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Yup, it will run the game.

But seriously, $191? Usually a laptop like that would be way over $1000.
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#1804 Oct 20 2010 at 6:09 AM Rating: Decent
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Currently running Core 2 Duo@E8400 and HD5770 1GB GPU.

Getting about 3300 on the benchmark but both cores running at 100% all of the time.

My question is :

Will I see a significant difference upgrading my CPU (with same 775 socket motherboard)?

I was considering either the Q8** or Q9** CPU's.

Thanks
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#1805 Oct 20 2010 at 7:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Threx wrote:


Yup, it will run the game.

But seriously, $191? Usually a laptop like that would be way over $1000.


That link goes to a replacement screen/monitor for that type of laptop, not to a full laptop. Don't buy that unless you just want a disembodied lcd screen.

http://www.buy.com/prod/17-gaming-notebook/q/loc/101/214417565.html This link goes to the real thing and it's over $1300.

Edited, Oct 20th 2010 9:26am by haydyn323
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Please Help

Currently running Core 2 Duo@E8400 and HD5770 1GB GPU.

Getting about 3300 on the benchmark but both cores running at 100% all of the time.

My question is :

Will I see a significant difference upgrading my CPU (with same 775 socket motherboard)?

I was considering either the Q8** or Q9** CPU's.

Thanks


There isn't really much room to upgrade your cpu. You could get a quad core, assuming your motherboard supports it, of the same clock speed as your current dual core, but that's about it. The extra 2 cores might speed the game up a little, but not significantly. Only 2 cores are 100% utilized by FFXIV. The game does seem to use at least 2 more cores sometimes at a lower level of usage (like 10-40%) so 4 cores might help a little.

Overall, it does not seem worth it to me to upgrade the cpu in your setup. It would be better to save up for a complete replacement with a phenom II 965 or i7 950 if you want a truly noticeable change.
#1807 Oct 20 2010 at 10:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Intel motherboard with 945 chipset, SATA-II RAID support, USB 2.0, high definition audio, etc.
LGA775 pentium 4 2.8ghz CPU with hyperthreading (motherboard supports up to the 9xxx series Core 2 Quad CPU's)
Nvidia Geforce 7950GT Graphics card with 256 megs DDR-3 RAM
4 gigs of DDR-2 RAM, PC6400 (800mhz)
500gb SATA-II hard drive
DVD/CDRW combo drive
Coolermaster 500 watt power supply
Antec Full tower case
PCI Wireless card installed (no antenna, $5 at Fry's)


can this run smooth?
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LGA775 pentium 4 2.8ghz CPU
Nvidia Geforce 7950GT Graphics card with 256 megs DDR-3 RAM
4 gigs of DDR-2 RAM, PC6400 (800mhz)

can this run smooth?



I suggest you read the first page before asking that question.
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i would go spend a little bit more on the cpu and gpu, wait for a combo deal with cpu and motherboard since a lot of the times you can get a free basic motherboard with the cpu purchase (i actually haven't bought a mobo in the past 5 or 6 pc builds)

i used to have that cpu, it'll bottleneck the system and experience significant lag in cities and crowded areas like camps so i would say invest more if you really want to play the game

and i would say next time just list the names and specs of the part instead of a list of links, we have to click and load each of them individually and its a little annoying, people on here are techsavvy enough to know the basics when you put things like athlon x2 645 or something like that, and i would say the only things that actually matters to this game is mobo, gpu, cpu and ram (maybe hd)
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haydyn323 wrote:
Kamarth wrote:
Please Help

Currently running Core 2 Duo@E8400 and HD5770 1GB GPU.

Getting about 3300 on the benchmark but both cores running at 100% all of the time.

My question is :

Will I see a significant difference upgrading my CPU (with same 775 socket motherboard)?

I was considering either the Q8** or Q9** CPU's.

Thanks


There isn't really much room to upgrade your cpu. You could get a quad core, assuming your motherboard supports it, of the same clock speed as your current dual core, but that's about it. The extra 2 cores might speed the game up a little, but not significantly. Only 2 cores are 100% utilized by FFXIV. The game does seem to use at least 2 more cores sometimes at a lower level of usage (like 10-40%) so 4 cores might help a little.

Overall, it does not seem worth it to me to upgrade the cpu in your setup. It would be better to save up for a complete replacement with a phenom II 965 or i7 950 if you want a truly noticeable change.


I had the E8400 and a GTX 460 and was getting right around 3200. I upgraded to the i7-950 (yes, I know this is a different socket) and my score went over 5000. So I can't really tell you if it's the new motherboard or the CPU that had the biggest impact, but quad core definitely does help with this game.
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Ya I noticed that to my dismay as well lol, thus the interest in it originally, before finding that out. But decided on trying to build one, heres what I got so far.

Optical Drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289

Mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131603R

Video http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102829

Ram http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148352

CPU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103687

Case http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00166KBDS/ref=ord_cart_shr?ie=UTF8&m=A1CUXCEWGAZ8O2

OS http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GWLTSE/ref=ord_cart_shr?ie=UTF8&m=A1ZCFVZ87DOKY0

HD http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001VKYA5E/ref=ord_cart_shr?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Thanks for any and all input, just want to make sure this works, before dropping the dough.



i would go spend a little bit more on the cpu and gpu, wait for a combo deal with cpu and motherboard since a lot of the times you can get a free basic motherboard with the cpu purchase (i actually haven't bought a mobo in the past 5 or 6 pc builds)

i used to have that cpu, it'll bottleneck the system and experience significant lag in cities and crowded areas like camps so i would say invest more if you really want to play the game

and i would say next time just list the names and specs of the part instead of a list of links, we have to click and load each of them individually and its a little annoying, people on here are techsavvy enough to know the basics when you put things like athlon x2 645 or something like that, and i would say the only things that actually matters to this game is mobo, gpu, cpu and ram (maybe hd)



Thank you for the info, and ya sorry about the links didnt think as usual, I will look into upgrading that cpu, most definitely, I dont care about stellar graphics, but would like to avoid lag where I can, once again thank you.

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Thanks for the response. the I7 950 is leagues above the best CPU my motherboard could handle so I get the impression an upgrade would give me a negligable increase.

Shame really as I cant afford a new motherboard CPU

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Thanks for the response. the I7 950 is leagues above the best CPU my motherboard could handle so I get the impression an upgrade would give me a negligable increase.

Shame really as I cant afford a new motherboard CPU

You could do well with a Q9550 or Q9650. They're currently pulling similar numbers to all of the i7 processors with the same GPU's, and are socket 775. They are somewhat expensive, though, but you could probably find a good used one out of an old PC on Ebay or your local PC shop for about half the price.

I actually wish I had gone out and bought a used one instead of shelling out the money to buy an i7 930 because the difference in performance between the two is negligible.
#1815 Oct 22 2010 at 12:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Can someone let me know how it would run on
amd athlon x2 215 @ 2.7
4Gb of ram
ati 5770

i dont have the gfx card yet so i cant run the benchmark but can someone give me an idea of how good or bad the game will run.
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Can someone let me know how it would run on
amd athlon x2 215 @ 2.7
4Gb of ram
ati 5770

i dont have the gfx card yet so i cant run the benchmark but can someone give me an idea of how good or bad the game will run.


That CPU is barely above the minimum requirements. It will run the game, but I imagine not enjoyable.

The GPU is fine.
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#1817 Oct 22 2010 at 2:18 PM Rating: Decent
I'd like to get some help as well. With my current PC I am able to run and play FFXIV but only with the lowest settings, which isn't nearly as enjoyable as running it on max settings. I also understand that some major problems need to be fixed by SE.

I still need to wait quite some time before NPC nearby show up especially in crowded areas. Doors open up for me a minute later before I can enter and so on...

I bought my PC at an mail-order house so it's nowhere as good as if I'd have built it myself..
Now I'd like to know if this system is upgradeable in any way or I need to buy a whole new one. Also would like to hear what you'd reccomend I should buy.

My current system:

Medion Akoya 5303 D PC
Windows Vista Home Edition
SP II
Direct X 9.0 C

MoBo: MS 7501
CPU: AMD Phenom X3 8550 Triple Core Processor 2200 Mhz
RAM : 3 x 1 GB
Graphic Card ( really bad one ): Nvidia GeForce GT 120
It's so bad that I wasn't even able to get a replacement cooler wheel for it anymore -_- I guess this is one of the main reasons I can't run FFXIV on good settings.

HDD: WDC WD7500AACS-00D6B1 ATA Device (698 GB, IDE)

That's all I was able to get out of information from Everest Home Edition.
If you need to know more to help me out upgrading this then I'll try to get these informations somehow. Thank you for your help in advance. :)

Edit: Oh yeah, way back when the Benchmark was released I merely got a score of between 700-900 points. :-/

Edit2: Forgot about my wife almost: She is sometimes playing FFXIV on her laptop but it is running the game barely and very slow. :(

It's a Medion Akoya P6611 with the following hardware:

OS: Windows Vista Home Premium
CPU: Intel Centrino Core 2 Duo T5800 (2GHz, 2MB L2-Cache, 800MHz FSB)
RAM: 3GB DDR2 SDRAM
GPU: nVIDIA GeForce 9300M GS, DirectX 10, 256MB GDDR3, HDMI audio/video out
HDD: Western Digital 320GB

If I remember correctly, she didn't even reach 100 points while running the benchmark. :D
Is there any chance to upgrade parts of this one or is it useless altogether and maybe she's better off either buying a complete new one or waiting for PS3 release?


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ShalindraCelesti wrote:
I'd like to get some help as well. With my current PC I am able to run and play FFXIV but only with the lowest settings, which isn't nearly as enjoyable as running it on max settings. I also understand that some major problems need to be fixed by SE.

I still need to wait quite some time before NPC nearby show up especially in crowded areas. Doors open up for me a minute later before I can enter and so on...

I bought my PC at an mail-order house so it's nowhere as good as if I'd have built it myself..
Now I'd like to know if this system is upgradeable in any way or I need to buy a whole new one. Also would like to hear what you'd reccomend I should buy.

My current system:

Medion Akoya 5303 D PC
Windows Vista Home Edition
SP II
Direct X 9.0 C

MoBo: MS 7501
CPU: AMD Phenom X3 8550 Triple Core Processor 2200 Mhz
RAM : 3 x 1 GB
Graphic Card ( really bad one ): Nvidia GeForce GT 120
It's so bad that I wasn't even able to get a replacement cooler wheel for it anymore -_- I guess this is one of the main reasons I can't run FFXIV on good settings.

HDD: WDC WD7500AACS-00D6B1 ATA Device (698 GB, IDE)

That's all I was able to get out of information from Everest Home Edition.
If you need to know more to help me out upgrading this then I'll try to get these informations somehow. Thank you for your help in advance. :)

Edit: Oh yeah, way back when the Benchmark was released I merely got a score of between 700-900 points. :-/

Edit2: Forgot about my wife almost: She is sometimes playing FFXIV on her laptop but it is running the game barely and very slow. :(

It's a Medion Akoya P6611 with the following hardware:

OS: Windows Vista Home Premium
CPU: Intel Centrino Core 2 Duo T5800 (2GHz, 2MB L2-Cache, 800MHz FSB)
RAM: 3GB DDR2 SDRAM
GPU: nVIDIA GeForce 9300M GS, DirectX 10, 256MB GDDR3, HDMI audio/video out
HDD: Western Digital 320GB

If I remember correctly, she didn't even reach 100 points while running the benchmark. :D
Is there any chance to upgrade parts of this one or is it useless altogether and maybe she's better off either buying a complete new one or waiting for PS3 release?


Edited, Oct 22nd 2010 4:38pm by ShalindraCelesti

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Edited, Oct 22nd 2010 5:02pm by ShalindraCelesti


upgrading the GPU would probably help most for you desktop, as for your wife, either build a new pc or wait for ps3, laptops that can run this game at a decent quality is an overkill for normal applications and laptop usage, and it'll cost you a decent amount (i remember reading somewhere that people asked about upgrading laptops to run this game and it turns out it'll be cheaper to build a pc and buy a netbook and still have better quality for the game)
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upgrading the GPU would probably help most for you desktop, as for your wife, either build a new pc or wait for ps3, laptops that can run this game at a decent quality is an overkill for normal applications and laptop usage, and it'll cost you a decent amount (i remember reading somewhere that people asked about upgrading laptops to run this game and it turns out it'll be cheaper to build a pc and buy a netbook and still have better quality for the game)


Yeah I already thought so. My wife's laptop is hopeless in that regard. I think we'll just do it like discussed before that I'll switch over to PS3 in March and she can use my PC instead so that we both can play FFXIV without problems - until then we'll have to share one PC. Saddest thing is that we cannot play together at all until then. :(

About exchanging my GPU : Already thought that my current one is the biggest problem and one of the main reasons why I can't run this game more smooth. :(
Can you recommend one ( or more ) that are compatible with my mainboard? If it is necessary to get a new mobo and CPU I'll think about that as well, I just need some combinations of hardware that work well together. I'm not that familiar anymore with today's hardware. Everytime I'm in front of the shelves filled with GPU's, CPU's and all that stuff I get a headache.
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upgrading the GPU would probably help most for you desktop, as for your wife, either build a new pc or wait for ps3, laptops that can run this game at a decent quality is an overkill for normal applications and laptop usage, and it'll cost you a decent amount (i remember reading somewhere that people asked about upgrading laptops to run this game and it turns out it'll be cheaper to build a pc and buy a netbook and still have better quality for the game)


Yeah I already thought so. My wife's laptop is hopeless in that regard. I think we'll just do it like discussed before that I'll switch over to PS3 in March and she can use my PC instead so that we both can play FFXIV without problems - until then we'll have to share one PC. Saddest thing is that we cannot play together at all until then. :(

About exchanging my GPU : Already thought that my current one is the biggest problem and one of the main reasons why I can't run this game more smooth. :(
Can you recommend one ( or more ) that are compatible with my mainboard? If it is necessary to get a new mobo and CPU I'll think about that as well, I just need some combinations of hardware that work well together. I'm not that familiar anymore with today's hardware. Everytime I'm in front of the shelves filled with GPU's, CPU's and all that stuff I get a headache.


Any video card will fit in the motherboard. There are 2 other potential problems though. It does not appear to me that your computer was built for power. As such, I'm guessing it has a pretty small case and a weak power supply. You may not be able to physically fit a new and better video card inside your case. Even if you do, your power supply is unlikely to have the 6 and/or 8 pin power connectors and raw wattage available to power the card.

It is my guess that if you want to upgrade your video card you will likely need a new power supply and quite possibly a bigger case. I don't know what power supply or case you have so I can't answer that for sure.
#1821 Oct 23 2010 at 11:32 AM Rating: Decent
Thank you very much for helping so far, looks like we get closer to the goal now.

I understand the problem with the power supply - honestly I don't even know what is inside my PC but I'm sure it's just a cheap one so I get it that it's quite a problem to put in a good GPU while running on a cheap power supply...
About the case problem, maybe this picture can help out a little - that's how it looks like Medion Akoya P 5303 D

Maybe some sizes also are helpful to determine if the case is big enough or not

Depth in cm: 50
Height in cm: 55,5
Width in cm: 23,5

Since you said almost any card can be put into the motherboard I mentioned, let's be a bit more specific: Which one would you recommend putting in with a price range up to 200 € which gives the best results for the money spent?
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Hey Guys just another quick question

2 Video cards...I have a system build that has an overclocked GTX 460 1gb included but I can add a second GTX 460 1gb video card to it for 135 dollars (its a deal that I'm getting through a friend)

I have an intel i7-950 quad core and 6gb of ram and a 750w power supply in the build as well...

Would I see a significant increase in gaming with the dual cards? I have read that dual cards only really make a difference with widescreen monitors is this true?

Thanks again
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ShalindraCelesti wrote:
Thank you very much for helping so far, looks like we get closer to the goal now.

I understand the problem with the power supply - honestly I don't even know what is inside my PC but I'm sure it's just a cheap one so I get it that it's quite a problem to put in a good GPU while running on a cheap power supply...
About the case problem, maybe this picture can help out a little - that's how it looks like Medion Akoya P 5303 D

Maybe some sizes also are helpful to determine if the case is big enough or not

Depth in cm: 50
Height in cm: 55,5
Width in cm: 23,5

Since you said almost any card can be put into the motherboard I mentioned, let's be a bit more specific: Which one would you recommend putting in with a price range up to 200 € which gives the best results for the money spent?


That exact price range is pretty well dominated by the Nvidia Geforce GTX 470. The new Radeon HD 6870 is also in that price range but is actually slower in most applications than a 470 according to the benchmarks recently shown.

From the looks of your computer case, however, I don't think either of those 2 cards would fit inside. They are just too long and will run into the front of the case or the hard drive cage.

Probably the longest card you are going to get to fit inside that is a relatively short Geforce GTX 460 1GB. You can get a pretty nice one factory overclocked to nearly the same speed as a GTX 470 or a Radeon 6870.

A good example of a shorter GTX 460 that would likely fit is this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127510

or this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814261076

I am nearly certain though that your power supply does not have the necessary 2x 6 pin pci-express power plugs needed to power the card.

It needs to have two of these: http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/shows/computex/2004/nv45final/connector.jpg

It also needs to have about a 450 watt, or higher power supply to safely support it.

Edited, Oct 23rd 2010 8:26pm by haydyn323
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Hey Guys just another quick question

2 Video cards...I have a system build that has an overclocked GTX 460 1gb included but I can add a second GTX 460 1gb video card to it for 135 dollars (its a deal that I'm getting through a friend)

I have an intel i7-950 quad core and 6gb of ram and a 750w power supply in the build as well...

Would I see a significant increase in gaming with the dual cards? I have read that dual cards only really make a difference with widescreen monitors is this true?

Thanks again


SLI and Crossfire (dual video card usage) does in fact get better gains from higher resolution monitors, which tend to be large.

That said, SLI does significantly increase framerate even in lower resolutions. You would very much see a significant difference with dual cards as long as you are using the very newest drivers from Nvidia that were just this last week released. Prior to that, SLI did not work in FFXIV properly. If you are not sure if you have the newest drivers, just get the newest ones from Nvidia anyway to make sure and do a "clean install" (it's an option in the installation menu).

In short, yes; do it. That is a very good price.
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Thank you again...cheers
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TheAnf wrote:
Hey Guys just another quick question

2 Video cards...I have a system build that has an overclocked GTX 460 1gb included but I can add a second GTX 460 1gb video card to it for 135 dollars (its a deal that I'm getting through a friend)

I have an intel i7-950 quad core and 6gb of ram and a 750w power supply in the build as well...

Would I see a significant increase in gaming with the dual cards? I have read that dual cards only really make a difference with widescreen monitors is this true?

Thanks again


it'll help but as for significant increase you might have to check your current status (if you are running on high quality with over 40 fps you won't see much), but having SLI 460s are definitely better than not having them right? especially for this deal :)

just make sure you have the mobo that supports it, enough power (i think 750w might be too low for 2 460s) and it fits in your case, if all 3 checks out then totally go for it :)
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So game also supports crossfire or only SLI? If so, you guys think I might be able to play game at max settings with 2 5850's?

Edited, Oct 24th 2010 6:29pm by AhiraSonofEnan
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So game also supports crossfire or only SLI? If so, you guys think I might be able to play game at max settings with 2 5850's?

Edited, Oct 24th 2010 6:29pm by AhiraSonofEnan


If by max settings you mean Ambient Occlusion on, all in game options on, depth of field on, 16xQ CSAA, 2560x1600 resolution with double resolution frame rendering, shadows, textures, filtering all on high/highest then no. Not even 2 GTX 480s can do that at 60 fps. So far no setup can do everything on absolute max at 2560x1600 res with really good framerate. It is possible on lower resolution, so it really depends what res you are running at.
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Ok after much looking, "tirelessly", and help from the forums. I believe I have finally found the build Ive been looking for, just need to get some input before ordering. Here is the following:

Case: Rosewill Blackbone Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower

link http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.514368

Mobo: ASUS M4A785-M AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 785G HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard

GPU: ASUS EAH5550/DI/1GD3(LP) Radeon HD 5550 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Low

Ram: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory

CPU: AMD Phenom 9850 Black Edition 2.5GHz Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Desktop Processor

link http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.513237

PSU: Coolmax V-500 Series 500W 120mm ATX Power Supply

link http://www.walmart.com/cart.gsp

Thanks for all your input and I hope this should once and for all be correct.
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Ok after much looking, "tirelessly", and help from the forums. I believe I have finally found the build Ive been looking for, just need to get some input before ordering. Here is the following:

Mobo: ASUS M4A785-M AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 785G HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
GPU: ASUS EAH5550/DI/1GD3(LP) Radeon HD 5550 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Low
Ram: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory
CPU: AMD Phenom 9850 Black Edition 2.5GHz Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Desktop Processor

Thanks for all your input and I hope this should once and for all be correct.



The CPU isn't too bad, although I would recommend a better one.

Your video card, though, is pretty bad. =/

What's your budget? If you can afford it, I really recommend you to get a system that uses DDR3 RAM. DDR2 is the system of yesteryear.



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Thx for the response, yeah, was looking at or around 400 dollars. Found a few other combos I may try as well.
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Thx for the response, yeah, was looking at or around 400 dollars. Found a few other combos I may try as well.


Just so you don't end up dissapointed, a $400 dollar computer is going to run the game at very low settings, likely even still at bad framerate. Just don't want you to get your hopes up.
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Ya, tbh Im not looking for anything crazy haha. Just a machine, mainly that will run the game, its going to be a PS3 game for me down the road, so this is just to hold me off until then. I was borrowing a computer that was running at low settings, so I know what to expect, thx again for the help.
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#1834 Oct 26 2010 at 10:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok after much looking, "tirelessly", and help from the forums. I believe I have finally found the build Ive been looking for, just need to get some input before ordering. Here is the following:

Case: Rosewill Blackbone Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower

link http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.514368

Mobo: ASUS M4A785-M AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 785G HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard

GPU: ASUS EAH5550/DI/1GD3(LP) Radeon HD 5550 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Low

Ram: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory

CPU: AMD Phenom 9850 Black Edition 2.5GHz Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Desktop Processor

link http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.513237

PSU: Coolmax V-500 Series 500W 120mm ATX Power Supply

link http://www.walmart.com/cart.gsp

Thanks for all your input and I hope this should once and for all be correct.


do you have to get every part or can you recycle some parts from old computers? the deal on the cpu isn't great, i was able to land phenom 2 x4 965 +free mobo+ 2 gb ram for less than $200 after rebate, adding about 2 gb shouldn't go past $230 (DDR3 RAM) get a 5750 or 5770 for less than $100 and you got yourself a standard quality capable pc for under $400 :)

just gotta wait for those deals, i rarely find good ones on newegg, if you have microcenter or frys close by definitely keep an eye on those since their deals are way way way better than newegg, i use newegg for reviews and stuff but wouldn't recommend ordering everything from them (they make saving $20 dollars on already higher-than-market price sounds like a great combo)
#1835 Oct 26 2010 at 11:12 AM Rating: Decent
kick53rv3 wrote:
haydyn323 wrote:
kick53rv3 wrote:
SoLostItsSad wrote:
So this is what I'm going to get 99.99% posotive. But I wanted to post here before I did so. All from newegg.

1
Sony Optiarc CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model AD-7261S-0B LightScribe Support - OEM
$18.99
2
Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
$87.99
3
XFX HD-583X-ZAFV Radeon HD 5830 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ Eyefinity
$189.99
4
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL
$84.99
5
Antec EarthWatts EA750 750W Continuous Power ATX12V version 2.3 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC ...
&
Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Both are $109.00 With a 25$ rebate
6
AMD Phenom II X4 970 Black Edition Deneb 3.5GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Desktop Processor HDZ970FBGMBOX
&
ASUS M4A785TD-V EVO AM3 AMD 785G HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
both of these are $262.98

+shipping,+taxes,+warranties= $878.51

I'll be trying to get a OS through other means.


looks like a slightly expensive build, especially looking at the CPU combo, I was able to pick up phenom 965 BE with an AM3 board free for 160 at microcenter, $100 less for the same cpu after OCing (assuming 365 and 370 should have very similar OC capacity)

also i see a lot of GTX 460 1gb dipping around $200, that should definitely out perform 5830 by a decent amount as it runs better than 5850 close to 5870 (i was able to pick up a EVGA GTX 460 1gb for $200 after rebate) so not a lot of money for a decently good improvement

on a side note: still can't bring myself to justify why people love intel i7 so much more than phenom, i feel that unless you are willing to drop over $250 on cpu that phenom will be similar performance if not better at the same price range, and judging by how fast technology updates its unwise to drop soo much on cpu at once...


Ya i'd also recommend the 460 gtx 1gb over the 5830

One little annoyance to warn you about before you get it all and end up ****** off that you can't use the computer. You are buying a "bare drive" meaning it does not come with a SATA cable to connect it to the motherboard. Make sure you buy one or you'll be missing a 5 dollar part that stops a 900 dollar computer from working.

more like less than 1 dollar part :) pick up some screws too, when i got my new mobo and gtx 460 both parts didn't come with screws (it was the retail package, not refurb or anything)


Alright so today is the big day. And I'm just going to fallow the instructions on the forum and post before I buy.


-Rosewill 18" Serial ATA Black Flat Cable w/ Locking Later Support 6 Gbps, 3 Gbps, and 1.5 Gbps transfer rate Model RC-18"-SA2-90-BK (for the hard drive)

Link Depot 6 ft. HDMI TO HDMI A/V Cable Model HDMI-2-HDMI - OEM (I believe my dell st2210b can use hdmi and I heard it was a lot better quality....)

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

EVGA 01G-P3-1373-AR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) Superclocked EE 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support ( read a bad review...)
or
EVGA 01G-P3-1377-TR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) FTW 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card


G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL

Antec EarthWatts EA750 750W Continuous Power ATX12V version 2.3 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC ...

Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

AMD Phenom II X4 970 Black Edition Deneb 3.5GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Desktop Processor HDZ970FBGMBOX

ASUS M4A785TD-V EVO AM3 AMD 785G HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard

Suggestions, concerns, opinions. So I've been learning and reading about building computers and on and on. Just wondering, what is it like the first time you turn on the computer? What is the satisfaction level? Especially with your first computer. Also:What do you need to do? I read someone filled there ram up on accident(or something similar) because info wasn't being saved to the hard drive(or something) I'm very blonde when it comes to computers.
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#1836 Oct 26 2010 at 12:33 PM Rating: Decent
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SoLostItsSad wrote:
kick53rv3 wrote:
haydyn323 wrote:
kick53rv3 wrote:
SoLostItsSad wrote:
So this is what I'm going to get 99.99% posotive. But I wanted to post here before I did so. All from newegg.

1
Sony Optiarc CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model AD-7261S-0B LightScribe Support - OEM
$18.99
2
Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
$87.99
3
XFX HD-583X-ZAFV Radeon HD 5830 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ Eyefinity
$189.99
4
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL
$84.99
5
Antec EarthWatts EA750 750W Continuous Power ATX12V version 2.3 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC ...
&
Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Both are $109.00 With a 25$ rebate
6
AMD Phenom II X4 970 Black Edition Deneb 3.5GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Desktop Processor HDZ970FBGMBOX
&
ASUS M4A785TD-V EVO AM3 AMD 785G HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
both of these are $262.98

+shipping,+taxes,+warranties= $878.51

I'll be trying to get a OS through other means.


looks like a slightly expensive build, especially looking at the CPU combo, I was able to pick up phenom 965 BE with an AM3 board free for 160 at microcenter, $100 less for the same cpu after OCing (assuming 365 and 370 should have very similar OC capacity)

also i see a lot of GTX 460 1gb dipping around $200, that should definitely out perform 5830 by a decent amount as it runs better than 5850 close to 5870 (i was able to pick up a EVGA GTX 460 1gb for $200 after rebate) so not a lot of money for a decently good improvement

on a side note: still can't bring myself to justify why people love intel i7 so much more than phenom, i feel that unless you are willing to drop over $250 on cpu that phenom will be similar performance if not better at the same price range, and judging by how fast technology updates its unwise to drop soo much on cpu at once...


Ya i'd also recommend the 460 gtx 1gb over the 5830

One little annoyance to warn you about before you get it all and end up ****** off that you can't use the computer. You are buying a "bare drive" meaning it does not come with a SATA cable to connect it to the motherboard. Make sure you buy one or you'll be missing a 5 dollar part that stops a 900 dollar computer from working.

more like less than 1 dollar part :) pick up some screws too, when i got my new mobo and gtx 460 both parts didn't come with screws (it was the retail package, not refurb or anything)


Alright so today is the big day. And I'm just going to fallow the instructions on the forum and post before I buy.


-Rosewill 18" Serial ATA Black Flat Cable w/ Locking Later Support 6 Gbps, 3 Gbps, and 1.5 Gbps transfer rate Model RC-18"-SA2-90-BK (for the hard drive)

Link Depot 6 ft. HDMI TO HDMI A/V Cable Model HDMI-2-HDMI - OEM (I believe my dell st2210b can use hdmi and I heard it was a lot better quality....)

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

EVGA 01G-P3-1373-AR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) Superclocked EE 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support ( read a bad review...)
or
EVGA 01G-P3-1377-TR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) FTW 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card


G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL

Antec EarthWatts EA750 750W Continuous Power ATX12V version 2.3 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC ...

Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

AMD Phenom II X4 970 Black Edition Deneb 3.5GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Desktop Processor HDZ970FBGMBOX

ASUS M4A785TD-V EVO AM3 AMD 785G HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard

Suggestions, concerns, opinions. So I've been learning and reading about building computers and on and on. Just wondering, what is it like the first time you turn on the computer? What is the satisfaction level? Especially with your first computer. Also:What do you need to do? I read someone filled there ram up on accident(or something similar) because info wasn't being saved to the hard drive(or something) I'm very blonde when it comes to computers.


Parts list looks fine. You may be overspending on the CPU since you should be able to OC a 955 or 965 to nearly the same speed as the more expensive 970.

No offense, but I think you might want to go ahead and pay a place like ibuypower the extra $100 to pre-build that PC for you. I don't think you will have a positive experience if you try to put this thing together yourself.

You listed cables in your parts list and clearly don't know the difference between RAM and your HDD. You don't have an OS listed, and I am fairly certain you don't even know that an OS is required. You should probably have at least some basic PC knowledge before attempting to build a PC.

Edited, Oct 26th 2010 2:34pm by Enscheff
#1837 Oct 26 2010 at 12:40 PM Rating: Decent
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SoLostItsSad wrote:
kick53rv3 wrote:
haydyn323 wrote:
kick53rv3 wrote:
SoLostItsSad wrote:
So this is what I'm going to get 99.99% posotive. But I wanted to post here before I did so. All from newegg.

1
Sony Optiarc CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model AD-7261S-0B LightScribe Support - OEM
$18.99
2
Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
$87.99
3
XFX HD-583X-ZAFV Radeon HD 5830 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ Eyefinity
$189.99
4
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL
$84.99
5
Antec EarthWatts EA750 750W Continuous Power ATX12V version 2.3 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC ...
&
Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Both are $109.00 With a 25$ rebate
6
AMD Phenom II X4 970 Black Edition Deneb 3.5GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Desktop Processor HDZ970FBGMBOX
&
ASUS M4A785TD-V EVO AM3 AMD 785G HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
both of these are $262.98

+shipping,+taxes,+warranties= $878.51

I'll be trying to get a OS through other means.


looks like a slightly expensive build, especially looking at the CPU combo, I was able to pick up phenom 965 BE with an AM3 board free for 160 at microcenter, $100 less for the same cpu after OCing (assuming 365 and 370 should have very similar OC capacity)

also i see a lot of GTX 460 1gb dipping around $200, that should definitely out perform 5830 by a decent amount as it runs better than 5850 close to 5870 (i was able to pick up a EVGA GTX 460 1gb for $200 after rebate) so not a lot of money for a decently good improvement

on a side note: still can't bring myself to justify why people love intel i7 so much more than phenom, i feel that unless you are willing to drop over $250 on cpu that phenom will be similar performance if not better at the same price range, and judging by how fast technology updates its unwise to drop soo much on cpu at once...


Ya i'd also recommend the 460 gtx 1gb over the 5830

One little annoyance to warn you about before you get it all and end up ****** off that you can't use the computer. You are buying a "bare drive" meaning it does not come with a SATA cable to connect it to the motherboard. Make sure you buy one or you'll be missing a 5 dollar part that stops a 900 dollar computer from working.

more like less than 1 dollar part :) pick up some screws too, when i got my new mobo and gtx 460 both parts didn't come with screws (it was the retail package, not refurb or anything)


Alright so today is the big day. And I'm just going to fallow the instructions on the forum and post before I buy.


-Rosewill 18" Serial ATA Black Flat Cable w/ Locking Later Support 6 Gbps, 3 Gbps, and 1.5 Gbps transfer rate Model RC-18"-SA2-90-BK (for the hard drive)

Link Depot 6 ft. HDMI TO HDMI A/V Cable Model HDMI-2-HDMI - OEM (I believe my dell st2210b can use hdmi and I heard it was a lot better quality....)

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

EVGA 01G-P3-1373-AR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) Superclocked EE 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support ( read a bad review...)
or
EVGA 01G-P3-1377-TR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) FTW 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card


G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL

Antec EarthWatts EA750 750W Continuous Power ATX12V version 2.3 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC ...

Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

AMD Phenom II X4 970 Black Edition Deneb 3.5GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Desktop Processor HDZ970FBGMBOX

ASUS M4A785TD-V EVO AM3 AMD 785G HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard

Suggestions, concerns, opinions. So I've been learning and reading about building computers and on and on. Just wondering, what is it like the first time you turn on the computer? What is the satisfaction level? Especially with your first computer. Also:What do you need to do? I read someone filled there ram up on accident(or something similar) because info wasn't being saved to the hard drive(or something) I'm very blonde when it comes to computers.


looks like very nice choices, i personally have the evga gtx 460 superclocked, works fine on standard/high settings with AO off, get a stable 40+ fps in the field and dips to 20ish fps in towns and camps, similar cpu (i have the 965 compare to your 970, can't imagine too much improvement in that)

one more thing before you order: the evga gtx460 came with 2 dvi ports and 1 mini-hdmi port, the plug is different from the normal full size hdmi (i forgot if it came with a cable, at least im not able to find it anymore since i used dvi, prefer to have the sound coming out of the speakers than from the monitor) so your hdmi cable might not work or at least would need a mini hdmi converter to make it work... i haven't read up on too much of dvi vs hdmi and personally i don't see any difference between the two with my naked eye, maybe more picky people can tell you the different and where to look to spot the difference?
#1838 Oct 26 2010 at 12:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Parts list looks fine. You may be overspending on the CPU since you should be able to OC a 955 or 965 to nearly the same speed as the more expensive 970.

No offense, but I think you might want to go ahead and pay a place like ibuypower the extra $100 to pre-build that PC for you. I don't think you will have a positive experience if you try to put this thing together yourself.

You listed cables in your parts list and clearly don't know the difference between RAM and your HDD. You don't have an OS listed, and I am fairly certain you don't even know that an OS is required. You should probably have at least some basic PC knowledge before attempting to build a PC.

Edited, Oct 26th 2010 2:34pm by Enscheff


personally not a big fan of ibuypower, they seem to overcharge for a lot of the stuff, i put the pc i built into their site and it returned with like over $400 than what i paid for, another reason is some of us have a lot of recycleble parts like dvd drives and cases, no point of paying them for a new set when the old ones work fine

i don't think he listed cable for RAM, or anyone would list a cable for RAM lol, the OS is probably just use the recycled win7 or vista from his old pc

you know, building a pc is not rocket science (taken some of those courses before :p) and all you have to do is connect the right parts together, sure it takes some time to figure it all out but its doable, its not like we need to understand the DDR3 RAM control and sequencing to put it together (saw my EE friend do hw on that, very complicated stuff)
#1839 Oct 26 2010 at 3:58 PM Rating: Decent
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I will have to check into that thx for the info ;D
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#1840 Oct 26 2010 at 6:41 PM Rating: Decent
kick53rv3 wrote:
SoLostItsSad wrote:
kick53rv3 wrote:
haydyn323 wrote:
kick53rv3 wrote:
SoLostItsSad wrote:
So this is what I'm going to get 99.99% posotive. But I wanted to post here before I did so. All from newegg.

1
Sony Optiarc CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model AD-7261S-0B LightScribe Support - OEM
$18.99
2
Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
$87.99
3
XFX HD-583X-ZAFV Radeon HD 5830 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ Eyefinity
$189.99
4
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL
$84.99
5
Antec EarthWatts EA750 750W Continuous Power ATX12V version 2.3 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC ...
&
Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Both are $109.00 With a 25$ rebate
6
AMD Phenom II X4 970 Black Edition Deneb 3.5GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Desktop Processor HDZ970FBGMBOX
&
ASUS M4A785TD-V EVO AM3 AMD 785G HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
both of these are $262.98

+shipping,+taxes,+warranties= $878.51

I'll be trying to get a OS through other means.


looks like a slightly expensive build, especially looking at the CPU combo, I was able to pick up phenom 965 BE with an AM3 board free for 160 at microcenter, $100 less for the same cpu after OCing (assuming 365 and 370 should have very similar OC capacity)

also i see a lot of GTX 460 1gb dipping around $200, that should definitely out perform 5830 by a decent amount as it runs better than 5850 close to 5870 (i was able to pick up a EVGA GTX 460 1gb for $200 after rebate) so not a lot of money for a decently good improvement

on a side note: still can't bring myself to justify why people love intel i7 so much more than phenom, i feel that unless you are willing to drop over $250 on cpu that phenom will be similar performance if not better at the same price range, and judging by how fast technology updates its unwise to drop soo much on cpu at once...


Ya i'd also recommend the 460 gtx 1gb over the 5830

One little annoyance to warn you about before you get it all and end up ****** off that you can't use the computer. You are buying a "bare drive" meaning it does not come with a SATA cable to connect it to the motherboard. Make sure you buy one or you'll be missing a 5 dollar part that stops a 900 dollar computer from working.

more like less than 1 dollar part :) pick up some screws too, when i got my new mobo and gtx 460 both parts didn't come with screws (it was the retail package, not refurb or anything)


Alright so today is the big day. And I'm just going to fallow the instructions on the forum and post before I buy.


-Rosewill 18" Serial ATA Black Flat Cable w/ Locking Later Support 6 Gbps, 3 Gbps, and 1.5 Gbps transfer rate Model RC-18"-SA2-90-BK (for the hard drive)

Link Depot 6 ft. HDMI TO HDMI A/V Cable Model HDMI-2-HDMI - OEM (I believe my dell st2210b can use hdmi and I heard it was a lot better quality....)

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

EVGA 01G-P3-1373-AR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) Superclocked EE 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support ( read a bad review...)
or
EVGA 01G-P3-1377-TR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) FTW 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card


G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL

Antec EarthWatts EA750 750W Continuous Power ATX12V version 2.3 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC ...

Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

AMD Phenom II X4 970 Black Edition Deneb 3.5GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Desktop Processor HDZ970FBGMBOX

ASUS M4A785TD-V EVO AM3 AMD 785G HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard

Suggestions, concerns, opinions. So I've been learning and reading about building computers and on and on. Just wondering, what is it like the first time you turn on the computer? What is the satisfaction level? Especially with your first computer. Also:What do you need to do? I read someone filled there ram up on accident(or something similar) because info wasn't being saved to the hard drive(or something) I'm very blonde when it comes to computers.


looks like very nice choices, i personally have the evga gtx 460 superclocked, works fine on standard/high settings with AO off, get a stable 40+ fps in the field and dips to 20ish fps in towns and camps, similar cpu (i have the 965 compare to your 970, can't imagine too much improvement in that)

one more thing before you order: the evga gtx460 came with 2 dvi ports and 1 mini-hdmi port, the plug is different from the normal full size hdmi (i forgot if it came with a cable, at least im not able to find it anymore since i used dvi, prefer to have the sound coming out of the speakers than from the monitor) so your hdmi cable might not work or at least would need a mini hdmi converter to make it work... i haven't read up on too much of dvi vs hdmi and personally i don't see any difference between the two with my naked eye, maybe more picky people can tell you the different and where to look to spot the difference?



I am actually confused about "cable for ram" are you talking about Sata II v.s. Sata III? Because I know my hardrive is 3gb/s and the cable says it can support 3gb/s... and yeah OS is already taken care of. And no I'm not going to use linux. Sheesh...

So I need to find a cord that is male mini hdmi plug to a regular male hdmi plug? Will this mean the only noise I get will be coming out of the monitor? I was hoping to have monitor and speakers working with the noise levels.
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theres no cable for ram, it plugs straight into your motherboard... I wouldn't worry too much about the sata cable for the harddrive, they don't make or break a system, you can be running an ide drive and still play this game fine

as for the hdmi, you need a converter to change mini hdmi to regular, but seeing you want to use separate speaker why not just use a dvi cable, hdmi has sound dvi doesn't thats about it, to most untrained eyes the difference is negligible (or any at all)
#1842 Oct 27 2010 at 9:29 AM Rating: Decent
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theres no cable for ram, it plugs straight into your motherboard... I wouldn't worry too much about the sata cable for the harddrive, they don't make or break a system, you can be running an ide drive and still play this game fine

as for the hdmi, you need a converter to change mini hdmi to regular, but seeing you want to use separate speaker why not just use a dvi cable, hdmi has sound dvi doesn't thats about it, to most untrained eyes the difference is negligible (or any at all)



So I am now placing the order I would really like to make some thanks in advance:
SE and FFXIV for you I am making this darn computer.
Lamnethx for this great forum.
Mikhalia for responding to all my dumb pms.
kick53rv3 for all of the advice as you can see I took a lot of it.
haydyn323 for the extreme amount of info on motherboards. THANK YOU!
Threx for staying away from pos Dell
SoumaKyou information about Best Buy.

I already placed the order at newegg but I thought I would "Boast"

SATA II HD CABLE: Rosewill 18" Serial ATA Black Flat Cable w/ Locking Later Support 6 Gbps, 3 Gbps, and 1.5 Gbps transfer rate Model RC-18"-SA2-90-BK
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812119231
$2.49

HDMI CABLE: Nippon Labs Premium 3 ft. HDMI to mini HDMI cable with metal hood & gold-plated connectors Model MHDMI-3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812816073
$11.49

OPD: Sony Optiarc CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model AD-7261S-0B LightScribe Support - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118040
$19.99

HD: Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136284
$87.99

GPU: EVGA 01G-P3-1372-TR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) Superclocked 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video ...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130571 (i decided to get this one because it came with a warranty.)
$209.99

RAM: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBNQ
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231193 (****CHANGED this one said high performance and it was around the same price for the other. CHANGED****)
$74.99

PSU: Antec EarthWatts EA750 750W Continuous Power ATX12V version 2.3 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC ...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.514512
&
Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.514512
$129.94

OS: windows 7 home premium edition 64 bit: FREE!

AMD Phenom II X4 970 Black Edition Deneb 3.5GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Desktop Processor HDZ970FBGMBOX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.526567
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ASUS M4A785TD-V EVO AM3 AMD 785G HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.526567
$262.98

Subtotal: $799.86
$65.99- TAXES
$79.97- EXTENDED WARRANTIES
$17.21- SHIPPING

Grand Total: $963.03 ( its close I guess... I was aiming for $1,069.69)

Edited, Oct 27th 2010 11:51am by SoLostItsSad
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#1843 Oct 27 2010 at 11:10 AM Rating: Decent
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not sure if the OEM dvd drive comes with a sata cable so you might need to get another one of those... still think your cpu/mobo combo was a bit expensive especially considering that board probably won't be able to sli (not enough pci e2.0 slots)
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not sure if the OEM dvd drive comes with a sata cable so you might need to get another one of those... still think your cpu/mobo combo was a bit expensive especially considering that board probably won't be able to sli (not enough pci e2.0 slots)


His motherboard might come with a SATA cable, so if it does he should be fine. If not, he can run down to his local computer store and pick one up easily.

His motherboard won't be able to SLI/Crossfire, but not because of lack of slots. There are two PCIe slots, so he can indeed plug in two cards. However, he still won't be able to SLI/Crossfire anyway because the chipset doesn't support it.

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kick53rv3 wrote:
not sure if the OEM dvd drive comes with a sata cable so you might need to get another one of those... still think your cpu/mobo combo was a bit expensive especially considering that board probably won't be able to sli (not enough pci e2.0 slots)


His motherboard might come with a SATA cable, so if it does he should be fine. If not, he can run down to his local computer store and pick one up easily.

His motherboard won't be able to SLI/Crossfire, but not because of lack of slots. There are two PCIe slots, so he can indeed plug in two cards. However, he still won't be able to SLI/Crossfire anyway because the chipset doesn't support it.



i went to get a sata cable from bestbuy, they charged 20 bucks for a cable =.=

i guess i just don't see the reason for people to spend 50+ on a basic mobo
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i went to get a sata cable from bestbuy, they charged 20 bucks for a cable =.=


Your 1st mistake:
You went to Best Buy.

Your 2nd mistake:
You didn't walk out immediately.

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#1847 Oct 28 2010 at 1:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for the response. the I7 950 is leagues above the best CPU my motherboard could handle so I get the impression an upgrade would give me a negligable increase.

Shame really as I cant afford a new motherboard CPU

You could do well with a Q9550 or Q9650. They're currently pulling similar numbers to all of the i7 processors with the same GPU's, and are socket 775. They are somewhat expensive, though, but you could probably find a good used one out of an old PC on Ebay or your local PC shop for about half the price.

I actually wish I had gone out and bought a used one instead of shelling out the money to buy an i7 930 because the difference in performance between the two is negligible.



Yeah well even a q6600 would do if you you OC it a little. Mines running at 2.8 GHz

I get like 40-50 fps in the forest and like 20-40 fps in Gridania running with max settings including buffer set to double at 1920x1080 (so that's 3840x2160 ppl) no AO, no DOF. 3x Temporal AA.

My graphics cards are two Radeon HD 5770 1GBs and I have 8GB DDR2 RAM
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I just built my new computer yesterday for this game...

CPU: Intel i7 930 2.8GHz @ 2.65ghz (dunno why, Intel cpu scaled down by default??)
GPU: Nvidia GTX 470 1280mb
Memory: 2x3gb Corsair DDR3 1600 Triple Channel 8-8-8-24
Drive: 500gb Western Digital Caviar Black 7200rpm

I'm using Fraps to monitor and I'm only getting around 25FPS in game... also I still drop to around 15 FPS when I enter camp or towns and then it normalizes.

I'm not too impressed with how it's handling this game called FFXIV...
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running with max settings

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no AO, no DOF. 3x Temporal AA.



Please don't say you are running max settings when you're not running max settings.

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CPU: Intel i7 930 2.8GHz @ 2.65ghz (dunno why, Intel cpu scaled down by default??)
GPU: Nvidia GTX 470 1280mb

I'm using Fraps to monitor and I'm only getting around 25FPS in game... also I still drop to around 15 FPS when I enter camp or towns and then it normalizes.

I'm not too impressed with how it's handling this game called FFXIV...


Are you getting 25 fps even out on the fields where it isn't crowded? What's your game settings? Maybe tone it down a bit.
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CPU: Intel i7 930 2.8GHz @ 2.65ghz (dunno why, Intel cpu scaled down by default??)
GPU: Nvidia GTX 470 1280mb

I'm using Fraps to monitor and I'm only getting around 25FPS in game... also I still drop to around 15 FPS when I enter camp or towns and then it normalizes.

I'm not too impressed with how it's handling this game called FFXIV...


Are you getting 25 fps even out on the fields where it isn't crowded? What's your game settings? Maybe tone it down a bit.


Try setting it to:

"window size"--> (whatever the max native resolution of your monitor is, unless it's 2560x1600 which is too much for a single gtx 470 to handle in this game)

"multisampling"-->off
"buffer size"-->resolution
"shadow detail"-->highest
"ambient occlusion"-->off
"depth of field"-->off (I personally think this setting makes it look worse anyway)
leave "enable hardware mouse cursor" on, as with all games
"texture quality"-->high
"texture filtering"-->highest

If you get maxed out framerate like this, try upping to 2x multisampling and checking again. I play at the settings I just listed at 1920x1200 with 2x 9800GTX+ in SLI and get 20 fps in ultra busy areas of town, about 30-40 in fields with 4-5 people in them, and 45-60 when nobody but me is around. Your gtx 470 should be more powerful than both my cards combined, so you should get better than this.

My i7 does run at 3.06 GHz while playing FFXIV though, so that could be upping my framerate a bit over yours. One of these days I'll buy a better cooler and try to overclock to at least 3.5GHz, but I'm fairly broke at the moment.

Also, if your i7 is running at anything less than 2.933 GHz while in FFXIV, something is not right with your setup. A stock i7-930 should run all 8 threads at 2.8GHz under 100% load. As FFXIV only runs about 2-4 threads on average, your cpu should be running at a 1x multiplier (133MHz) higher clock speed while in the game, meaning at 2.933GHz. My stock 2.93 GHz runs the game at 3.06GHz with turboboost.

On a side note, unless you have forcibly turned off the setting, i7 900 series cpus will fluctuate their actual clock speed while they are in use. They may drop to as low as 1600 MHz when they don't need the extra speed and as high as 133MHz or 266MHz higher than their supposed max speed when turboboosted (2.93 and 3.06 GHz in your case). If your cpu is waiting on your graphics card for instructions, it will downclock itself to 2.66GHz for instance, as you said you saw occur. This means that your graphics card(most likely) or ram are likely bottlenecking your game when the cpu drops below 2.93GHz for you while in play.

If your cpu NEVER reaches 2.93GHz or even 2.8 GHz, make sure your motherboard bios is the newest up to date version. Also, in your bios settings make sure you have "turboboost" enabled. You can use this gadget http://blog.orbmu2k.de/sidebar-gadgets/intel-core-series-sidebar-gadget#more-95 to determine the speed your processor is actually running at any given time in Windows.

Edited, Oct 28th 2010 9:36am by haydyn323
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