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#1 Jul 01 2010 at 9:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Alright, cuz my current laptop will not be able to run XIV... It can't even run the benchmark -_- I'm doing some shopping around for PC's and was curious about a specific one at the moment (it's in my price range). So looking for all insight possible. Thanks. =D And sorry, I just copied/pasted the info it had. I will keeping looking at more PC's, and post them if this one's not good enough. Thank you.

# 3.0GHz AMD Athlon II X2 250u dual-core processor
# NVIDIA nForce MCP61P chipset
# 4GB PC3-10600 DDR3 SDRAM
# 640GB SATA hard drive
# LightScribe SuperMulti DVD burner
# NVIDIA GeForce 6150 SE graphics with up to 1919MB total available graphics memory
# Integrated six-speaker configurable audio with up to 5.1 channel surround sound capabilities
# 10/100 Base-T ethernet
# USB keyboard
# USB optical mouse
# 15-in-1 memory card reader: SM, xD, MMC, SD, miniSD, CF I/II, MD, MS, MS Pro, MS Duo, MS Pro Duo, RS-MMC, MMC Mobile, MMC+
# Two front USB 2.0 ports
# Four back USB 2.0 ports
# VGA, LAN, microphone/line-in/line-out ports
# Microphone/headphone jack
# PCI/PCI Express slots
# Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium, 64-bit
# MS Works 9
# Norton Internet Security 2010, 60 days of live updates
# HP MediaSmart software
# CyberLink DVD Suite Deluxe
# Measures approximately 16-7/8"L x 6-7/8"W x 15-3/8"H
# UL listed; 1-year Limited Manufacturer's Warranty
#2 Jul 01 2010 at 9:52 PM Rating: Default
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Well, beats the **** out of my computer that would probably run it comfortably... On low. XD
So I think you'd be more than set?
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#3 Jul 01 2010 at 10:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Haha really? Is it *that* good? It's like the cheapest of the PC's I was looking at on here. XD It's only $550 o.O and I can use my TV as a monitor till i can afford that piece.. There is nothing on the PC that could hurt playing XIV or anything? Since I am buying it mainly for that reason want to make sure it's perfect as my affordability can get. =P
#4 Jul 01 2010 at 10:30 PM Rating: Good
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This wouldn't work at all. That graphics card is something like 6 years old and wouldn't have even been that powerful when it was new. I'm honestly amazed you can still buy computers with that available. I don't even know what it means by "up to 1919MB total available graphics memory" it almost sounds like it's an integrated graphics card that doesn't have any memory on its own so it steals what it can from your ram. You can tell how old it is as it only has a vga connection to your monitor, not even dvi, let alone hdmi.

Where did you find this? They are really trying to sell you crap wrapped all pretty in a bow.
#5 Jul 01 2010 at 11:05 PM Rating: Decent
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>< Well if someone can give me anymore info on it, that would be cool. Here's a couple others I was looking at
(this one's more pricey @_@)
# 2.8GHz Intel Core i7-860 processor
# 24" diagonal widescreen flat-panel LCD monitor
# 6GB tri-channel DDR3 SDRAM
# 1TB 7200 RPM hard drive
# 16X DVD+/-RW optical drive, double-layer write capability
# 2GB Dell DataSafe online backup/storage for one year
# NVIDIA GeForce G310 graphics, 512MB memory
# Integrated 7.1 channel high-def audio
# Dell AX210 2.0 speakers
# Dell multimedia keyboard
# Dell premium laser mouse
# 10/100/1000 gigabit ethernet
# 19-in-1 media card reader: SD, miniSD, microSD, SDHC, MMC, RS-MMC, MMC+, RD MMC+, MMC Micro, MS, MS Pro, MS Duo, MS Pro Duo, MS Micro, CF I/II, SM, MD, xD
# Eight USB 2.0 ports
# eSATA, IEEE 1394a, RJ-45, S/PDIF ports
# Headphone/mic/line-in/line-out/speaker/subwoofer jacks
# PCI/PCIe slots
# Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium, 64-bit
# Microsoft Works 9.0
# 30 days of McAfee Security
# Approximate measurements: PC 19-3/8"H x 7-3/4"W x 20-3/4"D; Monitor 22-1/4"W x 15-7/8"H x 8-1/2"D
# UL listed; 1-year LMW




And there is this one, which would be really good for my price range too

# 2.7GHz AMD Athlon II X3 425 triple-core processor
# 20" diagonal Full HD widescreen LCD flat-panel monitor
# 4GB DDR2 SDRAM
# 500GB hard drive
# 16X DVD-R/RW drive
# Dell 2GB DataSafe online backup/storage for one year
# Integrated ATI Radeon HD3200 graphics
# Integrated 7.1 channel HD audio
# Dell AX210 2.0 speakers
# Dell wireless keyboard
# Dell wireless optical mouse
# 10/100/1000 gigabit ethernet
# 19-in-1 memory card reader: compatible with SD, miniSD, SDHC, MMC, RS-MMC, MMC+, MMC Mobile, MS, MS Duo, MS Pro, MS Pro Duo, CF I/II, SM, xD, MD
# Six USB 2.0 ports
# VGA port
# Headphone/microphone/line-in, line-out jacks
# PCI slots
# Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium, 64-bit
# Microsoft Works 9.0
# 15 months of McAfee Security Center
# Measures approximately 14-3/4"H x 17-1/2"D x 7"H
# UL listed; 1-year Limited Manufacturer's Warranty
#6 Jul 01 2010 at 11:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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# Integrated ATI Radeon HD3200 graphics



Integrated and Graphics go together about as well as Palestine and Israel.
#7 Jul 01 2010 at 11:17 PM Rating: Good
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Is it really that bad? I was reading the computer building thing and it said an ATI Radeon 2900 or higher.. and it's a 3200.
#8 Jul 01 2010 at 11:22 PM Rating: Good
It's really that bad. Never go with integrated graphics on a desktop. Never.
#9 Jul 01 2010 at 11:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Treillerti wrote:
Is it really that bad? I was reading the computer building thing and it said an ATI Radeon 2900 or higher.. and it's a 3200.


When you compare ATI graphics cards you cannot compare by the first digit in the series. Example, a 4870 is at least 10 times faster than a 5430. Just look at this hierarchy chart which shows performance descending from best to weakest and compare where the 2900 places with the 3200 in the other post. The 3200 is 10 rows below the 2900. I suggest you buy a computer with a graphics card thats in the top 3 rows(from the GTX 260 and ATI 4870) and up.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/graphics-card-geforce-radeon,2646-7.html


#10 Jul 01 2010 at 11:25 PM Rating: Good
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Oh, I see.. So do any of the 3 PC's I showed even have a possibility or should I still keep looking?
#11 Jul 01 2010 at 11:31 PM Rating: Good
They look ok. But for the love of God... stay away from integrated graphics! I can't even say this enough.
#12 Jul 01 2010 at 11:37 PM Rating: Good
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Haha, well what if I upgraded the graphics card on the integrated graphics eventually? But then I guess in the end I'd just be spending more.

Looking at Newegg.com, how about this one?

Brand HP
Series Pavilion Elite
Model HPE-112Y(VT637AAR#ABA)
Type Home / Home Office
Processor AMD Phenom II X4 925(2.8GHz)
Processor Main Features 64 bit Quad-Core Processor
Cache Per Processor 4 x 512KB L2 Cache
Memory 8GB DDR3
Hard Drive 1TB SATA
Optical Drive 1 SuperMulti DVD Burner with LightScribe Technology
Graphics ATI Radeon HD 4350 graphics card with 512MB dedicated graphics memory
Audio Sound card - Integrated
Ethernet 10/100/1000Base-T network interface
Wireless Card Wireless LAN 802.11a/b/g/n
Keyboard HP USB keyboard
Mouse HP USB optical mouse
Operating System Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

Is there something I should look for more? or maybe someone can show me something within a good price range off newegg to buy?
#13 Jul 01 2010 at 11:46 PM Rating: Good
That system should be fine. The graphics card might hamper you a bit, but it'll be playable for sure. And, the card can always be upgraded later.
#14 Jul 01 2010 at 11:50 PM Rating: Good
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Honestly, I'd like to find something I don't have to worry about upgrading. trying to find a desktop that pretty much has everything without spending an arm and a leg.. My limit would fall about the $1000 mark. >< If I can get a hand, that would be cool.
#15 Jul 01 2010 at 11:57 PM Rating: Good
Treillerti wrote:
Honestly, I'd like to find something I don't have to worry about upgrading. trying to find a desktop that pretty much has everything without spending an arm and a leg.. My limit would fall about the $1000 mark. >< If I can get a hand, that would be cool.


We're in kind of a weird situation right now. SE has made XIV to be fairly intensive on system requirements because they want their game to be technologically viable for years to come. This puts the people who are going to need a new PC, but will be on a budget in a weird position.

My PC will run the game, but I'm going to have to throttle down the graphics pretty heavily. I WAS going to buy the PS3 version first, while I set aside the money I needed to overhaul my PC. That plan's pretty much shot.

The system you listed will play the game. You may need to throttle the graphics back, you may not be able to play in 1080, but it'll play it. It's an awkward spot for a lot of people right now. In a few years time, this probably wont even be a consideration.
#16 Jul 02 2010 at 12:04 AM Rating: Good
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That system looks good other than the graphics; I'd definitely upgrade it to a radeon 47xx-49xx or 57xx-59xx.
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#17 Jul 02 2010 at 12:09 AM Rating: Good
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Hmm.. what if I didn't have as much as a budget? I'm sorry if I'm being pestering I'm just trying to get this done and ready by XIV's release. >< I'm looking through newegg & Dell. @_@ Dell could work because they have payment plan things even for the more expensive desktops.
#18 Jul 02 2010 at 12:12 AM Rating: Good
Treillerti wrote:
Hmm.. what if I didn't have as much as a budget? I'm sorry if I'm being pestering I'm just trying to get this done and ready by XIV's release. >< I'm looking through newegg & Dell. @_@ Dell could work because they have payment plan things even for the more expensive desktops.


If you're on a 1k budget, stick with that. You'll find a decent machine that will run the game decently. SE made XIV to have a huge ceiling. The current technology today, even with the most Godlike system probably wouldn't get a max score on High mode. Don't worry about that for now.
#19 Jul 02 2010 at 12:15 AM Rating: Good
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Treillerti wrote:
Hmm.. what if I didn't have as much as a budget? I'm sorry if I'm being pestering I'm just trying to get this done and ready by XIV's release. >< I'm looking through newegg & Dell. @_@ Dell could work because they have payment plan things even for the more expensive desktops.


If you can find a retail desktop that has a quad core i5 or Athlon II/Phenom II processor, then buy a video card and put it in, you'd probably be set. A Radeon 5770 will set you back about 150-160 and should get the job done at making up for the crappy onboard graphics that typically come with most retail systems. The only concern is making sure the PSU can handle it.
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#20 Jul 02 2010 at 12:51 AM Rating: Good
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I see I see.. Okay..

Well how's this?

* Inspiron Desktop 580 MiniTower
* Processor: Intel Core i5-650M Processor (3.20GHz,4M cache)
* Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium
* 1 TB SATA II Hard Drive (7200RPM)
* 8 GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1066MHz (4 DIMMs)
# 16X DVD +/- RW w/dbl layer write capability
1024MB nVidia GeForce GT 220
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# Dell 1525 Wireless-N PCIe Card
Dell 19 in 1 Media Card Reader
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# No Modem
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# 125V Power Cord
64BIT Operating System DVD
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# Mini Tower
Microsoft Works 9.0
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# McAfee Security Center, 30 Day
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Or is that Nvidia card still crap? lol Trying to find something with an already really good graphics card on it because likely I'll be on it as much time as there is day. That's why i'm pushing to find an already really good one with everything I need for heavy gaming and playing stuff in the background at the same time.
#21 Jul 02 2010 at 1:02 AM Rating: Good
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Or is that Nvidia card still crap? lol Trying to find something with an already really good graphics card on it because likely I'll be on it as much time as there is day. That's why i'm pushing to find an already really good one with everything I need for heavy gaming and playing stuff in the background at the same time.


Yeah, it is. You're going to have a hard time finding an affordable retail system that already has a good graphics card in it.

http://videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

Take a look at that site. I wouldn't suggest anything that scores under a 1200. 1400+ is good. 1700+ is great. 2000+ is spectacular.

I'm going to take a look around and see if I can find SOMETHING retail with a card that doesn't suck and edit my post when I do.

EDIT: From HP Take that, customize, and upgrade the graphics card to the Radeon 5770 for an additional $180 (I should mention that these cards can cost 140-160 if you buy one separately but you did say you wanted it to have it out of the box)

This one is also good. Again, upgrade the graphics card under customization options to either a 4850 (+$160) or a 5770 (+$180).

From Dell, this or this are fine as well. Customize with a Radeon 5770, 5870, or GTX260.

You're welcome to keep shopping around, but here are the main specs you want to concern yourself with off the shelf:

1) Quad Core processor or better.
2) GeForce GTX something or Radeon HD 47xx+ or 57xx+

Edited, Jul 2nd 2010 3:12am by Mikhalia
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#22 Jul 02 2010 at 1:10 AM Rating: Good
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Oh I see T_T Well thanks a lot. I'll keep an eye out if you edit your post. And I'll keep looking then.. got directed to alienware but usually price isn't worth it.. it's $1400 but here it is...


Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English
Cosmic Black, Alienware Aurora Chassis
Intel® Core™ i5 750 Quad Core 2.66GHz (8MB Cache)
1 Year Basic Service Plan
ATI Radeon™ HD 5770, 1GB GDDR5
8GB Dual Channel DDR3 at 1333MHz
500GB - SATA-II, 3Gb/s, 7,200RPM, 16MB Cache HDD
24X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) w/double layer write capability
Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio

Extra $50 I can add a Crossfire ATI Radeon 5670 1 GB GDDR5

but dunno if the price difference matters any.
#23 Jul 02 2010 at 1:16 AM Rating: Good
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Oh I see T_T Well thanks a lot. I'll keep an eye out if you edit your post. And I'll keep looking then.. got directed to alienware but usually price isn't worth it.. it's $1400 but here it is...


Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English
Cosmic Black, Alienware Aurora Chassis
Intel® Core™ i5 750 Quad Core 2.66GHz (8MB Cache)
1 Year Basic Service Plan
ATI Radeon™ HD 5770, 1GB GDDR5
8GB Dual Channel DDR3 at 1333MHz
500GB - SATA-II, 3Gb/s, 7,200RPM, 16MB Cache HDD
24X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) w/double layer write capability
Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio

Extra $50 I can add a Crossfire ATI Radeon 5670 1 GB GDDR5

but dunno if the price difference matters any.


$1400 is a lot of money, but yeah, that'll definitely run it fine.

I feel the need to repeat that you're paying more for retail than you would if you built it, but that's jsut because I'm preferrable to custom builds. If you follow the two guidelines I mentioned in my edit, you should be good. I bolded the two important parts in that build you listed.

HD size, audio, burner type... all irrelevant.

I'm also preferential to Professional versions of OSes because the sharing and security options are more robust, but your average user like yourself who has no idea what I meant by that (and that's fine ^^) wouldn't notice the difference. Home Premium will be okay; just don't get Starter/Basic or you don't get the spiffy Aero features like the taskbar previewing and such.

EDIT: Dell owns Alienware now, so if you go to Dell.com and tell them you want a gaming rig, it's going to point you to Alienware. The Studio XPSes I linked you should be okay with the GPU customizations. Alienware tacks on an extra 200-300 bucks (or more) just because it's an Alienware. Always have. They're nice computers and there's nothing wrong with them physically, but just like a Mac, you're paying for the name.

Edited, Jul 2nd 2010 3:18am by Mikhalia
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#24 Jul 02 2010 at 1:27 AM Rating: Good
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Oh wow, thank you so much for your help! I like the prices to the one's you found better. =D

So the cheaper one the XPS 7100 with an ATI 5770 1GB graphics card will be more than capable of running XIV on good quality full time?

And the AMD Athlon II X4 630, how well is that in terms of Quad Core's?
#25 Jul 02 2010 at 1:56 AM Rating: Good
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Treillerti wrote:
Oh wow, thank you so much for your help! I like the prices to the one's you found better. =D

So the cheaper one the XPS 7100 with an ATI 5770 1GB graphics card will be more than capable of running XIV on good quality full time?

And the AMD Athlon II X4 630, how well is that in terms of Quad Core's?


Right here:
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=AMD+Athlon+X4+630

Quad Core Passmark scores are 2100-4600ish and the Athlon II X4 630 scores about a 3100, so it's around the middle.

Again, I need to repeat for the sake of clarity that none of these systems will run FFXIV on "OMGWTFUBERPWNAGE" settings with everything maxed out, but they should run it at a comfortable medium. An Athlon II X4 630 and Radeon 5770 will probably net you a 3600-3800 on 720p on the benchmark. (I base this approximation on the fact that a Phenom II X4 925 and Radeon 5770 net me about a 39000-4000ish).

Again, if you want better performance, I can keep looking. A Phenom II X4 or an Intel Core i5 Quad will cost a little more and do a little better. A Phenom II X6 and Core i7 will cost A LOT MORE and do MUCH better. Ditto for a Radeon 58XX or a GeForce 400+. Again, you pay more and you get more.

But if you bought that system with that card, that's about the performance you could expect out of it (and since FFXIV is unusually high end, it will likely run most other PC games at max or near max). If that benchmark score is what you had in mind, that will probably get you there.
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#26 Jul 02 2010 at 2:14 AM Rating: Good
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Ah okay.. well it comes with the AMD Athlon II X4.. but I was looking at the benchmark and if i had a way to spend an extra $500, I could upgrade it to AMD Phenom II X6 1035T with ATI Radeon HD 5870 graphics.. which take a huge leap to almost the top of the the CPU benchmark. O_O and it's almost tempting.. I may need to save for it. It'd run me about $1,040.. i'd almost be concerned if I needed to upgrade memory from 3GB dual channel to something else. Hmm, I really have to consider the upgrade or not to that CPU, I would love to have a PC that I wouldn't have to upgrade for a really really long time and I'm only looking to play XIV & Aion on it, everything else is on console..
#27 Jul 02 2010 at 2:21 AM Rating: Good
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Ah okay.. well it comes with the AMD Athlon II X4.. but I was looking at the benchmark and if i had a way to spend an extra $500, I could upgrade it to AMD Phenom II X6 1035T with ATI Radeon HD 5870 graphics.. which take a huge leap to almost the top of the the CPU benchmark. O_O and it's almost tempting.. I may need to save for it. It'd run me about $1,040.. i'd almost be concerned if I needed to upgrade memory from 3GB dual channel to something else. Hmm, I really have to consider the upgrade or not to that CPU, I would love to have a PC that I wouldn't have to upgrade for a really really long time and I'm only looking to play XIV & Aion on it, everything else is on console..


Yeah, a Phenom II X6 and a Radeon 5870 would definitely skyrocket you forward in terms of price and performance.

I do remember someone mentioning that Radeon is putting out their 6000 series later this year; that could cause a drop in the price of the 5800s. The 5770 and 4870 retail for about $150ish, but the 5870s are currently untouchable for under $300. If the 6000 series causes them to drop, you might be able to pick one up cheaper, but I don't know how much cheaper they would be or how long you'd have to wait.

I'd definitely consider upgrading the RAM to 6-8GB at that point too; with a hexacore processor and a high end video card, 3 GB RAM seems so sad.

Again, this is all pie in the sky stuff; like I said, you spend a lot, you get a lot. If you wanted to set aside a $3000 budget, you'd be playing with a pretty sick system. :)

EDIT: Something I should mention about the realm of serious PC gaming that makes it different than console gaming...

With console gaming, there are flat increments at which you "need" to upgrade to keep playing the new stuff. If you have a PS1 and want to play PS2 games you need to buy a PS2. If you want to play PS3 games, you need to buy a PS3, and so on.

With computers, there's a much larger grey area. As a rule of thumb, the more you spend NOW, the longer it will be before you have to replace parts. If you spend $1000 on a system, it will likely give you another 2-3 years on top of what a $600 system would provide you with. Just like consoles, all purchases are made with the knowledge that you will eventually have to replace them if you want to keep playing better stuff. Cheap systems (<$400) will need to be replaced much sooner than good systems, which in turn need to be replaced less frequently than parts in high end systems.

So yes, the more you spend now, the longer it will be before you have to replace any parts again. If budget is a concern, then there's no need to go crazy though, although it is always an option :)

Edited, Jul 2nd 2010 4:26am by Mikhalia
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#28 Jul 02 2010 at 2:35 AM Rating: Good
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I'm very thankful to all your wonderful advice. So much for me to learn and take in. @_@ I may consider just getting the PC with the high-end and 6-8GB Ram. I can save a little more by doing so, I may not hit XIV in Sept, but definitely soon. And I'll never have to worry about upgrading my PC until the next game does a major overhaul or something. What kind of monitor would you recommend for a system like that though? I was thinking a 21.5" LCD that they have bundled with it? And if I really wanted to, would I be able to make a PC like that use more than 1 monitor? How many would it be able to handle if so?

Edited, Jul 2nd 2010 4:43am by Treillerti
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I'm very thankful to all your wonderful advice. So much for me to learn and take in. @_@ I may consider just getting the PC with the high-end and 6-8GB Ram. I can save a little more by doing so, I may not hit XIV in Sept, but definitely soon. And I'll never have to worry about upgrading my PC until the next game does a major overhaul or something. What kind of monitor would you recommend for a system like that though? I was thinking a 21.5" LCD that they have bundled with it?


There's no answer that's right or wrong for monitor size. I'm personally using a 19" 4:3 monitor and have no complaints about the size. I would imagine that a 21.5" would be fine; obviously a bigger screen will cost more and... be larger.

My suggestion to you is to go into a Staples/Best Buy or any other store that sells computers, look at their monitors, and figure out what size you like, then buy it online. It's a lot easier to judge roughly how tall/wide a monitor is by having it 3 feet in front of you instead of taking up a 3x3" picture on a computer screen.

Don't forget to factor in how much desk space you have, if that's a concern. As you can see by my setup, I really don't have much room to get a much bigger monitor without moving my iMac to the right and having the new monitor hang off the left side. Sure, I'd love a 27" or 29" or something gigantic like that, but if/when I were to upgrade, I don't think I'd have room for anything bigger than a 23", tops.

Like I said though, there's no wrong answer on this end.

Edited, Jul 2nd 2010 4:47am by Mikhalia
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Hey you have 2 monitors! I know I edited my last post too late it looks like, but I was curious on what it takes to run multiple monitors off one computer? I would like to see about possibly hooking up XIV and Aion at the same time, or is that asking too much even with getting something pretty extreme like what I'm interested in?
#31 Jul 02 2010 at 3:25 AM Rating: Good
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Hey you have 2 monitors! I know I edited my last post too late it looks like, but I was curious on what it takes to run multiple monitors off one computer? I would like to see about possibly hooking up XIV and Aion at the same time, or is that asking too much even with getting something pretty extreme like what I'm interested in?


Look again; I don't have two monitors, I have one monitor for my gaming computer (left) and I have an iMac (right). The gaming computer's purpose is obvious; the iMac's purpose is for music and for web browsing/IMing and such so that I don't have to alt-tab out to see who IMed me, or if I need to look up a map, I can leave it open on the other system, etc.

To answer your question though, if the card has two DVI ports, it should support two monitors. If you want to go to three or more, or if your card only has one port, you can buy a second card (either two Radeons or two GeForces) and link them with SLI/Crossfire. There is a little more involved in doing this, but it is doable if that's what you want to do. It will obviously cost more though. As I said, you can still run two monitors on one card if it has two DVI-out ports. This is my card; should give you an example of what I'm talking about.

Keep in mind that running two monitors or more does mean you're running the game on a higher resolution, which will cut down on performance somewhat. If you want to see what I mean, try to play a high end game (the higher, the better) you own now on max settings at your native desktop resolution, then turn the resolution down a bit but leave the settings the same. You'll notice an increase in performance. Same goes here; bigger resolution = your GPU needs to work harder.

If you're seriously considering a multi monitor setup with FFXIV, I would strongly recommend going that X6 and 5870 route.
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#32 Jul 02 2010 at 5:21 AM Rating: Decent
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http://videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

Take a look at that site. I wouldn't suggest anything that scores under a 1200. 1400+ is good. 1700+ is great. 2000+ is spectacular.

Cant believe the Radeon HD 4870 X2 is at the 1,536 mark!

I have an Asus tri fan HD4870x2 2GB card and its a monster. Nothing slows it down.
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I actually built a top end pc for $500-600. Anyways, this is what you do. Look for combo kits at Newegg or Tigerdirect usually motherboard, cpu, ram, and sometimes hard drive, and occasionally case and videocard. You can also get a barebones kit, which is fully assembled sometimes and just missing a few components. Avoid cheap motherboards like ECS or Biostar. I usually get ASUS, Gigabyte, or MSI. The key is trying to get the cheapest possible kit and combining it with other kits to make a whole system. If you didn't get a kit with a case, usually a $40-60 case with 450 watt power supply will do. The last big investment you'll need is for the videocard. 9800 GTX are now selling for less than $100 on ebay, and GTS 250 is on sale for $79.99 on Newegg this independence day. GTX 260 are about $120-150, and ATI 5770 same price. If you really want higher end, spend $250-400 on the following videocards GTX 465, 470-480, ATI 5850, 5870, 5950. For these videocards, you'll need a 550 watt powersupply and above with a 6 pin connector. You can SLI or crossfire(basically connect several videocards together) for a faster, more power intensive system, if you can afford it.
Here's the deal I got a few months ago: $79 for ASUS M4N78 motherboard with onboard 8300gt graphics; $150 for 1 TB hard drive, 2 gb of ram, and 3 ghz AMD athlon 64 x2; $19.99 for Blu-Ray/DVD Burner; $40 case with 450watt powersupply; and then the monitor, keyboard, and mouse I salvaged from older computer. So far, that's about $300 if shipping included, but some came free shipping also. At this point, I am fine with my current system until actual release when I'll have to buy a pci express videocard.

Now the fun part is sniping for videocards on ebay, new or used will do. Get the highest one you can afford, and if you want to wait until release, it will be much cheaper as well. I settled with a 9800 gtx which I got for $99 free shipping for now until the GTX 470s actually go down in price. I also spent another $40 for a 575 watt powersupply to replace the crappy power supply my case came with. So far about $450. That would be technically about $600 if you buy the Windows 7 operating system. (wink* pirate*). Future upgrades I want is a faster videocard, an extra 2 gb of ram, and a bigger monitor.
#34 Jul 04 2010 at 11:29 PM Rating: Good
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There's a lot of information to correct in this post:

Dodoy wrote:
If you didn't get a kit with a case, usually a $40-60 case with 450 watt power supply will do.


I wouldn't recommend anything less than 550-600W for a good video card and processor. Unless, of course, you don't like them and want them to live a short life.

Dodoy wrote:
The last big investment you'll need is for the videocard. 9800 GTX are now selling for less than $100 on ebay, and GTS 250 is on sale for $79.99 on Newegg this independence day. GTX 260 are about $120-150, and ATI 5770 same price. If you really want higher end, spend $250-400 on the following videocards GTX 465, 470-480, ATI 5850, 5870, 5950. For these videocards, you'll need a 550 watt powersupply and above with a 6 pin connector. You can SLI or crossfire(basically connect several videocards together) for a faster, more power intensive system, if you can afford it.


If you're fine with minimum settings all around and a low FPS, spend less than $140 on a video card. If you want 2000+ on the benchmark, I have to insist on GTX 2xx/4xx or a 48xx/57xx/58xx/59xx. When SE said that GeForce 9800 GTX were the minimum, they meant the MINIMUM. As in "You can ride a bike to work 30 miles away" minimum. It may work, but you probably won't like the results.

I keep saying this: The problem with SE's "minimum requirements for beta" are that they are abysmally low compared to the benchmark. Some people even have higher systems than what the minimum requirements indicate they should have and still score under 1500.

I'm not saying that you need a top of the line rig to run the game at all (although I can think of a couple posters who -would- say that) but the closer you are to the minimum, the worse your performance will be.

As yourself this: Would I rather spend $100 on a part and play the game at the bare minimum settings and have it STILL be laggy when NO ONE ELSE is ANYWHERE near me, or would I rather spend $150 on that same part and get decent performance on medium?
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#35 Jul 04 2010 at 11:48 PM Rating: Decent
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If you're fine with minimum settings all around and a low FPS, spend less than $140 on a video card. If you want 2000+ on the benchmark, I have to insist on GTX 2xx/4xx or a 48xx/57xx/58xx/59xx. When SE said that GeForce 9800 GTX were the minimum, they meant the MINIMUM. As in "You can ride a bike to work 30 miles away" minimum. It may work, but you probably won't like the results.


I hope you have that typed out somewhere and you just have to cut and paste it every time you need to repeat it to someone, *************. My fingers would get tired...

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I keep saying this: The problem with SE's "minimum requirements for beta" are that they are abysmally low compared to the benchmark. Some people even have higher systems than what the minimum requirements indicate they should have and still score under 1500.

I'm not saying that you need a top of the line rig to run the game at all (although I can think of a couple posters who -would- say that) but the closer you are to the minimum, the worse your performance will be.


I don't think you need a top of the line rig just to run the game, but I do think spending anything beyond $300 (ie. the price of a PS3) just to run the game at minimum settings is a waste. If you're going to go new, might as well push a bit and get something you're going to be happy with. Personally, if I just dropped $500-700 on a box of hardware to run a game and I still had to lower/disable all settings just to get 10fps in a crowded zone, I'd be *******
#36 Jul 04 2010 at 11:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Save money and build a computer yourself off of newegg. Could build a computer that could play it just fine, lag free, for 800 or less.
#37 Jul 04 2010 at 11:59 PM Rating: Good
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The One and Only Aurelius wrote:
Mikhalia wrote:
If you're fine with minimum settings all around and a low FPS, spend less than $140 on a video card. If you want 2000+ on the benchmark, I have to insist on GTX 2xx/4xx or a 48xx/57xx/58xx/59xx. When SE said that GeForce 9800 GTX were the minimum, they meant the MINIMUM. As in "You can ride a bike to work 30 miles away" minimum. It may work, but you probably won't like the results.


I hope you have that typed out somewhere and you just have to cut and paste it every time you need to repeat it to someone, *************. My fingers would get tired...


Funny you should say that.

The One and Only Aurelius wrote:
[quote]I keep saying this: The problem with SE's "minimum requirements for beta" are that they are abysmally low compared to the benchmark. Some people even have higher systems than what the minimum requirements indicate they should have and still score under 1500.

I'm not saying that you need a top of the line rig to run the game at all (although I can think of a couple posters who -would- say that) but the closer you are to the minimum, the worse your performance will be.


I don't think you need a top of the line rig just to run the game, but I do think spending anything beyond $300 (ie. the price of a PS3) just to run the game at minimum settings is a waste. [b]If you're going to go new, might as well push a bit and get something you're going to be happy with. Personally, if I just dropped $500-700 on a box of hardware to run a game and I still had to lower/disable all settings just to get 10fps in a crowded zone, I'd be *******************

THANK YOU!

Everyone else read the bolded part now.

EDIT: I also love how you knew I was talking about you with that one part :)

Edited, Jul 5th 2010 2:00am by Mikhalia
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#38 Jul 05 2010 at 12:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Save money and build a computer yourself off of newegg. Could build a computer that could play it just fine, lag free, for 800 or less.


Ya, lag free at minimum settings and if you avoid crowded areas. You can't build budget for XIV and expect lag-free. You can build a rig for $800 that will play the game, yes. Lag free? No.
#39 Jul 05 2010 at 12:52 AM Rating: Decent
The One and Only Aurelius wrote:
xthunderblazex wrote:
Save money and build a computer yourself off of newegg. Could build a computer that could play it just fine, lag free, for 800 or less.


Ya, lag free at minimum settings and if you avoid crowded areas. You can't build budget for XIV and expect lag-free. You can build a rig for $800 that will play the game, yes. Lag free? No.


He's right. Good luck not getting lag just logging in. FFXIV will not run that well on a $800 PC that you built yourself. It will run pretty good if you spend 1600 bucks. Now, before you go all ape sh%*I on me, 1600 bucks is not that bad when you consider that your PC will outlive your PS3 5 fold. SE has done us the favor of giving us a head start on what we will need. Don't believe me? The same PC i played FFXI on, the same one that got better graphics/performance than PS2, lasted as long as FFXI (i still have it), and i built it a year b4 it came out. How long has the PS2 been on the back burner now?
#40 Jul 05 2010 at 12:58 AM Rating: Decent
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You can get a pc with 3.41ghz quadcore, 1gb gpu, 4gb ram for ~800 dollars built yourself. More than enough to play it without lag on default settings.
#41 Jul 05 2010 at 1:06 AM Rating: Decent
xthunderblazex wrote:
You can get a pc with 3.41ghz quadcore, 1gb gpu, 4gb ram for ~800 dollars built yourself. More than enough to play it without lag on default settings.


Yeah, just because your specs sound nice, doesn't mean they are nice. Build your PC and run the benchmark. If it runs good then great. I'll be happy to be wrong. If it runs like crap, i won't tell you i told you so.
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Tenfooterten wrote:
xthunderblazex wrote:
You can get a pc with 3.41ghz quadcore, 1gb gpu, 4gb ram for ~800 dollars built yourself. More than enough to play it without lag on default settings.


Yeah, just because your specs sound nice, doesn't mean they are nice. Build your PC and run the benchmark. If it runs good then great. I'll be happy to be wrong. If it runs like crap, i won't tell you i told you so.


Here was what I spent to upgrade my system:

GPU - $150 (On sale from $170)
CPU - $130
MB - $100
RAM - $100 (On sale from 110)
PSU - $70 (On sale from $100)
OS - $140

Total - $690 (on sale from $750)

Here was what I already had:
HD - $60
DVD-RW - $22
Case - $70 (on sale from $90)
Monitor - $150
Keyboard & Mouse - $60 (on sale from $90)

Total - $362

Overall cost for all parts - $1052 ($1162 total value, $110 saved on sales)

Result was 2600 high, 4000 low.

You can get your system to a good benchmark score for $600ish if you already have HD/DVD/Case/Monitor/KB/Mouse/OS and just need to buy CPU/RAM/MB/GPU/PSU. $500ish, if you already have a good PSU, can maybe buy you the rest and you keep an eye out for sales.

I am slightly curious though:

xthunderblazex wrote:
You can get a pc with 3.41ghz quadcore, 1gb gpu, 4gb ram for ~800 dollars built yourself. More than enough to play it without lag on default settings.


I would like to see this 3.41 GHz quadcore, coupled with a Radeon 57XX/GTX 2XX or better, and a 600+ Watt PSU, a motherboard that isn't a hunk of junk, 4 GB DDR3 RAM, plus filling in the rest of the components and still come in under $800 -total- including Case, OS, etc...

Let's see...

Windows 7 x64 Home Premium OEM - $94 (Cheapest OS available through legal purchase; no pirating or "borrowing" an OS)
Radeon 5750 - $130 (This is the lowest card I could recommend that would result in results "without lag on default settings")
Generic Hard Drive - $55
Generic DVD-RW - $20
Keyboard and Mouse - $25 (They'll both be a piece of crap but I guess they'll work)
Crappy case - $20 (Strongly advise against this)
17" LCD Monitor - $110
4 GB (2x2GB) 1066 DDR3 RAM - $90 (I really cannot recommend RAM that isn't at least 1333, honestly)
COOLER MASTER eXtreme Power 550W Power Supply - $65 (Least expensive one that was made by a decent manufacturer; I really would advise 600-650W or more, but I'm working with what I've got.)
AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz - $180 (Because you were specific about the 3.41 GHz part)

This setup, which is using parts cheaper than I would really recommend if you want -good- performance, has come to $789, leaving $11 left and we're missing a motherboard.

The only way you're getting a GOOD system for UNDER $800 for EVERYTHING is if you already have some parts to work with. If that's the case, you can gut and upgrade your system's main pieces for $600-800 without much issue. But you're not getting a full system to come in under $800 without cheaping out in a LOT of places (I've already went way cheaper than I'd like with that system; cheap RAM, cheap monitor, cheap keyboard/mouse, and it really should have a better video card and power supply).
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CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727&cm_re=amd_phenom-_-19-103-727-_-Product 180
GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102858 160 (after rebate, without: 170)
HD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148451 44
Memory Modules (4gb ddr3): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145260 90(with rebate, without: 100)
MB: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130250 80
Case: 90
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371025 99
Dvd drive: 22 (if you already have one can slap it in, save 22 bucks)
Win 7 OEM OS: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754&cm_re=windows_7-_-32-116-754-_-Product 95 (win7 home is free for students i believe)

Total: 860

Can get a few cheaper things which are of the same quality to make it under 800.

Assuming people already have keyboard, mouse, monitor....as if they ever owned a computer, they should.

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I spent about $800 on my system a year ago, (not including hard drives) and that can get a 2500 on high. Have no clue how people can talk about getting a $3000 system, it's just overkill.

I can't remember the exact prices, but they were about

CPU: Core i5 $225
GPU: Radeon 4890 $200
Motherboard: $140
4GB RAM: $150
Case: $70

Total: $785

I might upgrade the graphics card some time to get into the 3500+ range some time though. Will see how the real thing plays.

Edited, Jul 5th 2010 10:25am by Dizmo
#45 Jul 05 2010 at 9:20 AM Rating: Default
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You forgot a few things like the PSU, HD, OS.

Edited, Jul 5th 2010 11:21am by xthunderblazex
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Would like comments on this build

AMD Phenom II X4 925 Deneb 2.8GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Processor HDX925WFGIBOX

HIS H485FM512H Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600

500 GB HD

It just need to play FFXIV on low, good for 6 months, because after the ps3 release I probably wont touch it again on the PC. Any comments is appreciated an if anybody is interested in price, it comes out to about 494$. That is with the optical drive, motherboard, video card, processor, hard drive, and RAM included. The stuff I didn't put into pricing will be OS, monitor, case, power supply and keyboard. Any comments is appreciated and if anyone is wondering the processor passmark score is a 3,415 and the video card passmark score is a 1,335.
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xthunderblazex wrote:
You forgot a few things like the PSU, HD, OS.

Edited, Jul 5th 2010 11:21am by xthunderblazex


Oh yeah, I forgot PSU, but I said, not including HD. Just use your old ones, though, I am thinking of getting an SSD.

I don't see why you'd need to buy a new OS, just use the one you were using before?

Edited, Jul 5th 2010 12:21pm by Dizmo
#48 Jul 05 2010 at 10:31 AM Rating: Good
I've noticed that a few people have gotten annoyed with all the posts about system requirements and how to upgrade or build new pc's. I for one am greatfull to all of you for posting because I actually feel more "intermdiate" in pc knowledge now when before all of this I felt "complete noob". Heck I didn't even know about newegg before ffxiv released their benchmark program haha.

Just wanted to say thanks for all of the posts, especially Mikhalia.

*edit* All you people that get annoyed, please remember there are people out there that do other things for leasure or work that have absolutely nothing to do with the tech industry and literally need information like this now and again to keep up with all the changes.

Edited, Jul 5th 2010 9:36am by grindahll
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If you previously bought a OEM version, they're locked to your motherboard, if you bought a full version, there is usually a limit to the number of computers you can have it installed on, and if you're building a new pc, you probably want windows 7, and haven't had it before.

Edited, Jul 5th 2010 2:28pm by xthunderblazex
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Just a note also, do you guys recommend NewEgg for buying pieces ?

If I was to buld the computer myself I'd like to know if anybody has good or bad experiences with them.
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grindahll the Fussy wrote:
I've noticed that a few people have gotten annoyed with all the posts about system requirements and how to upgrade or build new pc's. I for one am greatfull to all of you for posting because I actually feel more "intermdiate" in pc knowledge now when before all of this I felt "complete noob". Heck I didn't even know about newegg before ffxiv released their benchmark program haha.

Just wanted to say thanks for all of the posts, especially Mikhalia.

*edit* All you people that get annoyed, please remember there are people out there that do other things for leasure or work that have absolutely nothing to do with the tech industry and literally need information like this now and again to keep up with all the changes.

Edited, Jul 5th 2010 9:36am by grindahll


Speaking on my own behalf; I don't get annoyed with specific people when they ask for help and I provide it and they have valid questions. I only get annoyed when someone asks for my advice because they don't know something, I give them an answer, and then they try to tell me how/why I'm wrong. Most people aren't doing that, and I have no qualms about helping them.
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