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#402 Jul 23 2010 at 1:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok, This will be my final question when it comes to a computer for running 14. Which processor is better when dealing with running 14. This computer will pretty much be for 14 only as I'm normally not a big computer person anyways.

- AMD Phenom x4 995 quad-core. 3.2GHz, 2MB L2 + 6MB L3 shared, up to 4000MHz.
- Intel Core i5-750 quad-core. 2.66GHz, 1MB L2 + 8MB shared L3 cache.

Thanks to all for the help.
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A hearty thank you to:

1) all those offering hardware help and feedback. Very nice of you to spend your time doing so.

2) all of those coming to the hardware sticky instead of spamming new threads. Etiquette prevails, sometimes!

Okay I'm done.
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swisa wrote:
Thank you for the input Threx. Now that I have a plan for the things to buy, I'm going to have a really hard time waiting another month before I buy everything. I wouldn't expect the prices to go down much anyways and the more I visit this website, the more I want to buy the stuff and get everything ready for when the CE comes out. Oi......It's been awhile since I've been this excited over a games release.


Although prices might not drop much, you might be able to catch a good combo deal on one of the sites or a local computer store. Often times you can see something like a CPU+Motherboard combo that saves you over $50. Keep an eye out for those. If you see a great deal, grab it. :)
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Would something like this be able to run XIV?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883103267

Or would I have to replace the graphics card?



Definitely need a new video card. Stay away from integrated like the plague.
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I just wanted to check if my video card was up to snuff? I am running the Sapphire ATI Vapor-X 4890 2GB. Should I look into the 5900 series? Is it worth the extra $$$?


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RSquires wrote:
Ok, This will be my final question when it comes to a computer for running 14. Which processor is better when dealing with running 14. This computer will pretty much be for 14 only as I'm normally not a big computer person anyways.

- AMD Phenom x4 995 quad-core. 3.2GHz, 2MB L2 + 6MB L3 shared, up to 4000MHz.
- Intel Core i5-750 quad-core. 2.66GHz, 1MB L2 + 8MB shared L3 cache.

Thanks to all for the help.



I'm so **** sure I answered this already, where's my post? >.< Maybe it was in another thread?

Between the Phenom II x4 955 and the i5 750, I prefer the i5 750. However, if you're thinking about future upgrades while using the same motherboard, I'd go with the Phenom.
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Need some help deciding on which to get, or maybe there's better for the same prices?

To start, I will NOT be attempting to build a PC, so I am buying an already set-up one.

I do not need to run the game on amazing graphics, and I have a budget I need to stay with, so I don't need a "you should really go with this and this, it'll run you about $1,000".

I am looking for something for under $725. So far I have found two that are decent looking.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229193

Vs

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227274

How much of a difference in performance do you think I'd get out of forking over an extra $100 for the $700 system? I know the radeon is 5770 vs 5760 (which boosts its card score from 1,150 to 1,550)

As far as the rest goes. 0.1 GHZ faster processor, 700 watt Power supply VS 600, same HD space.

Someone mentioned to me that with the cheaper, $600 computer, I'd likely see a 3,000 to 3,500 Benchmark score. Possibly a little higher. Which is "fine" for me, but looking at it again, it's only $10 more a month for the $700 (12-month plan).

If I went with the $700, how much do you *think* my Benchmark would be at? Again, even a rough estimate would be great. And is it worth it for $100 extra for this PC?

Are there better options that do NOT include building my own that are between $600-$725?

Thanks again for the help
#409 Jul 23 2010 at 8:52 PM Rating: Default
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I am currently running:

Win7 64-bit Ultimate
Asus P6T v2 Deluxe motherboard
IntelCore i7 920@2.67 GHz
6 GB Corsair Dominator (12800) DDR3 Ram
1 TB Western Digital Caviar Black HD
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD4890 Vapor-X 2GB Video Card

My low benchmark tested at 4256, but my high benchmark test was only 2476.

I know that this is "good enough" to run the game, but I was a hardcore FFXI player and would like to push that score up a bit higher because I anticipate playing this game at a high level for many years. My DirectX is updated, but I performed the test while my Sophos antivirus was still active.

What do you recommend would be the best way to achieve better performance results?

Should I get a new video card such as an ATI HD5800 or HD5900 series? Should I get a 2nd video card and run them in crossfire mode? Should I keep my existing hardware and attempt to overclock my system (any recommended speeds not to push the 920 past?) Any other tips?

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Thank you for the input Threx. Now that I have a plan for the things to buy, I'm going to have a really hard time waiting another month before I buy everything. I wouldn't expect the prices to go down much anyways and the more I visit this website, the more I want to buy the stuff and get everything ready for when the CE comes out. Oi......It's been awhile since I've been this excited over a games release.


Although prices might not drop much, you might be able to catch a good combo deal on one of the sites or a local computer store. Often times you can see something like a CPU+Motherboard combo that saves you over $50. Keep an eye out for those. If you see a great deal, grab it. :)


Surprisingly enough, I will be taking advantage of 2 combo deals. I had set a goal of finding the best possible set up for $1,000 - $1,100. It was down to a fully already put together comp. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229190

Or one where I used a few things from my current computer and get the parts separate.
My list: Hopefully it'll be good enough to run the game on default settings on low res.

Full Tower 100.00 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811517004
Motherboard 100.00 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131651
CPU 741.00* http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.442850
Heatsink included with cpu
Video Card ******* http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.442850
RAM 173.00$ http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.432145
Power Supply $$$$$$$
HDD Have 5TB of HDD space already (4HDD)
Network Card Have one
DVD-ROM Have one

total = $1,114
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So this week I will be finishing my build!! Specs and prices posted! "If free it means i alrdy had and will be reusing"

i7 930 - 199.99
P6X58D-E - 179.99
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 250GB HD - 36.99
DvD - 17.99
OCZ Gold 6GB Tri channel - 119.99
Antec 902 - 79.99
Dynex thermal - 9.99
750W PSU - free
XFX Nvidia 8800GTX SC - free

has anyone checked the FFXIV benchmark with a old 8800GTX?? ill know Friday what I benchmark but just curious to whether any one else has used or not. But so far its not bad I paid about 730 bucks for this set up and i figure in 250 more for a decent Graphic card that I will get once ffxiv get closer to release.. (Always wait for price drops lol)


Important question.. I put the heatsink/CPU in and then turned it on for maybe 30 seconds (i didnt have a HD in I was just testing to see if the system would turn on.) After that I remoeved the heatsink and the thermal grease is kinda grey color.. Is it ok that I put it back on with out scrapping the old off and putting on a new layer of grease?? or should i just put on a new layer

Thank you very much for this important information
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Here's a list of some benchmarking numbers, might give you some ideas...upgrading the video card paired with that i7 930 might make you quite happy
http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?game=268&mid=1276622633251997279&page=3&howmany=50#msg127667345745724332
#414 Jul 24 2010 at 12:07 AM Rating: Decent
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What I orignally had built


Case
39.99 COOLER MASTER Elite 330 RC-330-KKN1-GP Black SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Mobo
84.99 ASUS M4A77TD AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard
GPU
154.99 SAPPHIRE 100283L Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX
Power Supply
39.99 COOLER MASTER eXtreme Power Plus RS-500-PCAR-A3 500W ATX12V V2.3 Power Supply
Ram
95.98 Crucial 4GB 2(2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Dual Channel Kit
CPU
84.99 AMD Athlon II X3 445 Rana 3.1GHz Socket AM3 95W

Price - 501.92

I did some research and changed some things around a bit. Changed out the MoBo so I can support the new X6 AMD's should I want to, also adds PCI 3.0 compatibility and a bunch of other features to make sure I wont need to upgrade the MoBo for another 3-4 years

I went with the 955 over the 965 since on a price bases with OC ability its a much better processor for the money. Also per recomendation I upgrade the power supply as well, and since I'm only running with the 5770 should be more than ample needs for right now. Down the road I can Xfire 2x 5770s or sell it and change over to a 5850 or 5870.

Case
COOLER MASTER Elite 330 RC-330-KKN1-GP Black SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - $39.99
Motherboard
GIGABYTE GA-890GPA-UD3H - 114.99
Graphics Card
SAPPHIRE 100283L Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB - $169.99
Power Supply
CORSAIR CMPSU-550VX - $79.99
RAM
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) - $81.99
Processor
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz - $159.99

Final Price $646.94

Any more suggestions.. hehe Ive added $150 on the the build, funny how the mentality of "its only 20 more dollars" adds up. =)
#415 Jul 24 2010 at 12:11 AM Rating: Decent
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150478

250GTS 1 gb.. xfx is my most trusted only because I have had a 8800gtx for so long and it still runs great. plus they have lifetime warranty.. My question is this if I go with the 250 will i regret it for saving the money, or should i just pay the extra 70 bucks for the 460 "budget" card
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Edited, Jul 24th 2010 10:46am by insanekangaroo
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#417 Jul 24 2010 at 3:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Hello everyone, new to the site and have been reading all the pages associated with this post. Thank you for everyone who has posted and will post to my question, you guys know your stuff! Last time I built a computer was in college when I was actually going to school for it, but I have since changed my job and have lost touch with the new tech out there when it comes to computers.

Anyways down to the meat and potatoes of my question for all you tech wise folk, I have a budget of about 1400 and I need everything, don't have a computer as we speak and don't have a monitor. Could anyone point me into the direction of a great rig that I could buy or put together that comes with all the bells and whistles that I need with it? I would like to play the game with really good settings, not mind blowing settings cause I know you need some deep pockets for that, but something that will make me happy with the quality of game play.

I'll leave it in your hands, and thank you again in advance.


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Hypnotiq101 wrote:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150478

250GTS 1 gb.. xfx is my most trusted only because I have had a 8800gtx for so long and it still runs great. plus they have lifetime warranty.. My question is this if I go with the 250 will i regret it for saving the money, or should i just pay the extra 70 bucks for the 460 "budget" card


Yeah I think you'd end up wishing you put the extra 70 into the 460 in that situation. The 460 performs extremely well for the price

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Rizzo, here's a link to another thread that gives some very affordable starter setups for both the minimum and recommended settings, good place to start...
http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?game=268&mid=1279658096150256270&page=1
#419 Jul 24 2010 at 4:38 AM Rating: Decent
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I currently have and old setup going on with a bit of a face-lift.
Recently I swapped my motherboard to a new case and bought an NVIDIA GTX275 and a Power Supply of 750 watts.
But I'm considering of changing all the core parts of the computer to work with what I have.
So help me out here, which of these upgrade setup is actually worth getting:

*AMD Setup*

AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz ( or the new X6 )

COOLER MASTER Intel Core i7 compatible V8 RR-UV8-XBU1-GP 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler

CORSAIR XMS 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2000 (PC3 16000) Desktop Memory

GIGABYTE GV-R5876P-2GD-B Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress XT) 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1

MSI 790FX-GD70 AM3 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard

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*Intel Setup*

Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield 2.8GHz LGA 1366

COOLER MASTER V6 RR-V6SV-22PR-R1 DynaLoop CPU Cooler w/ Universal bracket

CORSAIR DOMINATOR 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)

PNY XLR8 VCGGTX470XPB GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 (x2)

EVGA X58 FTW3 132-GT-E768-KR LGA 1366 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard


I'm not sure if the 750 Watt PSU will hold the intel setup, I'd like to confirm that. My budget is max around 1.5k - 1.8, let me know what you think.
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Hi id like some help with this pc please, id just like a second opinion before i drop my cash into it.

CASE: COOLMASTER ELITE 310 BLUE CASE + 2 FRONT USB
PROCESSOR: AMD PHENOM II X4 955 (3.20GHZ/8MB CACHE/AM3)-BLACK EDITION
MOTHERBOARD: ASUS M4N98TD EVO: DDR3, 2-WAY SLI, SATA 3.0GB/S
MEMORY: 4GB SAMSUNG DDR3 DUAL-DDR3 1333MHZ (2X2GB)
GRAPHICS CARD: 1GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX460 GDDR5 PCI EXPRESS-DIRECTX11
HARD DRIVE: 1TBWB CAVIAR GREEN WD10EARS, SATA 3GB/S, 64MB CACHE
COOLER: STANDARD AMD CPU COOLER

Is the standard cooler enough? Id rather not have to spend extra if i dont have to. Also are any of my other decisions completely retarded?

Id like to run this game on half decent settings, what are my chances of this being the build to get me that?
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The cooler that comes with the CPU is plenty.. Most people are OCing with the stock cooler from 3.4 - 3.6, if you want into the 3.7 - 4.0 range you're going to need to buy a better cooler. Also the "Green" is the slowest of the HDDs order is Black > Blue > Green, it wont affect your FPS but it will affect your load times.

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SolidMack wrote:
I know some of you are suggesting the i5/i7 for processors but they're both a little steep on price, any suggestions for something easier on the pockets but still viable?

EDIT: anything wrong with, say, AMD Athlon 64 X2 2.6 GHz?

Edited, Jul 1st 2010 7:02pm by SolidMack


I have an AMD Athlon 64 X2 2.1 GHZ in my system and when I ram the benchmark side by side to the task manager CPU gage, the cpu was at 60%-100% most of the time
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I'm interested in getting a gaming laptop, which I know won't be as good as a desktop, and I've been able to narrow down my search to two choices. For both, the graphics card will be an ATI Radeon HD 5870 which scores a 1211 on the passmark software score.

However, I know very little about CPU or RAM. I've chosen two models from xoticpc.com. Both models give several different choices for CPUs and RAM, but I have no idea which one to pick. The price a lot of them are very expensive, and before I just go with the default one listed, I would like to make sure it should be able to run FFXIV acceptably (its ok if its not on High setting).

The two computers I'm interested in are the:

Sager NP8690:
Link:http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np8690-built-clevo-w860cu-custom-gaming-laptop-p-2659.html?wconfigure=yes

By default, this laptop comes with:
CPU: Intel® Core™ i5-450M, 2.4-2.67GHz, (3MB L3)
GPU: Mobility Radeon HD 5870
RAM: 4,096MB DDR3 1066MHz Dual Channel Memory (2 SODIMMS) (Requires 64-Bit to utilize Full 4GB)
At a price of $1172.13 which works great for my budget.

The next one is the MSI E7405-080US Gaming Laptop.
Link: http://www.xoticpc.com/e7405080us-gaming-laptop-p-2823.html?wconfigure=yes

This one comes with:
CPU: Intel® Core™ i5-430M, 2.26-2.53GHz, (3MB L3 cache) - Standard
GPU: Mobility Radeon HD 5870
RAM: 4,096MB (4GB) DDR3 1066MHzDual Channel Memory
At a price of $1210.91.

First of all, are these laptops good choices, and if so, which one? And should I upgrade the CPU or RAM in either one? The most I would like to spend would be about $1400, but would much prefer it to stay in the $1100-1200 range.
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I do not need to run the game on amazing graphics, and I have a budget I need to stay with, so I don't need a "you should really go with this and this, it'll run you about $1,000".

I am looking for something for under $725. So far I have found two that are decent looking.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229193

Vs

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227274

How much of a difference in performance do you think I'd get out of forking over an extra $100 for the $700 system? I know the radeon is 5770 vs 5760 (which boosts its card score from 1,150 to 1,550)


First off, it's 5670, not 5760. :P

Secondly, If the reason for buying a new system is specifically for FFXIV, then I'd go with the second one in a heartbeat.

I'd say you can get about 3500 on low on the benchmark. If you know how to overclock your CPU, you can probably break 4k.

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What do you recommend would be the best way to achieve better performance results?


With your system:

1. To improve benchmark performance on low, simply overclock your CPU.

2. To improve benchmark performance on high, get a new GPU.
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Important question.. I put the heatsink/CPU in and then turned it on for maybe 30 seconds (i didnt have a HD in I was just testing to see if the system would turn on.) After that I remoeved the heatsink and the thermal grease is kinda grey color.. Is it ok that I put it back on with out scrapping the old off and putting on a new layer of grease?? or should i just put on a new layer


You -can- put it back on, but I'd really recommend applying a new layer.
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Graphics Card
SAPPHIRE 100283L Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB - $169.99
Power Supply
CORSAIR CMPSU-550VX - $79.99
RAM
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) - $81.99
Processor
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz - $159.99

Final Price $646.94

Any more suggestions.. hehe Ive added $150 on the the build, funny how the mentality of "its only 20 more dollars" adds up. =)


Looks good. However, definitely get a bigger PSU if you're planning on adding another GPU in the future (or upgrading it to a top tier card).

And touche to the "it's only 20 bucks more." I found myself saying that to myself one too many times, and the budget I set for my new rig DOUBLED. ; ;
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My question is this if I go with the 250 will i regret it for saving the money, or should i just pay the extra 70 bucks for the 460 "budget" card


Don't go with the GTS 250. Go with the HD 5770, GTX 260, or the GTX 460 if you don't mind paying for it.
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Hello everyone, new to the site and have been reading all the pages associated with this post. Thank you for everyone who has posted and will post to my question, you guys know your stuff! Last time I built a computer was in college when I was actually going to school for it, but I have since changed my job and have lost touch with the new tech out there when it comes to computers.

Anyways down to the meat and potatoes of my question for all you tech wise folk, I have a budget of about 1400 and I need everything, don't have a computer as we speak and don't have a monitor. Could anyone point me into the direction of a great rig that I could buy or put together that comes with all the bells and whistles that I need with it? I would like to play the game with really good settings, not mind blowing settings cause I know you need some deep pockets for that, but something that will make me happy with the quality of game play.

I'll leave it in your hands, and thank you again in advance.



I usually don't mind helping people at all when I can, but you should at least put some effort into it, not just let others do everything for you. Why don't you come up with a set, and we'll work our way up/down from there?
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*AMD Setup*

AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz ( or the new X6 )

COOLER MASTER Intel Core i7 compatible V8 RR-UV8-XBU1-GP 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler

CORSAIR XMS 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2000 (PC3 16000) Desktop Memory

GIGABYTE GV-R5876P-2GD-B Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress XT) 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1

MSI 790FX-GD70 AM3 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard

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*Intel Setup*

Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield 2.8GHz LGA 1366

COOLER MASTER V6 RR-V6SV-22PR-R1 DynaLoop CPU Cooler w/ Universal bracket

CORSAIR DOMINATOR 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)

PNY XLR8 VCGGTX470XPB GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 (x2)

EVGA X58 FTW3 132-GT-E768-KR LGA 1366 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard


I'm not sure if the 750 Watt PSU will hold the intel setup, I'd like to confirm that. My budget is max around 1.5k - 1.8, let me know what you think.


If you can change the motherboard on the Intel setup to dual channel, decrease the RAM to 4Gb, and use the saved money to upgrade the GPU to a GTX 480, I'd go with that. A 750W PSU should be fine unless you're overclocking.
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Hi id like some help with this pc please, id just like a second opinion before i drop my cash into it.

CASE: COOLMASTER ELITE 310 BLUE CASE + 2 FRONT USB
PROCESSOR: AMD PHENOM II X4 955 (3.20GHZ/8MB CACHE/AM3)-BLACK EDITION
MOTHERBOARD: ASUS M4N98TD EVO: DDR3, 2-WAY SLI, SATA 3.0GB/S
MEMORY: 4GB SAMSUNG DDR3 DUAL-DDR3 1333MHZ (2X2GB)
GRAPHICS CARD: 1GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX460 GDDR5 PCI EXPRESS-DIRECTX11
HARD DRIVE: 1TBWB CAVIAR GREEN WD10EARS, SATA 3GB/S, 64MB CACHE
COOLER: STANDARD AMD CPU COOLER

Is the standard cooler enough? Id rather not have to spend extra if i dont have to. Also are any of my other decisions completely retarded?

Id like to run this game on half decent settings, what are my chances of this being the build to get me that?



1. The standard cooler is fine if you're not going to overclock.

2. None of those is completely retarded.

3. It will be able to run the game very well on "half decent" settings.

4. :P
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Sager NP8690:
Link:http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np8690-built-clevo-w860cu-custom-gaming-laptop-p-2659.html?wconfigure=yes

By default, this laptop comes with:
CPU: Intel® Core™ i5-450M, 2.4-2.67GHz, (3MB L3)
GPU: Mobility Radeon HD 5870
RAM: 4,096MB DDR3 1066MHz Dual Channel Memory (2 SODIMMS) (Requires 64-Bit to utilize Full 4GB)
At a price of $1172.13 which works great for my budget.

The next one is the MSI E7405-080US Gaming Laptop.
Link: http://www.xoticpc.com/e7405080us-gaming-laptop-p-2823.html?wconfigure=yes

This one comes with:
CPU: Intel® Core™ i5-430M, 2.26-2.53GHz, (3MB L3 cache) - Standard
GPU: Mobility Radeon HD 5870
RAM: 4,096MB (4GB) DDR3 1066MHzDual Channel Memory
At a price of $1210.91.

First of all, are these laptops good choices, and if so, which one? And should I upgrade the CPU or RAM in either one? The most I would like to spend would be about $1400, but would much prefer it to stay in the $1100-1200 range.



Frankly speaking, neither of those is a good choice unless you're satisfied with running the game on pretty low settings. Mikhalia says it best:

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2. I don't want to spend over $1500.
3. I want to run FFXIV decently.

Pick two of the above.


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I decided to go all out and just throw in the "Intel Core i7-980X Extreme Edition Gulftown 3.33GHz" in. The 470 GTX are x2, so I can't go all out there. Hmm which motherboard would be suitable for the channeling. I'm always a bit lost when it comes to those small details. Thanks for the replay in advance. :]
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Threx I took what you said to heart, and all last night while on patrol I kept going to newegg and putting some stuff together. Here is what I got:

AMD Phenom II X6 1055T Thuban 2.8GHz Socket AM3 125W Six-Core Desktop Processor HDT55TFBGRBOX
ASUS M4A785TD-V EVO AM3 AMD 785G HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro Rev.2 92mm Fluid Dynamic CPU Cooler
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL7D-4GBRH
CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power ...
SAPPHIRE 100297L Radeon HD 5830 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ ATI Eyefinity ...
Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST3500418AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Rosewill Smart One ATX Mid Tower Computer Case, Black interior, comes with three Fans-1x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan, 1x Rear ...
ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM

Total price: 963.89


Then I went to cyber-power and built this:



* CPU: AMD Phenom™II X6 1055T Six-Core CPU w/ HyperTransport Technology
* HDD: 1TB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD (Single Hard Drive)
* MOTHERBOARD: MSI 770-G45 AM3 770 Chipset CrossFireX Support DDR3 Socket AM3 ATX Mainboard w/ 7.1 HD Audio, GbLAN, USB2.0, SATA-II, RAID, 2 Gen2 PCIe, 1 PCIe X1, & 3 PCI
* MEMORY: 4GB (2GBx2) DDR3/1600MHz Dual Channel Memory Module [+12] (Corsair or Major Brand)
* SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
* VIDEO: ATI Radeon HD 5830 1GB GDDR5 16X PCIe Video Card [+123] (Major Brand Powered by ATI)

price: 1071

My question is I haven't put together a computer in a long time should I do it myself or should I have it pre-built right out the box ready to rock and roll? Monitor and keyboard and mouse I'll buy locally or from newegg as well.

Thanks for the imput.


Edit: found this on newegg.com

a decent buy? just got money in my pocket and need to spend it haha....

Edited, Jul 24th 2010 9:29pm by Rizzo83
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Frankly speaking, neither of those is a good choice unless you're satisfied with running the game on pretty low settings. Mikhalia says it best:


Is it because of the CPU? I have yet to find a laptop with a better graphics card. I'm willing to spend $1500 if thats what it'll take, but I'm not entirely sure what would need upgrading. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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I'm interested in getting a gaming laptop, which I know won't be as good as a desktop, and I've been able to narrow down my search to two choices. For both, the graphics card will be an ATI Radeon HD 5870 which scores a 1211 on the passmark software score.


It really stinks that you're limiting yourself to a laptop. I can understand that you may want to take the computer to different places and play it elsewhere other than your home, but it really takes away your best options. I personally can't give you the best advice about what would be your best option, but I do know that there are pre-built computers on newegg that have better specs than the laptops you were mentioning and they were right around $1,100.
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If you can change the motherboard on the Intel setup to dual channel, decrease the RAM to 4Gb, and use the saved money to upgrade the GPU to a GTX 480, I'd go with that. A 750W PSU should be fine unless you're overclocking.


Upon further inspection of my PSU requirements I found out that to run 2 470 GTX, with a 3.2 ghz intel i7 960 Bloomfield, 6 gigs of ram ( triple channel ), a 7200 RPM hard drive and a dvd-rw drive it takes about 896 watts ( with load ) out of a PSU so I'm going for the 950 watt setup. I checked out some info here.
It's all about the intel i7 3.33ghz extreme edition cpu architecture. Comparing it to the bloomfield, you get very similar FPS numbers, so it's a bit overkill but still good data. If you have a budget of max 2k, and already have a good case with a hard drive and dvd rom, this setup is right for you.




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#438 Jul 24 2010 at 10:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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Would something like this be able to run XIV?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883103267

Or would I have to replace the graphics card?



Both your CPU and GPU are going to hold you back. Yes, it will run the game, but not at a great performance. The motherboard supports AM3 chips so I'm assuming you could throw in the Phenom II X6 ($200) and a lot of people here are saying good things about the GTX 460 (200-220). So you're looking at a $449 system with over 400 bucks worth of upgrades to get a good performance (but far from the best) out of the game.

Also, you're going to need (severely) an upgrade to your Power Supply. 220w wont cut it with modern high end video cards.
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Err I have a computer noob question regarding video cards while researching for upgrades.

What is the significance of clock speed vs. model number (whatever that stands for)? For example, while GTX 465 is more expensive than 460, its clock speed is always less than 460. So what makes 465 better? Same thing holds true for 5830 vs. 5850. And are clock speeds comparable across chipset brands? Reading all the posts about overclocking made me think that the faster the clock speed, the better card it is. So now I'm all confused...(´・ω・`)

Thank you for any help so I can narrow down my searches.
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Err I have a computer noob question regarding video cards while researching for upgrades.

What is the significance of clock speed vs. model number (whatever that stands for)? For example, while GTX 465 is more expensive than 460, its clock speed is always less than 460. So what makes 465 better? Same thing holds true for 5830 vs. 5850. And are clock speeds comparable across chipset brands? Reading all the posts about overclocking made me think that the faster the clock speed, the better card it is. So now I'm all confused...(´・ω・`)

Thank you for any help so I can narrow down my searches.


The 460 is a newer card than the 465. Most people are pretty well in agreement that the 460 is better than the 465 as well.

There are also more factors than just clock speed; the Radeon 5770 has a higher clock speed than the 5850, but less Stream Processing Units and is only 128-bit instead of 256-bit.
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Upon further inspection of my PSU requirements I found out that to run 2 470 GTX, with a 3.2 ghz intel i7 960 Bloomfield, 6 gigs of ram ( triple channel ), a 7200 RPM hard drive and a dvd-rw drive it takes about 896 watts ( with load ) out of a PSU so I'm going for the 950 watt setup. I checked out some info here


Is that because your running 2 video cards that it will require that much wattage? I am just wondering because I only have a 750W but im also only going with 1 video card the fermi 460. I just wanna make sure my psu will be fine. Also ill be running the i7 930 which i think is lower wattage also.
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I'm getting ready to go into my local (on the other side of the city, of course) Memory Express and build. Will be my first time building, I've gotten a lot of help here and have been reading as many of these computer posts as I can.

I have $1500 Canadian put aside, but I'd rather spend under $1200. (Saving for a downpayment on a house and even a few hundred dollars help.) These are the notes I've taken and prices I've worked out. Any comments would be wonderful. These are the notes I just jotted down so there are sentence fragments and questions to myself.

Processor: AMD Phenom II X6 1090T, i7 930? ~$300. AMD seems better for price? $200 one maybe?
Graphics:Radeon HD 5800 Series (30, 50 is much better, 70 even) ~$300 as well. Dedicated ram? (I don't fully understand dedicated ram yet). Other suggestions here would be good. Not sure if I want to get into Crossfire since we don't know if those issues will be fixed, right?
8 Gigs of Ram, 6 if 8 is more than ~$300. I probably won't need 8, will I?
6 Core - I've seen people here saying a 6 core is much better, is it worth the price? What is the price?
Good heat sinks and fans, will run long and hot with games. No clue about these bits and pieces. Or prices.
Power source - need some real help here, I haven't a clue.
1TB, but less if it costs a good deal less. I don't put movies or anything on my computer, so I'll cut costs on this. Will be getting an external hard drive from the States this fall anyway.
Half decent CD/DVD burner, no big deal. Cost for bluray? Only if it's $20-30 more.
Want ports on the front 3-4 USB front, few more in back. The case doesn't matter to me.
Has to have all the bits and such needed to use on 1080p HD 40" Samsung tv. And run games well on it.

Also, my sister needs to upgrade hers, she wants to spend under $600. It's about 4 years old and is Vista... don't know the specs offhand, but it runs ME2 and Dragon Age passably... She'll need a bit more Ram (will harvesting ram from my old computer work? It's old DDR3, so might not be beneficial, but could add another gig or so. I think she has 3 gigs currently.) She needs a new processor, definitely, and a new graphics card. Her computer is quad core. Will she need a new power supply too? I'm not giving much to go on, I know. Her computer was store-bought. Would it end up being cheaper just to get a whole new computer that will run the game on average settings?

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The 460 is a newer card than the 465. Most people are pretty well in agreement that the 460 is better than the 465 as well.

There are also more factors than just clock speed; the Radeon 5770 has a higher clock speed than the 5850, but less Stream Processing Units and is only 128-bit instead of 256-bit.


Uh oh, more computer terms! Anyway, I think I will narrow my searches to GTX460 and HD5830, since they are all within the $200~$250 price range (and maybe 5850 if I find enough stray quarters in the back of my drawers). Will probably post 2~3 final choices here before purchasing.

Thank you Mikhalia! And all the other posters as well, as I learned a lot by just reading through the whole thread.

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Since a desktop is out of the question for me, I have been searching for a good gaming laptop. Taking the advice of the people above, I have settled on a ASUS G73JH A2 laptop, which will be $1544.99.

The relevant specs are as follows:

* CPU: Core i7 720QM / 1.6 GHz
* RAM: 8 GB
* HDD 500 GB + 500 GB
* GPU: Mobility Radeon HD 5870

Will this work fine? I hate to keep asking, but I just don't want to spend that kind of money without making sure it would work. It doesn't have to play the game on max settings at all for me to be satisfied, it just can't be slow.


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I have a question that is a bit different. While I do want a game with pretty graphics, I am more interested in response times and performance. Do things like getting an ssd, high speed motherboard, and overclocking help in this area? If so are we talking about a helpful degree, or something virtually useless like microseconds? I know FFXIV will be different from FFXI, but the best example of what I am talking about is situations like claiming an HNM. Would these type of things increase how fast my PC registered that the NM had popped, and also increase the speed of of an action I take against it. From what I understand, this would be more effected by things like my ISP, the distance I am from the servers and the servers themselves. However, if increasing hardware speed would help to a useful degree I'd like to know. I did try to google it but most of what I found seemed to be flame wars and epeen, so it was hard to filter out the truth from the bullsh*t. Thanks in advance for any help.
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know FFXIV will be different from FFXI, but the best example of what I am talking about is situations like claiming an HNM. Would these type of things increase how fast my PC registered that the NM had popped, and also increase the speed of of an action I take against it.


Unfortunately this has little to do (comparatively) with your PC's speed as it has to do with internet/server connection. For example, two identical, high end PCs are camping the same HNM. One is in Japan and one is in North Dakota. The JP client will have the advantage due to there being (in theory) less server hops from the PC to the game server. That, and from what I understand, Japans overall internet quality (speed) is lightyears ahead of us in the US.

Even things like the delay pressing the button(s) to ready your weapon > seeing the in game graphic happen is based on connection. Of course there must be a hard cap programmed in. I doubt even Japanese players have it happen instantly.


This is all not to say, of course, that having a strong PC will help in this matter. To a degree it would, I'm sure.
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Upon further inspection of my PSU requirements I found out that to run 2 470 GTX, with a 3.2 ghz intel i7 960 Bloomfield, 6 gigs of ram ( triple channel ), a 7200 RPM hard drive and a dvd-rw drive it takes about 896 watts ( with load ) out of a PSU so I'm going for the 950 watt setup. I checked out some info here


Is that because your running 2 video cards that it will require that much wattage? I am just wondering because I only have a 750W but im also only going with 1 video card the fermi 460. I just wanna make sure my psu will be fine. Also ill be running the i7 930 which i think is lower wattage also.


Yea, with 1 fermi 480 you are set with a 750. The watt requirement goes only up to 500-620 with load with just 1 card. So you're good. If you want to SLI it up in the future though, you're gonna need a 950-1000 watt power supply depending if you go SLI and a PHYSX card.

Edited, Jul 25th 2010 6:16pm by AkkiZan
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My question is I haven't put together a computer in a long time should I do it myself or should I have it pre-built right out the box ready to rock and roll? Monitor and keyboard and mouse I'll buy locally or from newegg as well.

Thanks for the imput.


The system you listed looks good. :) I don't really have anything to suggest unless you feel like burning more money for upgrades. :)

Whether you should build it yourself...well, what do YOU feel like doing? If you enjoy assembling PCs, then by all means, it will save you a few bucks. If you're lazy (which I myself am guilty of sometimes), get a pre-built.

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No, it's because it's a laptop. =/

Laptops perform WAY worse than their desktop equivalents. You're probably gonna want a laptop with an i7 and a HD 5870 to run the game decently on low res. Forget about high res + high settings if it's a laptop. =/

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If you can change the motherboard on the Intel setup to dual channel, decrease the RAM to 4Gb, and use the saved money to upgrade the GPU to a GTX 480, I'd go with that. A 750W PSU should be fine unless you're overclocking.


Upon further inspection of my PSU requirements I found out that to run 2 470 GTX, with a 3.2 ghz intel i7 960 Bloomfield, 6 gigs of ram ( triple channel ), a 7200 RPM hard drive and a dvd-rw drive it takes about 896 watts ( with load ) out of a PSU so I'm going for the 950 watt setup. I checked out some info here.
It's all about the intel i7 3.33ghz extreme edition cpu architecture. Comparing it to the bloomfield, you get very similar FPS numbers, so it's a bit overkill but still good data. If you have a budget of max 2k, and already have a good case with a hard drive and dvd rom, this setup is right for you.



Ahh, I didn't notice you put 2x GTX 470 in your original post, my bad.

Yeah, if you're going to SLI GTX 470s, you're gonna need at least a 950W PSU. At least 1000W for dual 480s. If you're going to OC them further, then get a 1200W.

Check this out: http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp
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Upon further inspection of my PSU requirements I found out that to run 2 470 GTX, with a 3.2 ghz intel i7 960 Bloomfield, 6 gigs of ram ( triple channel ), a 7200 RPM hard drive and a dvd-rw drive it takes about 896 watts ( with load ) out of a PSU so I'm going for the 950 watt setup. I checked out some info here


Is that because your running 2 video cards that it will require that much wattage? I am just wondering because I only have a 750W but im also only going with 1 video card the fermi 460. I just wanna make sure my psu will be fine. Also ill be running the i7 930 which i think is lower wattage also.


Yes, it's because running 2 cards requires higher wattage. A 750W PSU is fine for a single 460.


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