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#302 Jul 16 2010 at 5:51 PM Rating: Default
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I just want to thank everyone for helping me/us out!

After much consideration I contacted a local nerd to ask them if they could build for me, custom (for a fee of course!). When they asked me what I was building it for - I told them FFXIV... turns out they are on beta... yes violating nda - but not my problem. Anyway... thanks to these posts here I already had a good idea of what I needed to buy and how much it will cost for me to get a good experience.

I appreciate that. It is nicer to go forward with a plan to spend a bunch of money with a clear idea of what it is I am buying and why I need to buy that (rather than that cheaper thing over there).

This guy will have you guys to thank when I don't argue with him about needing to buy a good power supply or a decent graphic card.

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#303 Jul 16 2010 at 6:06 PM Rating: Default
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That said - is it really worth an extra 100 bucks to get a radeon 5850 vs a 5830???

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Edited, Jul 16th 2010 5:07pm by Olorinus
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If you have a budget of about $150, go with the Radeon HD 5770.

You're gonna definitely want to upgrade your CPU, too.

And 3070Mb of ram is 3Gb. :)
1Gb = 1000Mb

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Hey thanks! I'll go for that Radeon bad boy, you reckon that'll run the game ok on my TV on relatively high graphics? =)

upgrading my CPU.. that's the processor, right? what aspect(s) of the game's performance will my current processor negatively effect, do you think?

and yeah I thought it made sense for it to be 3Gb I had, but I could've sworn I bought a pair of 2Gb cards! =/ weird! maybe I'll get some more!

Thanks again for help, guys! <3



EDIT: on closer inspection, I don't think I have space in my tower for that Radeon card! I found two which seem appropriate, though only one says the size (9x5") and it looks a bit bigger than the other but not by a lot. The one I have at the moment is 6 or 7" tops which fits ok. There's a big bunch of wires nearby (potentially blocking a larger card) which don't seem very move-able, unless I were to un-bundle them, but I don't know how wise that would be!

the one that says the size but looks bigger: http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/asus-ati-radeon-hd-5770-cucore-pci-e-graphics-card-1gb-06282145-pdt.html

looks smaller but doesn't actually say: http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/sapphire-radeon-hd-5770-pci-e-graphics-card-04351404-pdt.html

The price difference between the two is negligible so that's not an issue, I'm sure I'm being an idiot but I don't want to get something that doesn't fit/work! (I once accidentally bought RAM for a laptop rather than desktop PC which was embarassing and inconvenient! =P)

much love and appreciation <3

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Hey everyone. I ran the benchmark program and I was given a 2095 for the low res (720p). Would you suggest I upgrade my computer to make my experience better? My current set up is as follows:

mobo: M2N SLI Deluxe by Asus
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+
Video Card: GeForce GTS 250 512 MB
RAM: OCZ Platinum Revision 2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800

I was thinking if I did upgrade, I was looking at the following:
CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 640 Propus
RAM: OCZ Fatal1ty Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066

My motherboard has 2 empty slots for RAM so I thought maybe I could just add the 2 new sticks to my 2 existing ones. Also, if I do get the Athlon II CPU, would I have to upgrade my motherboard as well? The Athlon II has the socket AM3 where as my current mobo has AM2. I've read that it possibly could work if I upgraded my bios? I'm also a little worried about whether or not my power supply is strong enough. I have a 500W supply currently. I just don't know how close I am to needing a bigger one since I have all of the stuff mentioned earlier and 4 HDDs and a wireless internet card. Thank you for any input you can provide.
#306 Jul 16 2010 at 8:28 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm thinking of upgrading wify's pc to play FF14

Current spec is a bit on the low side

Core 2 Duo 2.5G
DDR2 1066 2GB
GForce 9500GT

Only score a 700 on 720p

The upgrade plan is the following

Core 2 Quad Q9550 2.83G
Additional 4G of ram making it DDR2 1066 6GB (Motherboard only support up to DDR2 1066)
GForce GTX460

I wonder what kind of score I will be getting with that.
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#307 Jul 16 2010 at 8:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Thank you for your responses on my previous question!!! Some of you have done more research than me which is nuts!!!! I am starting from scratch on PC info from current gen as last time I bought one was 2-3 years ago and I went lazy, laptop(desktop replacement) Intel core Duo 1.66 and and 8800GTSM with 3GB ram. Obviously not good enough for this . Runs real choppy and the benchmark comes in at 1400-1600 on low.

My question is what do I need to do and how much do I need to spend to hit 4k plus on the benchmark?

You guys rock!!
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Thank you for your responses on my previous question!!! Some of you have done more research than me which is nuts!!!! I am starting from scratch on PC info from current gen as last time I bought one was 2-3 years ago and I went lazy, laptop(desktop replacement) Intel core Duo 1.66 and and 8800GTSM with 3GB ram. Obviously not good enough for this . Runs real choppy and the benchmark comes in at 1400-1600 on low.

My question is what do I need to do and how much do I need to spend to hit 4k plus on the benchmark?

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I suggest no less than a quad core and a GTX400+ or a Radeon 5770+
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I'm thinking of upgrading wify's pc to play FF14

Current spec is a bit on the low side

Core 2 Duo 2.5G
DDR2 1066 2GB
GForce 9500GT

Only score a 700 on 720p

The upgrade plan is the following

Core 2 Quad Q9550 2.83G
Additional 4G of ram making it DDR2 1066 6GB (Motherboard only support up to DDR2 1066)
GForce GTX460

I wonder what kind of score I will be getting with that.


That's gonna depend on your motherboard. Since you're upgrading your processor and video anyway, I would personally suggest a new motherboard. Since your current one only supports DDR2 (and you were planning to buy new RAM for it anyway), you'd be able to upgrade to DDR3 RAM. I also don't know if your board supports PCI-E 2.0 or 1.0; if it's 1.0, your graphics card is going to bottleneck.
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#310 Jul 16 2010 at 9:33 PM Rating: Good
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Hey everyone. I ran the benchmark program and I was given a 2095 for the low res (720p). Would you suggest I upgrade my computer to make my experience better? My current set up is as follows:

mobo: M2N SLI Deluxe by Asus
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+
Video Card: GeForce GTS 250 512 MB
RAM: OCZ Platinum Revision 2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800

I was thinking if I did upgrade, I was looking at the following:
CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 640 Propus
RAM: OCZ Fatal1ty Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066

My motherboard has 2 empty slots for RAM so I thought maybe I could just add the 2 new sticks to my 2 existing ones. Also, if I do get the Athlon II CPU, would I have to upgrade my motherboard as well? The Athlon II has the socket AM3 where as my current mobo has AM2. I've read that it possibly could work if I upgraded my bios? I'm also a little worried about whether or not my power supply is strong enough. I have a 500W supply currently. I just don't know how close I am to needing a bigger one since I have all of the stuff mentioned earlier and 4 HDDs and a wireless internet card. Thank you for any input you can provide.


The GTS series cards are low-end cards. For better performance, I'd also suggest upgrading to a GTX 400 series, or a Radeon 5770 or higher.

As I suggested in the post above this, you may also want to consider upgrading your board; it doesn't even support DDR2 1066 so that RAM won't work. It also doesn't support the Athlon II X4. Your motherboard

EDIT: I would advise upping your PSU to 600-650, but you should be able to manage on a 500W if you absolutely had to. Wouldn't advise it, but you could. At least it's not 400-450.

Edited, Jul 16th 2010 11:34pm by Mikhalia
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Thank you for your quick response Mikhalia. I based my opinion on whether I should upgrade my video card or not on the link showing a hierarchy of video cards provided at the beginning of the thread. When it comes to parts, I can usually tell when one is better than another, but I obviously have no clue how to tell if my existing hardware actually supports the new stuff. It sounds like I should probably just build a new computer. I suppose it would be better to just build one outright now and not have to upgrade single parts later. That's what I've been doing for the past two years. LOL I had no idea I had bought these parts 2 or more years ago. Time sure does fly. I'll be searching for deals for the next two months to prepare for the release. Thanks again on your input. I'm glad I asked.
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Anyone think a Gigabyte UD3P mobo would be a bottleneck to an ATI 6x00 gpu when they come out later this year? Otherwise I may grab a 5850 or 470 that'll complement my q9550 @ 3.8 Ghz nicely.
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#313 Jul 17 2010 at 3:06 AM Rating: Good
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Anyone think a Gigabyte UD3P mobo would be a bottleneck to an ATI 6x00 gpu when they come out later this year? Otherwise I may grab a 5850 or 470 that'll complement my q9550 @ 3.8 Ghz nicely.


I worry about the fact that it only supports DDR2, to be honest. You could progably wait for and upgrade to the 6600/6700 or higher if you wanted to, and then upgrade the motherboard and processor and RAM later. Just make sure your power supply can handle it.
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Last questions then I stop:

For my i5-750 build, the only thing remaining is deciding between two video card. 5850 is cheapest by 50$ and it seems that the GTX 470 have some "hidden power" that makes me feels that the 50 more bucks are really good invested.

- Should I go for HD 5850 or GTX 470 ?

- Is there a real difference between the two ?

In the end can I tops 5000 on Low and get 3000-3500 on high with that build ?
Build:
Gigabyte GA-P55M-UD2
i5-750 @ 3.4 ghz (OC)
GTX 470 1280 DDR5 or ATI Rad. HD 5850 (whichever is best)
Seagate HDD 250g SATA 2(IMO, don't need more than that for FF or WoW (I play both))
4 GB RAM
PSU 550W
Win 7 64

1268 $ (GTX 470) or 1229$ (Radeon HD5850)



Thanks again !

Edited, Jul 17th 2010 8:51am by MisterRandy
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Last questions then I stop:

For my i5-750 build, the only thing remaining is deciding between two video card. 5850 is cheapest by 50$ and it seems that the GTX 470 have some "hidden power" that makes me feels that the 50 more bucks are really good invested.

- Should I go for HD 5850 or GTX 470 ?

- Is there a real difference between the two ?

In the end can I tops 5000 on Low and get 3000-3500 on high with that build ?
Build:
Gigabyte GA-P55M-UD2
i5-750 @ 3.4 ghz (OC)
GTX 470 1280 DDR5 or ATI Rad. HD 5850 (whichever is best)
Seagate HDD 250g SATA 2(IMO, don't need more than that for FF or WoW (I play both))
4 GB RAM
PSU 550W
Win 7 64

1268 $ (GTX 470) or 1229$ (Radeon HD5850)



Thanks again !



Based on the limited info we have right now, I don't think there is any significant difference between GTX 470 and HD 5850. Either of those can be tweaked to outperform the other. I would personally go with the GTX 470, but that's just me since I do have plans to potentially play the game in 3D later.

With that system you can hit 5000 on the benchmark on low settings, but you're definitely going to have to overclock your CPU.
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That said - is it really worth an extra 100 bucks to get a radeon 5850 vs a 5830???

;)

Edited, Jul 16th 2010 5:07pm by Olorinus



Well, the word "worth it" is subjective. :) Only you can decide whether it's worth it for you.

What I can tell you, though, is that 5830 and 5850 will not have any difference (maybe a very minor one) when you run the benchmark on low. On high, though, the 5850 will give you a nice boost.
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Hey thanks! I'll go for that Radeon bad boy, you reckon that'll run the game ok on my TV on relatively high graphics? =)


Unfortunately, nope. The HD 5770 will run the game fairly well on low settings, but not high. If you want to play the game on high, you should go for at least a HD 5830. HD 5850/5870 recommended.


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upgrading my CPU.. that's the processor, right? what aspect(s) of the game's performance will my current processor negatively effect, do you think?


Pretty much every aspect, lol.


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EDIT: on closer inspection, I don't think I have space in my tower for that Radeon card!


Yeah, you're going to need to be careful about that. All of the newer, top-tier graphics cards are significantly longer than the older ones. I think most (not all) of the people using GTX 470/480 and Radeon HD 5850/5870 use full tower cases. Another reason is because those cards run pretty hot, and towers also provide better ventilation.
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#318 Jul 17 2010 at 8:09 AM Rating: Decent
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Actually, the i5-750 is sold to me already OC @ 3.4 ghz, so basicly 4500-5000 is attainable with that setup ?

(Yeah I am still asking some questions, but I won't like to throw 1300$ on a system that won't be playing smoothly on Low and that can't, at least, play on High at low settings)
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Ah, I didn't notice the factory OC. Yeah, you should get over 5k on low.
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#320 Jul 17 2010 at 8:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for the answers !

Another one :

Earlier did you wanted to say that the GTX 470 was more efficient for high resolution than the 5850 ? (My bad, didn't get the 3D thingy you said )
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Strongly suggest / propose consolidating this thread with the "Will X/Y/Z hardware run this," "What should I upgrade," and "What is the problem with my hardware" threads. There is an overabundance of these threads in the general board, to the point where an Omnibus Hardware Thread would serve better as a sticky than a thread dedicated solely to "building."

Just a suggestion.
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MisterRandy wrote:
Thanks for the answers !

Another one :

Earlier did you wanted to say that the GTX 470 was more efficient for high resolution than the 5850 ? (My bad, didn't get the 3D thingy you said )



No, I said that the GTX 470 and the HD 5850 perform about the same. :)

About the 3D, they have plans to make the game 3D compatible with Nvidia's 3D Surround technology. If they do go through with that, you will be able to play the game in 3D (3D glasses, similar to watching 3D movies) when using the newer Nvidia cards.

Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq-hDTCtLxk

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#323 Jul 17 2010 at 5:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Mikhalia wrote:
EpedemicOptikz wrote:
Anyone think a Gigabyte UD3P mobo would be a bottleneck to an ATI 6x00 gpu when they come out later this year? Otherwise I may grab a 5850 or 470 that'll complement my q9550 @ 3.8 Ghz nicely.


I worry about the fact that it only supports DDR2, to be honest. You could progably wait for and upgrade to the 6600/6700 or higher if you wanted to, and then upgrade the motherboard and processor and RAM later. Just make sure your power supply can handle it.


Yeah, I have a 750W Thermaltake PSU which should be sufficient enough. I don't really want to do any huge upgrading to my pc besides the video card. Don't have the money to do a fully blown upgrade at least for a few years so not having DDR3 isn't a huge issue for me atm. Thanks for the advice though.
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#324 Jul 17 2010 at 5:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok,

I've placed an order on a computer:

I5-750 2.66 ghz
Gigabyte ATX P55A-UDP4 LGA 1156
4 GB RAM DDR 1600
HDD 640 Go
Driver/Burner CD/DVD
GeForce GTX470
Antec Sonata III with integrated PSU 500W
Windows 7 Home Premium

Will tell you about benchmark scores when it will arrive, but I am pretty sure it will hit the 4500-5500 on Low and 3000-3500 on high.
#325 Jul 17 2010 at 6:29 PM Rating: Good
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Ok,

I've placed an order on a computer:

I5-750 2.66 ghz
Gigabyte ATX P55A-UDP4 LGA 1156
4 GB RAM DDR 1600
HDD 640 Go
Driver/Burner CD/DVD
GeForce GTX470
Antec Sonata III with integrated PSU 500W
Windows 7 Home Premium

Will tell you about benchmark scores when it will arrive, but I am pretty sure it will hit the 4500-5500 on Low and 3000-3500 on high.


Good luck with that! Probably too late, but a 500w PS may cause you some problems a bit later down the road.
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I do have a 3 years warranty with that store (and its a 15 minute walk). So if the PSU ever give me trouble(s), its just next to me.
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MisterRandy wrote:
Ok,

I've placed an order on a computer:

I5-750 2.66 ghz
Gigabyte ATX P55A-UDP4 LGA 1156
4 GB RAM DDR 1600
HDD 640 Go
Driver/Burner CD/DVD
GeForce GTX470
Antec Sonata III with integrated PSU 500W
Windows 7 Home Premium

Will tell you about benchmark scores when it will arrive, but I am pretty sure it will hit the 4500-5500 on Low and 3000-3500 on high.


Looks good to me. You will be able to get over 4000 on high if you overclock the GPU a bit.

Btw, even if the store is near to where you live, I'd still suggest getting a better PSU. You don't want to go through the trouble of carrying your computer to the store later to fix broken parts, which potentially could take days.

Just add a few dollars for a better one now, it will save you from saying to yourself, ********** it, why the **** didn't I just get a better PSU back then when everyone was recommending it" later.

Edited, Jul 18th 2010 10:37am by Threx
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Well, the word "worth it" is subjective. :) Only you can decide whether it's worth it for you.

What I can tell you, though, is that 5830 and 5850 will not have any difference (maybe a very minor one) when you run the benchmark on low. On high, though, the 5850 will give you a nice boost.


Thanks for the answer- then considering how much I am spending... if the 5830 is still more than a hundred bucks cheaper by the time I've saved up enough for the order... I may just take it down a notch. I'm going to have a crummy monitor for the first few months anyway - I can always upgrade the vid-card later - since I am trying to build to be very upgradable... I shouldn't have any problems... what do you think

This is my build so far (minus vid card and case):

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ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA DVD Burner
Samsung Spinpoint F3 HD 103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0 Gb/s 3.5" internal hard drive (the TB is for me, not for the game)
ASUS M4A89TD PRO/USB3 AM3 AMD 890FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
Corsair Hydro H-50 cooler
Corsair HX Series CMPSU-650HX 650W ATX12V v.2.2/EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready 80 Plus BRONZE Certified Modular Active Power Supply
G.Skill Ripjaws series 4GB(2X2 GB) 240-pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)Desktop Memory Model F-312800CL7D-4GBRM
AMD Phenom IIX4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor


This is what the guy who is helping me build suggested - plus the Radeon 5850...

Edited, Jul 18th 2010 9:48am by Olorinus
#329 Jul 18 2010 at 10:51 AM Rating: Default
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This fellow echoed what people here have been saying - he was like - "PSU is the most important thing - it is the first thing I consider when I am doing a build - because if that goes - it can take out the rest of your computer"
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That set up is looking good. :)

However, if you are indeed looking to upgrade further in the future, I'd suggest you take a look at the GTX 460. It's the newest card released by nVidia, and it's the "new hot thing" on the market right now. In fact, that's likely the GPU I'm going to be getting soon.

It performs similar to the HD 5830, but it runs cooler and is better for overclocking (from what I've read). And since it's not as hot, you can add a second card later (thinking long-term) and don't have to worry much about your case being too hot. Two GTX 460s is will perform just as well, if not better, than one GTX 480 or HD 5870. Buying one GTX 460 now and adding another one later will cost you no more than $400 total. On the other hand, buying an HD 5830 now and upgrading later to a top tier card will likely cost you over $500 total.

I might just be a bit biased though since I'm pretty hyped up about the GTX 460 right now, lol.

About the power supply, if you really are thinking long term, I suggest a 850W PSU (that's what I'll be getting, and my long term plan is running two GTX 460s along with a Phenom II x6 overclocked to 4.0). Power supplies deteriorate over time. Your 650W PSU today could be pumping out less than 600W after a while.
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I appreciate the tips - I know it will cost more to upgrade later vs. building in now - but is it feasible to upgrade things like power supply in the future if I feel like I need more juice?

(I am so new at this so bear with me)

The build above is almost at the top end of what I can afford right now. I could probably squeeze a few more hundred out of my budget - but it would mean more time eating rice and beans, lol - I get paid pretty okay - so I can spend $500 bucks on a non-rent paycheck without too much pain - but pulling together enough for a whole rig means saving more than $500 from two non-rent paychecks over a couple months. Which means I am not drinking beer for two months...

Yes, I have quit all drinking to save up for this puppy!

Which is why even though it will cost me more long term to underbuild a bit and upgrade later, I would rather do that to spread out the costs a bit.

What I want is to be able to run the game without lag or choppiness. If it means I have to turn off shadows or whatever in the short term I don't mind. The guy who is helping me with this said it should be able to run the game without any issues in an enjoyable way. Would you agree?
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If you don't mind spending more in the long run, then sure, it's up to you. Yes, the PSU can be replaced later. :)

With the above rig, you should be able to play on low res with minimal choppiness (again, this is just theoretical since I'm basing it off the benchmark, not personal experience in the game).

And you're not alone when you said you quit drinking to save up. I'm doing that too, lol. I usually go out drinking 2-3 nights a week. For the past 3 weeks, though, I've only been out 2 nights (2 nights out of the entire 3 weeks). :P


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Mikhalia wrote:
OneFatAngel wrote:
I'm thinking of upgrading wify's pc to play FF14

Current spec is a bit on the low side

Core 2 Duo 2.5G
DDR2 1066 2GB
GForce 9500GT

Only score a 700 on 720p

The upgrade plan is the following

Core 2 Quad Q9550 2.83G
Additional 4G of ram making it DDR2 1066 6GB (Motherboard only support up to DDR2 1066)
GForce GTX460

I wonder what kind of score I will be getting with that.


That's gonna depend on your motherboard. Since you're upgrading your processor and video anyway, I would personally suggest a new motherboard. Since your current one only supports DDR2 (and you were planning to buy new RAM for it anyway), you'd be able to upgrade to DDR3 RAM. I also don't know if your board supports PCI-E 2.0 or 1.0; if it's 1.0, your graphics card is going to bottleneck.


You know....you are right. I just priced out a few parts in newegg and seems like I might as well cannibalise my own pc and build another one. I turns out to be only $200ish dollars more expensive, and I can build an i7 machine. Ram will be a bit less at 4G but it will be DDR3 2000.
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Im building a computer that im hoping will do well so far I have bought the following:

Case - 79.99
I7 930 - 199.99 Sale :D
ASUS P6X58D-E LGA 1366 Intel X58 - 179.99
Also i got a 750W PSU which i had.. so we can say it was Free :D

now im just waiting for memory and video card to go on sale :D
of course i just gotta do the other lowly parts like hard drive cd blah blah.. but i think it will be a pretty cheap set up and i hope to be able to run this with good quality

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#335 Jul 18 2010 at 5:47 PM Rating: Decent
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So my current alienware laptop is giving out on me, its over 4 years old, and it was perfect for FFXI so now I need help deciding picking a new Laptop for FFXIV.

1st Choice: Macbook Pro. I want to run Parallels to install my Window 7 and was wonder if it will be able to play FFXIV without any problems.

Specs:
# 2.66GHz Intel Core i7
# 8GB 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x4GB
# 500GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
# NVIDIA GeForce 320M graphics

2nd Choice: Alieware

Intel® Core™ i7 940XM Quad Core Processor, 2.13GHz (3.33GHz Turbo Mode, 8M Cache) edit
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English edit
VIDEO CARD 1GB NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 260M edit
LCD PANEL 15.6-inch WideFHD 1920x1080 (1080p) WLED edit
MEMORY 4GB Dual Channel Memory (2x 2GB DDR3) edit
HARD DRIVE 250GB SATAII 7,200RPM

3rd Choice: Alienware

Intel® Core™ i7 920XM 2.0GHz (3.2GHz Turbo Mode, 8MB Cache) edit
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English edit
VIDEO CARD CrossfireX™ 1GB ATI Radeon™ Mobility HD 5870 edit
LCD PANEL 17-inch WideUXGA 1920 x 1200 RGB LED (1200p) edit
MEMORY 4GB Dual Channel Memory (2x 2GB DDR3) edit
HARD DRIVE 250GB 7,200RPM SATA-II HDD
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those alienwares seem low on processing power..
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ok, my current laptop totally blew when it came to running the benchmark. So i've decided to get a desktop, the one i'm currently thinking about getting is thus;

Pavilion Elite Desktop
Processor AMD Phenom™ II
Processor Speed 3.0GHz
System Memory (RAM) 8GB
Graphics ATI Radeon HD 5450
Video Memory 512MB (dedicated)

Would these specs be enough to run the game, I"m not looking for top of the line but something that will actually run the game with little hick ups.

Thanks.
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It's probably a little early to tell, but can any GPU pro here tell me if SLI GTX 460s will scale better than CrossFire 5870s? It seems like the 460s have decent potential and SLI seems to scale better than crossFire in the benchmarks I've seen, but I'm curious if after all OCing and tweaks if 2 5870s will still outperform two 460s?
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Apolloseig wrote:
So my current alienware laptop is giving out on me, its over 4 years old, and it was perfect for FFXI so now I need help deciding picking a new Laptop for FFXIV.

1st Choice: Macbook Pro. I want to run Parallels to install my Window 7 and was wonder if it will be able to play FFXIV without any problems.

Specs:
# 2.66GHz Intel Core i7
# 8GB 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x4GB
# 500GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
# NVIDIA GeForce 320M graphics

2nd Choice: Alieware

Intel® Core™ i7 940XM Quad Core Processor, 2.13GHz (3.33GHz Turbo Mode, 8M Cache) edit
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English edit
VIDEO CARD 1GB NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 260M edit
LCD PANEL 15.6-inch WideFHD 1920x1080 (1080p) WLED edit
MEMORY 4GB Dual Channel Memory (2x 2GB DDR3) edit
HARD DRIVE 250GB SATAII 7,200RPM

3rd Choice: Alienware

Intel® Core™ i7 920XM 2.0GHz (3.2GHz Turbo Mode, 8MB Cache) edit
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English edit
VIDEO CARD CrossfireX™ 1GB ATI Radeon™ Mobility HD 5870 edit
LCD PANEL 17-inch WideUXGA 1920 x 1200 RGB LED (1200p) edit
MEMORY 4GB Dual Channel Memory (2x 2GB DDR3) edit
HARD DRIVE 250GB 7,200RPM SATA-II HDD



1st Choice: It will have problems.

2nd Choice: It will have problems.

3rd Choice: It will be playable on low settings.
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ok, my current laptop totally blew when it came to running the benchmark. So i've decided to get a desktop, the one i'm currently thinking about getting is thus;

Pavilion Elite Desktop
Processor AMD Phenom™ II
Processor Speed 3.0GHz
System Memory (RAM) 8GB
Graphics ATI Radeon HD 5450
Video Memory 512MB (dedicated)

Would these specs be enough to run the game, I"m not looking for top of the line but something that will actually run the game with little hick ups.

Thanks.



First off, props on deciding to get a desktop instead of another laptop.

If that system is customizable, I would lower the RAM to 4Gb (or 6 at the most) and upgrade the video card to at least an HD 5750.

Also, you should check whether that Phenom is a dual core or a quad core (quad core MUCH preferred).

Edit: Actually, you don't even want to mess with that processor if it's the dual core version.

Edited, Jul 19th 2010 10:27am by Threx
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It's probably a little early to tell, but can any GPU pro here tell me if SLI GTX 460s will scale better than CrossFire 5870s? It seems like the 460s have decent potential and SLI seems to scale better than crossFire in the benchmarks I've seen, but I'm curious if after all OCing and tweaks if 2 5870s will still outperform two 460s?


I do not profess to be a GPU pro, because I'm not. But what I can tell you is...according to tomshardware.com's review and tests on the GTX 460, an overclocked GTX 460 to about 850 core clock will perform similar to a 5870 (not overclocked). An overclocked 5870 (which does get a significant boost in performance) will therefore outperform an overclocked GTX 460.

I know that SLI is usually somewhat better than Crossfire, but basing my assumption from the above, I still believe 2x 5870s will outperform 2x GTX 460s, and 2x 5870s overclocked will outperform 2x GTX 460s overclocked.
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#342 Jul 19 2010 at 9:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok, I'm trying to upgrade my machine to run the game on medium settings.

Here's what I've got:
AMD Phenom 9850 Quad Core Processor 2.5Ghz
8 GB DDR2 RAM
NVIDIA 9600 GS
and a 350W Power Supply

I'm planning on upgrading my Power Supply and Graphics card.
I wanted to upgrade some RAM from DDR2 to DDR3 but my motherboard won't let me.

My biggest question is, will a 750W power supply and Radeon 5770 or higher overheat my box without upgrading the ventilation?
It runs very, very cool right now-the case is cold to the touch and the exhaust is not even warm.
My tech skill is either the low end of moderate or the high end of low-I won't stab the thing with a screwdriver, but I'm not too far beyond plug n play cards and HDs.

On a side note, I thought I read a post about mixing RAM sticks (in the off chance I upgrade the motherboard too) but I can't find the post anymore.
Is it possible to mix DDR2 and DDR3 RAM?
I thought it said you had to make sure the faster RAM was read first, or it would slow everything down to whatever it reads first, but I simply can't remember.
#343 Jul 19 2010 at 10:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Threx wrote:
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1st Choice: It will have problems.

2nd Choice: It will have problems.

3rd Choice: It will be playable on low settings.


i'd say thats a little bit of an underestimate:

1st choice - probably wont be playable at lowest settings

2nd choice - playable at low - medium settings depending on how much they optimise the game

3rd choice - playable at medium settings maybe a bit higher depending on optimisation.

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So after describing my set up as it is now, I'm basically going to have to buy everything new for my computers insides. I received a score of 2095 on the low res on the benchmark. How well do you think that'll run the game? Is it REALLY necessary for me to get a new computer? Current set up:

mobo: M2N SLI Deluxe by Asus
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+
Video Card: GeForce GTS 250 512 MB
RAM: OCZ Platinum Revision 2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800

If I am to invest in a new computer. How well do you think this set up would score on the benchmark? I'd like to aim for atleast 3000+ so that I can have halfway decent graphics and little/no lag. http://www.newegg.com/Product/NewProduct.aspx?Item=N82E16883229190

EDIT: If I am to get the new system, I was going to purchase 2 more 2 GB sticks of RAM for a total of 8 GB of RAM.

Edited, Jul 19th 2010 12:42pm by swisa
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swisa wrote:
So after describing my set up as it is now, I'm basically going to have to buy everything new for my computers insides. I received a score of 2095 on the low res on the benchmark. How well do you think that'll run the game? Is it REALLY necessary for me to get a new computer? Current set up:

mobo: M2N SLI Deluxe by Asus
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+
Video Card: GeForce GTS 250 512 MB
RAM: OCZ Platinum Revision 2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800

If I am to invest in a new computer. How well do you think this set up would score on the benchmark? I'd like to aim for atleast 3000+ so that I can have halfway decent graphics and little/no lag. http://www.newegg.com/Product/NewProduct.aspx?Item=N82E16883229190

EDIT: If I am to get the new system, I was going to purchase 2 more 2 GB sticks of RAM for a total of 8 GB of RAM.

Edited, Jul 19th 2010 12:42pm by swisa


8gb of ram is poitless for gaming 4gb is still fine 6gb if triple channel. youd get a bigger performance boost crosfiring another 5770 in that rig if the provided mobo will allow it.

on the original rig it seems ffxiv likes quads so a quad core cpu and a better gfx card might be in order and another 2 gb of ram.
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Threx wrote:
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1st Choice: It will have problems.

2nd Choice: It will have problems.

3rd Choice: It will be playable on low settings.


i'd say thats a little bit of an underestimate:

1st choice - probably wont be playable at lowest settings

2nd choice - playable at low - medium settings depending on how much they optimise the game

3rd choice - playable at medium settings maybe a bit higher depending on optimisation.





Ok, then, let's compare just 1 feature: The GPU.


His choice #1: Geforce GTX 260M scores 704 on PassMark.

His choice #2: Geforce 320M scores 313 on PassMark.

Geforce 7800 GTX scores 568 on PassMark.


I have a system with a Geforce 7800GTX. And guess what? It doesn't even run the benchmark properly. No visuals, just audio and a black screen with the logos. I let it keep running (yes, with the black screen) to the end and my score was 536.

You do the math.


Edit: Yes, I've updated all drivers.


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Threx wrote:
RSquires wrote:
ok, my current laptop totally blew when it came to running the benchmark. So i've decided to get a desktop, the one i'm currently thinking about getting is thus;

Pavilion Elite Desktop
Processor AMD Phenom™ II
Processor Speed 3.0GHz
System Memory (RAM) 8GB
Graphics ATI Radeon HD 5450
Video Memory 512MB (dedicated)

Would these specs be enough to run the game, I"m not looking for top of the line but something that will actually run the game with little hick ups.

Thanks.



First off, props on deciding to get a desktop instead of another laptop.

If that system is customizable, I would lower the RAM to 4Gb (or 6 at the most) and upgrade the video card to at least an HD 5750.

Also, you should check whether that Phenom is a dual core or a quad core (quad core MUCH preferred).

Edit: Actually, you don't even want to mess with that processor if it's the dual core version.

Edited, Jul 19th 2010 10:27am by Threx


Ok, So I've taken your advice and changed some things around. Here's the newest one;
Operating system Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit edit
Processor AMD Athlon(TM) X4 635 quad-core processor [2.9GHz, 2MB L2, up to 4000MHz bus]
Memory 6GB DDR3-1333MHz SDRAM [3 DIMMs]
Hard drive 750GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
Graphics card 1GB ATI Radeon HD 5770 [dual-link DVI, HDMI, DP, VGA adapter]

Will this run better??? Thanks again for the help.
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I know that SLI is usually somewhat better than Crossfire, but basing my assumption from the above, I still believe 2x 5870s will outperform 2x GTX 460s, and 2x 5870s overclocked will outperform 2x GTX 460s overclocked.


Thank you, that's the kind of insight i was looking for.
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Id just like to thank everyone for any help provided. This is hopefully my final post to do with pc builds. So here it is

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition

CPU Cooler: Coolermaster Hyper TX3

Operating System: Microsoft® Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

Motherboard: Asus M4A785TD-M Evo

Memory: 4.0GB Corsair DDR3 1600mhz DHX CL9 (2x 2GB)

Hard Drives: 1TB S-ATAII 3.0Gb/s

Graphics card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 1GB

Sound card: Asus Xonar DS 7.1

Case: Antec Three Hundred

PSU: 700W EZCool Tornado

will all parts work as a whole or should i remove / add anything. Im ready to order so i wanna get the ball rolling ^^

thanks adam
#350 Jul 19 2010 at 3:37 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm trying to go for 3d. So I'd want the game to run nice. But I don't want to go extreme. So far I'm thinking to buy:

69-0750 ::Intel Core i5 750 BX80605I5750 Processor - 2.66GHz, LGA 1156, 8MB L3 Cache, Quad-Core, Lynnfield, Retail(1.5 lbs)

$199.99


C19-6150 ::Crucial CT25664BA1339 2GB PC10600 DDR3 Desktop Memory Upgrade - 1x2048MB, Non-ECC, Unbuffered, 1333MHz(0.05 lbs)

Original Price: $54.99
Instant Savings: - $5.00
Price: $49.99



I69-2200 ::Intel DP55WB Motherboard - Intel P55, Socket LGA1156, micro ATX, 8 Channel Audio(2 lbs)

$99.99


C283-1207 ::Cooler Master Elite RC-341 Mini Tower Computer Case - Micro ATX, 2x 5.25 Bays, 2x 3.5 Bays, 4x Fan Ports, Black(10.1 lbs)

$39.99


O261-2013 ::OCZ StealthXStream 700-Watt Power Supply - ATX, 120mm Fan, SLI-Ready, SATA-Ready, PCI-Express(5.25 lbs)

Original Price: $89.99
Instant Savings: - $15.00
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M17-1862 ::Microsoft - Wireless Laser Desktop 4000 - Silver Keyboard And Mouse Combo(8.1 lbs)

Original Price: $79.95
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M452-0470 ::MSI N470GTX-M2D12-B GeForce GTX 470 Video Card - 1280MB GDDR5, PCI-Express 2.0, Dual DVI, HDMI, SLI, DirectX 11, FREE Resident Evil 5 Game Coupon(3.15 lbs)

$349.99

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Original Price: $199.99
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A455-2640 ::Asus Xonar DS PCI 7.1 Sound Card(0.85 lbs)


$49.99

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T13-1115 ::Coolmax CU-700B Power Supply - 700-Watt, ATX, SLI-Ready, Three 12V Rails(4 lbs)

$69.99

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T925-3048 ::Thermaltake VL70001W2Z V5 Black Edition Mid Tower Gaming Case - ATX, mATX(19.6 lbs)


$59.99

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O261-1060 ::OCZ OCZ3G1333LV4G Gold 4GB PC10666 DDR3 Memory Upgrade - 1333MHz, Non-ECC, Unbuffered, 1x4096MB(0.4 lbs)

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A179-2314 ::Acer GD235HZ bid 24" Class Widescreen LCD HD Monitor - 1080p, 1920x1080, 80000:1 Dynamic, 120Hz, 2ms, 3D-Ready, VGA, DVI, HDMI(16.3 lbs)
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Price: $379.99

TOTAL: $1,702.87

If possible I'd like to come close to $1,500. But I don't want to compromise performance. If anyone could give me some ideas please, it would be really helpful.
Thank you.
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C283-1207 ::Cooler Master Elite RC-341 Mini Tower Computer Case - Micro ATX, 2x 5.25 Bays, 2x 3.5 Bays, 4x Fan Ports, Black(10.1 lbs)


I usually advice against Micro ATX. Full towers give you much more space to work with, and more airflow for cooling.
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