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#1 Jul 02 2010 at 5:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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First off, yeah, I'm bummed the PS3 release was moved back as I wanted to start on that instead of PC. I had planned on getting the game for both anyway as I like the freedom of switching, but even if I hadn't, and I was going to wait, the only thing that would annoy me would be the months of waiting.

I mean, it's an MMO. It's not like the game will be "finished" before I ever get a chance to play, so why do people always spout the nonsense of "being behind" and "I'll be handicapped" if they don't start minute 1, hour 1, day 1 of release? I didn't know we were all supposed to be racing for something...

Now, I do honestly see an exception to this: staying close to friends. If that is your reasoning, say no more; I absolutely understand.

But if that's not the reason, I just don't get it. I have played/seen exactly 1 MMO, ever, that the people who began earlier had a truly insurmountable advantage over those who came in later, and even the players of that MMO still found ways to make it work (that was EvE Online by the way...). I came into FFXI with the US PS2 release, I was a happy-go-lucky, casual player, and I still managed to experience anything in the game I wanted.

So really, what is it?


(a bit of clarification)

Edited, Jul 2nd 2010 1:54pm by WooShoo

Edited, Jul 5th 2010 1:26am by WooShoo
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#2 Jul 02 2010 at 5:35 AM Rating: Good
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I can answer that... Nerdrage (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nerdrage)

There isn't really any logical reasoning aside from being with friends. As you said, it gives time to complete the game more, so the PS3 users can enter into a moreso "bug-free" clean game.

The extra months PS3 users have to wait can be used, instead of ******** on forums, to go outside, do some work, exercise, enjoy life... While'st us PC users start to get pancake *** syndrom in only a couple months.
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#3 Jul 02 2010 at 5:59 AM Rating: Good
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People of Eorzea,
Do you suffer from the debilitating effects of Pancake *** Syndrome? PAS is a rapidly growing (or flattening) condition among gamers of the world. Symptoms include:
-playing games for more than 30 min. a day
-sitting down for more than 30 min. a day
-sitting down and playing games
-hunger
-changes in diet to more convenient foods
-eating while sitting down and playing games
-sitting down to urinate (especially men)
-sleeping while sitting down and playing games (or eating)
-the urge to buy a ridiculously overpriced "comfy" chair with extra-wide seat
-sticky, crumb-filled keyboards

If you find that you have any or all of these symptoms, or maybe even symptoms that aren't on this list...

...you're probably just like any other sane gamer out there who really likes the game they're playing.
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#4 Jul 02 2010 at 6:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't see how it would be handicap, personally I'm just upset that I have to buy a PC now to play it day one.
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#5 Jul 02 2010 at 6:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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When FFXI came out for NA, it has already been out for JP for over a year, and they do get the upperhand in discovering new things and setting prices and standards. Everything could be sold really cheap, giving you a chance to level up crafts high enough that you can control the market, then when the PS3 noobs come in, things become more expensive as the demand increases. You also get a higher chance at rare items before a bigger influx of players come in. For example, ever heard of a time when people said, "What is this Leaping Lizzy, or Stray Mary?" without joking? It really is not the same experience as looking at a guide or wiki following instructions to wait on this spot on the map. Ever wonder why 80% of the JP had Kraken clubs?

The difference between September 22 and September 30 players won't be that big, unless someone plays 24 hours a day. 6 month difference with PS3 players is a big deal, but of course, over time, that line evens out.
#6 Jul 02 2010 at 7:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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A whole thread of advantages, disadvantages, moaning and griping in another thread..here

Edited, Jul 2nd 2010 9:30am by deronguerra
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#7 Jul 02 2010 at 7:36 AM Rating: Excellent
It's not as much a handicap as an annoyance. Mainly due to douchebags with a headstart telling me I'm wearing the wrong tunic due to their parse data. If people would lighten up and have fun and be so sociable it wouldn't be an issue at all.
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#8 Jul 02 2010 at 8:07 AM Rating: Excellent
I think online games will always have those unique, know-it-all douchebags whether you start playing on day one or year two.

This is speculation, but I'll also be shocked if the game is much more than a shell by the PS3 release. Seems we won't be able to count on too much content, with the devs busy ironing out the PS3 version of the game.
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#9 Jul 02 2010 at 8:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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This is speculation, but I'll also be shocked if the game is much more than a shell by the PS3 release. Seems we won't be able to count on too much content, with the devs busy ironing out the PS3 version of the game.


They have a huge amount of manpower which is essential especially pre-release when the greatest amount of polishing happens.

I think there's enough for two teams, easily. Are you sure the programmers optimizing the PS3 version and the programmers developing content are even related? It sounds like whole different line of work to me.
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#10 Jul 02 2010 at 8:23 AM Rating: Default
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Can you explain to me why dumbasses like agamenos who posted below you keep claiming that it's an advantage?

Seriously, my rage is at 10 already and it boils over when I'm told that not only should I not be upset that SE ****** PS3 users but we should actually be happy about it in some way. (If it's such an advantage waiting 6 months then you and all of the other who are telling us PS3 users to look on the bright side should take a pledge right now and vow not to play until March 2011)

For me it's not about an advantage or disadvantage of starting in Sept or waiting 6 months that has me this close to having a restraining order filed agianst me from all of the e-mails I have sent SE, it's the simple fact that SE at the very least mislead us or at the worst knowingly lied. (This is where the fanboys swoop down and claim that it was just a simple translation error and SE didn't lie to anyone)This game was announced at E3 at a Playstain 3 Booth, it was shown running on PS3 hardware, it was shown again at this year's E3 at the Playstation 3 booth and the entire time SE claimed a simultaneous release.

You cannot sit there and type a response back to me witha straight face that SE had no idea that the over whelming majority of people believed that simultaneous meant that we would all start on the same day. (**** SE even lied about he PC launch to a lesser extent, they claimed simultaneous release and then told you if you give us a few more dollars we will let you in 8 days early)

And you're right it is a MMO that won't be over by the time PS3 users get into the game but the world PS3 users step into 6 months later will not be the same world that PC user got to step into 6 months earlier.

Anyone who played FFXI can tell you the rift in the player community that happened because the Japanese got the game a year before anyone else and to a lesser extent that same problem occured again when US PC players got into the game 4 months ahead of US PS2 users.

FFXIV was supposed to be different. We were all told that everyone would start on the same day and that everyone would get to explore and discover this "new world" at the same time.

We were lied to and the game experiance will be changed for countless PS3 users so stop trying to tell us that there is no "disadvantage" in it.
#11 Jul 02 2010 at 8:51 AM Rating: Default
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Anyone who played FFXI can tell you the rift in the player community that happened because the Japanese got the game a year before anyone else and to a lesser extent that same problem occured again when US PC players got into the game 4 months ahead of US PS2 users.

FFXIV was supposed to be different. We were all told that everyone would start on the same day and that everyone would get to explore and discover this "new world" at the same time.

We were lied to and the game experiance will be changed for countless PS3 users so stop trying to tell us that there is no "disadvantage" in it.


Oh, quit being such a crybaby.

Did the thought ever occur to you that they encountered issues in getting the PS3 version ready to ship and decided that it wasn't worth it to hold back on shipping the PC version just to satisfy the simultaneous release goal? Let's assume that initial PC sales of the game are thoroughly mediocre and they only get 250k players. That's still $3.25 million dollars/month in subscription fees. Would YOU turn up your nose at $3.25 million just so you could release on both platforms at the same time?

I don't think you would. I think you're disappointed and ****** off and you need a scapegoat and like so many other North Americans, when YOU are disappointed it means someone else must be morally deficient.

Grow up.
#12 Jul 02 2010 at 8:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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Do you know what it is like to start a brand new MMO with the rest of the world simultaneously? I would like to, but it's not going to happen.

It is NOT a handicap. Just something I wanted that I'm not going to get.

This forum seems to be the only place to vent frustration, amongst FF peers that can at least somewhat sympathize. Fair enough?
#13runway, Posted: Jul 02 2010 at 8:59 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) First let me say. **** You.
#14 Jul 02 2010 at 9:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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WooShoo wrote:
People of Eorzea,
Do you suffer from the debilitating effects of Pancake *** Syndrome? PAS is a rapidly growing (or flattening) condition among gamers of the world. Symptoms include:
-playing games for more than 30 min. a day
-sitting down for more than 30 min. a day
-sitting down and playing games
-hunger
-changes in diet to more convenient foods
-eating while sitting down and playing games
-sitting down to urinate (especially men)
-sleeping while sitting down and playing games (or eating)
-the urge to buy a ridiculously overpriced "comfy" chair with extra-wide seat
-sticky, crumb-filled keyboards

If you find that you have any or all of these symptoms, or maybe even symptoms that aren't on this list...

...you're probably just like any other sane gamer out there who really likes the game they're playing.


Hmmm must set up a room that has a toilet (with air freshener), tv, shower, mini fridge, wireless controlers that are waterproof and have a non slip grip. chair, garbage shoot and a window like in the drive throughs within arms reach on the chair for quick access of the delivery goods for wich you order.. am I missign anything? hehe


But yeah it does suck that Ps3 is delayed, its more of an annoyence for me due to teh fact was lookign forward to the 2010 release of the game. Now gotta wait.. hate waiting :P still going to play it though, may even buy the copy for PC and I dont even have a pc that will run it. lol. hmm.. ~breaks into sombodys house installs ffxiv on there pc gets arested because didnt leave chair. "but officer.. i had to see if it would run the game before I stole it!!" ~
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#15 Jul 02 2010 at 9:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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This is just a small suggestion, and I'm definitely not saying you don't have a right to an opinion, but if you're going to be playing on the PC, you probably shouldn't be the one to tell PS3 players they're being ridiculous. You're not in their shoes, first of all, and second of all it will probably just make them even more angry because you're reminding them you get to play and they don't. ^^;
#16 Jul 02 2010 at 9:06 AM Rating: Default
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Oh, quit being such a crybaby.

Did the thought ever occur to you that they encountered issues in getting the PS3 version ready to ship and decided that it wasn't worth it to hold back on shipping the PC version just to satisfy the simultaneous release goal? Let's assume that initial PC sales of the game are thoroughly mediocre and they only get 250k players. That's still $3.25 million dollars/month in subscription fees. Would YOU turn up your nose at $3.25 million just so you could release on both platforms at the same time?

I don't think you would. I think you're disappointed and ****** off and you need a scapegoat and like so many other North Americans, when YOU are disappointed it means someone else must be morally deficient.


First let me say. @#%^ You.


I have a moral dilemma at this point, so I'm going to ask for poster help in determining what the appropriate course of action might be:

Crybaby with raw nerves after being told Santa is coming 6 months later than anticipated for PS3. Do I:
Leave him alone; his tears will dry soon enough.:3 (8.6%)
Poke and prod and start a "Countdown to Emoplosion".:10 (28.6%)
Wait until September, buy the game for PC, and PM them with daily screenshots with the caption, "Glad you're not here.":13 (37.1%)
<insert diabolical scheme for world domination here>:9 (25.7%)
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And Second if it is just a simple case of they ran into some technical difficulties then how about SE showing some respect for their fan base and simply explain the reason instead of continually pushing a simultaneous release.


Maybe they just sat down after E3 and crunched the numbers and made the final determination that they had to split the release. You can't always plan as far ahead as you might seem to think you can. You set goals and sometimes you can't meet them. That's the nature of the industry.
#17 Jul 02 2010 at 9:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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Or maybe, like dozens of other people have stated, the date is still just a placeholder. SE is notorious for swapping major dates around to the advantage of the customer, with the exception of FF13.

There are any myriad of reasons that the delay occurred, some or all of which might be resolved soon, there still is a PS3 beta on the near horizon after all. That fact was clearly stated by SE.

If, at worse case, 2011 is the release, there's really nothing that can be done about it. I certainly wouldn't suggest that PS3 users be happy about it...I'd be ****** too. However, steaming and fuming continuously for the next six months isn't going to help anyone, least of all yourself.





Edited, Jul 2nd 2010 8:12am by Dallie
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#18 Jul 02 2010 at 9:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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If you add in an option for diabolical world domination, you aren't going to get any other votes! ;)

That should be an option on all internet polls.

#19 Jul 02 2010 at 9:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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If you add in an option for diabolical world domination, you aren't going to get any other votes! ;)

That should be an option on all internet polls.



That's phase 1 of the diabolical plan for world domination. That way, when everyone who votes in the poll opts to select that one, they unwittingly provide me with grounds to launch the campaign of terror and malevolent profiteering. Then, when my evil fortress is on the verge of collapse and the allied special forces units are about to put an end to my ambitious scheme, I can simply say, "WAIT!! I took a poll! They all told me to do it!!" and the special forces guys will be like, ***************** got a point there. Alright, everyone stand down. ZAM is srs bsns."
#20runway, Posted: Jul 02 2010 at 9:40 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) LOL How cute, you honestly believe that SE had no plans to make PS3 users wait 6 months until a few week ago at E3.
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When I used to peruse the MNK forums, we had a saying there that bringing up a certain topic would inevitably draw in a lovely chap called Jhingles (SP) who was absolutely convinced that tanking with MNK/BLM and ice spikes would be awesome and wouldn't take "dumbass" for an answer. Now it seems we have a type of topic on the FFXIV general which will inevitably draw in the lovely maiden Runway, and I expect will continue to do so until and possible after the PS3 release (despite rumors that he is "done" with the whole scene out of anger).

May I be the first to say that talking about the PS3 release push-back can be considered a:

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#22 Jul 02 2010 at 9:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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They said simultaneous worldwide release.

Not simultaneous worldwide AND platform release.

Two different things.
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#23 Jul 02 2010 at 9:49 AM Rating: Default
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LOL How cute, you honestly believe that SE had no plans to make PS3 users wait 6 months until a few week ago at E3.

Once again if that was the case then maybe just maybe SE could have shown a little repsect for their biggest user base (console users) and explained what was going on instead of PUSHING SIMULTANEOUS RELEASE



When SE made the decision to split the release doesn't matter. Would it have made a difference if they had announced it a month ago?

And just a reality check for you, the overwhelming (and I mean overwhelming) majority of MMO players play on PC, not console. SE is one of the only companies in the world today to offer AAA MMO titles on a console. The majority of their Japanese users apparently favor console over PC, but Japan is a small portion of the overall MMO market. You got all the explanation you need...that it has been pushed back. Would you have rather they waited until retail release and explained then why there are no PS3 copies on store shelves? And you claim to be a grown-up? Try acting like it.
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First, runway, I do sympathize because I'm on the PS3 train.

Second, you do have the right to be angry.

Third, you're going about it completely the wrong way.

You're ranting to and at other players here, not SE directly. I doubt they even read these forums. All you're really doing is alienating other people to your feelings. We can't feel for you if we're mad at you.

Everyone will feel something from SE's decision.

PC users now have added opportunity in a head start on crafting skills. Now PC users, exclusively, get to set the initial standard of the games economy. They'll also have a considerably lower population, but I don't know if that's good or bad for them.

PS3 users will only get to experience the first 6 months through videos and stories. We will have a lower surge of sudden population when we do get to enter, though that doesn't nearly make up for not getting in at launch. I'm going to guess that we'll miss out on the pre-order items as well.



I've seen a few people that stated something like, it wasn't a big deal to start late in FFXI. Or, please explain why it's a disadvantage. I'm going to guess most, not all, of those people are able to play on the PC.

I started at PS2 FFXI launch too and I did enjoy the game even though we started considerably later than Japanese players. But, I will never know what the first year of the game was like. Maybe it was better, maybe it was worse. But I'll never know.

I'm still looking forward to playing FFXIV though. As I said, I enjoyed FFXI even though I got a late start there. I'm sure I'll still enjoy FFXIV.

It's just that it would have been nice to see the first sunrise.
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Simple solution to this. Make the PS3 an open Beta and let people have the ability to transfer their characters to the final release.

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#26 Jul 02 2010 at 10:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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Simple solution to this. Make the PS3 an open Beta and let people have the ability to transfer their characters to the final release.


I don't expect to see a PS3 beta. THe majority of testing that a developer would do in a beta for an MMO can be done regardless of platform. For all practical intents and purposes, if the servers are stable and the in-game issues are being ironed out (ie. PC beta/live), there's no need to go through the hassle of cranking up another beta test server and releasing PS3 beta clients and all that.
#27 Jul 02 2010 at 10:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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Complaining "directly to Square" will net you a computer automated response. Even if your inquiry is worded politely.

Not to say that you should not do so. I'm sure they are keeping a tally of how many PS3 user complaints they are getting. I seriously doubt any number of complaints would change the realease date though.

Release the part that's ready and start maiking money! Sadly, that's what I would do as well. But they can't come out and say that can they?
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The One and Only Aurelius wrote:
Harri wrote:
Simple solution to this. Make the PS3 an open Beta and let people have the ability to transfer their characters to the final release.


I don't expect to see a PS3 beta. THe majority of testing that a developer would do in a beta for an MMO can be done regardless of platform. For all practical intents and purposes, if the servers are stable and the in-game issues are being ironed out (ie. PC beta/live), there's no need to go through the hassle of cranking up another beta test server and releasing PS3 beta clients and all that.


I don't know that it would have to be a whole new server though, didn't they have a "Testbed" server called Atomos or something for FFXI where they would put new content before it was released into the mainstream (I believe it may have been the location for the 360 beta tests too)
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#29 Jul 02 2010 at 10:25 AM Rating: Excellent
Don't see why you're getting rated down for asking a question that's not rude nor insulting. oh zam.


But yes it is a handicap. You absolutely know there's going to be people playing 24/7 when it comes out, and 7(or whatever the actual number)*24 is actually a lot of time to get stuff done. FFXI suffered a lot because the people who got in early were able to monopolize crafts and control the market to keep themselves at the top. Now, after that experience, people are going to be trying to get in fast to make that happen for themselves. A lot more concerted effort to do it than before.
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#30SolidMack, Posted: Jul 02 2010 at 10:40 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Runway you freak settle down man - I was actually defending you in another topic but why you taking out your anger on everyone here? lol. You would think you'd have slept this off already - you need some anger management perhaps before a video game...and if you really want to play FFXIV this September, go buy a PC.
#31 Jul 02 2010 at 11:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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There are any myriad of reasons that the delay occurred, some or all of which might be resolved soon, there still is a PS3 beta on the near horizon after all. That fact was clearly stated by SE


You know what else was stated by SE? A simultaneous release.

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Maybe they just sat down after E3 and crunched the numbers and made the final determination that they had to split the release. You can't always plan as far ahead as you might seem to think you can. You set goals and sometimes you can't meet them. That's the nature of the industry.



Once again if that was the case then maybe just maybe SE could have shown a little repsect for their biggest user base (console users) and explained what was going on instead of PUSHING SIMULTANEOUS RELEASE


Uh, what? If they didn't know they were going to push it back, how could they have explained that in advance?

Here's a scenario for you: Let's say they had a goal to get both PC and PS-3 out on December 15th. As time goes on, the PC version is ahead of schedule, but the PS3 version keeps falling behind. In order to make their goal they start scaling back the features that they're going to include in the PS3 version, or they decide that they're going to cut back on some features for the entire game in order to get the PS3 version out "on time."

Now, right after E3 they have their monthly planning meeting, and this is the drop dead date to get the PS3 version out on time. At the meeting, it becomes clear that they're not going to meet their goal no matter what they do. They cannot do a PC and PS3 release before the end of the year. Yet, the PC version is practically finished and is ready to go into beta right now. In fact, now that the two don't have to be released simultaneously, they can move their target date forward to the last week of September. And, since they're not under any pressure to cut features, they now have a lot more work to do on the PS3 version, and it doesn't just get pushed back a few weeks, but a few months.

I haven't sat in on any S-E planning meetings. I don't know if this is how it played out. But I've been in plenty of other planning meetings in my life and this type of scenario is common. You have a goal, and you do every thing you can to make that goal, but if things change or the goal becomes un attainable, then you re evaluate. In some cases it means that where you wind up is far from where you initially planned, even though at every point along the way you were working hard towards the goal that existed at that point in time.

TL;DR version: S-E could have easily been telling the truth at E3, and things just changed. No matter when they announced the change, some one would have thought it was strange, or wondered how things could change so much in such a short period of time. It could be a conspiracy by S-E, or it could just be poor planning or dumb luck.
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Square Enix never said they were developing it on the PS3 and porting to PC. You should have done your research before impulse buying a Playstation 3. And they didn't say that PC and PS3 would launch on the same date. They said it would launch simultaneously meaning that it will launch worldwide on the PC launch date and worldwide on the PS3 launch date. They never said it would launch on both systems at the same time. Quit your whining.

And as for being handicapped when you start late it all depends on how you go about things. Are you going to look up all the information on a Wiki when you play? That will take the new experience away. Are you going to party up with people that have been playing 6 months more than you? That will take the new experience away. There's many examples. It just depends on what you do when you start. I do think anyone who has a PC should buy the PC version anyways. You may not have to upgrade your computer to play on low settings. Probably know more when beta starts in two weeks. I'm interested in what graphical settings you can modify.

Edited, Jul 2nd 2010 1:06pm by Excenmille
#33 Jul 02 2010 at 11:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't expect to see a PS3 beta.
They have already said they are going to have a PS3 beta because the PS3 is going to have specific issues to work out not native to PC like font sizes on different size TV. FFXI had a PS2 beta before release in March 2004.

As someone has stated before though is that release dates can slip very easy depending on how beta goes. Also the PS3 release can move forward is everything goes well in PS3 beta.

I also wanted to get it on PS3 first because I got a such a low score in benchmark but my laptop exceed the pc requirements so I'm just going to buy pc anyway and see how it goes.

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BTW everyone this is more a rant just for me, not directed at any of you. Just needed a good rant lol so read if you want.

Well for me I was planning on starting with my cousins and friends both online and RL, I was going to start on Ps3 the majority of the people I will be playing with will be playing computer. Do you see the problem... no well let me explain. When I heard there was going to be a simultaneous release worldwide I assumed it would include cross-platform, it has now come to many peoples attention that the Ps3 is being pushed back 6 months with no news on a open beta happening for it. Now this is where MANY OTHERS AND MY problem come in, alot of us were looking forward to starting an amazing new game together, to being able to explores a virgin virtual reality, free of guides, free of the so called "right way to play" and if you don't follow that way your a NOOB. The first moments of an MMORPG are it's best, nothing is known and everything seems so vast. People come together at the main towns sharing their experiences of adventuring and as such pass on knowledge they have gained in the world allowing others to eventually discover it on there own. Everyone I was going to playing with were all very excited to be able to experience this new world together, from the first guildleve we complete, to the first wipe, to the stories and adventures to be had.

Now some of us will have to wait 6months and by the time they get online. Those of us who played early will be battered veteran, and I'm sure some of us will have also lost the twinkle in our eyes. These new players will becoming into guides, they will be forced to play there class a certain way because it is more "efficient" . Never getting to fully explore their class. Those who will be new crafters will have to fight their way through financially well established crafters.

Now I know there will be those that say well in 4 years no one will care, but My friends and I care, all of us were wanting to share this game and play through it together. Now some of us will come into the world 6months later, and that is depressing.




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#35 Jul 02 2010 at 11:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/#/about/game_info

On this page you will find the following:

The FINAL FANTASY XIV PlayStation 3 system version will be available early March 2011, with pricing to be announced at a later time.

I was also looking for something official about the March PS3 date, and found it. I'll admit I had some small hope that this wasn't official yet, but alas, it's true.

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If you really wanna talk about who has the advantages its the Alpha/Beta testers! They are the first to play the game and they will have the upper hand at launch. They will know where to go and have an idea of what skills work together. It will be the same for the PC users by the time the PS3 version comes out. PC users are going to be dealing with a lot of trial and error, what classes work well together, how to complete guildleves, crafting recipes and where to go for them etc. By the time the PS3 version comes out there would be leveling guilds, crafting guilds, etc. PS3 users who have friends that started during the PPC launch will have high levels to help them with quests and etc. So in all honesty PS3 users seem to have the biggest advantages. I bet PS3 users level faster! Also I do think that the PC release is basically a paid beta until PS3 version comes out and its fully launched! It sucks that both platforms won't be released at the same time, but its not the end of the world.
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It is so the end of the world! Oh, wait. Dangit, I guess you're right. Can we complain about it just a bit longer? Pleeease.
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I'm a little surprised at how many people missed the point of my topic (the hostility of this board baffles me at times). To clarify, I am not bashing PS3 players at all. I am questioning the idea of being "handicapped" by getting into the game later. Now while this may include PS3 players, it is directed at any player who feels that not being able to start at release will handicap them whether they are joining the game late or not, whether they are PC or PS3. I mentioned the bit about PS3 in my OP because if the release dates were the same for both platforms, I would have gone with PS3. If anyone thought I was directing this post specifically at PS3 players, I wasn't; that was probably just poor writing on my part at 4 in the morning...
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If you really wanna talk about who has the advantages its the Alpha/Beta testers! They are the first to play the game and they will have the upper hand at launch. They will know where to go and have an idea of what skills work together. It will be the same for the PC users by the time the PS3 version comes out. PC users are going to be dealing with a lot of trial and error, what classes work well together, how to complete guildleves, crafting recipes and where to go for them etc. By the time the PS3 version comes out there would be leveling guilds, crafting guilds, etc. PS3 users who have friends that started during the PPC launch will have high levels to help them with quests and etc. So in all honesty PS3 users seem to have the biggest advantages. I bet PS3 users level faster! Also I do think that the PC release is basically a paid beta until PS3 version comes out and its fully launched! It sucks that both platforms won't be released at the same time, but its not the end of the world.

I suppose that's true but I think I'm one of those people who doesn't want help in the game, I don't want to know where to go and what to-do. I believe I miss read the OP and apologize for my rant wall of text, it would appear PC players will be more handicapped due to server instability and bugs that weren't caught in the alpha/beta. I think I'm just upset cause it throws a wrench in mine and my friends plans. O well life will go on, will survive... I hope. lol

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I'm all about having the game feel new. That's the one thing in MMOs you can really only experience once, so I completely understand. As for PC players dealing with instability and bugs... /shrug. I am used to it after participating in enough game releases. It's just part of it all.
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#41 Jul 02 2010 at 1:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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For me, it's not a matter of being handicapped. I'm not seeing how the late release date is going to hinder anyone's advancement either.


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Simple solution to this. Make the PS3 an open Beta and let people have the ability to transfer their characters to the final release.


I don't expect to see a PS3 beta. THe majority of testing that a developer would do in a beta for an MMO can be done regardless of platform. For all practical intents and purposes, if the servers are stable and the in-game issues are being ironed out (ie. PC beta/live), there's no need to go through the hassle of cranking up another beta test server and releasing PS3 beta clients and all that.


I don't know that it would have to be a whole new server though, didn't they have a "Testbed" server called Atomos or something for FFXI where they would put new content before it was released into the mainstream (I believe it may have been the location for the 360 beta tests too)


My fiance and I actually started FFXI during the 360 beta. The server was named Hydra, and we had the option to transfer our characters from the beta and continue our game on the server of our choice. In fact, it was an incredibly smooth process if I remember properly.

As to the topic about advantages and disadvantages , my fiance and I are in a strange situation. We have one PC that will run the game at bare minimum requirements, one PS3 and plans for a new AW pc by September. The dilemma... what do we do? Share the good PC? Both wait until the PS3 release? Have one person suffer on the crappy PC until the PS3 release?

We began thinking about what these choices would really mean. What would be the disadvantage to starting late. . since I am the one playing on the PS3 . . I really could only come up with my patience. (or lack thereof) I've been drooling over this game for quite some time now and having to wait 6 months seems quite cruel.

Then, I began trying to find a silver lining. Perhaps getting a 6 month delayed start might have its ADVANTAGES. If you're the kind of person who likes to weigh other people's choices, it might be quite nice to wait 6 months and look at developing research. Or, perhaps you would have insight into making choices at the start of the game people 6 months earlier didn't know to make.

I definitely empathize with the frustration at the delay, I literally crave to play XIV. However, 6 months will most likely fly by and soon enough it won't even be a thought. No matter what we decide to do, I'm pretty sure I'll be ok.

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On this page you will find the following:

The FINAL FANTASY XIV PlayStation 3 system version will be available early March 2011, with pricing to be announced at a later time.

I was also looking for something official about the March PS3 date, and found it. I'll admit I had some small hope that this wasn't official yet, but alas, it's true.


Ouch. That's certainly more straightforward than an Amazon date.


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I'm a little surprised at how many people missed the point of my topic (the hostility of this board baffles me at times). To clarify, I am not bashing PS3 players at all. I am questioning the idea of being "handicapped" by getting into the game later. Now while this may include PS3 players, it is directed at any player who feels that not being able to start at release will handicap them whether they are joining the game late or not, whether they are PC or PS3. I mentioned the bit about PS3 in my OP because if the release dates were the same for both platforms, I would have gone with PS3. If anyone thought I was directing this post specifically at PS3 players, I wasn't; that was probably just poor writing on my part at 4 in the morning...


I think your word choice of 'handicap' is steering the question in a direction it can't be answered. Of course there's no handicap. Handicap implies a competition with a clear goal through which there can be a disadvantage time affects. It's not a race, most people aren't looking at this game and thinking "my sole desire here is to race to level cap as fast as possible".

They have a host of more complicated reasons for their play, and a late PS3 release can interfere with some of those.

For instance, there are folks that are really big into discovering how the mechanics of an MMO works. They're like the MMO equivalent of scientists, they like uncovering the mystery of the world around them and contributing to the community's general knowledge for accolade. A game with an established community (and content updates about a year off) presents less of an opportunity for them to discover something new or make a name for themselves.


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Maybe, but the term "handicap" isn't mine. I have seen that used countless times in posts about the different release dates. I was just hoping someone who really felt that way would actually put up a good post about it that might make me think, "Yeah ok, you've got a point..."
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As someone who is going to be playing on PS3 I am dissapointed. Heck I took a break from ZAM and returned today to find out this news. So maybe mad was a better way to describe my reaction a few hours ago. It's moved onto dissapointment now.

Why is starting later a handicap?
You said one of the reasons yourself. I'll miss starting at the same time with my PC playing friends. I'm sure we can all appreciate that. So I'll leave that point alone.
second, I was very excited about the idea of exploring new places before the vast majority of others. I'm sure that there will be expantions, and I'll eventually get my shot. But the initial excitment isn't there now.
Third, Starting later invites the " you should wear Y helmet instead of Z helmet for this job at that level" or "The only place to skill is ______" I believe they were called know-it-alls and other such things earlier in this topic.

Those are at least some of the reasons I can think of.

The flip side of course is that if people have started before you it means somebody around has to know how to get through that cave, or where that treasure is, or how to kill that boss...
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Now, I do honestly see an exception to this: staying close to friends. If that is your reasoning, say no more; I absolutely understand.


Good points made, and My experience was the same as yours in XI. I started at NA PS2 release, and in no way did I feel handicapped.

The quote above hits the nail on the head for a lot of the frustration, honestly. With FFXIV being the "spiritual successor" to FFXI, a LOT of existing LSes are (or were) planning to head to the new game together. Considering we have several hundred thousand players playing XI right now, the staggered release can potentially affect the plans of a Lot of SE subscribers.

We also have a sizable contingent of former players that had planned on joining back with friends at XIV's release. Remember, we didn't see XI's numbers significantly deline until the E3 09 reveal of XIV, so it stands to reason at least Part of the exodus is from people deciding to take a break until XIV drops. I kind of fit in this group. My wife and I left XI several years ago in anticipation of the birth of our daughter. Knowing that XIV (then codenamed "Rapture") would be coming down the road, we planned on getting back with our old pals then. Once XIV was officially announced, we started putting the plan in motion. A year later, we have nearly 20 people (from XI in most cases) anxious to join up... except a little over half were going to use PS3s. I don't know how many will, or even can, get the necessary hardware together, but I've already heard from a couple that won't. Words can't describe the frustration I feel at that.

Then, there's the evolving nature of the MMO community. Nowadays, people anticipate these games for years ahead of time. They frequent forums such as this one. They make friends while going over every minutiae of news and eventually, they make plans. There isn't a single fansite unaffected by this new segregation of the player base. There are several major fansites with whole forums devoted to LS/Company recruitment. Many of those "groups in waiting" have formed websites, elected officers, formed bonds. Few of those will go unaffected by the recent news.

In your post you said this was a reason you could easily understand, so I'm not taking you to task or anything.... you nailed it. But XIV is an MMO that people were planning mass migrations toward at a level we don't commonly see. I believe people are thinking of this as a rare case. I'm betting there's a lot more people affected by this (poor) decision than most give credit for. It may be more of the rule, than the exception, for this MMO.


By the way, while I don't generally think of it as a primary reason for most, I also understand the desire people have to step into a new game without everything detailed, without high levels running around, without experienced party members detailing strategies beforehand, and without job/gear predjudices firmly in place. Its FUN to be a part of an MMO on day one and assist in the discovery of its secrets. Losing that ability, when they had been assured for so long they'd have that option, is definitely a valid reason for frustration.
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Third, Starting later invites the " you should wear Y helmet instead of Z helmet for this job at that level" or "The only place to skill is ______" I believe they were called know-it-alls and other such things earlier in this topic.


That could actually turn out to be an advantage. If you were to start on day one, you might get to know these people when they're preparing to become know-it-alls and develop friendships with them only to reach the awkward point in the future where you realize that they' blithering smacktards and you have to try to find some tactful way to get away from them.

And as far as "The only place to skill is ______" goes, my stock response will be, "This isn't FFXI so go **** yoruself with your xp camps and irrelevant ***************

See, two problems solved right there ;D
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olaurelindorenan,

Thanks for posting about the FFXI 360 beta and the option to transfer characters directly to another server.

That means there is hope that we may still get into the PS3 beta and be able to continue into the regular game! Slim hope is better than none. Thanks again. :)
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There are advantages to starting late, no doubt, but who wants to hear about that at a time like this! ;)

Edited, Jul 2nd 2010 4:01pm by RufuSwho

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ascorbic, I'm jealous that you managed to contact so many of your old friends. Good luck with your link ^^(or whatever the new team will be).

I know I am being far too idealistic in this, but I sincerely hope people can resist the pressure to "wear this gear" and "only level here". My friends and I were constantly trying new gear sets and leveling areas, and we got to see so much of Vana'diel in such a relaxed way.

The one thing I am not looking forward to is the ridiculous nitpicking over gear/skills/leveling from the average player, especially at endgame. I've always said, "let a person demonstrate how they do their job before you critisize them", and "the person is more important than their skill". And before anyone decides to "correct" me on gear and whatnot, think about how this post reflects how I play the game. I'm definitely not an elitist. I'll take being casual and enjoying the people around me any day over being the best. ^^
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For the record, I'm playing on the PC. However, I don't think some PC players are being fair to the disgruntled PS3 users. Here is an example of what I mean.

Long ago back when WotG was released I was still playing FFXI on the PS2. For some reason SE screwed it up and NA(not sure about the JP) were locked out until SE shipped the disc. Meanwhile those on the PS2 where exploring the Past while the entire PC community was ******** how they got screwed. My memory is bit vague, but I do believe some people bought the PS2 version and used a DL torrent or something to go around this issue after awhile. It's funny how quickly PC gamers forget such things. Now the shoe is on the other foot and the console users are told to quit whining. I hardly call that fair especially considering how poorly SE worded their "simultaneous" launch.
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