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#2002 Jan 25 2011 at 4:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Okay thanks for the great help! I really appreciate it!
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VitaminD2112 wrote:
Okay thanks for the great help! I really appreciate it!

Np. I also forgot to mention that you should probably get a 750W or 850W PSU to be on the safe side. I'm unsure if a 650W is enough to power that hardware, but I also know that a 1000W would be overkill, especially with Corsair (their PSU's are underrated).
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VitaminD2112 wrote:
Hey there! I'm looking forward to configuring a gaming PC from geekbox.com. The process is easy but I'm a bit of an amateur when it comes to choosing parts. Obviously the more expensive parts the better, but I just wanna get what is good enough to run FF14 smoothly. I'll post the options in the bottom that I need help with.


Power Supply:
-Corsair 650 Watt TX Power Supply

Processor (CPU):
-Intel Core i7-875K Lynnfield 2.93GHz LGA 1156 Quad-Core Unlocked Processor

Memory (RAM):
-8 GB (4x2GB) G.Skill PC3 12800 7-8-7-24

Video Card:
-Nvidia Based EVGA GeForce GTX 580 1536 MB (Fermi)

Optical Drive:
-Whatever you think you'll need.

Sound Card:
-Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Champion Series 7.1 Channel

Network Interface Card: Not necessary. Motherboards come with it.

Internal HD:
-Western Digital 240 GB Solid State Drive (ESATA/USB2.0)
-Western Digital 1 TB Hard Drive (ESATA/USB2.0)

Also, are multiple hard drives and and optical drives necessary? Thank you again for your help!
-It's necessary if you want peak gaming performance. You generally don't want your games on the
same drive as all the junk you download/install. It bogs down your gaming and load times. If you
can afford it, you should get a Solid State Drive (SSD). They're the fastest, and you could make
it strictly for system files and games, while another 1 or 2 TB HDD stores the rest of your files.


Edited, Jan 25th 2011 5:04pm by SoumaKyou


Oh one last question if I may, how many hard drives and optical drives are good enough? It gives me up to 3
#2005 Jan 25 2011 at 4:35 PM Rating: Decent
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And thank you again in advance! lol
#2006 Jan 25 2011 at 5:14 PM Rating: Decent
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VitaminD2112 wrote:
Oh one last question if I may, how many hard drives and optical drives are good enough? It gives me up to 3

One optical drive is usually enough. Some people like having two. If you choose to have two, I'd recommend one DVD-RW drive and one for Blu-Ray.

For hard drives, it depends what's important to you.

For peak gaming performance: 1 SSD (Solid State Drive), 1 high capacity HDD
For gaming-centered systems: 1 high-speed HDD, 1 high capacity HDD
For every day use and nothing specific performance-wise: 1 high capacity HDD

You'd use the smaller, faster SSD/HDD for system files and games, and the high capacity to store files and other programs.
#2007 Jan 25 2011 at 5:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Yet another person here looking to build an FFXIV capable computer. I'm trying to keep the price under $600 though I can go over a little if necessary. All I want is to be able to run FFXIV comfortably on standard settings. Here are (some of) the parts I've picked out at Newegg:

Motherboard: ASUS M4A88T-M/USB3 AM3 AMD 880G USB 3.0 HDMI Micro ATX AMD
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 925 Deneb 2.8GHz Socket AM3 95W
RAM: WINTEC AMPX 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit
Video: SAPPHIRE 100283-3L Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support
PSU: Antec EarthWatts EA-500D Green 500W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC

I'm fairly sure everything is compatible. I'm mostly concerned about balance. In fact, I'd rather trim down if possible, but I'm okay adding a little price on if a slightly more expensive product would add more bang for my buck.
#2008 Jan 25 2011 at 5:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Marlone wrote:
Yet another person here looking to build an FFXIV capable computer. I'm trying to keep the price under $600 though I can go over a little if necessary. All I want is to be able to run FFXIV comfortably on standard settings. Here are (some of) the parts I've picked out at Newegg:

Motherboard: ASUS M4A88T-M/USB3 AM3 AMD 880G USB 3.0 HDMI Micro ATX AMD
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 925 Deneb 2.8GHz Socket AM3 95W
RAM: WINTEC AMPX 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit
Video: SAPPHIRE 100283-3L Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support
PSU: Antec EarthWatts EA-500D Green 500W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC

I'm fairly sure everything is compatible. I'm mostly concerned about balance. In fact, I'd rather trim down if possible, but I'm okay adding a little price on if a slightly more expensive product would add more bang for my buck.

That setup looks perfectly fine if you're planning to run the game on Standard. You could change that 5770 to a GTX 460 for a considerable performance gain at a minimal price increase.
#2009 Jan 25 2011 at 6:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Thank you for the quick reply! I think I'm going to take your advice. Seems like it'll be worth my extra money. :D
#2010 Jan 25 2011 at 9:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Processor (CPU):
-Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz LGA 1156 Quad-Core Processor
-Intel Core i7-860 Lynnfield 2.8GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor
-Intel Core i7-875K Lynnfield 2.93GHz LGA 1156 Quad-Core Unlocked Processor
I'd really recommend looking for a Sandy Bridge processor, the i7-2600K is a beast of a processor that runs just shy of the i7-980X but on less power and for a 3rd of the price.
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#2011 Jan 26 2011 at 3:05 AM Rating: Decent
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personally looking at the spec your throwing some money at this so id look at sandy bridge which is considerably faster than i5/i7 1156.

what resolution are you looking to play at ? if its 1920x1080 or less then the 580GTX is massive overkill and a 560Ti (brand new yesterday) or maybe a 570GTX would be perfectly fine for a lot less money if gaming is your thing then i would look higher than a 460GTX unless your budget is somewhat tight

Is the soundcard needed ? unless you have some decent speakers onboard HD audio will be fine.


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personally looking at the spec your throwing some money at this so id look at sandy bridge which is considerably faster than i5/i7 1156.

what resolution are you looking to play at ? if its 1920x1080 or less then the 580GTX is massive overkill and a 560Ti (brand new yesterday) or maybe a 570GTX would be perfectly fine for a lot less money if gaming is your thing then i would look higher than a 460GTX unless your budget is somewhat tight

Is the soundcard needed ? unless you have some decent speakers onboard HD audio will be fine.

All of these are issues of futureproofing. Does he want a rig that can play the game perfectly now, but struggles with later games? Or does he want a rig that can play the game better than needed, and not have to worry about upgrading again 3 years down the road? Maybe he wants to grab a 7.1 surround system at some point down the line. Either way, the soundcard would benefit him even if he got a pair of 7.1 headphones/headset. It also benefits him by taking the (albeit small) sound processing load off his CPU and onto his soundcard.

Though I'd agree with Sandy Bridge.

Edited, Jan 26th 2011 11:14am by SoumaKyou
#2013 Jan 26 2011 at 10:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Anything that would save me from buying a new desktop for the next 4-5 years I suppose.
#2014 Jan 31 2011 at 8:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Just double checking this will get the job done (or if it's massive overkill).

1x Intel Core i7-2600K 3.40GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155
1x ASUS P8P67 Deluxe Intel P67 (Socket 1155) DDR3 PCI-Express Motherboard
1x ASUS 1.5 GB GEFORCE GTX 580 PCIe 2.0
1x Corsair TX950W 950W High Performance Power Supply
1x Corsair Force 120 GB Solid State Drive
2x 4 GB Corsair Vengeance Memory Modules (1600MHz, CL9, DDR3)

Any recommendations to bring down the price/improve build are more than welcome!
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Just double checking this will get the job done (or if it's massive overkill).

1x Intel Core i7-2600K 3.40GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155
1x ASUS P8P67 Deluxe Intel P67 (Socket 1155) DDR3 PCI-Express Motherboard
1x ASUS 1.5 GB GEFORCE GTX 580 PCIe 2.0
1x Corsair TX950W 950W High Performance Power Supply
1x Corsair Force 120 GB Solid State Drive
2x 4 GB Corsair Vengeance Memory Modules (1600MHz, CL9, DDR3)

Any recommendations to bring down the price/improve build are more than welcome!


Looks good.

If you want to shave off a few dollars, you can lower your RAM to 4-6Gb instead of 8. Your power supply is also more than you need. A 750W should suffice for one of those video cards. Also, do you really need a 120Gb SSD? Since you should only be installing Windows and games on that, 60Gb should be more than enough and costs half the price. You can use the other half to get a 1Tb hard drive.

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I want to buy the new 3D alienware but i it have 2 new graphic card which i dont know much about:

the AMD Radeon HD 6870M/6970 and the GTX460M, in this case which one do you prefer ? both card are single.

or its better to get the none 3D and get crossfire ? (I have never use AMD before)

edit: it seem that I found different AMD card in different site between US, UK and DK

Edited, Jan 31st 2011 1:58pm by Shneibel
#2017 Jan 31 2011 at 1:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Threx wrote:
Also, do you really need a 120Gb SSD? Since you should only be installing Windows and games on that, 60Gb should be more than enough and costs half the price. You can use the other half to get a 1Tb hard drive.

I wouldn't say that. Most games these days are between 5-8GB and will likely only get bigger. Even WoW alone is something along the lines of 16GB. Arkham Asylum is 8.5GB. Black Ops around the same. Etc.
#2018 Jan 31 2011 at 1:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Threx wrote:
Saturus wrote:
Just double checking this will get the job done (or if it's massive overkill).

1x Intel Core i7-2600K 3.40GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155
1x ASUS P8P67 Deluxe Intel P67 (Socket 1155) DDR3 PCI-Express Motherboard
1x ASUS 1.5 GB GEFORCE GTX 580 PCIe 2.0
1x Corsair TX950W 950W High Performance Power Supply
1x Corsair Force 120 GB Solid State Drive
2x 4 GB Corsair Vengeance Memory Modules (1600MHz, CL9, DDR3)

Any recommendations to bring down the price/improve build are more than welcome!


Looks good.

If you want to shave off a few dollars, you can lower your RAM to 4-6Gb instead of 8. Your power supply is also more than you need. A 750W should suffice for one of those video cards. Also, do you really need a 120Gb SSD? Since you should only be installing Windows and games on that, 60Gb should be more than enough and costs half the price. You can use the other half to get a 1Tb hard drive.
Ehh, I got a 160 GB Intel SSD and it was worth it. I was able to keep my entire Steam library on the SSD in addition to the OS and all other software, relegating my secondary disk drive to pure media storage. I'd imagine if you're going for that high-end of a system for gaming you'd probably be playing multiple games and expect each one to average about 10 GB. Some smaller games could do it with less and some push 15 GB, and indie games/2D platformers/etc. use relatively tiny amounts of drive space. I don't regret going for the larger SSD, and I even filled that up on multiple occasions needing to uninstall games that I wasn't playing regularly to make everything fit. Personal preference though and depends on what you plan to do with it.

I agree with cutting the RAM back though. Unless you absolutely know you're going to be working with manipulating/encoding large video files or photoshop projects or something along those lines, 4 GB is going to be overkill. You have two free slots still so adding another 4 or 8 GB down the road is incredibly simple. Not exactly the biggest savings, but surplus RAM does absolutely nothing for you whereas a faster processor than you need is still beneficial.
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#2019 Jan 31 2011 at 1:35 PM Rating: Decent
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I want to buy the new 3D alienware but i it have 2 new graphic card which i dont know much about:

the AMD Radeon HD 6870M/6970 and the GTX460M, in this case which one do you prefer ? both card are single.

or its better to get the none 3D and get crossfire ? (I have never use AMD before)

edit: it seem that I found different AMD card in different site between US, UK and DK
Those are mobile GPUs, so you're looking at gaming laptops? As the current owner of a gaming laptop I'd advise against it unless you REALLY want the ability to play games away from home. The battery life even in the top power conservation modes is pitiful, and while it's mobile, being bulky and heavier does have an impact, trust me. If you want a machine that you can play games on but also want a laptop for more lightweight stuff like school/work/etc on the go, get a good desktop PC and a cheaper laptop. You end up spending the same amount of money anyway, but get 2 machines better suited to their purpose, a desktop that performs better than the gaming laptop and a laptop that is a superior mobile machine than the gaming laptop.

Also, don't buy Alienware if you care anything about not throwing money away, and if you do change your mind and get a desktop, it really is worth it to build your own, both in the gain of knowledge of putting a PC together and the extra money you'll pocket.
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i got a question for all of you that seem to know so much about Pc's since i know basically nothing. i am trying to find the bottle neck in my system so i can slowly start to upgrade it since it is outdated and small upgrades will start to be very cheap as new parts are coming out an dim not trying to have a top shelf pc. right now i have --

phenom II x4 965 3.4ghz " maybe black edition not sure"

ATI radeon HD 5670

win7 64-bit

asus M4A77T motherboard

offbrand 750w power supply

1TB hardrive "not sure of brand or specs"

ok so while playing ffxiv using core temp and the ATI overdrive menu i could see that my cpu was staying around 46c and my gpu 54cish so i decided to try overclocking. i read up on it and found that this motherboard has a cpu overclock function in the BIOS so i put it to the 5% option and it ran good so i tried the 10% and it hit 58c in about 2 mins so i went back to 5% making it 3.57 ghz according to core temp menu. befor ei OC'd te cpu my gpu ran at 99% but now it runs at 77% so i OC's that using the ATI overdrive autotune, it went form gpu clock 750 to 890 and memory clock 850 to 985 before getting line son my screen but gpu still is running at 77% so doess that mean my cpu is the bottleneck? and is it even worth upgrading that with my other components?

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ATI radeon HD 5670
This is a pretty big bottleneck. I don't know how much you know about numbering systems for GPUs but basically, a higher number doesn't necessarily mean better card. The 5 means that it's part of the 5000 family (Evergreen) of Radeon architectures. Inside of each family though, the remaining number (i.e. 670 in radeon 5670 or 870 in radeon 5870) will determine the performance ranking of the card. The 6 means it's a 5600 series, which is a particular form factor and architectural specification. The remaining 2 digits represent the model number, which will tweak smaller details like the clock speeds and the number of stream processors.

In short, a Radeon 4870 is a much better card than a Radeon 5670, because the 4870 is a high end GPU from an older generation and the 5670 is a low-mid GPU from the following generation. The only weaker Radeon cards in the 5000 family are the 5500s and 5400s which are low profile entry level cards designed basically to handle windows tasks and movie playback - basically graphics cards not meant for gaming. The 5600 is the bottom tier series strong enough to run current games on low settings and resolutions.

Not sure how much you're looking to invest at the moment in a new GPU, but I'd recommend never spending less than $150 on a new graphics card to play games with. Around ~$200 upwards of $250 at the high end is what I recommend to people wanting a strong GPU that will perform well and last for years but are trying to keep a realistic budget. The Radeon 6870 is my pick for that range, it's one of the strongest cards on the market that is still in that reasonable price range. A comparable nVidia card right now would be the GTX 560 Ti.



Edited, Jan 31st 2011 3:01pm by bsphil
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#2022 Jan 31 2011 at 3:16 PM Rating: Good
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bsphil wrote:
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ATI radeon HD 5670
This is a pretty big bottleneck. I don't know how much you know about numbering systems for GPUs but basically, a higher number doesn't necessarily mean better card. The 5 means that it's part of the 5000 family (Evergreen) of Radeon architectures. Inside of each family though, the remaining number (i.e. 670 in radeon 5670 or 870 in radeon 5870) will determine the performance ranking of the card. The 6 means it's a 5600 series, which is a particular form factor and architectural specification. The remaining 2 digits represent the model number, which will tweak smaller details like the clock speeds and the number of stream processors.

In short, a Radeon 4870 is a much better card than a Radeon 5670, because the 4870 is a high end GPU from an older generation and the 5670 is a low-mid GPU from the following generation. The only weaker Radeon cards in the 5000 family are the 5500s and 5400s which are low profile entry level cards designed basically to handle windows tasks and movie playback - basically graphics cards not meant for gaming. The 5600 is the bottom tier series strong enough to run current games on low settings and resolutions.

Not sure how much you're looking to invest at the moment in a new GPU, but I'd recommend never spending less than $150 on a new graphics card to play games with. Around ~$200 upwards of $250 at the high end is what I recommend to people wanting a strong GPU that will perform well and last for years but are trying to keep a realistic budget. The Radeon 6870 is my pick for that range, it's one of the strongest cards on the market that is still in that reasonable price range. A comparable nVidia card right now would be the GTX 560 Ti.



Edited, Jan 31st 2011 3:01pm by bsphil



i did not know that about video cards at all i just figured a 5670 would be better than anything in the 4000's. i guess it is just a lesson learned on my side. that card you linked looks pretty great and can even do the eyefinity thing and that looks cool in my opinion. you are going to laugh at me but the system i have now is from ibuypower, but i paid $740 for it and adding up just parts to make a comparable but slightly better system was more expensive when considering buying windows and all the others parts plus i have no idea what parts can go with each other. but i look at it as i have a base to start upgrading overtime even if it ends up just a case, power supply, dvd drive and HD. i was looking at tigerdirect at a motherboard/cpu combo for like $320 that come with the phenom 1099T 6 core processor and that combined with the video card you pointed out might make for a decent system.thi ssystem is running the game at decent settings with 45-55 fps so i might just wait till this stuff gets cheaper in the next 6 months or so then upgrade. thanks for the information i just started learning about all this stuff in December and i am really starting to enjoy learning more.
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I've got nothing against iBuyPower, they're a smaller company that prices gaming PCs competitively and offer the options for higher quality parts in their builds.

One of the nicer features of AMD processors is that they have a tendency to stick with the same mobo socket, reducing the need for upgrades like Intel has been introducting processors lately. A Phenom II x4 965 (which are only made in black edition btw) is a socket AM3, which is the current version AMD still uses. So, you could fit any Phenom II x6 into that motherboard.

I mean, if you're really aiming to replace the mobo for whatever reason you're free to do so, but don't think that because you're changing processors that you need a new mobo as well.



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the only reason i think the mobo will need to be replaced is this one does not have a PCI express 2.0 or 2.1 port it only has

1x PCIe x16 slot
2x PCIe x1 slots
3x PCI slots

unless on of those is acually the PCI express 2.0 that i think the newer video cards use but again i may be completely wrong.

Edited, Jan 31st 2011 4:42pm by elevencharle
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the only reason i think the mobo will need to be replaced is this one does not have a PCI express 2.0 or 2.1 port it only has

1x PCIe x16 slot
2x PCIe x1 slots
3x PCI slots

unless on of those is acually the PCI express 2.0 that i think the newer video cards use but again i may be completely wrong.
PCIe 2.0 isn't exactly new, it's been around since 2007. Depends how old the PC is.
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bsphil wrote:
elevencharle wrote:
the only reason i think the mobo will need to be replaced is this one does not have a PCI express 2.0 or 2.1 port it only has

1x PCIe x16 slot
2x PCIe x1 slots
3x PCI slots

unless on of those is acually the PCI express 2.0 that i think the newer video cards use but again i may be completely wrong.
PCIe 2.0 isn't exactly new, it's been around since 2007. Depends how old the PC is.


you are right i looked up my mobo and it does support PCI express 2.0 x16. so i can just get the cpu and video card and might be able to run at almost max settings. thanks again for the help looks like $500 or so more dollars and ill be right were i want to be, minus the 2 more monitors if i want to play around with eyefinity
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I want a laptop that can run FFXIV on low-med I have about 750 to mess around with and I found these two

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220733

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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834214045

If you know any others please let me know if not what do you think about these two?
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Those two laptops would barely be able to run the game, if at all. If they could, I would expect them to run the game on not just low, but minimal settings.
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#2029 Jan 31 2011 at 11:09 PM Rating: Decent
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I want a laptop that can run FFXIV on low-med I have about 750 to mess around with and I found these two

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220733

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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834214045

If you know any others please let me know if not what do you think about these two?
You're not going to run FFXIV on a laptop for less than $1000.
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For starters, it's sold out because it was an open box item. The 285M would probably fulfill the minimum requirements to run the game on low settings though.

Edited, Jan 31st 2011 11:35pm by bsphil
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http://videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

Don't bother with any laptop that has a GPU that scores anything below 1000 on that list.

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#2033 Feb 01 2011 at 3:59 AM Rating: Decent
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bsphil wrote:
Threx wrote:
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Just double checking this will get the job done (or if it's massive overkill).

1x Intel Core i7-2600K 3.40GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155
1x ASUS P8P67 Deluxe Intel P67 (Socket 1155) DDR3 PCI-Express Motherboard
1x ASUS 1.5 GB GEFORCE GTX 580 PCIe 2.0
1x Corsair TX950W 950W High Performance Power Supply
1x Corsair Force 120 GB Solid State Drive
2x 4 GB Corsair Vengeance Memory Modules (1600MHz, CL9, DDR3)

Any recommendations to bring down the price/improve build are more than welcome!


Looks good.

If you want to shave off a few dollars, you can lower your RAM to 4-6Gb instead of 8. Your power supply is also more than you need. A 750W should suffice for one of those video cards. Also, do you really need a 120Gb SSD? Since you should only be installing Windows and games on that, 60Gb should be more than enough and costs half the price. You can use the other half to get a 1Tb hard drive.
Ehh, I got a 160 GB Intel SSD and it was worth it. I was able to keep my entire Steam library on the SSD in addition to the OS and all other software, relegating my secondary disk drive to pure media storage. I'd imagine if you're going for that high-end of a system for gaming you'd probably be playing multiple games and expect each one to average about 10 GB. Some smaller games could do it with less and some push 15 GB, and indie games/2D platformers/etc. use relatively tiny amounts of drive space. I don't regret going for the larger SSD, and I even filled that up on multiple occasions needing to uninstall games that I wasn't playing regularly to make everything fit. Personal preference though and depends on what you plan to do with it.

I agree with cutting the RAM back though. Unless you absolutely know you're going to be working with manipulating/encoding large video files or photoshop projects or something along those lines, 4 GB is going to be overkill. You have two free slots still so adding another 4 or 8 GB down the road is incredibly simple. Not exactly the biggest savings, but surplus RAM does absolutely nothing for you whereas a faster processor than you need is still beneficial.


I forgot to mention that the 950 PSU was to leave myself some head room for another GPU. You think that'll be enough? Also i'd definatley be using this box for video encoding and large photoshop files, hence the size of SSD and amount of RAM.

I was initially looking at the Asus Maximus IV P67 board as the mobo for this but heard the BIOS was still a bit 'iffy'?
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again, as i post my question at the post above but no reply, so i ll ask it again with another way

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Intel® Core™ i7 740QM (1.73 Ghz, 6MB, 4C)
CrossFire™ Dual 1GB ATI® Mobility Radeon™ HD 5870
6144MB 1333MHz Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM [1x2048 + 1x4096]
500GB (7,200rpm) Serial ATA Hard Drive


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Intel® Core™ i7 Processor 2630QM (2.00Ghz, 6MB, 4C)
1.5GB GDDR5 NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 460M w/ Optimus Technology
17.3" 120Hz w/ 3D Bundle WideFHD (1920 x 1080) WLED LCD
6144MB 1333MHz Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM [1x2048 + 1x4096]
750GB (7,200rpm) Serial ATA Hard Drive


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Intel® Core™ i7 Processor 2630QM (2.00Ghz, 6MB, 4C)
2GB GDDR5 AMD® Radeon™ HD 6970M w/ PowerXpress
17.3" WideFHD (1920 x 1080) WLED LCD
6144MB 1333MHz Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM [1x2048 + 1x4096]
750GB (7,200rpm) Serial ATA Hard Drive


all 3 option are laptop, I want to know which one of em worth for gaming, FFXIV and the game in the future. The 2nd and 3rd are 3D LCD. Sorry for my bad english

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I forgot to mention that the 950 PSU was to leave myself some head room for another GPU. You think that'll be enough? Also i'd definatley be using this box for video encoding and large photoshop files, hence the size of SSD and amount of RAM.

I was initially looking at the Asus Maximus IV P67 board as the mobo for this but heard the BIOS was still a bit 'iffy'?


Dual 580s? Hmm, a 950W -should- be enough, but I'd get a 1000W just to be on the safer side. It's a powerful GPU.

No idea about the motherboard.

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all 3 option are laptop, I want to know which one of em worth for gaming, FFXIV and the game in the future. The 2nd and 3rd are 3D LCD. Sorry for my bad english


They can run the game, but none of them is "worth it" for gaming. No laptop is worth it for gaming, especially for future games.

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all 3 option are laptop, I want to know which one of em worth for gaming, FFXIV and the game in the future. The 2nd and 3rd are 3D LCD. Sorry for my bad english


They can run the game, but none of them is "worth it" for gaming. No laptop is worth it for gaming, especially for future games.



I know about that part that none of laptop is worth it for gaming, but in those 3 which one of em are the best to pick ? and will it beable to run the game in good quality ? medium or high config ?

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again, as i post my question at the post above but no reply, so i ll ask it again with another way

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Intel® Core™ i7 740QM (1.73 Ghz, 6MB, 4C)
CrossFire™ Dual 1GB ATI® Mobility Radeon™ HD 5870
6144MB 1333MHz Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM [1x2048 + 1x4096]
500GB (7,200rpm) Serial ATA Hard Drive


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Intel® Core™ i7 Processor 2630QM (2.00Ghz, 6MB, 4C)
1.5GB GDDR5 NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 460M w/ Optimus Technology
17.3" 120Hz w/ 3D Bundle WideFHD (1920 x 1080) WLED LCD
6144MB 1333MHz Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM [1x2048 + 1x4096]
750GB (7,200rpm) Serial ATA Hard Drive


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Intel® Core™ i7 Processor 2630QM (2.00Ghz, 6MB, 4C)
2GB GDDR5 AMD® Radeon™ HD 6970M w/ PowerXpress
17.3" WideFHD (1920 x 1080) WLED LCD
6144MB 1333MHz Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM [1x2048 + 1x4096]
750GB (7,200rpm) Serial ATA Hard Drive


all 3 option are laptop, I want to know which one of em worth for gaming, FFXIV and the game in the future. The 2nd and 3rd are 3D LCD. Sorry for my bad english

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Hard to say if they're worth it or not without knowing the prices. The new Sandy Bridge i7s are definitely worth it though, they bench almost twice as well as the 1st gen i7, so getting a 2630QM is a very big deal. The 5870m and 460m can get by running the game moderately, but if you want to do it well, option 3 is the way to go.

Of course, the correct answer is to not get a gaming laptop, because you're throwing away a lot of money on a bad idea. I wouldn't consider 1 or 2 if you really want it to last. By the way, don't expect more than 75-90 minutes out of the battery life.
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all 3 are alienware, so price is not worth it to mention since ppl already know the outcome
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I forgot to mention that the 950 PSU was to leave myself some head room for another GPU. You think that'll be enough? Also i'd definatley be using this box for video encoding and large photoshop files, hence the size of SSD and amount of RAM.

I was initially looking at the Asus Maximus IV P67 board as the mobo for this but heard the BIOS was still a bit 'iffy'?
That's fine then, stick with the larger SSD and extra RAM. 950W for two 580s is probably as low as I'd go but you'll be alright. Depends on the usage, but over time the capacitors will age and break down. If you plan to use it heavily for years to come and are very serious about getting the second 580, I'd consider bumping that up some more.
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i am thinking of upgrading from a radeon 5670 to the 6870 and i am not sure if it will work with my motherboard.
i have an ASUS M4A77T/USB3 and the only info i can find on it says it supports PCI express 2.0 but this video card is PCI express 2.1 so i'm not sure if they are compatible. also if that motherboard will work can a phenom II x4 965 BE Oc'd a little to 3.57 even run a 6870?

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A PCI express 2.1 card will work just fine in a 2.0 motherboard.

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also if that motherboard will work can a phenom II x4 965 BE Oc'd a little to 3.57 even run a 6870?
Not sure what you're getting at here, but that'll probably be fine. The 965 will end up being a bottleneck, of course, but since you said that you'd want to replace the processor soon as well, that's not much of an issue.

Your only problem might be the PSU, but coming from iBuyPower I'd bet it's fine.



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thanks you for the info bsphil, you have been giving me great information. i hate to abuse the privilege of good advice but i have one question about something that happened on my pc this morning and do not know were to ask it. when i turned on my monitors this morning "i leave the pc running" and tried to open Firefox i got an error message saying Firefox was already open and i have to close it before i can open it again. this seemed odd since i can always open Firefox more than once and it was not open on either of my monitors and the icon in my task bar did not have the square around it like it was minimized. so i opened task manager and it was running so i ended the task. that makes me feel like it was running on my system but not on my screens like someone was hacked into my pc. i ran Malwarebyte and Microsoft security essentials and found nothing. is this normal? sorry for the long post and possibly a useless one but this has me concerned a little bit and do not know were else to ask it.
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I think it's just a bug. Firefox does that sometimes for me, as well. It doesn't happen often, but it does.

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#2045 Feb 02 2011 at 7:08 PM Rating: Good
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That happens every once in a while to me. Just a Firefox bug, force the current instance closed just like you had done and open it again. It'll work just fine.
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How much memory does this game require anyway? Is 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1600 enough or more than enough? I want to play this and FFXI as well. (Trying to get a PC just for gaming...)
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@ threx and bsphil thanks for the input that makes me feel better. sometimes ignorance is bliss other times it can make you worry about nothing.
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How much memory does this game require anyway? Is 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1600 enough or more than enough? I want to play this and FFXI as well. (Trying to get a PC just for gaming...)
4 GB is plenty. The game, for me, ran on about 600k.
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Got'cha, thanks for the info man.
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Okay I can't afford a geekbox computer or a falcon-nw lol. I know newegg.com is a good site to buy gaming computers for a cheap price. But anyone know which one? My budget is under 1,00o. Thank you in advance!
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Okay I can't afford a geekbox computer or a falcon-nw lol. I know newegg.com is a good site to buy gaming computers for a cheap price. But anyone know which one? My budget is under 1,00o. Thank you in advance!
$1000 is a pretty large budget if you're willing to build it yourself. The only problem right now is the Sandy Bridge recall has kinda forced people who want a new Intel based machine right now to buy old technology that has already been shown to be severely outclassed. If you're looking for something prebuilt then that's a different story (somewhat).



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