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#2152 Nov 22 2011 at 5:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks, I did hear the complaint about noise from the fan. I'm kind of curious if I can buy a quieter fan and install it on the heatsink. Either way, I got a quiet case, so hopefully the noise level won't be too terrible.

I appreciate the good advice. I plan to read up on everything including the manuals before I even assemble the goods. It'll be hard to rein in my eagerness to play though. Good think I assemble on Saturday so I'll know I have all of Sunday to play if the assembly and patch take all day.
#2153 Nov 22 2011 at 9:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Personally I'd pass on overclocking. You'll get minimal performance increase and the 2500-k runs well enough on it's own to handle normal settings in XIV without it. Overclocking is something you'd want to read enough about that you actually feel experienced before you try it.

Build your rig and allow your CPU enough time to settle into the thermal paste before you attempt it.
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#2154 Nov 23 2011 at 10:54 AM Rating: Good
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Learn to use what you already have. If the hardware/OCing bug is still with you after that, you might check out the Corsair Hydro series. I've had my eye on the H80 lately, quiet and efficient.
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#2155 Nov 23 2011 at 12:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Automatic overclocking has made some pretty strong leaps over the years. You should be able to just select a percentage overclock from the BIOS or even through Windows and the clock speeds/voltages/etc. will be set for you on any decent, modern mobo.
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#2156 Dec 09 2011 at 5:28 PM Rating: Default
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I'm looking to upgrade my computer but don't want to spend to much. Any help would be great

Motherboard: Asus P5k-E
Processor: Intel core 2 4300@ 1.8 X2
Ram: 2gb
Video Card: 9600 GSO
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#2157 Dec 09 2011 at 7:22 PM Rating: Decent
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korthos wrote:
I'm looking to upgrade my computer but don't want to spend to much. Any help would be great

Motherboard: Asus P5k-E
Processor: Intel core 2 4300@ 1.8 X2
Ram: 2gb
Video Card: 9600 GSO


[Insert the obligatory 'Don't get a PC now unless you need it for other things' comment here]

Since you're posting on the XIV forums, I'm assuming you are upgrading to play XIV...

If at all possible, avoid trying to upgrade just yet since they are overhauling the graphics engine.

If you decide you absolutely have to do it now, there is good news and bad news. Bad news first, upgrading your CPU will require a new motherboard and probably RAM as well. The good news is that since you know you'd have to replace almost everything, it makes the decision to wait easier.

If you want specifics on which CPU or what GPU to get you probably should include your budget. It makes it easier to make the best suggestions for you.
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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#2158 Dec 09 2011 at 9:05 PM Rating: Default
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I have been playing for about a month and i get slight lag when running through Ul'dah. I really dont want to spend more than $200.00 if possible but its not looking good by the way you make it sound
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#2160 Dec 17 2011 at 9:18 AM Rating: Good
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AkumaOkami wrote:
Alllmost positive this will run XIV quite well, what do you think?


Everything looks OK but the GPU choice is questionable. The GTX 460s are the same price if not cheaper and perform better than the 550s. Being a 5xx series you'd think it would outperform the 4xx but check the info I posted in another thread...

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The first number is the series. Basically all of the 4xx for nVidia are from one model of GPU and the same for the ATI 5xxx or 6xxx.

Think of the second number as like a rating that goes up on a scale from zero to nine. 0-4 range are the entry level GPUs, 5-6 will be for average people who want more features and a bit of performance, and the 7-9 are for people who want the overclocked/liquidcooled crank the settings up and laugh GPUs.


Basically the way it works out is that the x60 beats the x50, the x80 beats the x60... ect.

The main difference is the architecture of the 500 series allows them to consume less power than 400 series. The PSU you have would allow you to go with the 460 instead if you chose too. Just something to think about.




Edited, Dec 17th 2011 10:19am by FilthMcNasty
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#2161 Dec 17 2011 at 2:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Wow, thank you actually. That was extremely helpful. I've always wondered what the numbers meant and just assumed a X 5 would be better than an X 4.

Much appreciated, maybe I'll go with a 460 or 480.
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#2162 Dec 19 2011 at 4:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Went with a 470 ^_^b
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#2163 Dec 19 2011 at 9:36 PM Rating: Good
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Good choice, you'll be happy with that GPU^^
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#2164 Jan 01 2012 at 12:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Right now my computer has an AMD Athlon 64 x 2 Dual Core Processor 4800+ (2.5 GHz), 2 gigs of ram and a RADEON HD 6870 gpu.

i realize the processor would be better off with an upgrade, as well as the ram. is it necessary or will ffxiv run okay and not completely crappy?

also, from the research i've found my processor has an AM2 socket, or socket 940. do i have any decent options to upgrade to or would upgrading my mobo be a necessity as well? Any suggestions would be helpful.
#2165 Jan 01 2012 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Right now my computer has an AMD Athlon 64 x 2 Dual Core Processor 4800+ (2.5 GHz), 2 gigs of ram and a RADEON HD 6870 gpu.

i realize the processor would be better off with an upgrade, as well as the ram. is it necessary or will ffxiv run okay and not completely crappy?

also, from the research i've found my processor has an AM2 socket, or socket 940. do i have any decent options to upgrade to or would upgrading my mobo be a necessity as well? Any suggestions would be helpful.


The GPU is more than adequate, but your current CPU is what is holding you back. It's just above the minimum required for XIV to run at all so it'll always be an issue. Unfortunately the other options you have for those socket types are more side-grade than upgrade. Luckily, upgrading isn't too expensive if you want to stay with the AMD platform. The other option is upgrading to one of the Intel sandy bridge processors which will cost more money, but you get what you pay for.

My best cheap suggestion is getting one of the AMD Phenom x4 processors(970, 975 or 980 being the best), a new mobo and some RAM. The processors run around $150 to $180 and you can find a mobo and RAM to go with for around $350 total.

My best performance suggestion is getting the Intel 2600K processor and building around that. The processor itself is ~$300 so it'll be a more expensive build, but if you want top performance in a reasonable price range then you'd be best off with that.

Whatever you decide the best increase to performance for you will be processor clock speed. I suggested the AMDs because they have high base speeds and can be overclocked fairly easily if needed. 3.4GHz is about the speed you'll want for base.
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30 bucks is almost free

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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#2166 Jan 01 2012 at 1:20 PM Rating: Decent
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The GPU is more than adequate, but your current CPU is what is holding you back. It's just above the minimum required for XIV to run at all so it'll always be an issue. Unfortunately the other options you have for those socket types are more side-grade than upgrade. Luckily, upgrading isn't too expensive if you want to stay with the AMD platform. The other option is upgrading to one of the Intel sandy bridge processors which will cost more money, but you get what you pay for.

My best cheap suggestion is getting one of the AMD Phenom x4 processors(970, 975 or 980 being the best), a new mobo and some RAM. The processors run around $150 to $180 and you can find a mobo and RAM to go with for around $350 total.

My best performance suggestion is getting the Intel 2600K processor and building around that. The processor itself is ~$300 so it'll be a more expensive build, but if you want top performance in a reasonable price range then you'd be best off with that.

Whatever you decide the best increase to performance for you will be processor clock speed. I suggested the AMDs because they have high base speeds and can be overclocked fairly easily if needed. 3.4GHz is about the speed you'll want for base.


I've been looking around and found a few things i've been thinking of doing, but my main concerns are this: if i upgrade to a new motherbaord and processor, will it still fit my old case, or would i be better off buying a new one (which i have no problem in doing) and, im looking to upgrade for both quality, and a system that will last me a good few years in the gaming scheme of things.

the processor i've been looking at is the core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06 Ghz LGA 1366 130w Quad Core, my question about this is, would i be better off spending that extra 40$ and just going for the sandy bridge you listed or would this processor suffice my needs? i dont need an extremely badass rig, but i wont lie, it would be awesome to have.

also, the motherboard i think i've decided on is an EVGA 131-GT-E767-TR LGA 1366 Intel X58 SLI 3 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard, which newegg lists at about $189 Any thoughts about this one? or is there a better one out there for my money?

Also, as i start this adventure of upgrading, i plan to, by the end of everything, have built a new PC. Is it safe to assume that i can do this one step at a time? Starting with the mobo and cpu and then moving forward from there, so im not out of a computer until the process is complete.
#2167 Jan 01 2012 at 10:12 PM Rating: Decent
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crom98 wrote:
the processor i've been looking at is the core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06 Ghz LGA 1366 130w Quad Core, my question about this is, would i be better off spending that extra 40$ and just going for the sandy bridge you listed or would this processor suffice my needs?


It would satisfy the requirements, but the 2600K has higher clocks which XIV is hungry for and pretty much destroys the 950 in most benchmarks. It will probably only pump out a few extra FPS, but for anything else you do you'll easily notice the difference. I'd say spend it if you've got it. The 2600K might be more expensive, but it's more powerful and actually consumes less power than the 950 so you'll make that $40 back in electricity bills in the long run :P

As far as the mobo, EVGA makes quality ****. Great service, quick and easy RMA if you ever have problems and forums that are way more active than these with helpful and friendly people.

You can't really build one step at a time. If you upgrade your processor to either of the ones you listed you'd need a new mobo to support that socket type and also new RAM. Those almost always go together unless you start upgrading on a yearly basis and don't have to go from one socket type to the next. Anything else could be added as long as your mobo has support for it, but those core components should almost always be upgraded together if it's been a while.

Start with CPU, mobo and RAM. If you're OK with your storage and CD/DVD drive then your only other concerns are a power supply unit and a case. A better PSU might be needed if you plan on adding stuff like a second GPU. A new case might also be a good idea at some point. The 6xxx series GPUs draw more power and create more heat so it's nice to keep everything cool in the summer.


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#2168 Jan 02 2012 at 4:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Good computer cases are cheap (I skimmed your post, you might no longer be having a question about your case.) Get a midsize. You can find nice midsizes for around 50 dollars.

The difference between good cases and GREAT cases is like 100 dollars though.
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#2169 Jan 05 2012 at 10:32 PM Rating: Decent
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AkumaOkami wrote:
The difference between good cases and GREAT cases is like 100 dollars though.
Care to elaborate on the differences (price aside)?
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#2170 Jan 19 2012 at 8:23 PM Rating: Decent
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How is amd athlon II x4 640? I can't really afford any intel builds, but i currently have my eye on a custom build and this processor is the only option. Should i try to get a AMD fx-4100?
Both are quad core, the athlon is 3.00 GHz and the fx-4100 is 3.60 GHz
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How is amd athlon II x4 640? I can't really afford any intel builds, but i currently have my eye on a custom build and this processor is the only option. Should i try to get a AMD fx-4100?
Both are quad core, the athlon is 3.00 GHz and the fx-4100 is 3.60 GHz


AMD's fallen behind in terms of performance dramatically the past few years in comparison to Intel. Instead of being a top-notch CPU at a budget price you're now actually getting a budget CPU at a budget price. Even for what you pay for the system you still won't get your performance:money in comparison to pretty much any of the i-series.

The new Bulldozer's specs aren't making their future look that much brighter either.


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#2172 Jan 20 2012 at 12:30 PM Rating: Decent
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nanoshpi wrote:
How is amd athlon II x4 640? I can't really afford any intel builds, but i currently have my eye on a custom build and this processor is the only option. Should i try to get a AMD fx-4100?
Both are quad core, the athlon is 3.00 GHz and the fx-4100 is 3.60 GHz


Intel's I3-2100 is comparable in price(maybe $20 more) and beats both of the AMD processors you listed. You might consider that option also.

If your only choice is between the two you listed then go with the 4100.
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30 bucks is almost free

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#2173 Jan 21 2012 at 11:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok i have been looking to upgrade but thats not really an option so i guess im gonna build a new one. I was looking at an Amd Fx-6100 6 core but as i was reading the comments alot of people said that a 6 core isnt really any better than a 4 core, is that true for running ffxiv?

So the Quad core i was looking at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103923

motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131767

My brain is fried and cant make sence of video cards right now but i was looking at the sapphire ones. Any help would be great, thank you.
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#2174 Jan 22 2012 at 3:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok i have been looking to upgrade but thats not really an option so i guess im gonna build a new one. I was looking at an Amd Fx-6100 6 core but as i was reading the comments alot of people said that a 6 core isnt really any better than a 4 core, is that true for running ffxiv?

XIV doesn't make use of more than a few cores and it performs better based on your processor speed. Hex core processors generally run at slower clock speeds than quad cores so you'd be better off with a quad.

The processor you listed would work well. The mobo... well I'm biased because ASUS support did me wrong several times, but the features it has are solid.
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30 bucks is almost free

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#2175 Jan 22 2012 at 3:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for the info, I will post the rest of the build so i can get some feedback when i can
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korthos wrote:
Ok i have been looking to upgrade but thats not really an option so i guess im gonna build a new one. I was looking at an Amd Fx-6100 6 core but as i was reading the comments alot of people said that a 6 core isnt really any better than a 4 core, is that true for running ffxiv?

So the Quad core i was looking at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103923

motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131767

My brain is fried and cant make sence of video cards right now but i was looking at the sapphire ones. Any help would be great, thank you.



I heard the same thing about the FX - as I was thinking about using one in the new PC I am building. My friend and I have been sending newegg builds back and forth a bit between optimized builds and budget builds.

I'm going to read over this thread a bit more and decide what I want to use, kinda up in the air at this point. The only thing I know I want is a SSD. :3
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People seem to be discussing cheaper CPU solutions a lot here right now. Just want to throw out that the i3 2120 has shown some pretty amazing gaming performance for the price you pay. I think a lot of people glance over it because it's "only" a dual core processor, but that doesn't stop it from outperforming some 4 and 6 core processors in overall gaming performance (and at the end of the day, overall performance is what matters). It also has the advantage of being a 1155 socket chip which allows for some nice upgrade options if you want to upgrade in the future without replacing the motherboard. A few performance tests that show what I'm talking about.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/44339-intel-core-i3-2120-core-i5-2400-lga1155-processors-review-12.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu-core-i3-2100-phenom-ii-x6-1075t,2859-10.html

Not a be all end all chip for budget builds by any means, but definitely something to consider especially for those who won't be overclocking.
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People seem to be discussing cheaper CPU solutions a lot here right now. Just want to throw out that the i3 2120 has shown some pretty amazing gaming performance for the price you pay. I think a lot of people glance over it because it's "only" a dual core processor, but that doesn't stop it from outperforming some 4 and 6 core processors in overall gaming performance (and at the end of the day, overall performance is what matters). It also has the advantage of being a 1155 socket chip which allows for some nice upgrade options if you want to upgrade in the future without replacing the motherboard. A few performance tests that show what I'm talking about.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/44339-intel-core-i3-2120-core-i5-2400-lga1155-processors-review-12.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu-core-i3-2100-phenom-ii-x6-1075t,2859-10.html

Not a be all end all chip for budget builds by any means, but definitely something to consider especially for those who won't be overclocking.
I'd warn against comparing those game engines to a MMO, particularly to FFXIV. It's tougher on the CPU than the average PC video game is.

For gaming in general, it's fine.

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I looked around to see if I could find any modern CPU reviews that included FFXIV but unfortunately I couldn't find any. Here is one review that mentions the i3 2100 (a bit lower priced and slightly slower than the 2120 I mentioned before) performing quite well in WoW, which while it isn't FFXIV, it's the only MMO I could find mentioned in a CPU review.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i7-2600k-i5-2500k-core-i3-2100-tested/20

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korthos wrote:
Ok i have been looking to upgrade but thats not really an option so i guess im gonna build a new one. I was looking at an Amd Fx-6100 6 core but as i was reading the comments alot of people said that a 6 core isnt really any better than a 4 core, is that true for running ffxiv?

So the Quad core i was looking at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103923

motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131767

My brain is fried and cant make sence of video cards right now but i was looking at the sapphire ones. Any help would be great, thank you.



I heard the same thing about the FX - as I was thinking about using one in the new PC I am building. My friend and I have been sending newegg builds back and forth a bit between optimized builds and budget builds.

I'm going to read over this thread a bit more and decide what I want to use, kinda up in the air at this point. The only thing I know I want is a SSD. :3


I have the AMD phenom II x6 1055t (so, the six core but not the newer 6xxx or 8xxx bulldozer series chips).
It's been awhile since I've seen a lot of comparisons and anecdotes but I'd say this 6 core does make a difference. What I found to make more of a difference for me though was upgrading to an SSD for FFXIV and windows installs. Every time I ran through a crowded area you'd get the REDLIGHT/GREENLIGHT stop-and-go crap as new character models were loaded. the SSD made that smooth as butter.

If you can't get your hands on a 890fx chipset motherboard and one of the phenom II x6 cpu's, the 6100 is probably the next best bet for 150-160$ price tag, with something like the biostar 990fx board. They aren't as popular as other motherboard brands but they have nothing but high quality stuff. Like when people say 'oh well it's just a standard 4+2 power phase, don't OC on it' what they really mean is you shouldn't OC on a 4+2 unless it's quality stuff, which is all biostar does. :O http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138341

Also do not forget about overclocking. A decent air cooler heatsink or one of the new H## water-cooler kits is the best bet to make a budget cpu beefy. the coolermaster hyper+ 212 is probably the best bet at around 20-30$. There was another one that had better temps and same price and flatter base but I can't, for the life of me, remember the name of it at the moment. It didn't have the heatpipes directly on the base. That's all I can remember. D:

Video cards:
The best bang-for-the-buck cards at the moment are:
The Nvidia 560 Ti (244.99$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121424
Or the AMD 6950 (240~270$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709&IsNodeId=1&Description=6950&bop=And&Order=RATING&PageSize=20

Both cards have several brands and styles, but If you go with the 6950 I recommend a 2 GB version and/or the ASUS//MSI/XFX brands and maaybe gigabyte. Other brands like sparkle, sapphire, zotac are good if you never plan to overclock the graphics card. They are brands that don't always have easy to access, quick to respond customer service. You may end up with having no issues and the card be perfect, but be weary otherwise.

If you dig a little deeper and search via model number and know what to look for...might be able to find a 6950 that can be flashed to the 6970 bios and unlock shaders which can significantly improve performance. It's like buying the 6970, a card almost 100$ more in price and performance to boot. Unfortunately most on newegg are laser-cut so as to prevent this. Gotta dig around forums like overclock.net or overclockers.com to figure out which 6950s can be flashed to the 6970. if you're even considering the move at all. XD If you aren't THAT savvy/brave(it's scary o.o) then I would just stick with the 560 Ti from nvidia. 448 cores or not. just don't get one that does not have the Ti suffix as that means the card is a slower version.

Sub 200$, look for the following...
Nvidia GTX 460 1gb $170
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130752
AMD 6870 1gb $150~190
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&N=100006662&isNodeId=1&Description=6870&x=0&y=0


If you notice when I linked the nvidia cards I link specific cards. These are the best amongst what is available on newegg. The same brand names apply to the AMD cards. XFX, MSI, EVGA, ASUS first when available...others when price beats out all.

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All looks good. Should keep you at a nice balance. Good choice on the PSU, the only part that -must- be no expenses spared, good brand good quality and ya nailed it. :D When you have it all together after using your favorite computer-assembly tutorial, run a few stress tests such as linpak or my personal favorite, OCCT(pretty neat lil all in one program) http://www.ocbase.com/perestroika_en/

Get all of your installations and updates done, have fun with it for a bit, then come back for overclocking if you're feeling adventurous(or if something isn't snappy enough to your liking). If you are happy with how things run, then let it be. =D
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Maybe I'm missing something, but is there a reason this DVD drive is so expensive? I've seen faster drives for less than half this from some decent brands. For example: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827100058 and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204

Oh, and don't take this as criticism. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. If I'm right, I might save you money. =P Just trying to help.

EDIT: BTW, you could get a 500gb HDD for the same price as the 250gb one you have listed. Here's one from the same brand for $5 more. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148767 And here's another from a different brand even cheaper and with a $10 of promo code. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145299

Edited, Jan 29th 2012 2:13am by Susanoh
#2184 Jan 29 2012 at 8:31 PM Rating: Decent
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by the time i got to hd and dvd i just want ed to done alrdy so didnt spend alot of time looking but thank you for the other option i will be getting a cheaper one for sure.
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My laptop display died a few months ago, and I've been getting by just using my Android-based tablet since then (and anything that required an actual computer I did on my desktop at work). I've been fine with this setup, but now my tablet is having some issues too. So I've been thinking about either getting a new laptop or maybe building a desktop. I'm leaning toward the laptop. I would also like to get back into playing FFXIV, which I haven't played for about the past year.

Is anybody aware of a better laptop for a similar price, or a similar laptop for a better price, than this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834230141

In addition to the good hardware etc, one of my favorite things about this particular laptop, according to the reviews at least, is that it apparently has a very good cooling system. The reason I quit playing FFXIV was because my last laptop, while it could play the game on decent settings, would get so ridiculously hot while playing that the game would become unplayably slow while the graphics card cooled itself down for about 1 minute at a time every 2-3 minutes.

This seems like the best deal I'm gonna find without spending a fair bit more money. Any thoughts?

I would also be interested to hear if anybody has an opinion of the Sager NP8130. For a little less money, I could configure it to have the same specs as the Asus above, except that the 560M on the Sager would be 1.5gb with 192 bit bandwidth while the Asus has 2gb with 128 bit bandwidth.

To further complicated matters, I also just discovered the MSI 16F2-012. I can configure that to have the exact same specs as the Sager but with a GTX570M instead of GTX 560M, but it will cost a couple hundred more.

So the 3 options (unless somebody suggests something better) are:

1. Asus with the worst GPU - $1199+$15 shipping
2. Sager with better 560M - $1129+free shipping
3. MSI with 570M - $1308+free shipping

I think I can eliminate the Asus. But do you think the 570M is worth $180 over the $560M? Or I could get the Sager and upgrade the CPU to a i7 2760 instead of i7 2670 for about the same price as the MSI.

Edited, Feb 27th 2012 1:23pm by KaishenRamuh
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#2186 Mar 03 2012 at 2:57 PM Rating: Decent
Thinking about this spec for my new PC and if anyone has any idea (roughly) of what level of settings I will be able to manage and what fps etc that would be great.
Also is it really worth overclocking my CPU? I would prefer not to bother with the heat, noise and expense unless its really really absolutely needed.

Case
FRACTAL DESIGN R3 - BLACK PEARL CASE
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core (3.40GHz, 8MB Cache) + HD Graphics
Motherboard
ASUS® P8Z68-V/GEN3: PCI-E 3.0 READY, SLI, CROSSFIREX
Memory (RAM)
8GB SAMSUNG DUAL-DDR3 1333MHz (2 X 4GB)
Graphics Card
1.25GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 570 - 2 DVI, HDMI, DP - 3D Vision Ready
Memory - 1st Hard Disk
120GB KINGSTON HYPERX SSD, SATA 6 Gb/s (upto 555MB/sR | 510MB/sW)
2nd Hard Disk
1TB SEAGATE Barracuda SATA 6Gb/s HDD, 32MB Cache (7200rpm)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 650W ENTHUSIAST SERIES™ TX650 V2-80 PLUS® BRONZE
Processor Cooling
TITAN FENRIR EVO EXTREME HEATPIPE CPU COOLER

Not building it myself ( I suppose I could... ) I am mainly wondering about the CPU and GPU combo, but all opinions are welcome.
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#2187 Mar 03 2012 at 4:33 PM Rating: Good
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triplealphareaction wrote:
Also is it really worth overclocking my CPU? I would prefer not to bother with the heat, noise and expense unless its really really absolutely needed.


Just as a note, you've already taken care of the expense. "K" series CPUs are expensive units with unlocked multipliers that are meant for enthusiast overclockers. It looks like you've already got a way to deal with the heat and noise too, since you said you're getting an aftermarket CPU cooler. Your Asus motherboard looks like it'd be more than capable of giving you a decent overclock. You don't have to overclock your CPU and it should still run things just fine, but it looks like you're paying extra for parts that are typically bought with the intention of overclocking.
#2188 Mar 03 2012 at 5:45 PM Rating: Decent
Susanoh wrote:
triplealphareaction wrote:
Also is it really worth overclocking my CPU? I would prefer not to bother with the heat, noise and expense unless its really really absolutely needed.


Just as a note, you've already taken care of the expense. "K" series CPUs are expensive units with unlocked multipliers that are meant for enthusiast overclockers. It looks like you've already got a way to deal with the heat and noise too, since you said you're getting an aftermarket CPU cooler. Your Asus motherboard looks like it'd be more than capable of giving you a decent overclock. You don't have to overclock your CPU and it should still run things just fine, but it looks like you're paying extra for parts that are typically bought with the intention of overclocking.


Heh I suppose I have at that lol but the k series plus an aftermarket cooler are hardly any extra money anyway so I will most likely get em "just in case".
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#2189 Mar 05 2012 at 2:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Hi everyone, getting a new pc soon with the hope of being able to play FF14 on medium/high settings comfortably.
These are the specs. I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me how well this pc would perform. Many thanks :)

CPU:Intel Core™ i5-2320 3 GHz
GPU:1GB GeForce GTX 555
RAM: 8GB 1333MHz RAM

#2190 Mar 05 2012 at 2:58 PM Rating: Decent
kiimiiko wrote:
Hi everyone, getting a new pc soon with the hope of being able to play FF14 on medium/high settings comfortably.
These are the specs. I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me how well this pc would perform. Many thanks :)

CPU:Intel Core™ i5-2320 3 GHz
GPU:1GB GeForce GTX 555
RAM: 8GB 1333MHz RAM



I am no expert but thats a Dell Alienware X51 right? I would have thought a reputable custom PC firm could provide a better deal and better performance. Where are you based btw?


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#2191 Mar 05 2012 at 3:52 PM Rating: Decent
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triplealphareaction wrote:
kiimiiko wrote:
Hi everyone, getting a new pc soon with the hope of being able to play FF14 on medium/high settings comfortably.
These are the specs. I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me how well this pc would perform. Many thanks :)

CPU:Intel Core™ i5-2320 3 GHz
GPU:1GB GeForce GTX 555
RAM: 8GB 1333MHz RAM



I am no expert but thats a Dell Alienware X51 right? I would have thought a reputable custom PC firm could provide a better deal and better performance. Where are you based btw?




That's right, I'm considering getting the X51 and I'm in the UK. I know custom build is cheaper but in this case I don't mind paying extra for the brand, design and warranty. I bought from dell multiple times and have always been satisfied with their customer service. If the computer can play FF14 at mid/high settings reliably that's enough for me (I also want to get GW2 and diablo 3) . If not, then I will most likely consider alternatives.
#2192 Mar 05 2012 at 7:28 PM Rating: Good
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kiimiiko wrote:
triplealphareaction wrote:
kiimiiko wrote:
Hi everyone, getting a new pc soon with the hope of being able to play FF14 on medium/high settings comfortably.
These are the specs. I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me how well this pc would perform. Many thanks :)

CPU:Intel Core™ i5-2320 3 GHz
GPU:1GB GeForce GTX 555
RAM: 8GB 1333MHz RAM



I am no expert but thats a Dell Alienware X51 right? I would have thought a reputable custom PC firm could provide a better deal and better performance. Where are you based btw?




That's right, I'm considering getting the X51 and I'm in the UK. I know custom build is cheaper but in this case I don't mind paying extra for the brand, design and warranty. I bought from dell multiple times and have always been satisfied with their customer service. If the computer can play FF14 at mid/high settings reliably that's enough for me (I also want to get GW2 and diablo 3) . If not, then I will most likely consider alternatives.


You might want to read this thread specifically about the x51:

http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?forum=152&mid=1328215305177678444
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#2193 Mar 06 2012 at 11:54 AM Rating: Decent
kiimiiko wrote:
triplealphareaction wrote:
kiimiiko wrote:
Hi everyone, getting a new pc soon with the hope of being able to play FF14 on medium/high settings comfortably.
These are the specs. I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me how well this pc would perform. Many thanks :)

CPU:Intel Core™ i5-2320 3 GHz
GPU:1GB GeForce GTX 555
RAM: 8GB 1333MHz RAM



I am no expert but thats a Dell Alienware X51 right? I would have thought a reputable custom PC firm could provide a better deal and better performance. Where are you based btw?




That's right, I'm considering getting the X51 and I'm in the UK. I know custom build is cheaper but in this case I don't mind paying extra for the brand, design and warranty. I bought from dell multiple times and have always been satisfied with their customer service. If the computer can play FF14 at mid/high settings reliably that's enough for me (I also want to get GW2 and diablo 3) . If not, then I will most likely consider alternatives.


The X51 is just not as good as a custom built PC for the same money, not only in terms of performance/"bang for your buck" but also in terms of longevity; its small case will be hotter ( cool PC = happier components ) and won't accomodate the better desktop GPU's if you decide to upgrade ( it has a laptop GPU ewww).
There are reliable custom PC builders in the UK with good customer service, have a look on trustpilot.co.uk read the reviews and decide for yourself, btw alienware are ranked at 60. . .











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#2194 Mar 06 2012 at 1:13 PM Rating: Decent
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triplealphareaction wrote:
kiimiiko wrote:
triplealphareaction wrote:
kiimiiko wrote:
Hi everyone, getting a new pc soon with the hope of being able to play FF14 on medium/high settings comfortably.
These are the specs. I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me how well this pc would perform. Many thanks :)

CPU:Intel Core™ i5-2320 3 GHz
GPU:1GB GeForce GTX 555
RAM: 8GB 1333MHz RAM



I am no expert but thats a Dell Alienware X51 right? I would have thought a reputable custom PC firm could provide a better deal and better performance. Where are you based btw?




That's right, I'm considering getting the X51 and I'm in the UK. I know custom build is cheaper but in this case I don't mind paying extra for the brand, design and warranty. I bought from dell multiple times and have always been satisfied with their customer service. If the computer can play FF14 at mid/high settings reliably that's enough for me (I also want to get GW2 and diablo 3) . If not, then I will most likely consider alternatives.


The X51 is just not as good as a custom built PC for the same money, not only in terms of performance/"bang for your buck" but also in terms of longevity; its small case will be hotter ( cool PC = happier components ) and won't accomodate the better desktop GPU's if you decide to upgrade ( it has a laptop GPU ewww).
There are reliable custom PC builders in the UK with good customer service, have a look on trustpilot.co.uk read the reviews and decide for yourself, btw alienware are ranked at 60. . .













Thanks and yes after doing some more research, I have come across a lot of people complaining about heat issues which was also a concern of mine as well. I am not interested in upgradeability to be honest but I think I will have a look at pcspecialist.co.uk they actually seem to get flawless reviews from trustpilot and their prices seem very reasonable....
#2195 Mar 06 2012 at 3:41 PM Rating: Decent
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GPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125412
GIGABYTE GV-N460OC-1GI V3 GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card

SSD:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148442
Crucial M4 CT128M4SSD2 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

Motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128519
GIGABYTE GA-970A-UD3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard

Cooling:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7

Case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147153
Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case, comes with Three Fans-1x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan, 1x Top 140mm Fan, 1x Rear 120mm Fan, option Fans-2x Side 120mm Fan

RAM:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226191
Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model 996995

PSU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207015
XFX Core Edition PRO750W (P1-750S-NLB9) 750W ATX12V 2.2 & ESP12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply

CPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103996
AMD FX-4100 Zambezi 3.6GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor FD4100WMGUSBX

Optical Drive:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204
ASUS 24X DVD Burner - Bulk 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS - OEM


I found this build here and was curious what you guys all thought of it, please?

I have about a $1,000 budget and would like to run the game on high settings if possible.
#2196 Mar 06 2012 at 4:27 PM Rating: Good
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I found this build here and was curious what you guys all thought of it, please?

I have about a $1,000 budget and would like to run the game on high settings if possible.


That build looks fine to me. You could get it as is and probably be happy with it, but I'll suggest a few optional changes that you can make based on your personal preferences.

For possible ways to cut costs, you could look for a cheaper power supply. 750w is more than you would need for that system, but it does leave room for upgrading in the future if you plan to ever go SLI (dual GPU set up) or get a more power hungry card in the future, so completely your call on that one. I'd recommend this one personally if you go 750w since it's cheaper and Corsair is an awesome brand. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139021

You could go 500gb HDD instead of the SSD if you wanted to cut costs and get more space, as a trade off for the much speedier boot and loading times of the SSD.

If you were to put more money into any one particular thing, I'd say make it the GPU. Though the 460 is good (I've had one since 2010), you'd see a decent upgrade in gaming performance by spending more in that area.

Again, not necessarily the best route, just some possible alterations depending on your priorities.

Edited, Mar 6th 2012 5:29pm by Susanoh
#2197 Mar 06 2012 at 4:43 PM Rating: Good
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Susanoh wrote:
jetket wrote:
I found this build here and was curious what you guys all thought of it, please?

I have about a $1,000 budget and would like to run the game on high settings if possible.


That build looks fine to me. You could get it as is and probably be happy with it, but I'll suggest a few optional changes that you can make based on your personal preferences.

For possible ways to cut costs, you could look for a cheaper power supply. 750w is more than you would need for that system, but it does leave room for upgrading in the future if you plan to ever go SLI (dual GPU set up) or get a more power hungry card in the future, so completely your call on that one. I'd recommend this one personally if you go 750w since it's cheaper and Corsair is an awesome brand. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139021

You could go 500gb HDD instead of the SSD if you wanted to cut costs and get more space, as a trade off for the much speedier boot and loading times of the SSD.

If you were to put more money into any one particular thing, I'd say make it the GPU. Though the 460 is good (I've had one since 2010), you'd see a decent upgrade in gaming performance by spending more in that area.

Again, not necessarily the best route, just some possible alterations depending on your priorities.

Edited, Mar 6th 2012 5:29pm by Susanoh


I'm not much concerned about space and would prefer faster loading times so I think the SSD would suit me better, but do you have any recommendations for a better GPU? Also, I think I'll take your advice with the power supply you recommended.

Thank you!
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jetket wrote:
Susanoh wrote:
jetket wrote:
I found this build here and was curious what you guys all thought of it, please?

I have about a $1,000 budget and would like to run the game on high settings if possible.


That build looks fine to me. You could get it as is and probably be happy with it, but I'll suggest a few optional changes that you can make based on your personal preferences.

For possible ways to cut costs, you could look for a cheaper power supply. 750w is more than you would need for that system, but it does leave room for upgrading in the future if you plan to ever go SLI (dual GPU set up) or get a more power hungry card in the future, so completely your call on that one. I'd recommend this one personally if you go 750w since it's cheaper and Corsair is an awesome brand. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139021

You could go 500gb HDD instead of the SSD if you wanted to cut costs and get more space, as a trade off for the much speedier boot and loading times of the SSD.

If you were to put more money into any one particular thing, I'd say make it the GPU. Though the 460 is good (I've had one since 2010), you'd see a decent upgrade in gaming performance by spending more in that area.

Again, not necessarily the best route, just some possible alterations depending on your priorities.

Edited, Mar 6th 2012 5:29pm by Susanoh


I'm not much concerned about space and would prefer faster loading times so I think the SSD would suit me better, but do you have any recommendations for a better GPU? Also, I think I'll take your advice with the power supply you recommended.

Thank you!


Looks good, I love SSDs too. Yep I think the GPU is the only thing really holding it back. How about a 560Ti?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130623
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I'd agree with the above poster, that 560 TI for $200 after rebate is an awesome deal.

The non-TI 560 wouldn't be a bad upgrade from the 460 either if you wanted something in the middle of the two. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121466

Here's a few comparisons on Anandtech bench.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/313?vs=330

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/543?vs=547

Look specifically for games with frames per second at your monitor's resolution to get an idea of how well they'd play modern games on your setup.

If the 7850 happens to come out before you order your computer, you may want to take a look at how it's priced, but if you're planning on ordering soon don't sweat it.

Oh, and one more thing. If you know what you're doing and definitely want the CPU cooler, go for it. But if you happen to be wondering, just note that it's an optional upgrade and if you don't plan to overclock your CPU, the stock cooler would likely be sufficient unless there are known overheating problems with it (though skimming through newegg reviews, this doesn't seem to be the case, some even claim stable overclocks with the stock cooler). Just a judgment call on that one, up to you. Hope you enjoy your new rig. Smiley: nod

Edited, Mar 7th 2012 2:54am by Susanoh
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GPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125412
GIGABYTE GV-N460OC-1GI V3 GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card

SSD:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148442
Crucial M4 CT128M4SSD2 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

Motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128519
GIGABYTE GA-970A-UD3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard

Cooling:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7

Case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147153
Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case, comes with Three Fans-1x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan, 1x Top 140mm Fan, 1x Rear 120mm Fan, option Fans-2x Side 120mm Fan

RAM:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226191
Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model 996995

PSU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207015
XFX Core Edition PRO750W (P1-750S-NLB9) 750W ATX12V 2.2 & ESP12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply

CPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103996
AMD FX-4100 Zambezi 3.6GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor FD4100WMGUSBX

Optical Drive:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204
ASUS 24X DVD Burner - Bulk 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS - OEM


I found this build here and was curious what you guys all thought of it, please?

I have about a $1,000 budget and would like to run the game on high settings if possible.


I recently got a new rig with a Radeon 7950,AMD 8core,8gb DDR3 1800 Ram,Samsung SSD Hardrive,everything (plus cooling,motherboard,case etc), 780.00 EUR ~= 1,040.47 USD.
With this set up I got a 9700 on the benchmark at 1900x1080P with max settings :)
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