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#2102 Oct 06 2011 at 8:04 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm sorry if I missed something, I can't quite make out what you mean. Why did you link to a music video? Also it was a gift :)I just want to know if this thing should be traded in for a desktop I can equip with better parts, or just upgrade whats in it. It feels like a fine machine so far, and the screen is beautiful. O_o Although I'm used to bigger screens, not that much bigger, but bigger none the less.
#2103 Oct 06 2011 at 8:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Ankaku89 wrote:
I'm sorry if I missed something, I can't quite make out what you mean. Why did you link to a music video? Also it was a gift :)I just want to know if this thing should be traded in for a desktop I can equip with better parts, or just upgrade whats in it. It feels like a fine machine so far, and the screen is beautiful. O_o Although I'm used to bigger screens, not that much bigger, but bigger none the less.

Pay no mind to Victrola.. He's been posting all kinds of mindless jibberish. I'm honestly not even sure if he's a bot or just some scatter-brained troll who forget to take his medication.
But back to the subject of your laptop!

It seems like a pretty hefty machine, I'm fairly impressed. I'm personally not a fan of laptops as gaming machines, but I predict that this one will perform fairly well!
If I were you, I'd definitely try installing the game and see how it runs; I bet you'll be surprised.
Just be sure to keep the laptop cool!
If for some reason it does not perform to expectations, I wouldn't expect to be able to upgrade the machine cheaply, if at all.

Also, if it does run XIV well and your main concerns comes down to the size of the monitor, I can bet there's some kind of video-out option somewhere on that machine ;)
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#2104 Oct 06 2011 at 8:33 AM Rating: Decent
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:D game should be delivered shortly. I was looking around to see if it was possable to upgrade, most of the time I see people told to just overclock, which I'm not too fond of seeing as how I'm too new to this stuff and don't want to risk the warranty. But this thing has an amazing cooling system by what I can tell, always feels cool to the touch. I tried putting the benchmark into a partition but that only seemed to boost the score on high by a few points.
Thanks for reminding me about the video out stuff...XD I have no idea what I'm doing
#2105 Oct 06 2011 at 9:54 AM Rating: Good
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Ankaku89 wrote:
Hello all, noobie to computers and pc gaming as a whole here. I was recently given a laptop as a late gift, and I need some advice. The laptop is a Asus G74sx, and got pretty low scores on the benchmark( about 3100 on low and 2050 on high). I don't know if I'm holding it back, but I'll have the game by tomorrow and about 2 1/2 weeks to return the laptop to see how it runs. Question is, should I return it and build a desktop or upgrade the gpu ect? I really like this laptop but I also want to run this game on high settings.
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i7 2630qm 2.0gh
12gb of ram
Geforce GTX 560m 3gb
dual 750gb HDD
Idk if it's worth mentioning but I havn't formatted it before, though I did update all the drivers. I have no idea what I'm doing but I like the possibilities of pc gaming, atleast with some things over my ps3. Thanks in advance :)
It should do fine running the game. You'd be mistaken in thinking it gets better on a desktop without spending a ton of money.
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#2106 Oct 06 2011 at 10:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Oh I see. I thought a desktop of similar power would always cost less than its laptop counterpart
#2107 Oct 06 2011 at 10:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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It would cost less, sure. But then again, it's a bit of a **** move to return a gift for that reason.
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#2108 Oct 06 2011 at 11:11 AM Rating: Good
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That's a good point ^^;.
#2109 Oct 07 2011 at 12:44 PM Rating: Decent
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alright, so i'm a returning player. bought the game at launch, played until about november and then finally decided to take some time away to let yoshi-p work his magic. updated the game and logged in yesterday to the painful reminder that my PC most certainly cannot run this game tolerably.

currently running a core2 quad Q6600 2.4ghz with a radeon HD 3600 card. obviously not enough from either.

so, i figure it's time i get a new rig entirely, and i'd like to keep it under $1000. i've done quite a lot of research and i'm pretty sure i'll be going with the intel core i5 2500k sandy bridge processor. what i'm flip-flopping over, though, is the video card.

my friends are telling me to avoid ATI and go nVidia, but within my price range it seems like the ATI Radeon HD 6850 gets much better benchmark scores than the nVidia Geforce 550 TI (the two cards which are most in my price range)

these are the two i was looking at:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121435
vs.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161384

so my main question is, with the core i5 2500k processor, would i be able to run the game on full settings just fine with the 550 TI? or should i really just shell out the extra 30 bucks for the ATI? it seems comparable nVidia cards to the 6850 are about $50 more and i'm not sure i can justify the price right now. (i'd rather just upgrade my video card again in the future, or buy a second 550 TI or 6850)

also, any suggestions on an affordable but reliable motherboard for the core i5?

thanks, guys!
#2110 Oct 08 2011 at 10:16 AM Rating: Good
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verilyvale wrote:
my friends are telling me to avoid ATI and go nVidia, but within my price range
That's an instant red flag to stop listening to your friends' advice. ATI corners the market on price:performance ratios, nVidia claims the throne of top tier performance... for a price. If you're on a tight budget, go ATI. I've been very pleased with my ATI cards (and you can mine BTC when you aren't gaming, although the market is in the dump right now).

Also, take note that the difference between 192-bit (that nVidia card) and 256-bit (that ATI card) is pretty significant as well, which may help to explain the performance gap. Being able to transmit 256 bits of data at once is a significant improvement in bandwidth over being able to transmit 192 bits of data. It might not be a direct 33% performance increase, but under load the ATI card is able to transmit data to and from the VRAM much faster due to its wider bus size.

On a broader note, I'll say that generally speaking, $150-$200 is a good investment range for buying graphics cards. Sometimes you can find deals on cards under $150 as well, and cards over $200 are certain still excellent. However, that sweet spot is a great balance of performance and longevity. Putting in the extra money now gives you an extra year or two of performance as spec requirements increase in games. Anything over $200 starts getting expensive very quickly for the relative increases in performance.
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#2111 Oct 08 2011 at 6:13 PM Rating: Decent
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bsphil wrote:
That's an instant red flag to stop listening to your friends' advice. ATI corners the market on price:performance ratios, nVidia claims the throne of top tier performance... for a price.


Depends on who's benchmarks you trust unless you have both cards and can compare them on your own. If you have to go to benchmarks then price vs performance (if you're talking about $spend/FPS) fluctuates depending on which game you are playing/testing. No one (and for good reason) benchmarks XIV to use it for comparison.

The true test for me is running benchmarks side by side. It's pretty clear who the winner is after that regardless of price.
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#2112 Oct 14 2011 at 5:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Will this laptop run the game pretty smoothly on high-ish settings?

ASUS G Series G53SW-XN1 Notebook Intel Core i7 2630QM(2.00GHz) 15.6" 6GB Memory 500GB HDD 7200rpm DVD Super Multi NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460M

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?SID=u1452868t0f0fp60056dd0c0s701&AID=10440897&PID=1225267&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-cables-_-na-_-na&Item=N82E16834230027

I looks like it's pretty similar to the laptop Ankaku posted, but with a smaller screen, less ram, and 460m instead of 560m. My current laptop is ancient and falling apart, so I'd really like a new laptop in general, but it'd also be nice to get one that can run FFXIV pretty well.
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#2113 Oct 14 2011 at 5:34 PM Rating: Decent
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tantanx wrote:
Will this laptop run the game pretty smoothly on high-ish settings?

ASUS G Series G53SW-XN1 Notebook Intel Core i7 2630QM(2.00GHz) 15.6" 6GB Memory 500GB HDD 7200rpm DVD Super Multi NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460M

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?SID=u1452868t0f0fp60056dd0c0s701&AID=10440897&PID=1225267&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-cables-_-na-_-na&Item=N82E16834230027

I looks like it's pretty similar to the laptop Ankaku posted, but with a smaller screen, less ram, and 460m instead of 560m. My current laptop is ancient and falling apart, so I'd really like a new laptop in general, but it'd also be nice to get one that can run FFXIV pretty well.


Short answer, no.
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#2114 Oct 14 2011 at 6:09 PM Rating: Good
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
tantanx wrote:
Will this laptop run the game pretty smoothly on high-ish settings?

ASUS G Series G53SW-XN1 Notebook Intel Core i7 2630QM(2.00GHz) 15.6" 6GB Memory 500GB HDD 7200rpm DVD Super Multi NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460M

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?SID=u1452868t0f0fp60056dd0c0s701&AID=10440897&PID=1225267&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-cables-_-na-_-na&Item=N82E16834230027

I looks like it's pretty similar to the laptop Ankaku posted, but with a smaller screen, less ram, and 460m instead of 560m. My current laptop is ancient and falling apart, so I'd really like a new laptop in general, but it'd also be nice to get one that can run FFXIV pretty well.
Short answer, no.
Smiley: dubious Wrong?

It'll do fine for a laptop. The 460m is about on par with the mobility HD 5870, and the 2nd gen i7 is a big step up from the 1st gen i7. I ran the game at 1080p moderately with a 1st gen mobile i7 and a HD 5870m, so I'd wager that it runs better with the upgraded CPU.
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#2115 Oct 14 2011 at 6:28 PM Rating: Good
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It isn't going to run smoothly at high settings. It will cruise down the middle of the road comfortably though. Given that XIV is completely changing their graphics engine, it really doesn't matter at this point. Get a PC for things you need a PC to do. Get a PS3 for XIV Ver. 2.0 when it's released and save a bundle.
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#2116 Oct 19 2011 at 3:05 PM Rating: Good
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I'm looking for a laptop that will mainly let me do just some crafting, gathering, and maybe some solo leves while I'm traveling. Will this laptop run on standard/low settings? I know integrated graphics are generally a no-no, but this one guy on the ffxivpro forums said he dual boxes on it. Now at what resolution and settings he dual boxes, that's another question. :)

Integrated Intel GMA HD
Intel Core i3-2310M processor 3MB L3 cache 2.1GHz
4gb ram
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Asus+-+Laptop+/+Intel%26%23174%3B+Core%26%23153%3B+i3+Processor+/+15.6%22+Display+/+4GB+Memory+/+640GB+Hard+Drive+-+Brown+Suit/2712297.p?id=1218346632191&skuId=2712297

But like I said, mainly just looking for something I can take with me when I travel and feel like playing a little bit here and there on standard settings, not for a main rig setup.
#2117 Oct 19 2011 at 4:37 PM Rating: Good
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@xbellflowerx

I would avoid integrate Intel GPUs at all costs.

If you are gonna buy a system with an Integrated GPU, you need to make sure that it has dedicated VRAM. If it has shared VRAM (the VRAM is actually a partition of available physical memory) you are not going to get very good performance.

I would I also recommend at least an i5 CPU. i7 would be optimal.
#2118 Oct 19 2011 at 5:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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xbellflowerx wrote:
I'm looking for a laptop that will mainly let me do just some crafting, gathering, and maybe some solo leves while I'm traveling. Will this laptop run on standard/low settings? I know integrated graphics are generally a no-no, but this one guy on the ffxivpro forums said he dual boxes on it. Now at what resolution and settings he dual boxes, that's another question. :)

Integrated Intel GMA HD
Intel Core i3-2310M processor 3MB L3 cache 2.1GHz
4gb ram
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Asus+-+Laptop+/+Intel%26%23174%3B+Core%26%23153%3B+i3+Processor+/+15.6%22+Display+/+4GB+Memory+/+640GB+Hard+Drive+-+Brown+Suit/2712297.p?id=1218346632191&skuId=2712297

But like I said, mainly just looking for something I can take with me when I travel and feel like playing a little bit here and there on standard settings, not for a main rig setup.
He's lying. Integrated graphics cannot run FFXIV.
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#2119 Oct 19 2011 at 11:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for the warning! I was really ready to by that one too :( lol.

It looks like it's going to be hard to find a laptop with an i5/i7 and a dedicated gpu under $500. (that's kind of the price limit I was shooting for just to have something for travel) The closest I could find is this:

$500, i3-370m 2.4ghz, 4gb ram, gt 520m 1GB of dedicated DDR3 VRAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834215191

But of course the cpu is only i3 and not so sure about the gpu. But again, not looking to run on anything above standard settings and not going to do any intense FFXIV'ing on this laptop.

The next cheapest I could find were $650+:

$650: i5 480M(2.66GHz), 4GB Memory, HD 6550M (17")
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115990

$680: i5 2430M(2.40GHz), 4GB Memory DDR3 1066, GT 540M (is there much difference between 1066 ram vs 1333?)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834215197

$700: i5 460M(2.53GHz), 6GB Memory, GT 425M
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834152270

$730: i5-2430m 2.4ghz, 4gb ram, gt 540m (14", maybe a little better for travel?)
*Edit: found this one for a little cheaper at $700 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1165576&CatId=4938
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Acer+-+Aspire+Laptop+/+Intel%26%23174%3B+Core%26%23153%3B+i5+Processor+/+14%26%2334%3B+Display+/+4GB+Memory+-+Cobalt+Blue/3603093.p?id=1218419325596&skuId=3603093

$750: i7 2670QM(2.20GHz), 4GB Memory DDR3 1066, GT 540M
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834215198

$780: i5-2430m 2.4ghz, 6gb ram, gt 540m (will the 6gb ram really make that much difference vs only 4gb?)
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Acer+-+Aspire+Laptop+/+Intel%26%23174%3B+Core%26%23153%3B+i5+Processor+/+15.6%26%2334%3B+Display+/+6GB+Memory+-+Cobalt+Blue/3603127.p?id=1218419328311&skuId=3603127

Edited, Oct 20th 2011 3:37am by xbellflowerx
#2120 Oct 20 2011 at 11:51 AM Rating: Good
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xbellflowerx wrote:
will the 6gb ram really make that much difference vs only 4gb?
Just crossposting this:
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4 GB RAM is a good number, you still won't be using more than that in an average multitasking Windows 7 environment for gaming. 6 GB is plenty, 8 GB is overkill, 12 GB is ridiculous overkill and they're just sucking money out of people who don't know any better. Surplus/unused RAM has zero benefit. If you're never using more than 4-6 GB, you're throwing money away upgrading to 8-12 GB.
In short, 4 GB is fine, so naturally 6 GB is fine too. No big deal if the upgrade is free, but it's not worth paying money for. As for 1066 v. 1333, I have my doubts that it'll be that important of a difference in a laptop. To be honest I've never really seen that much improvement with overclocked RAM.

Finding a laptop to play games on is in itself a challenge. If you're not constantly on the road traveling, I'd suggest you really rethink buying a gaming laptop. Particularly if you want to do anything else normal on a laptop. Getting a laptop that is passable for gaming almost necessarily makes it bad for portability (heavy, awful battery life, etc). Speaking from experience.

Anyway, that aside, $500 is a really tough budget for a laptop to play FFXIV on. I don't think it can be done right now. Here's a list of mobile GPUs and test benchmarks. Offhand I'd guess that you could get by at low settings with a lower-end chip from class 2.

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$750: i7 2670QM(2.20GHz), 4GB Memory DDR3 1066, GT 540M
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834215198
This appears to be the best of the list - the jump to a 2nd gen i7 is a fairly decent one (the mobile i5s are dual core and the mobile i7s are quad core), especially the 2670 which was only released last week IIRC. The 5400 rpm HDD is going to be rough, but those are pretty common to find in laptops (all the ones you linked have them). Maybe I feel that way only because I've experienced life on a SSD though. Even my desktop 7200 rpm HDD feels so agonizingly slow...
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#2121 Oct 23 2011 at 5:32 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm upgrading this week and I've got about $300 to spend. I was wondering if anyone had any idea's to get more performance out of my dollar? My current specs are,

Phenom II 955 @ 3.8ghz on stock air
4GB 1333 g.skill memory
Zotac 460 gtx 1GB
500 GB WD 5400rpm 3gb/s HDD
750w PSU
870 gigabyte MB

I was thinking of this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125385 video card and upgrading to 8 GB of ram. That would put me at about $285. I need a faster HDD but I cant spend a arm and a leg for anything faster that a 7200rpm/ 6gb/s one. Even that would put my total at about $345, over budget. I'm guessing the ram upgrade will be more advantageous than the HDD. I wonder if the faster HDD will make that much of a difference in xiv or the upcoming elder scrolls game, and is it worth going over budget for? Does this make sense or should I go another route completely?


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#2122 Oct 23 2011 at 1:33 PM Rating: Good
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Bavien wrote:
I'm upgrading this week and I've got about $300 to spend. I was wondering if anyone had any idea's to get more performance out of my dollar? My current specs are,

Phenom II 955 @ 3.8ghz on stock air
4GB 1333 g.skill memory
Zotac 460 gtx 1GB
500 GB WD 5400rpm 3gb/s HDD
750w PSU
870 gigabyte MB

I was thinking of this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125385 video card and upgrading to 8 GB of ram. That would put me at about $285. I need a faster HDD but I cant spend a arm and a leg for anything faster that a 7200rpm/ 6gb/s one. Even that would put my total at about $345, over budget. I'm guessing the ram upgrade will be more advantageous than the HDD. I wonder if the faster HDD will make that much of a difference in xiv or the upcoming elder scrolls game, and is it worth going over budget for? Does this make sense or should I go another route completely?


A 1gb 460 really isn't that bad... I would sink some money into an SSD, it will give you the most noticeable difference in performance. An OCZ Agility 3 120GB would be a good choice, currently $120 at newegg. Too bad your MB doesn't support SLI cause buying another 460 would be your best option.

The SSD upgrade would own a RAM upgrade in terms of performance gain. A video card upgrade should be your second choice depending on what resolution you run. 1680 or under, not needed so much, 1920+ it would be a wise move.

I guess, if I were you, I would just sink the whole amount into a video card instead of going half way on a couple items. Then maybe sometime later you can get an SSD and then finally some more RAM (which is probably your least needed item). Here's what I would get:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814162075
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#2123 Oct 24 2011 at 1:52 AM Rating: Default
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Bavien wrote:
I'm upgrading this week and I've got about $300 to spend. I was wondering if anyone had any idea's to get more performance out of my dollar? My current specs are,

Phenom II 955 @ 3.8ghz on stock air
4GB 1333 g.skill memory
Zotac 460 gtx 1GB
500 GB WD 5400rpm 3gb/s HDD
750w PSU
870 gigabyte MB

I was thinking of this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125385 video card and upgrading to 8 GB of ram. That would put me at about $285. I need a faster HDD but I cant spend a arm and a leg for anything faster that a 7200rpm/ 6gb/s one. Even that would put my total at about $345, over budget. I'm guessing the ram upgrade will be more advantageous than the HDD. I wonder if the faster HDD will make that much of a difference in xiv or the upcoming elder scrolls game, and is it worth going over budget for? Does this make sense or should I go another route completely?


Truth be told, your best option is also gonna be the cheapest. Get a Corsair cooling unit (H-50 or better) so you can overclock your CPU and keep it cool. The best performance for XIV now is going to be a boost to your CPU frequency, but that will all change when they implement the new engine(we hope). Best thing to do is shell out ~$60 for the cooler and bank the rest until next year. If your only focus is XIV then that's the best advice I can give.

I wouldn't get an SSD just because I don't care about windows index and it's minimal performance relating to gaming.
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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#2124 Oct 27 2011 at 4:24 PM Rating: Good
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Well I've been playing on my semi-old AMD pc with a 460gtx. Its been fine but I have a 1920x1200 monitor and I can't get the settings up very high. I came back to FFXIV in May/June after leaving in Dec... and I've found myself playing more and more. Seemed like time for a rig that can handle it on full. Guess SE must be doing something right! Ordered this yesterday:

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=25008128

I thought too it might help to upgrade for Skyrim - guess that's not the case >.>

Now to wait for the UPS truck!
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#2125 Oct 27 2011 at 4:40 PM Rating: Decent
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rikkuotaku wrote:
Well I've been playing on my semi-old AMD pc with a 460gtx. Its been fine but I have a 1920x1200 monitor and I can't get the settings up very high. I came back to FFXIV in May/June after leaving in Dec... and I've found myself playing more and more. Seemed like time for a rig that can handle it on full. Guess SE must be doing something right! Ordered this yesterday:

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=25008128


I hate to see people tossing money at a game that will have a completely redone graphics engine soon.

FYI your RAM isn't supported. Maybe you'll get lucky. For the amount of money you threw on it, I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.
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#2126 Oct 27 2011 at 6:18 PM Rating: Default
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TrollMcNasty wrote:
rikkuotaku wrote:
Well I've been playing on my semi-old AMD pc with a 460gtx. Its been fine but I have a 1920x1200 monitor and I can't get the settings up very high. I came back to FFXIV in May/June after leaving in Dec... and I've found myself playing more and more. Seemed like time for a rig that can handle it on full. Guess SE must be doing something right! Ordered this yesterday:

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=25008128


I hate to see people tossing money at a game that will have a completely redone graphics engine soon a year from now. (??????)

FYI your RAM isn't supported. Maybe you'll get lucky. For the amount of money you threw on it, I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.


Thanks for the encouraging words, as always...

Yeah the 16GB kit was on the QVL but I'm not sure what I would do with all that RAM.... so I opted for the 8. I don't even usually look at QVLs and never had a problem. They are pretty much a joke - like this one only has two Crucial entries for 1GB sticks and the same for Patriot >.> Anyway, such a large QVL usually guarantees a wide range of compatibility. If it doesn't work, I'll just return it XD so no need for finger crossing.
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#2127 Oct 27 2011 at 7:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for the encouraging words, as always...


Never been called a troll for pointing out something that might cause an issue before. Thanks for your kindness.
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#2128 Oct 31 2011 at 12:14 AM Rating: Decent
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I wouldn't get an SSD just because I don't care about windows index and it's minimal performance relating to gaming.
SSDs for the windows index? Are you serious?

SSDs are glorious for any PC, and if you don't understand that, you haven't used a SSD. Especially if you're comparing it to a 5400 rpm HDD. Those are really sad.
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#2129 Oct 31 2011 at 1:53 AM Rating: Decent
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bsphil wrote:
FilthMcNasty wrote:
I wouldn't get an SSD just because I don't care about windows index and it's minimal performance relating to gaming.
SSDs for the windows index? Are you serious?

SSDs are glorious for any PC, and if you don't understand that, you haven't used a SSD. Especially if you're comparing it to a 5400 rpm HDD. Those are really sad.


Bolded for emphasis.

An SSD is the only thing I could do to improve my windows index score which is why I mentioned it. Would I like to load windows faster? Sure. Would I like to load levels for games faster? Not really. I end up having to wait for everyone else to load anyway.

Just not worth the price gap for the performance it offers and the limited space available compared to a cheap 7200 RPM HDD, especially not when it comes to games. I'm not saying it is a bad investment. I just don't find value in it personally.




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#2130 Oct 31 2011 at 8:44 AM Rating: Good
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Phenom II 955 @ 3.8ghz on stock air


Truth be told, your best option is also gonna be the cheapest. Get a Corsair cooling unit (H-50 or better) so you can overclock your CPU and keep it cool.


Good point, but a Phenom II 955 @ 3.8ghz is already overclocked, and at the top-end of what you can push it to without risking frequent BSOD errors regardless of cooling. But I do agree, pushing that multiplier to 3.8 on stock air is risky and worth the minor investment of a good CPU cooler.

Also, I see a lot of people with GTX460s in this thread and they're getting (bad) advice to ditch it in regards to a budgeted upgrade. Don't do it.

The 460 is a fantastic card that still runs around $180 for the 1gb version. SLI'd together, and it's one of the top 5 performance setups available at the moment for under $500. And even then, it's comparable to a few $500 models. Of course this is SLI which is not always better than a single card setup so do your research on your favorite games and how you plan to use it. But looking at dollar-per-FPS, upgrading from a 460 rarely is better than money spent elsewhere inside the setup - if you're building on a budget and you want to squeeze performance out of every last dollar, switching out from a 460 to a $300+ alternative is seldom worth it.




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#2131 Nov 01 2011 at 11:20 AM Rating: Good
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
bsphil wrote:
FilthMcNasty wrote:
I wouldn't get an SSD just because I don't care about windows index and it's minimal performance relating to gaming.
SSDs for the windows index? Are you serious?

SSDs are glorious for any PC, and if you don't understand that, you haven't used a SSD. Especially if you're comparing it to a 5400 rpm HDD. Those are really sad.


Just not worth the price gap for the performance it offers and the limited space available compared to a cheap 7200 RPM HDD, especially not when it comes to games. I'm not saying it is a bad investment. I just don't find value in it personally.


An SSD (configured correctly!! sataII/III AHCI only please!) is the single greatest improvement you could make to any modern computer. It makes everything, even games, zippy and fun again. Its like you've been upgrading your CPU/RAM all these years but little did you realize that the bottleneck, all along, has been the Hard Drive. Then finally you put in an SSD and BAM your computer is finally functioning at full power, the floodgates are open, you've seen the light.

I can't emphasize how wonderful a performance increase it is. It is so so so so so worth it.

I love bsphil's word 'Glorious' lol I would agree completely.
#2132 Nov 01 2011 at 11:38 AM Rating: Decent
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
bsphil wrote:
FilthMcNasty wrote:
I wouldn't get an SSD just because I don't care about windows index and it's minimal performance relating to gaming.
SSDs for the windows index? Are you serious?

SSDs are glorious for any PC, and if you don't understand that, you haven't used a SSD. Especially if you're comparing it to a 5400 rpm HDD. Those are really sad.


Bolded for emphasis.

An SSD is the only thing I could do to improve my windows index score which is why I mentioned it. Would I like to load windows faster? Sure. Would I like to load levels for games faster? Not really. I end up having to wait for everyone else to load anyway.

Just not worth the price gap for the performance it offers and the limited space available compared to a cheap 7200 RPM HDD, especially not when it comes to games. I'm not saying it is a bad investment. I just don't find value in it personally.
So you haven't used a SSD.
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#2133 Nov 01 2011 at 4:49 PM Rating: Decent
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hatari5200 wrote:
An SSD (configured correctly!! sataII/III AHCI only please!) is the single greatest improvement you could make to any modern computer. It makes everything, even games, zippy and fun again.


All an SSD does for games is allows faster loading. It it completely dependent on the game, but for the most part it will have little effect. In most games I play it has almost no effect.

I'll use BF3 as an example since I'm playing a lot of it lately. If I'm just joining a game then sure, I might get in a few seconds faster. If a new round is starting there is a timer before anyone is allowed to move around the map anyway so it's pointless. I get to watch the timer tick down from a higher number. Wheeee! Situational.

bsphil wrote:
So you haven't used a SSD.

Of course I have. I wouldn't spout off about them if I hadn't at least had a chance to see a few in action. I have built several PCs for people who demanded them so I set them up and had a chance to do a side by side comparison with the HDD I have.

I get the feeling that you guys somehow think I'm bashing them or warning people to stay away at all costs. That is not the case. I'm just pointing out that for the money, you could get better overall performance as it relates to XIV by upgrading elsewhere.
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#2134 Nov 01 2011 at 8:17 PM Rating: Decent
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I get the feeling that you guys somehow think I'm bashing them or warning people to stay away at all costs. That is not the case. I'm just pointing out that for the money, you could get better overall performance as it relates to XIV by upgrading elsewhere.
You really shouldn't be upgrading a PC solely for XIV.
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#2135 Nov 01 2011 at 8:36 PM Rating: Decent
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bsphil wrote:
FilthMcNasty wrote:
I get the feeling that you guys somehow think I'm bashing them or warning people to stay away at all costs. That is not the case. I'm just pointing out that for the money, you could get better overall performance as it relates to XIV by upgrading elsewhere.
You really shouldn't be upgrading a PC solely for XIV.


Preaching to the choir.(see various 'wait for PS3' posts I've made)

I couldn't agree more. However, the fact is that we are posting in a 43 page thread about building computers in a Final Fantasy XIV forum. The majority of the posts are going to be aimed at maximizing your performance in that game or at the very least, gaming in general. Otherwise we'd be somewhere else comparing geekbench/cinebench/PCMark/ect. scores like enthusiasts.

If you go back to the original post I responded to it was XIV related and all my posts since then have been in regards to SSD performance as it relates to gaming. Most people here spent way too much getting way too little out of their rigs. Of all the things you could upgrade to make the most out of your gaming experience, HDD to SSD is definitely not first on the list performance/dollar wise.




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#2136 Nov 14 2011 at 4:44 AM Rating: Decent
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I am on a budget and desperately want to play ffxiv again. I was in the beta but my computer fried out and I ended up w/ a laptop that won't play the game so am taking the plunge and buying another desktop. Again, I am on a budget and want to know if this system will run the game efficiently. Thank you all in advance :)




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Power Supply Upgrade: 600 Watts - XtremeGear Power Supply - SLI/CrossFireX Ready

Hard Drive: 60 GB OCZ Agility 3 SATA III 6.0Gb/s SSD - 525MB/s Read & 475MB/s Write (Single Drive)

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I would just point out that there will(hopefully) be a vast difference between how the same PC performs now vs post 2.0 for XIV. My advice here will be pretty consistent with what it has been over the past year and a half.

Wait. If you don't need a PC right now then your best option is to wait it out. Unless you find something you'll never see again on Black Friday, it doesn't make sense to build a PC for XIV when technically it hasn't been released yet. That being said, if you're still gung ho about it then here's my take on your current list...

The AMD processor has nice base clocks which will work well for XIV. You won't need liquid unless you plan on overclocking so stick to stock fans and you can save a few bucks there.

While they are nice to have for daily use, SSD doesn't have a measurable difference in gaming. A 7200 RPM HDD will serve you just as well, but you'll want one to compliment the SSD if you do go that route so you'll have somewhere to store photos, music and movies, work projects ect.

8GB of RAM is overkill and unless you're doing pretty serious editing or rendering you wouldn't see much difference there either. 4GB is plenty for normal day to day tasks including gaming.

I don't see a power supply listed. Unless one comes with the case then make sure you give yourself a healthy overhead. If you are considering adding a second GPU for crossfire then also take that into consideration.


It looks like a nice build, but without knowing the recommended specs for 2.0 and with the second batch of sandybridge processors from Intel due early next year, I'd stick with what you have if it works.
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#2138 Nov 14 2011 at 11:04 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't see a power supply listed.
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Not necessarily bad, but I've never heard of the brand before, which is often bad. 600 watts is sufficient though.
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#2139 Nov 17 2011 at 11:48 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm thinking about playing FFXIV and I wanted to make sure this computer I plan to build would be able to run the game well before I buy the components. Any comments or advice would be appreciated. The goal is to keep the cost below $1,000.

AMD Phenom II X4 3.6GHZ
BIOSTAR A870U3 Motherboard
G.SKILL 1333 8GB(2x4) Memory
XFX Radeon HD 6870 1GB Video Card
OCZ 60GB SSD
Silverstone 600W Power Supply

These components and my case, keyboard, and monitor total $900. Would this setup be able to run the game well? Would it be worth it to get two video cards for an extra $160?

Your help is greatly appreciated.
#2140 Nov 18 2011 at 1:48 AM Rating: Good
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Unless you're doing rendering or something like that you don't really need 8GB of RAM. 4GB should be fine.

Processor speed is the most important thing for performance in XIV currently. What you have will work fine and your GPU is good enough to run at moderate settings too.

SDD is a bit small unless you already have another hard drive you plan on using with it. If all you plan to do with this PC is play XIV then it'll be fine, but if you're going to use it for other programs or storing movies, music and pictures then you'll want something bigger.

Other than that it looks good.
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#2141 Nov 18 2011 at 8:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Thank you. Would you say I'm better off using around $100 upgrading my CPU or upgrading my GPU? Also would it be better to get a grade better GPU or to get two?
#2142 Nov 18 2011 at 4:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Thank you. Would you say I'm better off using around $100 upgrading my CPU or upgrading my GPU? Also would it be better to get a grade better GPU or to get two?


Personally I'd leave it as is and put the $100 toward a HDD. 60GB isn't really enough space for me, but I guess it would work if XIV is all you plan on using this PC for.

What you listed is good enough and XIV is so poorly optimized that you won't see a noticeable difference with only $100. Gun to my head I'd say CPU though. Without knowing exactly which model AMD processor you're looking at I'd guess it's around $120-150. It would take you another $200 to upgrade to the Intel 2600 which is about the best performance you can get for the money.

Outside of that, you could get an aftermarket cooler for your CPU and overclock it. That's gonna be the cheapest option for performance upgrades.
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#2143 Nov 18 2011 at 6:44 PM Rating: Decent
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The computer will be used exclusively for WoW and FFXIV and maybe an occasional other PC game. I have a laptop I use for pretty much everything else and a media server for big files. I've actually decided to go down a different path. I'm going to spend a bit more to future proof this computer in the hope that it can handle FFXIV 2.0 or easily be upgraded so it can handle it decently.

This is the setup, I'd love some comments. Sorry for the change up:

$45: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB 1600 DDR3 (it's not much of a savings to get 4GB, so I kept the 8GB).
$110: BIOSTAR TZ68A+ Motherboard
$320: Intel i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHZ
$43: ZALMAN Heatsink/Fan
$170: SanDisk Ultra 120GB SSD (should be enough room for system, WoW, FFXIV and another game or two)
$110: Cooler Master Silent Pro 700W Power Supply
$310: Sapphire Radeon HD 6970 2GB

This setup with a case, monitor, and keyboard totals $1,414.00 I can spend up to $1,500 so I have a bit of room for additional upgrades but I'm not sure what to get other than a slightly better video card. I figure if FFXIV 2.0 doesn't run too well on this, I can throw in another graphic card (hopefully cheaper in a year) to keep up with the game's demand.

I have two technical questions though. This is my motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138319

It lists my expansion slots as "PCI Express 2.0 x16" with "2 (x16, x4)" next to it. Does that mean one is x16, the other is x4? I'm curious because I figure they'd both need to be x16 to accept a second video card.

The second question is my video card says it is "PCI Express 2.1 x16" but my motherboard only has PCI Express 2.0 x16. Are those essentially the same thing?

Thanks again for all the help.
#2144 Nov 20 2011 at 1:25 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm not too familiar with Biostar, but everything looks fine just for running WoW/XIV.

One thing to keep in mind is that if you do throw in another GPU you'll want to have a better PSU to cover the power it'll use. A 1000W PSU will probably run you around $200.

As for the PCI slots, they are compatible so there won't be any issue there.
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#2145 Nov 21 2011 at 7:34 AM Rating: Default
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If you have 300-600 dollars to shell out, I would strongly suggest an i5 2500k.
You can purchase an intel motherboard for 100-200 dollars, i5 2500k for 214 dollars and 8g ddr3 ram for 44 dollars.
If you already have ram, you save yourself 44 bucks.
If you don't want to overclock, get yourself a 100 dollar motherboard and get the i5 2500 for 10 bucks less?
300 bucks is all you need for an absurd boost in PC performance.
Add an SSD for some absurd speeds (up to 500r/w speeds and up to 900 with raid 0)

If you're still using a phenom II, I feel sorry for you.
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I second the i5 2500k. I wrestled with getting an i7 2600k but for gaming it just doesn't do anything. Sink some of the extra money into a motherboard. A $200 Gigabyte, Asrock, Asus board will be alot better than Biostar. And why not put the other 20-40 into getting a Corsair liquid cooling unit. I have the H80 and its great! Super easy to install, extremely cool. I'm over clocking my 2500k to 4.4Ghz now and it keeps it in the low 40's under full load.

Definitely eep the 8GB - I run FFXIV in a window sometimes and have lots of stuff going on in the background. For instance, right now my RAM is at 4.47GB used and I'm not even running FFXIV!! So it is nice to have.

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#2147 Nov 21 2011 at 12:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Definitely eep the 8GB - I run FFXIV in a window sometimes and have lots of stuff going on in the background. For instance, right now my RAM is at 4.47GB used and I'm not even running FFXIV!! So it is nice to have.
How exactly are you pulling that off? I struggle to hit more than 3 GB of usage out of 6 GB on my laptop for work/school.
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#2148 Nov 21 2011 at 6:37 PM Rating: Decent
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I ended up going with the following setup:

i5 2500k
Gigabyte GA-Z68P-UD3
2x4 GB G.SKILL 1600 DDR3 RAM
Crucial 128 GB SSD Drive
Hyper 212 CPU Heatsink and Fan
Corsair Enthusiast 850TXV2 PSU
EVGA GTX 570 1280 VRAM Video Card
Fractal Design Arc Case
ASUS 23" 2ms LCD
Microsoft X4 Keyboard
Some other misc, stuff

The board has the power and space to SLI a second GTX 570 in a year when version 2.0 comes out and I figure I can over clock the CPU if needed then since the i5 is supposed to be very good for over clocking. So I think I should be set for at least 3 years of high end gaming with this rig. Thanks all for your great advice.
#2149 Nov 22 2011 at 8:48 AM Rating: Decent
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I ended up going with the following setup:

i5 2500k
Gigabyte GA-Z68P-UD3
2x4 GB G.SKILL 1600 DDR3 RAM
Crucial 128 GB SSD Drive
Hyper 212 CPU Heatsink and Fan
Corsair Enthusiast 850TXV2 PSU
EVGA GTX 570 1280 VRAM Video Card
Fractal Design Arc Case
ASUS 23" 2ms LCD
Microsoft X4 Keyboard
Some other misc, stuff

The board has the power and space to SLI a second GTX 570 in a year when version 2.0 comes out and I figure I can over clock the CPU if needed then since the i5 is supposed to be very good for over clocking. So I think I should be set for at least 3 years of high end gaming with this rig. Thanks all for your great advice.


Nice. You can pretty much own anything they can throw at you. Ivybridge will be OVERKILL for a very long time.
Make sure you install Windows 7 and any games you're going to play, on the SSD. Make sure TRIM is enabled and try to minimize the amount of junk that goes in there. These things are amazing.
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#2150 Nov 22 2011 at 12:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Thank you. I will do that, I wasn't even aware of TRIM before.

Would it be helpful to over clock my CPU for FFXIV in its current state? I've read that I can over clock to about 4.5GHZ without any issues with my current board.
#2151 Nov 22 2011 at 5:02 PM Rating: Good
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If you've never overclocked before, don't plan on maxing out your CPU the first time. Read up about OCing on the web. Your hardware sounds good. I use the same CPU cooler (it's excellent, but noisy). You can achieve a pretty good OC without even touching the voltage. Learn to use the hardware monitor and watch the temps, and use Prime 95 to stress test. As a matter of fact, learn to use the tools before you do ANY OCing. Good luck! Smiley: smile
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