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#1 Jul 02 2010 at 5:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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I was just looking around on G4TV.com and found this that shocked me. It seems they always ranted on FFXI and would continue for any SE MMO.

G4TV.com wrote:
brandonstrife asks What are the chances Final Fantasy XIV will be able to compete with WoW?

G4: We don't think anything will ever be a WoW killer. In fact WoW probably will only go away when and if Blizzard wants it to. However, Final Fantasy XIV looks amazing. The character creator alone blew us away. While it may not kill WoW, it will certainly give it a run for its money.


http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/706006/The-Ask-G4-Project-Your-Questions-Answered-Volume-5.html?utm_source=g4tv&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=TheFeed
#2 Jul 02 2010 at 5:29 PM Rating: Good
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Someone at G4 took Blizzard's **** out of their mouth long enough to comment about something other than WoW even existing? I'm impressed. Usually they just use the middle finger on their free hand whenever you mention anything else.

EDIT: Yeah, I'm probably being a bit mean. I guess in their own special way that was "something nice to say". Still, it has been no secret to anyone that G4 were never fans of XI.

Edited, Jul 2nd 2010 7:30pm by Mikhalia
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#3 Jul 02 2010 at 5:32 PM Rating: Excellent
Mikhalia wrote:
Someone at G4 took Blizzard's **** out of their mouth long enough to comment about something other than WoW even existing? I'm impressed. Usually they just use the middle finger on their free hand whenever you mention anything else.

EDIT: Yeah, I'm probably being a bit mean. I guess in their own special way that was "something nice to say". Still, it has been no secret to anyone that G4 were never fans of XI.

Edited, Jul 2nd 2010 7:30pm by Mikhalia



Haha, you beat me to it.
#4 Jul 02 2010 at 5:34 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, I'm probably being a bit mean. I guess in their own special way that was "something nice to say". Still, it has been no secret to anyone that G4 were never fans of XI.



Exactly, they're only fans of what will get the highest ratings. They're not trashing XIV right now until they see if it gets a decent size population.
#5 Jul 02 2010 at 5:36 PM Rating: Decent
I like G4. I watch several shows on that network. My favorite being Attack of the Show. I listen to a lot of what they say, but i NEVER take their game reviews seriously. They may be actually smartening up a bit now though with this statement lol.
#6 Jul 02 2010 at 5:39 PM Rating: Decent
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>.>; Dang it G4.

The Guildleve system? Trying to launch to the global market with mixed servers? Trying to (eventually) integrate console gamers?
Of all the genuinely unique things Squeenix does with their MMOs, how in the holy heck did they focus on the most painfully average feature of the lot? Even when they're being nice they're so clueless.


Edited, Jul 2nd 2010 7:50pm by Zemzelette
#7 Jul 02 2010 at 5:47 PM Rating: Decent
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I hated xplay's review of XI years back, you couldnt even really call it a review it was like "we logged on for a half hour got to level 5 and that's our review."

They didn't even comment on how amazing the story line was or anything to look forward to in the game, but they did have enough time to say how there were alot of JP players who have been playing for a while?

blah glad to hear they made a comment about something other than WoW or star wars( even though that game does look pretty sick)
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#8 Jul 02 2010 at 5:53 PM Rating: Good
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I watch several shows on that network. My favorite being Attack of the Show.


Not trying to be a smartass, but do they have any shows anymore other than AOTS and X-Play? I had assumed it was those two, 12 hours of COPS and the remaining time filled with Cheaters.
#9 Jul 02 2010 at 6:05 PM Rating: Decent
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They used to actually show a little anime, and that's basically the only reason I watched them. Except for AOTS, but that was only because I worked nights and nothing else was on at 4 AM.

But yeah, I'm impressed that they have not yet made a **** in their mouths about XIV.
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#10 Jul 02 2010 at 6:06 PM Rating: Good
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Not trying to be a smartass, but do they have any shows anymore other than AOTS and X-Play? I had assumed it was those two, 12 hours of COPS and the remaining time filled with Cheaters.


Those are the only two that have to do with video games in any fashion. They have Web Soup and a new one called Effin' Science, don't really watch either but they exist. Any other shows are either cops or stuff that belongs on Spike for all I care.

Though they need to get back to showing some more Ninja warrior or Unbeatable Bonzuke.
#11 Jul 02 2010 at 6:14 PM Rating: Decent
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I had played FFXI for over 4 years before finally leaving the game. Anticipating FFXIV will be as fun as FFXI. But that said, I do believe that WoW will never really find itself threatened by any mmorpgs thru its lifespan. That doesn't mean FFXIV or any other mmo is inferior. FFXI is a success on its own right for it wasn't meant for everyone. WoW is geared for "carebear" and "hardcore" mmo gamers. My past experience with FFXI, the game needed dedication that most non-FFXI players shouldn't have been able to handle. Camping TODs would have made WoW, WAR, etc gamers screaming bloody ****.

I expect FFXIV to be as successful as FFXI.

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#12 Jul 02 2010 at 6:23 PM Rating: Good
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Klibe wrote:
I hated xplay's review of XI years back, you couldnt even really call it a review it was like "we logged on for a half hour got to level 5 and that's our review."

They didn't even comment on how amazing the story line was or anything to look forward to in the game, but they did have enough time to say how there were alot of JP players who have been playing for a while?

blah glad to hear they made a comment about something other than WoW or star wars( even though that game does look pretty sick)


Honestly, I don't see how you can get a reasonable opinion valid enough to provide an (allegedly) unbiased "media review" of the game in less than a day's worth of playtime.

I think the thing that ****** me off about G4 the most (once you set aside the fact that they killed TechTV, which I'm still sore about) is the fact that their opinion is directly proportionate to popularity and marketing. They spend way too much time touting how great the most popular stuff is and give only parting insults to unpopular things.

Now I'm not going to claim that how good a game is does not contribute to its popularity, but that's a one way street. It's logical that a good game could be popular, but it's illogical to claim that a game is good -because- it is popular.

Even in the commercials for WoW, the biggest part of the game they emphasize is not the game itself, not the leveling system, not the endgame, not the UI, not the customization; no, they focus around "This is a celebrity that plays the game. Everyone plays the game. Why aren't you playing the game?"

I won't even debate that the "Everyone is doing it but you" marketing method is effective. It works with a lot of products; not just MMORPGs but everything from retail stores to car insurance to fast food to vehicles to alcohol: Advertising the popularity of a product -does- sell more of a product because of the average person's inclination to be doing whatever is "popular"; it's why your typical **** sapien is one that shops at American Eagle, drinks Pepsi, eats M&Ms, listens to Beyonce.... it's why another **** sapien who shops at Hot Topic, drinks Faygo, eats Pocky, listens to Combichrist is "weird": Because they pick something different.

Without going further down that road, let me get back on topic:

That's all G4 is. They're a media source that reaffirms the popular opinion. They tell you what everyone else likes and display it as good. They tell you what everyone else dislikes and display it as bad.

Now sometimes a product is genuinely unpopular because it is bad, and sometimes a product is genuinely popular because it is good. But regardless of how good or bad a product is, G4 will polish a **** if that **** is topping the sales charts. Very little of their reviews actually review a product on its own merits; they are very heavily weighted by marketing and sales of the product.

If I want to know what everyone else is playing, I'll trust G4. If I want to know what -I- will like, I'll look elsewhere.
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#13 Jul 02 2010 at 7:02 PM Rating: Default
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Not trying to be a smartass, but do they have any shows anymore other than AOTS and X-Play? I had assumed it was those two, 12 hours of COPS and the remaining time filled with Cheaters.


Those are the only two that have to do with video games in any fashion. They have Web Soup and a new one called Effin' Science, don't really watch either but they exist. Any other shows are either cops or stuff that belongs on Spike for all I care.

Though they need to get back to showing some more Ninja warrior or Unbeatable Bonzuke.


Web soup is pretty funny, and Effin Science isn't too bad. Also, they used to play Code Monkeys, which was freakin hilarious. Also, the ladies from around the world or w/e show is pretty funny too.

EDIT: Oh yeah ... Ninja Warrior. If you don't like Ninja Warrior.... Well, i can't see how anyone can dislike Sasuke.



Edited, Jul 2nd 2010 9:10pm by Tenfooterten
#14 Jul 02 2010 at 7:26 PM Rating: Default
wow, sorry, i thought you might like Ninja Warrior.
#15 Jul 02 2010 at 7:30 PM Rating: Good
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Mikhalia wrote:
EDIT: Yeah, I'm probably being a bit mean. I guess in their own special way that was "something nice to say". Still, it has been no secret to anyone that G4 were never fans of XI.


I don't know about "never" - they did give FFXI a favorable review when it came out on PC, and again at PS2 release. However, like most of the rest of gaming media, they have since soured on FFXI - and not because they harbor some kind of grudge against SE. Simply put, FFXI has not aged well.

On the other hand, when the bulk of the Final Fantasy fan base likes to pretend that XI never happened, it's hard for the press to hold onto their previously positive opinions regardless of how it's aged.
#16 Jul 02 2010 at 7:37 PM Rating: Decent
Mikhalia wrote:
Klibe wrote:
I hated xplay's review of XI years back, you couldnt even really call it a review it was like "we logged on for a half hour got to level 5 and that's our review."

They didn't even comment on how amazing the story line was or anything to look forward to in the game, but they did have enough time to say how there were alot of JP players who have been playing for a while?

blah glad to hear they made a comment about something other than WoW or star wars( even though that game does look pretty sick)


Honestly, I don't see how you can get a reasonable opinion valid enough to provide an (allegedly) unbiased "media review" of the game in less than a day's worth of playtime.

I think the thing that ****** me off about G4 the most (once you set aside the fact that they killed TechTV, which I'm still sore about) is the fact that their opinion is directly proportionate to popularity and marketing. They spend way too much time touting how great the most popular stuff is and give only parting insults to unpopular things.

Now I'm not going to claim that how good a game is does not contribute to its popularity, but that's a one way street. It's logical that a good game could be popular, but it's illogical to claim that a game is good -because- it is popular.

Even in the commercials for WoW, the biggest part of the game they emphasize is not the game itself, not the leveling system, not the endgame, not the UI, not the customization; no, they focus around "This is a celebrity that plays the game. Everyone plays the game. Why aren't you playing the game?"

I won't even debate that the "Everyone is doing it but you" marketing method is effective. It works with a lot of products; not just MMORPGs but everything from retail stores to car insurance to fast food to vehicles to alcohol: Advertising the popularity of a product -does- sell more of a product because of the average person's inclination to be doing whatever is "popular"; it's why your typical **** sapien is one that shops at American Eagle, drinks Pepsi, eats M&Ms, listens to Beyonce.... it's why another **** sapien who shops at Hot Topic, drinks Faygo, eats Pocky, listens to Combichrist is "weird": Because they pick something different.

Without going further down that road, let me get back on topic:

That's all G4 is. They're a media source that reaffirms the popular opinion. They tell you what everyone else likes and display it as good. They tell you what everyone else dislikes and display it as bad.

Now sometimes a product is genuinely unpopular because it is bad, and sometimes a product is genuinely popular because it is good. But regardless of how good or bad a product is, G4 will polish a **** if that **** is topping the sales charts. Very little of their reviews actually review a product on its own merits; they are very heavily weighted by marketing and sales of the product.

If I want to know what everyone else is playing, I'll trust G4. If I want to know what -I- will like, I'll look elsewhere.


This sounds like every other Network. Because, that's how every other network operates. Now, don't get me wrong, because i agree with you, but i think you're just stating the obvious.
If i created my own T.V. show about red sharpie markers, i'd probably not get a spot in the lineup. Network TV has to follow the fads/pop BS, otherwise, no company would advertise with them.
So G4 is FOX is NBC is The gardening channel. If you watch the facial expressions on the hosts sometimes, you can see how they really feel about things.
#17 Jul 02 2010 at 8:06 PM Rating: Good
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MMO Report on G4 is mildly entertaining if you can brush off the occasional snide one-liners about FFXI players.
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G4 is a bunch of idiots who have no idea what they're talking about, about anything. The "opinions" you see aren't actually opinions, they're scripts. They American Gaming companies are paying off the American Media, wow what a surprise?! And a bunch of morons who probably have about as much experience in video games as your grandparents get up and read a rant heavy script.

G4 is to gaming what rap is to music.
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#19 Jul 02 2010 at 8:50 PM Rating: Good
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This sounds like every other Network. Because, that's how every other network operates. Now, don't get me wrong, because i agree with you, but i think you're just stating the obvious.
If i created my own T.V. show about red sharpie markers, i'd probably not get a spot in the lineup. Network TV has to follow the fads/pop BS, otherwise, no company would advertise with them.
So G4 is FOX is NBC is The gardening channel. If you watch the facial expressions on the hosts sometimes, you can see how they really feel about things.


Honestly, once you get further away to the offshoot channels like Gardening Channel, Science Channel, Food Network, they actually start giving their opinions (*gasp*) on things.

News shows are almost all either liberally biased or conservatively biased, and their reporting is always slanted. That's no surprise.

Like you said; most major networks are like this, you're right. I was just pointing out that because G4 is like most other channels in that everything they say comes with the bias of popularity and advertisement (or lack thereof) behind it, it's necessary to take everything you hear with a mountain of salt. That same can be said for FOX or NBC or anything else as well.
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#20 Jul 02 2010 at 9:13 PM Rating: Decent
Mikhalia wrote:
Tenfooterten wrote:
This sounds like every other Network. Because, that's how every other network operates. Now, don't get me wrong, because i agree with you, but i think you're just stating the obvious.
If i created my own T.V. show about red sharpie markers, i'd probably not get a spot in the lineup. Network TV has to follow the fads/pop BS, otherwise, no company would advertise with them.
So G4 is FOX is NBC is The gardening channel. If you watch the facial expressions on the hosts sometimes, you can see how they really feel about things.


Honestly, once you get further away to the offshoot channels like Gardening Channel, Science Channel, Food Network, they actually start giving their opinions (*gasp*) on things.

News shows are almost all either liberally biased or conservatively biased, and their reporting is always slanted. That's no surprise.

Like you said; most major networks are like this, you're right. I was just pointing out that because G4 is like most other channels in that everything they say comes with the bias of popularity and advertisement (or lack thereof) behind it, it's necessary to take everything you hear with a mountain of salt. That same can be said for FOX or NBC or anything else as well.

Yeah, a mountain of salt is right. I would like to say this though. The opinions of a network come from the advertiser with the most cash. So, we know that Microsoft, and Blizzard are probably 2 of the major funders of G4.
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