSD
30 GB would be way too small for me for a SSD. Then again, I actually wanted room to put my games onto it as well so I'd have room for more than just OS stuff and smaller programs.


I don't even know what a SSD does...it comes with the build should I be concerned or upgrade this?
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SSD - Kingston V Series 30GB SATAII SSD
30 GB would be way too small for me for a SSD. Then again, I actually wanted room to put my games onto it as well so I'd have room for more than just OS stuff and smaller programs.
I don't even know what a SSD does...it comes with the build should I be concerned or upgrade this?
It stands for solid state drive. It's just a hard drive, but due to the fact that the memory is all flash-based instead of being stored on a disc, it can read/write drastically faster than a regular hard drive. Makes the computer boot a lot faster and makes all programs load much quicker. If it's just 30 GB you'll be able to get the OS and your basic software onto the SSD, but games and other media will have to come from the secondary HD.

It's fairly new technology so it's still very expensive relatively speaking. That 30 GB SSD would probably be $90, compared to that 1TB seagate HD costing probably only $70. Not really necessary at all, but they are nice.
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Threx wrote:
SoLostItsSad wrote:
I hope I'm not posting too much here. Now its really less about playing ffxiv and more about the freaking computer to play it on....

I'm looking at newegg. I know what I need GPU wize, Processor wize, Ram wize, Memory wize(not 1333 but 1600+)right?, Optical Drive wize, and more. But this kinda just knocked me off my chair.

Some of this stuff on newegg kinda just blows my mind. I'm looking at combo deals for my processor and I see:
GIGABYTE GA-890GPA-UD3H AM3 AMD 890GX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard- So this is a motherboard? Is there a guide to understand most of that?


Yeah, it's a motherboard. It's not that complex to understand. I'll break it down for you:

Gigabyte: This is the brand.
GA-890GPA-UD3H: This is the model.
AM3: This is the socket type.
AMD 890GX: This is the chipset type.
SATA 6Gb/s: This just means the motherboard has 6Gb/s SATA connectors.
USB 3.0: This just means the motherboard has USB 3.0 ports.
HDMI: This just means the motherboard has a HDMI connector (to connect to monitors that use HDMI cables).
ATX: ATX is pretty much just the "standard motherboard" type.
And the AMD at the end is just there to stress -again- that the motherboard uses AMD CPUs



So I basically need to know what I have and what I'm going to use before I pick a motherboard?
I think this is the only thing I'm still confused about and I appreciate the explanation.

God I hate asking these dumb questions. What should I look for in a mother board?

I'm currently leaning:
-AMD Phenom II X4 970 Black Edition Deneb 3.5GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core
-Palit NE5X460HF1102 GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) Sonic Platinum Overclocking Edition 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP
-Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
-G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
-Thermaltake TR2 TRX-650M 650W ATX 12V v2.3 / EPS 12V v2.91 Modular Active PFC Power Supply(I was told (and I may have miss read)that I should go with a 650 750 or 850. And I couldn't find a good 750

Still adding stuff and another question: Which is better? Power supply mounted on top or on bottom? If neither is better which would I need with my specs(thus far) if determinable.



To know if the motherboards you are looking at will be compatible with the other parts you look at a few things.

1. Socket - Your listed phenom II processor says "Socket AM3" meaning you have to first make sure that you only select a motherboard that specifically says it has an AM3 socket.

2. ATX vs mini ATX vs ITX - This is essentially the size of the motherboard. ATX means full size and as such will only fit in a mid-tower or full-tower case. It will not fit in a mini tower case or itx case. Mini ATX will fit in a mini-tower and above. ITX will fit in the tiniest of little cases called ITX cases.

3. Hard drive type: SATA 1.5Gb/s, SATA 3.0Gb/s (aka sata II) or SATA 6.0Gb/s (aka sata III). The motherboard specs will state if they contain SATA II or SATA III ports. Usually if it has SATA III ports it will also have SATA II ports for older drives, especially optical drives. As you selected a hard drive with a 6.0 Gb/s type, this means you need a motherboard with SATA III, aka SATA 6.0 Gb/s. Major note, SATA III does NOT mean SATA 3.0 Gb/s. SATA III means 6.0 Gb/s. SATA II means 3.0 GB/s. It's all just naming. Each type of SATA has two names; one representing which generation SATA it is, the other representing it's theoretical transfer speed.

4. RAM - Check what type of ram the motherboard supports. As of now pretty much every motherboard being sold runs on DDR3 240 pin ram. As such you barely need to pay attention to this spec, but it may get more variable in the future. In general make sure you get a board supporting DDR3 240 pin ram if that's what you intend to use, as you are planning. In older generations of processors the maximum speed of the ram was determined by parts of the motherboard, but now is determined largely by the processor you buy (Phenom II, i7, etc.)

The only 2 things you really have to look at for ram these days is the speed (higher is faster in general, but more prone to errors and instability), and single channel / dual channel / triple channel. Almost every Phenom II board in existence runs on Dual channel ram, so make sure you buy in pairs in dual channel kits. That's really it. If you intend to build this yourself and have not done this before, be aware that every board has differences in which slots you should place the ram in. For instance if you buy 2 sticks of ram and there are 4 slots, you may need to stick the ram in slot 1 and 3 to run properly. In another it may be slot 1 and 2. In another it may be 3 and 4. In another it may be 2 and 4. The motherboard manual will guide you as to where to put the first 2 DIMMS of RAM if you only use one pair.

Power supply mounting question: It really doesn't matter where the power supply is mounted. I've had computers with both (my current is mounted on the bottom) and it really makes no difference. If you get a bottom mounted power supply type case, make sure the power supply you get has long enough 12 volt rail cables and a long enough 24 pin main ATX power cable to reach all the way up to where it needs to insert in the motherboard. Not all power supplies have long enough cables to do this. Bottom mount cases tend to be full tower cases, meaning very large, so having long enough cables is very important or you'll be sending back your power supply for one with longer cables.

Edited, Oct 17th 2010 9:07pm by haydyn323
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Hey guys, I have a question. I am looking into installing a wireless adapter. So the adapter requires a 32 bit PCI Interface and the mother board supports PCI Express 2.0 x16 (blue @ x16, gray @ x4 mode)and PCI Express 2.0 x1. Would they be compatible?

Thanks.
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Hey guys, I have a question. I am looking into installing a wireless adapter. So the adapter requires a 32 bit PCI Interface and the mother board supports PCI Express 2.0 x16 (blue @ x16, gray @ x4 mode)and PCI Express 2.0 x1. Would they be compatible?

Thanks.


A 32 bit PCI interface is an older generation motherboard connector. It looks physically different from a PCI Express connector. Here's a picture of all of the current connector types that you are likely to see on a home pc motherboard.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pipe-dreams-p35-ddr3-motherboards-compared,1616-5.html

Look at the first picture shown in the article. The little orange ones are PCI express x1. The Big orange one is a PCI express x16. The medium sized white ones on the left are the 32 bit PCI ports that you need to have to use the adapter you are buying.

On a side note, the color of the connectors changes by manufacturer and model, so do not go by the color of the port.

Edited, Oct 18th 2010 12:49pm by haydyn323
#1798 Oct 18 2010 at 1:01 PM Rating: Decent
So this is what I'm going to get 99.99% posotive. But I wanted to post here before I did so. All from newegg.

1
Sony Optiarc CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model AD-7261S-0B LightScribe Support - OEM
$18.99
2
Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
$87.99
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XFX HD-583X-ZAFV Radeon HD 5830 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ Eyefinity
$189.99
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G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL
$84.99
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Antec EarthWatts EA750 750W Continuous Power ATX12V version 2.3 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC ...
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Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Both are $109.00 With a 25$ rebate
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AMD Phenom II X4 970 Black Edition Deneb 3.5GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Desktop Processor HDZ970FBGMBOX
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ASUS M4A785TD-V EVO AM3 AMD 785G HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
both of these are $262.98

+shipping,+taxes,+warranties= $878.51

I'll be trying to get a OS through other means.
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#1799 Oct 18 2010 at 1:31 PM Rating: Decent
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SoLostItsSad wrote:
So this is what I'm going to get 99.99% posotive. But I wanted to post here before I did so. All from newegg.

1
Sony Optiarc CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model AD-7261S-0B LightScribe Support - OEM
$18.99
2
Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
$87.99
3
XFX HD-583X-ZAFV Radeon HD 5830 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ Eyefinity
$189.99
4
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL
$84.99
5
Antec EarthWatts EA750 750W Continuous Power ATX12V version 2.3 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC ...
&
Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Both are $109.00 With a 25$ rebate
6
AMD Phenom II X4 970 Black Edition Deneb 3.5GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Desktop Processor HDZ970FBGMBOX
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ASUS M4A785TD-V EVO AM3 AMD 785G HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
both of these are $262.98

+shipping,+taxes,+warranties= $878.51

I'll be trying to get a OS through other means.


looks like a slightly expensive build, especially looking at the CPU combo, I was able to pick up phenom 965 BE with an AM3 board free for 160 at microcenter, $100 less for the same cpu after OCing (assuming 365 and 370 should have very similar OC capacity)

also i see a lot of GTX 460 1gb dipping around $200, that should definitely out perform 5830 by a decent amount as it runs better than 5850 close to 5870 (i was able to pick up a EVGA GTX 460 1gb for $200 after rebate) so not a lot of money for a decently good improvement

on a side note: still can't bring myself to justify why people love intel i7 so much more than phenom, i feel that unless you are willing to drop over $250 on cpu that phenom will be similar performance if not better at the same price range, and judging by how fast technology updates its unwise to drop soo much on cpu at once...
#1800 Oct 19 2010 at 7:11 AM Rating: Decent
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kick53rv3 wrote:
SoLostItsSad wrote:
So this is what I'm going to get 99.99% posotive. But I wanted to post here before I did so. All from newegg.

1
Sony Optiarc CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model AD-7261S-0B LightScribe Support - OEM
$18.99
2
Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
$87.99
3
XFX HD-583X-ZAFV Radeon HD 5830 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ Eyefinity
$189.99
4
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL
$84.99
5
Antec EarthWatts EA750 750W Continuous Power ATX12V version 2.3 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC ...
&
Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Both are $109.00 With a 25$ rebate
6
AMD Phenom II X4 970 Black Edition Deneb 3.5GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Desktop Processor HDZ970FBGMBOX
&
ASUS M4A785TD-V EVO AM3 AMD 785G HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
both of these are $262.98

+shipping,+taxes,+warranties= $878.51

I'll be trying to get a OS through other means.


looks like a slightly expensive build, especially looking at the CPU combo, I was able to pick up phenom 965 BE with an AM3 board free for 160 at microcenter, $100 less for the same cpu after OCing (assuming 365 and 370 should have very similar OC capacity)

also i see a lot of GTX 460 1gb dipping around $200, that should definitely out perform 5830 by a decent amount as it runs better than 5850 close to 5870 (i was able to pick up a EVGA GTX 460 1gb for $200 after rebate) so not a lot of money for a decently good improvement

on a side note: still can't bring myself to justify why people love intel i7 so much more than phenom, i feel that unless you are willing to drop over $250 on cpu that phenom will be similar performance if not better at the same price range, and judging by how fast technology updates its unwise to drop soo much on cpu at once...


Ya i'd also recommend the 460 gtx 1gb over the 5830

One little annoyance to warn you about before you get it all and end up ****** off that you can't use the computer. You are buying a "bare drive" meaning it does not come with a SATA cable to connect it to the motherboard. Make sure you buy one or you'll be missing a 5 dollar part that stops a 900 dollar computer from working.
#1801 Oct 19 2010 at 9:29 AM Rating: Good
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haydyn323 wrote:
kick53rv3 wrote:
SoLostItsSad wrote:
So this is what I'm going to get 99.99% posotive. But I wanted to post here before I did so. All from newegg.

1
Sony Optiarc CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model AD-7261S-0B LightScribe Support - OEM
$18.99
2
Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
$87.99
3
XFX HD-583X-ZAFV Radeon HD 5830 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ Eyefinity
$189.99
4
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL
$84.99
5
Antec EarthWatts EA750 750W Continuous Power ATX12V version 2.3 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC ...
&
Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Both are $109.00 With a 25$ rebate
6
AMD Phenom II X4 970 Black Edition Deneb 3.5GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Desktop Processor HDZ970FBGMBOX
&
ASUS M4A785TD-V EVO AM3 AMD 785G HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
both of these are $262.98

+shipping,+taxes,+warranties= $878.51

I'll be trying to get a OS through other means.


looks like a slightly expensive build, especially looking at the CPU combo, I was able to pick up phenom 965 BE with an AM3 board free for 160 at microcenter, $100 less for the same cpu after OCing (assuming 365 and 370 should have very similar OC capacity)

also i see a lot of GTX 460 1gb dipping around $200, that should definitely out perform 5830 by a decent amount as it runs better than 5850 close to 5870 (i was able to pick up a EVGA GTX 460 1gb for $200 after rebate) so not a lot of money for a decently good improvement

on a side note: still can't bring myself to justify why people love intel i7 so much more than phenom, i feel that unless you are willing to drop over $250 on cpu that phenom will be similar performance if not better at the same price range, and judging by how fast technology updates its unwise to drop soo much on cpu at once...


Ya i'd also recommend the 460 gtx 1gb over the 5830

One little annoyance to warn you about before you get it all and end up ****** off that you can't use the computer. You are buying a "bare drive" meaning it does not come with a SATA cable to connect it to the motherboard. Make sure you buy one or you'll be missing a 5 dollar part that stops a 900 dollar computer from working.

more like less than 1 dollar part :) pick up some screws too, when i got my new mobo and gtx 460 both parts didn't come with screws (it was the retail package, not refurb or anything)
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