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#152 Jul 07 2010 at 1:28 AM Rating: Decent
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Ahh, wasn't aware of that. Will swap that up and push the order button then. Wish me luck on first build.

On a side note, that's fairly cheap it seems if anyone cares to copy.
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#153 Jul 07 2010 at 1:37 AM Rating: Good
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Osarion, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM 99.99$

I believe they make you show some sort of credentials in order to buy this version. Other than that, your system looks fine enough to run the game pretty well.


You would be incorrect. All I have ever bought is OEM OSes and the only credential I've needed to show is a credit card to buy it.

The main points about OEM vs retail are:

1) They are only good for one computer (vs a retail which can be licensed for more than one)
2) They come with no Microsoft phone support; by installing an OEM OS, you (the person installing it) agrees to provide any and all software support for Windows on this system in place of Microsoft for the person using this system (be it you or someone else)


Edited, Jul 7th 2010 3:41am by Mikhalia
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#154 Jul 07 2010 at 1:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Curious if you're right(not saying you aren't) because being able to get the OEM as opposed to a retail would save 70 dollars, which is no small change.

What would I possibly encounter using it? Basically meaning would I need any additional steps to installing the software other than what it would do on its own.
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#155 Jul 07 2010 at 1:47 AM Rating: Good
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actually n/m. Seems all their OEM copies say that.

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#156 Jul 07 2010 at 2:27 AM Rating: Decent
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One more thing, what cables will I need to buy? Surely I'm not lucky enough for everything to come with required materials.
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#157 Jul 07 2010 at 2:37 AM Rating: Good
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HatedRegret wrote:
Curious if you're right(not saying you aren't) because being able to get the OEM as opposed to a retail would save 70 dollars, which is no small change.

What would I possibly encounter using it? Basically meaning would I need any additional steps to installing the software other than what it would do on its own.


OEM products behave exactly the same as retail products; you would not notice any difference between installing an OEM OS vs installing a retail OS. The two will have different product keys (which are not interchangeable; you cannot use an OEM key on a retail installation or vice versa).

The packaging is a little more minamalist for an OEM product. It's just a basic plastic DVD case with a cardboard enclosure with this printed on it word for word.

I prefer OEM software because it's less expensive and frankly, I don't really care that I can't call M$ for support. That's what google is for, if I really get in a bind.
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#158 Jul 07 2010 at 2:52 AM Rating: Good
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HatedRegret wrote:
One more thing, what cables will I need to buy? Surely I'm not lucky enough for everything to come with required materials.


Depends on what you have.

A retail motherboard will typically come with 1-2 IDE cables and 2-4 SATA cables.
A PSU will obviously come with all the cables it lists in its description (several 4 pin, 6 pin or 6+2 pin, a 4 pin CPU, and a 20+4 pin ATX, as well as a few SATA plugs). Usually it's all one mess of wires unless you're buying a modular PSU.
A HD, if it isn't an OEM HD, may come with a 4 pin molex to SATA converter (although your PSU should already have SATA connections, making this irrelevant). OEM HDs may or may not come with this cable.
A video card will usually come with a 4 pin molex to 6 or 6+2 pin PCI-E adapter, as well as typically including a DVI to VGA adapter and a crossfire or SLI bridge. Again, you likely won't need the power adapter since a newer PSU should already have 6 pin or 6+2 pin connections.
The case will have cables inside it already for power switch, reset switch, HD LED, power LED, possibly USB ports or audio if the case has them.

you almost certainly should not have to buy any extra cables; maybe if you want to connect your computer to your monitor via HDMI (instead of DVI or VGA, assuming the monitor supports HDMI) or something like that... but as far as the case itself goes, you should have all the parts you need.

As far as plugging things in to each other:

You will need to ***** the motherboard down to the case. Don't forget to use the standoffs (small metal screws with receptacles that hold the MB at about 1/4" off of the case itself) unless you want to risk frying your brand new motherboard as soon as you turn it on. The screws and standoffs either come with the motherboard or the case; I'm having a brain ****. Pretty sure it's the case. Could be wrong.

Motherboard and video card both physically snap in to the motherboard.

You will either need an IDE cable or a SATA cable (SATA is the current standard, older parts will use IDE) for your optical drive and to connect the HD and DVD to the motherboard. (Comes with motherboard)

If you're using a floppy drive, you'll need a cable for that too. (Usually comes with motherboard. May not.)

You will need to connect the CPU to the motherboard, and then put the heatsink/cooler on top (don't forget to take off the piece of plastic under it, unless you like the smell of burning plastic and the notion of possibly buying a new processor to replace your dead one.

You will need to connect the CPU heatsink fan to the motherboard (typically right next to or very close to the processor; it's a small 4 pin plug).

You will need to connect the power supply to the video card (6 pin), hard drive, DVD, motherboard (a 20+4 to the 24 pin on the motherboard and another 4 pin to the 4 pin spot), and any fans you may have in the case.

Make sure everything is screwed firmly into place, make sure all cables are secure, make sure the CPU cooler is firmly secured to the CPU, make sure there are no pieces of protective plastic that need to be peeled off of anything, make sure the switch on the back of the PSU says 110/120 if you're in the US; in other countries with different voltage, make sure it says 220 or whatnot instead by moving that switch over. Never ever try to turn it on with the switch on the wrong voltage "just to see what happens" unless you have the money to fix "what just happened".

Beyond that, you should be golden.

Edited, Jul 7th 2010 4:54am by Mikhalia
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It may be worth running to Radioshack and buying a grounding strap as well. Static electricity will build up as you move around, especially if working in a carpeted area, and one discharge onto the wrong spot of your equipment can damage it. The grounding strap should be less than $20 and will prevent static charges from forming.
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#160 Jul 07 2010 at 7:04 AM Rating: Good
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Inralkil wrote:
It may be worth running to Radioshack and buying a grounding strap as well. Static electricity will build up as you move around, especially if working in a carpeted area, and one discharge onto the wrong spot of your equipment can damage it. The grounding strap should be less than $20 and will prevent static charges from forming.


Speaking from personal experience:

Sit down. Touch a metal part on the case. Begin work.

If you have to get up, touch a metal part of the case before touching anything else.

I just do it habitually (touch metal before touching anything electronic) after all the years of being used to it. Don't even think about it anymore.

If you must stand, try to stand on linoleum/hardwood (not carpet) and wear shoes or nothing (socks + floor, especially carpet, is bad)

Edited, Jul 7th 2010 9:06am by Mikhalia
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Mikhalia wrote:
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It may be worth running to Radioshack and buying a grounding strap as well. Static electricity will build up as you move around, especially if working in a carpeted area, and one discharge onto the wrong spot of your equipment can damage it. The grounding strap should be less than $20 and will prevent static charges from forming.


Speaking from personal experience:

Sit down. Touch a metal part on the case. Begin work.

If you have to get up, touch a metal part of the case before touching anything else.

I just do it habitually (touch metal before touching anything electronic) after all the years of being used to it. Don't even think about it anymore.


When I Was in college taking this stuff oh so many years ago, best part of the computer to touch was the power supply, as it does have a ground. touch power supply, unplug power cable from back of pc, then take it apart.
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#162 Jul 07 2010 at 7:46 AM Rating: Decent
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if i were to get this... would i only need to get a better video card?

http://www.compusa.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6256262&CatId=332

MSI 785GM-P45 Motherboard, AMD Athlon II X4 635 Quad Core CPU,
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#163 Jul 07 2010 at 7:55 AM Rating: Good
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llasar wrote:
if i were to get this... would i only need to get a better video card?

http://www.compusa.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6256262&CatId=332

MSI 785GM-P45 Motherboard, AMD Athlon II X4 635 Quad Core CPU,
ATI Radeon HD 5450 1GB, Cooler Master Elite 310 Mid-Tower Case,
350 Watt Power Supply


Processor looks okay. That video card might manage on low, but yes, I would advise upgrading it.

Also, in case you didn't know (or if you did know, in case anyone else didn't know) "Barebones system" means that it has no OS, so you will need to purchase one.

EDIT: it's apparently also missing a hard drive, optical drive, and RAM. And the Power supply is way on the low side. You're getting a motherboard, processor, low end video card, low end CPU (only 350W, I suggest at least 550-600), and a case.

If you bought that combo, you'd have to replace the PSU and video... so all you're really getting is a case, motehrboard, and processor. And you can pick up the same or better CPU/MB/case for under $349 easy. That specific processor is about $99, plus spend about $80 on a MB and $50 on a case, that's $230 and you're not getting a PSU and GPU you won't use.

Edited, Jul 7th 2010 10:01am by Mikhalia
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#164 Jul 07 2010 at 8:02 AM Rating: Decent
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If you are a student with an .edu email address and enrolled in at least .5 credit course, you can purchase Windows 7 Professional Upgrade for $29.99.

Microsoft Windows 7 Professional Upgrade - http://www.microsoft.com/student/office/en-us/default.aspx (lower right of the page)

To upgrade to Windows 7 you will need to provide a CD during the installation. Someone who has done an upgrade lately can clarify this. I have not done an upgrade in a long time, but in the past I would just need to put in the full version of a previous OS into the CD/DVD-Rom and then the setup would verify and ask you to put in the upgrade disc of the new OS. I believe there are ways around this, but I do not have a guide with me right now.


From Microsoft's website regarding Windows 7 Upgrades.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd772579%28WS.10%29.aspx

Unsupported Upgrade Scenarios


* Upgrades to Windows 7 from the following operating systems are not supported:

o Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows Millennium Edition, Windows XP, Windows Vista® RTM, Windows Vista Starter, Windows 7 M3, Windows 7 Beta, Windows 7 RC, or Windows 7 IDS

o Windows NT® Server 4.0, Windows 2000 Server, Windows Server® 2003, Windows Server 2008, or Windows Server 2008 R2

* Cross-architecture in-place upgrades (for example, x86 to x64) are not supported.

* Cross-language in-place upgrades (for example, en-us to de-de) are not supported.

* Cross-SKU upgrades (for example, Windows 7 N to Windows 7 K) are not supported.

* Upgrades from Windows Vista to Windows N, Windows K, Windows KN, or Windows E are not supported.

* Cross-build type in-place upgrades (for example, fre to chk) are not supported.

* Pre-release in-place upgrades across milestones (for example, Windows 7 RC to Windows 7 RTM) are not supported.

Supported Upgrades

From Windows Vista (SP1, SP2)Business - Upgrade to Windows 7 Professional, Enterprise, Ultimate

From Windows Vista (SP1, SP2)Enterprise - Upgrade to Windows 7 Enterprise

From Windows Vista (SP1, SP2)Home Basic - Upgrade to Windows 7 Home Basic, Home Premium, Ultimate

From Windows Vista (SP1, SP2)Home Premium - Upgrade to Windows 7 Home Premium, Ultimate

From Windows Vista (SP1, SP2)Ultimate - Upgrade to Windows 7 Ultimate


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#166 Jul 07 2010 at 9:19 AM Rating: Good
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Static electricity will build up as you move around, especially if working in a carpeted area, and one discharge onto the wrong spot of your equipment can damage it.


Or just take your clothes off :3

#167 Jul 07 2010 at 9:21 AM Rating: Good
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Static electricity will build up as you move around, especially if working in a carpeted area, and one discharge onto the wrong spot of your equipment can damage it.


Or just take your clothes off :3



I tried that once...got a little too close to a spinning fan and almost wound up Jewish.
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Looking on a little guidance between i5 750 and i7 930.

Ups the cost of my build by about $200-$250 or so depending on the mother board I grab. Any tips or advice?
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The One and Only Aurelius wrote:
Lamnethx of the Seven Seas wrote:
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Static electricity will build up as you move around, especially if working in a carpeted area, and one discharge onto the wrong spot of your equipment can damage it.


Or just take your clothes off :3



I tried that once...got a little too close to a spinning fan and almost wound up Jewish.


Zing. Or rather, almost zing.

mpmaley wrote:
Looking on a little guidance between i5 750 and i7 930.

Ups the cost of my build by about $200-$250 or so depending on the mother board I grab. Any tips or advice?


i7 is far more expensive, and far better. If you can't afford an i7, then i5 should be okay, but if you have the money for an i7 then by all means, go for it. They're pretty much the best processors on the market currently. They're also pretty much the most expensive. You get what you pay for. :)
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I've seen a lot of iffy reviews on newegg for mobos on the i7. Do you use one by chance or have a recommendation?

I'm going to be building this over the next month. Bought my case and PSU (could do i7 or i5) last night b/c both had $20 mail in rebates attached to them.

Waiting for the GTX460 to come out to see its price.

And then just waiting on stuff (ram/monitor/etc) to hope to catch them on sale or a mail in rebate.

Edited, Jul 7th 2010 11:33am by mpmaley
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mpmaley wrote:
I've seen a lot of iffy reviews on newegg for mobos on the i7. Do you use one by chance or have a recommendation?

I'm going to be building this over the next month. Bought my case and PSU (could do i7 or i5) last night b/c both had $20 mail in rebates attached to them.

Waiting for the GTX460 to come out to see its price.

And then just waiting on stuff (ram/monitor/etc) to hope to catch them on sale or a mail in rebate.

Edited, Jul 7th 2010 11:33am by mpmaley


I don't have, one, but Aurelius does. He could probably help you more with specifics on i7s.
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A question about choosing PC specs.

I've been playing about with one of them "build your own custom pc" type sites. And using the Graphic Card benchmark chart and CPU benchmark chart previous posted on the thread to advise me how good a thing is.

I have made a few different set ups that are around my target price.
Each one would have 4gb RAM. But the important bits are the CPU and GPU right?

So my question is about where to put more focus, the CPU or GPU?

Examples:
AMD Phenom II X6 1055T with a Radeon 5830. (with the focus on better CPU).
Or,
AMD Athlon II X4 630 with a GeForce GTX 470.(with the focus on better GPU).

Which would be best for FFXIV in particular?

Thanks for all the helpful info on here. I've learnt a lot in the last few days about graphics cards and CPU's I never knew before.

Just one more question?

I've noticed that with simularly spec'd CPU choices(on paper)the Intel one is usually more expensive than the AMD one. Are Intel generally the better choice or is it that your just paying for the name or something?


Thanks.
#173 Jul 07 2010 at 10:06 AM Rating: Good
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Examples:
AMD Phenom II X6 1055T with a Radeon 5830. (with the focus on better CPU).
Or,
AMD Athlon II X4 630 with a GeForce GTX 470.(with the focus on better GPU).

Which would be best for FFXIV in particular?



From the benchmark, it seems that FFXIV will be much more taxing on video cards.
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On the subject of Windows 7, would anyone be so kind as to list the different versions and explain the basic differences (don't need to go into detail)? I've been using XP forever and, admittedly, know zero about Win7. If I use my PC only for browsing the internet, downloading stuff, and playing games, which version should I get?


And on a side note/rant: The Phenom II x4 965 and GTX 260 aren't available in this country. T.T Guess I'll have to settle for the i5 750 and HD 5770...
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Examples:
AMD Phenom II X6 1055T with a Radeon 5830. (with the focus on better CPU).
Or,
AMD Athlon II X4 630 with a GeForce GTX 470.(with the focus on better GPU).

Which would be best for FFXIV in particular?

Thanks for all the helpful info on here. I've learnt a lot in the last few days about graphics cards and CPU's I never knew before.


Both Phenom II x6 CPUs score lower-than-expected results in the benchmark. The reason is still unknown, and it is also unknown how well they do in the actual game itself. At this point in time, they aren't worth it.


Edit -

Compare:


 
HIGH	LOW 	VGA 			OS 		CPU 		   		RAM 
4286 	6660 	Radeon HD5850OC 	win7(32bit) 	core i5 750 @ 3.67GHz   	4.00GB 
4155 	5259 	Radeon HD5850 TOXIC 1G 	win7(32bit) 	Intel core i5 750 @2.67 	4.00GB 
3811 	未試験 	Radeon HD5850 		win7(64bit) 	Phenom2 X6 1055T 		4.00GB



 
Low 	High	OS	Processor			GPU		RAM 
 
	3743	7x64	Phenom x6 1090T			GF GTX 480	4 GB DDR3 
5154	4064	7x64	Core i5 750 – 2.67		ATI 5850	4 GB DDR3  


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#176 Jul 07 2010 at 10:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Mikhalia, I love you for that nice explanation. I likely will get the strap as most of my house is a melting pot of super conductive carpet. I went ahead and bought a container of arctic silver thermal mainly because so many people swear by it. Glad to hear I don't (likely) need to buy any additional wires. Thank you.

P.S. lol at doing it nekkid. Think my kids might look at me a bit strange while bent over into my case bwahahaha.

Edited, Jul 7th 2010 12:26pm by HatedRegret
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#177 Jul 07 2010 at 10:56 AM Rating: Decent
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From the benchmark, it seems that FFXIV will be much more taxing on video cards.


JW, what's your rationale on this. Elsewhere I read that the benchmark was very buggy giving out all kinds of different readings.

I'd really like to know b/c this is one of the issues with me in i5 vs i7. FFXIV will be the most demanding program for my computer for years, easily. I'm just worried that if I go i5 I'll regret it, is this a silly/stupid thought?

Edited, Jul 7th 2010 1:07pm by mpmaley
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On the subject of Windows 7, would anyone be so kind as to list the different versions and explain the basic differences (don't need to go into detail)? I've been using XP forever and, admittedly, know zero about Win7. If I use my PC only for browsing the internet, downloading stuff, and playing games, which version should I get?


And on a side note/rant: The Phenom II x4 965 and GTX 260 aren't available in this country. T.T Guess I'll have to settle for the i5 750 and HD 5770...


I know I -just- explained it in one of the fifteen thousand computer threads, let's see...

(2 mins later)

****, I know I posted it....

(3 more mins)

FOUND IT!

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If you already have an OS, even if it is OEM, you can usually make it work on a new system. I will, however, say that you're right about the Windows 7 part. OEM Windows 7 Home Premium is $94; that's the cheapest you're going to find an OS. I would very very strongly advise against starter/basic. Get at least home premium (I personally prefer pro and some prefer ultimate though).



What is the difference between all the versions, anyway? I stopped keeping track with XP Pro/Home.


Off the top of my head...

Starter is only available in 32-bit.

Home Basic only supports 8 GB RAM Max (in 64-bit; all 32-bit versions are 4 GB max). It does not support Aero, Windows Media Center, or a number of other things.

Home Premium adds in full Aero and WMC support.

Professional adds EFS, Group Policies, ability to join domains, network backups, and the ability to host RDC (Home versions can only be RDC clients), as well as advanced file sharing and security options (Administrative shares, better user and group management, etc). It also has a Windows XP virtual machine option.

Ultimate adds Applocker, Bitlocker, multilanguage support, and some added terminal features (like Aero and audio over terminal services). Admittedly I don't know what Applocker or Bitlocker are, I just know that Ultimate has them.

Enterprise is pretty much the same as Ultimate, with some minor differences (like games disabled by default, same as Pro) that make it more "Business oriented".

I swear by XP Pro and 7 Pro; I can't live without the sharing and security options and I like all of my systems on my home network (5 computers total) to be able to RDC into. I can use logmein from anywhere, but RDC is much nicer if I can use that instead. Sharing from a Pro system to a Pro system and setting up network drives seems to play much more nicely for me than home versions, but for your average user who has no idea what the **** I just said, Home Premium would be my recommended OS.


Differences between XP vs 7, new features mostly. Aero is pretty spiffy, desktop view is nice and I like the new toolbar as well. Windows 7 looks better than vista and performs better than XP. I had put off and put off and put off upgrading to 7 because I was happy with XP but I don't regret my decision to upgrade in the least.
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#179 Jul 07 2010 at 11:03 AM Rating: Good
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Mikhalia, I love you for that nice explanation. I likely will get the strap as most of my house is a melting pot of super conductive carpet. I went ahead and bought a container of arctic silver thermal mainly because so many people swear by it. Glad to hear I don't (likely) need to buy any additional wires. Thank you.

P.S. lol at doing it nekkid. Think my kids might look at me a bit strange while bent over into my case bwahahaha.

Edited, Jul 7th 2010 12:26pm by HatedRegret


You laugh. I don't have kids yet. I've built my last two systems in my unmentionables. Only pain in the *** is that my hair goes down to about the bottom of my shoulderblades so I have to tie it back or it will keep falling in front of me and get in the way. Other than that, I've never saw a system build as a reason to get dressed. Even when I take pics, the pics are of the system, not me.

Extra thermal compound is really only needed if you're overclocking, but it doesn't hurt to have it even if you don't need it. Arctic Silver is a good brand.

Just remember: When plugging things in, if it doesn't seem like it's going to fit, it probably doesn't go there. The two notable exceptions are that sometimes 4 pin fans can be a ***** to plug in, and some processor heatsinks require you to really put a lot of *** into them. Some snap into place, others you'll feel like you're gonna break the **** thing before it finally snaps in properly. For the most part though, as long as you don't try jamming round pegs in square holes, you should be golden.

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#180 Jul 07 2010 at 11:06 AM Rating: Good
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JW, what's your rationale on this. Elsewhere I read that the benchmark was very buggy giving out all kinds of different readings.


That was just my impression from looking over lots of people's results here and there. Also with the way the hardware market looks right now, I would think as long as they have a decently balanced system, they would get more bang for their buck dropping an extra $100 on a video card versus a processor.

However, you are right, I don't really have any 'hard' evidence, so I'll try and gather together what I've been seeing into something more valid and easy to read.
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That would be greatly appreciated, for the reason given above and the reason you stated.

If I can drop an extra $100 on a video card vs. $250 for processor/mobo I would like to. :)
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I am thinking about new PC. But wanted to see how well you thought my wife's PC will run the game first.
• AMD Phenom(TM) II X6 1090T six-core processor [3.2GHz, 3MB L2 + 6MB L3 shared, up to 4000MHz]
• 8GB DDR3-1333MHz SDRAM [4 DIMMs]
• 1.5TB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
• 1GB ATI Radeon HD 5770 [dual-link DVI, HDMI, DP, VGA adapter]

She just bought it a few days ago, it's not here yet for me to try the benchmark. I am thinking about a similar set up only with the i5 chip. What do you experts think?

Thanks
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I know I -just- explained it in one of the fifteen thousand computer threads, let's see...

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@#%^, I know I posted it....

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FOUND IT!


Thanks for taking your time. :)


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for your average user who has no idea what the **** I just said, Home Premium would be my recommended OS.


Home Premium it is. :)
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#184 Jul 07 2010 at 11:33 AM Rating: Good
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xxRonxx wrote:
I am thinking about new PC. But wanted to see how well you thought my wife's PC will run the game first.
• AMD Phenom(TM) II X6 1090T six-core processor [3.2GHz, 3MB L2 + 6MB L3 shared, up to 4000MHz]
• 8GB DDR3-1333MHz SDRAM [4 DIMMs]
• 1.5TB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
• 1GB ATI Radeon HD 5770 [dual-link DVI, HDMI, DP, VGA adapter]

She just bought it a few days ago, it's not here yet for me to try the benchmark. I am thinking about a similar set up only with the i5 chip. What do you experts think?

Thanks


Your benchmark score should be in the 4000-4750 range. Probably no more than 5000 but definitely no lower than 4000.

EDIT: Also, some stats posted yesterday indicate that the i5 quad outperforms the Phenom II X6 on FFXIV's benchmark. Scroll up a bit for specific data.

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Okay, so I posted once in another thread generally about questions, but this was before the release date and official system requirement announcements, and I'd like to into a few more specifics too... The vital parts of the system I'm running right now are:

Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
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ATI Radeon HD4890

After going through this thread and doing some research, along with the advice someone gave before, I know I'll be fine for now with the 4890 GPU, and of course Windows 7. However, I do know I should upgrade my CPU and RAM. While the benchmark did run and score ~1900 on low with this setup making FFXIV at least playable, I hate being bottlenecked by a component or two, and would like to upgrade to get somewhat better performance.

Budget isn't a huge issue, but I can't go too overboard. I'm looking mostly at something like this:

ASUS P7P55-M Core I7 / I5 1156 Mainboard
i7 875K CPU

The 875K seems to perform relatively high on Passmark, and I could upgrade with that combo for about $400 from 3btech. I'd also need to get compatible RAM, probably 4GB to start, for $100-150, and maybe a new HD as well for space, though that's not a necessity with the system. If I decide the $500 or so is a decent budget, that seems a good deal to me, no?

Otherwise, my current mobo with the LGA775 socket my e4300 is in does support Core 2 Quad processors, so I could possibly at least get the quad advantage while keeping my same mobo. However, to get a decent-scoring Core 2 Quad it seems I'd be up in the $200-300 range anyway from what I can tell, and I'd still have to upgrade to 2GB RAM sticks to get 4GB, which is pretty much the least I'd want for the game. Another alternative would be one of the other CPU combos suggested in this thread for ~$200, such as one of the AMD builds. Then again, I'd probably still need the RAM... And I also don't really like being too cheap if I don't have to.

I'm not completely knowledgeable on motherboards and such except for what's given as specs on the merchant sites and some reviews I've read, and although $80 for that Asus one at 3btech seems low, I don't see anything necessarily negative about it (plus I like that it has a legacy PCI slot and IDE connector to use with my older components for the time being). But like I said, I'm not completely fluent in these technologies. :)
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What about this build?

Motherboard AMD 880G
AMD Phenom II X6 1055T(2.8GHz)
4GB (2GB x 2) DDR3 1333
ATI Radeon HD5830 1GB
PSU 700W
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

Or most precisely - - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227268





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There is also that one which seems good

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229137
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Both are good builds, but the X4 rig will likely run the game better due to a stronger video card. I would make the argument that the first rig is stronger going forward, with the capability of SLI and a stronger processor. In both cases the RAM speed is a touch low.

If you absolutely don't feel comfortable doing the assembly yourself, or have a competent friend that will do it for a few beers, the prices on both of them are very reasonable.
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Really appreciate the guide, but I have a problem. Every PC building guide I've ever read always neglects to include one thing in the price of their builds: the OS. Chances are, if a person is upgrading from a low-end PC, they don't own a copy of Windows that can be installed on another PC. Most pre-built bargain PCs (eMachines, Dell, HP, etc.) only have a Windows license for that particular PC, and you don't get an installation disk to install the OS on a new mobo, just a "Recovery partition" or disk to reinstall the OS on that particular machine to its factory-default state.

If you're building a PC from scratch for the first time, then you also most likely don't have a Windows OS disk and license. Buying your own copy of Windows is a big ($200 standard retail price for a full installation disk) chunk of the budget that needs to be accounted for.

Why is it that I never see this mentioned in any PC building guide? Do people just assume that everyone owns a copy of Windows that can be installed freely on new/multiple systems? Is there some secret I'm unaware of where you buy your individual mobo/CPU, harddrive, graphics card, case, etc., and Windows is magically installed and licensed to you? Windows isn't free, but you'd think it was given that every PC-building guide on the internet doesn't mention it. This is one of the biggest hurdles for me; for the cost of a new mobo with a good CPU, RAM, case, drives, GPU, AND a Windows 7 disk/license I might as well just buy a bargain PC with the CPU I want and simply upgrade the graphics card at a much lower price.

Edit: Just saw what people were saying about purchasing an OEM license above. Still, at $100, that's something that needs to be accounted for when building a new PC. I think it would be really useful to include a section regarding the OS in the guide; retail vs. OEM vs. upgrade, how one goes about purchasing/installing an OS on a system you're building from scratch, etc.

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#190 Jul 08 2010 at 1:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Edit: Just saw what people were saying about purchasing an OEM license above. Still, at $100, that's something that needs to be accounted for when building a new PC. I think it would be really useful to include a section regarding the OS in the guide; retail vs. OEM vs. upgrade, how one goes about purchasing/installing an OS on a system you're building from scratch, etc.


I think that as far as this goes, if people are needing a blurb in a guide on how to install an OS on a new build, that guide would outstrip the context of this forum. We're already blurring the lines between a front page covered in OT posts better suited to the tech forums here and in a sense it's justifiable, but right now we've got dozens of people using the ZAM XIV forums as their primary source of information on how to build a PC suited to running the game. In my personal opinion, it's out of control and should probably be brought to a screeching halt. Poor Mikhalia has been answering all kinds of questions on a daily basis and it's like nobody is reading anything. They're just looking for a clean spot to inject their own questions/ask for feedback on their own planned builds and they're not learning a **** thing. There's not a single question related to what would constitute an adequate build for XIV that hasn't been answered here numerous times already.

Please people, stop posting questions. Read the information that has been given here. You'll walk away with more than enough information to make an informed decision. There are no fewer than three threads here started by people trying to help by posting information and it's being almost unilaterally ignored. Have enough respect for your fellow posters to step up to the plate and take responsibility for your own learning.
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Apparently NewEgg doesn't ship out of the country. : (

Anyone know a reliable site that ships to countries in Asia?
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#192 Jul 08 2010 at 11:03 AM Rating: Good
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Apparently NewEgg doesn't ship out of the country. : (

Anyone know a reliable site that ships to countries in Asia?


I can't comment on the out of country shipping, but I've purchased a few hardware components from Amazon before, and never had a problem.
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Gatero wrote:

Why is it that I never see this mentioned in any PC building guide? Do people just assume that everyone owns a copy of Windows that can be installed freely on new/multiple systems? Is there some secret I'm unaware of where you buy your individual mobo/CPU, harddrive, graphics card, case, etc., and Windows is magically installed and licensed to you? Windows isn't free, but you'd think it was given that every PC-building guide on the internet doesn't mention it.


To be fair I think a lot of people ignore the whole "may be only installed on one computer simultaneously" clause. You only need to buy it once if you want to be legit about it don't you? Then use it again on any future replacement computers.

Edited, Jul 8th 2010 1:24pm by Dizmo
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I can't comment on the out of country shipping, but I've purchased a few hardware components from Amazon before, and never had a problem.


Either Amazon can't ship to my country or there is something wrong with my address, but no matter how I try to modify my address it still won't go through:

"We're sorry. This item can't be shipped to your selected destination. You may either change the shipping address or delete the item from your order by changing its quantity to 0 and clicking the update button below."
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Lamnethx of the Seven Seas wrote:
I can't comment on the out of country shipping, but I've purchased a few hardware components from Amazon before, and never had a problem.


Either Amazon can't ship to my country or there is something wrong with my address, but no matter how I try to modify my address it still won't go through:

"We're sorry. This item can't be shipped to your selected destination. You may either change the shipping address or delete the item from your order by changing its quantity to 0 and clicking the update button below."


Which country is that, if you don't mind my asking?
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#196 Jul 08 2010 at 12:52 PM Rating: Good
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Lamnethx of the Seven Seas wrote:
I can't comment on the out of country shipping, but I've purchased a few hardware components from Amazon before, and never had a problem.


Either Amazon can't ship to my country or there is something wrong with my address, but no matter how I try to modify my address it still won't go through:

"We're sorry. This item can't be shipped to your selected destination. You may either change the shipping address or delete the item from your order by changing its quantity to 0 and clicking the update button below."



Hehe, you don't happen to live in Cuba, do you?
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Your CPU will be fine. Your GPU will need an upgrade in order to play with a decent FPS.

We really need to sticky Mikhalia's post Smiley: tongue
- Thanks for the advice and I second that! Come on people lets vote for sticky!

Anyway, I upgraded my video card to radeon 5770 and I have to say I'm very satisfy with it's performance.
Now my benchmark score around 3500 on low and 2600 on high. Even though it doesn't reach mid or high score, the fps was running very smoothly on both high and low setting and I'm confidence it will be good enough.

Now I have a machine that I can count on to play this game, which used to be my back up plan. My original plan was to use my macbook pro. But after getting 1200 on low and 700 on high in benchmark, I lost some hope. Anyway, thanks to you guys I was able to solve this problem.

I thank you all here for the information and I hope I see you guys in the game! 9-22-2010 weeee =D
#198 Jul 08 2010 at 1:26 PM Rating: Good
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Found this with ease for those interested in having a general sense of how your processor stacks up. It's not recommanded to scale up for the performance/cost ratio unless you're moving up at least 3 tiers.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu,2599-7.html

I'll definitely look into the i7 next year when they're not quite as expensive, but until then my 4th tier q8200 will have to make do. If my MB wasn't locked (Gateway sucks by the way, period), then I'd at least look into light/moderate OC with heavy assistance from guides, but I'll just have to make due until I get a new MB/CPU or finally make the leap and build from scratch.

Again, thanks so much for everything that was discussed in these 4 pages. A good amount of it was new knowledge for myself. Some items I learned through the questions and answers of others, some was information meant directly for me. In addition, I now have that video card heirarchy chart book marked; it's very useful already.
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Which country is that, if you don't mind my asking?


Not at all. Thailand. :)

Osarion, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Hehe, you don't happen to live in Cuba, do you?


Last I heard, Cuba wasn't in Asia. ;)
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Anyway, I upgraded my video card to radeon 5770 and I have to say I'm very satisfy with it's performance.
Now my benchmark score around 3500 on low and 2600 on high.

I thank you all here for the information and I hope I see you guys in the game! 9-22-2010 weeee =D


Grats!

What CPU are you using, btw?
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Hello again,

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Your CPU will be fine. Your GPU will need an upgrade in order to play with a decent FPS.

We really need to sticky Mikhalia's post Smiley: tongue
- Thanks for the advice and I second that! Come on people lets vote for sticky!


I love my thread, but seeing as how the OP of this thread links it, I would ask you to vote the thread you're posting in now for Sticky. Lamnethx's OP is far more detailed than mine in my thread.

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Found this with ease for those interested in having a general sense of how your processor stacks up. It's not recommanded to scale up for the performance/cost ratio unless you're moving up at least 3 tiers.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu,2599-7.html


Awesome find; Rate up, and I'm going to add it to my OP.
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