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#102 Jul 06 2010 at 8:25 PM Rating: Good
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With the video cards, I need a single card that would give about the same performance as the two, since both of my current cards pump out major amounts of heat, and the bottom on in the sli disallows me the use of my sound card as well as sitting half an inch above my psu. Which isn't exactly the card's fault, more of a combination of my motherboard and computer case. I would like to be able to salvage my mobo and memory if possible since I plan to give this pc to my little brother when I build a new one around december/january. Any help would be much appreciated.


I believe a GTX 280 will at the very least match, but probably outperform two 8800GTS in SLI.

Might I suggest waiting a bit and buying a stronger card later? It would seem like a terrible waste of $150-$200 just to match what you already have. With a score of 2300 you should be able to run FFXIV on modest settings until you have your proper upgrade in Dec/Jan. Also, the benchmark only uses one of those two cards you have, so you might actually be surprised when the game releases and uses both of your cards!
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Well that's some good news. I would love to have my current pc last for a few more months. Especially considering my money situation. Though I'm not exactly happy with the heat the two cards put out, especially so atm with the current heatwave upstate ny is experiencing right now. But with the ac cranked and my case open with a heavy duty shop fan blowing directly into it I can manage. Though I'm still not sure about my current cpu. If I could eke out a few more months with my current setup I would be extremely happy.
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Well that's some good news. I would love to have my current pc last for a few more months. Especially considering my money situation. Though I'm not exactly happy with the heat the two cards put out, especially so atm with the current heatwave upstate ny is experiencing right now. But with the ac cranked and my case open with a heavy duty shop fan blowing directly into it I can manage. Though I'm still not sure about my current cpu. If I could eke out a few more months with my current setup I would be extremely happy.


Well hey, it looks like there's a bit more promising info for you! With your socket you are capable of using a C2Q Q9550, which according to a benchmark ranking over at another forum can hit 4736(High)/5742(Low) if overclocked and paired with a 5870.

Only thing is that it'd probably be pretty dang pricey :(
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Well hey, it looks like there's a bit more promising info for you! With your socket you are capable of using a C2Q Q9550, which according to a benchmark ranking over at another forum can hit 4736(High)/5742(Low) if overclocked and paired with a 5870.

Only thing is that it'd probably be pretty dang pricey :(


Well **** that is good news, been checking that processor out for the last few days, going to have to scrimp on some of the minor vices for next couple months, Blackstone cigarillos to shorties and ease up a bit on my UK photoshop mags, birthday next week as well and my family loves to give money to celebrate it. So I should be good. If the cards don't cut come time XIV goes live I could prolly pick up a new graphics card in a couple weeks after.
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#106 Jul 07 2010 at 10:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Is this combo a good deal? I was thinking of adding a radeon 5850/70 for the video card. Would the 650w psu be good enough for it?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.432230

1. AMD Phenom II X6 1055T (Thuban) 2.8GHz 6 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Six-Core Desktop Processor (Model: HDT55TFBGRBOX)
2. GIGABYTE Socket AM3 AMD 870 Chipset SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Motherboard (Model: GA-870A-UD3)
3. Kingston 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Dual Channel Desktop Memory Kit (Model: KVR1333D3K2/4GR)
4. Antec Nine Hundred + EA650 Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 650W Power Supply http://www.example.com/
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Is this combo a good deal? I was thinking of adding a radeon 5850/70 for the video card. Would the 650w psu be good enough for it?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.432230

1. AMD Phenom II X6 1055T (Thuban) 2.8GHz 6 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Six-Core Desktop Processor (Model: HDT55TFBGRBOX)
2. GIGABYTE Socket AM3 AMD 870 Chipset SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Motherboard (Model: GA-870A-UD3)
3. Kingston 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Dual Channel Desktop Memory Kit (Model: KVR1333D3K2/4GR)
4. Antec Nine Hundred + EA650 Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 650W Power Supply http://www.example.com/



It's a good deal. But if you're going to buy this set mainly for the purpose of playing FFXIV, I'd try to find a set with a different CPU.


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Both Phenom II x6 CPUs score lower-than-expected results in the benchmark. The reason is still unknown, and it is also unknown how well they do in the actual game itself. At this point in time, they aren't worth it.


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Compare:

 
HIGH	LOW 	VGA 			OS 		CPU 		   		RAM 
4286 	6660 	Radeon HD5850OC 	win7(32bit) 	core i5 750 @ 3.67GHz   	4.00GB 
4155 	5259 	Radeon HD5850 TOXIC 1G 	win7(32bit) 	Intel core i5 750 @2.67 	4.00GB 
3811 	未試験 	Radeon HD5850 		win7(64bit) 	Phenom2 X6 1055T 		4.00GB


 
Low 	High	OS	Processor			GPU		RAM 
 
	3743	7x64	Phenom x6 1090T			GF GTX 480	4 GB DDR3 
5154	4064	7x64	Core i5 750 – 2.67		ATI 5850	4 GB DDR3  
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#108 Jul 07 2010 at 10:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Memory (RAM): 4096 MB
CPU Info: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+
CPU Speed: 3016.7 MHz
Display Adapters: ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series | ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series | NetMeeting driver | RDPDD Chained DD
Screen Resolution: 1280 X 768 - 32 bit

Was wondering if anyone can suggest some cheap upgrades for me so I can at least be able to hit 2500-3000? With my current stuff I am sitting at 2200 score and really am looking forward to playing this game, but don't want to play it with a system that will experience a decent amount of slowdowns.
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Memory (RAM): 4096 MB
CPU Info: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+
CPU Speed: 3016.7 MHz
Display Adapters: ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series | ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series | NetMeeting driver | RDPDD Chained DD
Screen Resolution: 1280 X 768 - 32 bit

Was wondering if anyone can suggest some cheap upgrades for me so I can at least be able to hit 2500-3000? With my current stuff I am sitting at 2200 score and really am looking forward to playing this game, but don't want to play it with a system that will experience a decent amount of slowdowns.


A quad core processor should bump you up to 2500+.
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#110 Jul 07 2010 at 11:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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Is this combo a good deal? I was thinking of adding a radeon 5850/70 for the video card. Would the 650w psu be good enough for it?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.432230

1. AMD Phenom II X6 1055T (Thuban) 2.8GHz 6 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Six-Core Desktop Processor (Model: HDT55TFBGRBOX)
2. GIGABYTE Socket AM3 AMD 870 Chipset SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Motherboard (Model: GA-870A-UD3)
3. Kingston 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Dual Channel Desktop Memory Kit (Model: KVR1333D3K2/4GR)
4. Antec Nine Hundred + EA650 Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 650W Power Supply http://www.example.com/


A 650W PSU should be fine with that rig.
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#111 Jul 07 2010 at 11:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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Threx wrote:
MortDivine wrote:
Memory (RAM): 4096 MB
CPU Info: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+
CPU Speed: 3016.7 MHz
Display Adapters: ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series | ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series | NetMeeting driver | RDPDD Chained DD
Screen Resolution: 1280 X 768 - 32 bit

Was wondering if anyone can suggest some cheap upgrades for me so I can at least be able to hit 2500-3000? With my current stuff I am sitting at 2200 score and really am looking forward to playing this game, but don't want to play it with a system that will experience a decent amount of slowdowns.


A quad core processor should bump you up to 2500+.


Indeed. Radeon 4800s are a little behind the 5770 but not much. Your processor is definitely your weak link here.

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#112 Jul 07 2010 at 12:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Alright, cool. So would something like this be fine?
#113 Jul 07 2010 at 12:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Alright, cool. So would something like this be fine?


Or how about this one which performs significantly better and is 20 bucks cheaper?



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#114 Jul 07 2010 at 1:33 PM Rating: Decent
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thanks, it even has a motherboard combo set :D
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Hey guys.

Been lurking the forums just recently, mainly because I get very excited with the idea of FFXIV. so excited in fact, that I really didn't want to count the days till its release date. Now that we know for sure, I am free to check everything out. september is just around the corner ^_^.

Like many here, I'm kind of disappointed with my benchmark scores...Around a year ago, exactly today, my old Lappy melted (one of these NVIDIA 9400M defective chips) and I had to buy a new one. I tried to go as far as money and a lappy could take me, back then (I really moved around too much: it HAD to be a laptop) trying to future-proof as much as i could so that I could play FFXIV.

(as things go, I'm not moving around hardly as much anymore, so might have as well bought a Desktop. hindsight being 20/20 and all)

Here's what i got:

Alienware M17x
Intel Core 2 Extreme CPU Q9300 @ 2.53 Ghz (quad)
4 GB RAM
Dual NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260M SLI
64 bit windows 7 home

I haven't overclocked (kind of looking into it, but haven't done it before and i don't want to ***** up the pc)

Ok so here are my most recent scores.

No change in .exe name:

Windowed mode: 1491 High (ouch) >_<
2623 Low

Full Screen (with the .dll that's floating around): 1603 high (eep)
2872 low

Then, following forum advice, i renamed the .exe to Crysis...

Windowed: 1475 high
2578 low

Full Screen: 1581 high
2866 low

I guess I'm glad that I should, at the very least, be able to play it @ low resolution .. i'm hoping getting rid of shadows and some other settings will help without it looking too bad. according to the results it should be able to play fine with default settings...whatever that means.

I'm just starting to look into buying a Desktop for FFXIV, but what with school starting and stuff, my $$$ is kind of an issue atm (what a difference a year makes!) but since i'm a gaming junkie, i know eventually i'll manage. Just so long as it has some sort of hdmi connection so i can hook it up to my LCD (haven't looked into desktops in a long, long time).


Maybe OC will help. but according to what i've read in the forums it doesn't really make that much of a difference when it comes to the scores. I guess I'll read up on it, and if the game plays too awful when installed, will try that.

Gotta thank the community for the loads of info you are all sharing. Can't wait to jump in on this game!
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#116 Jul 08 2010 at 6:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Oh boy...

So like, are people "now" beginning to catch the drift?

I post spec of my rig, built to play 14 a few months back. Got flamed to **** by folks who want to build """"BUDGET"""" PC's under a grand... yeah, to play this game...

Lol.. but OP gets a thank you now for telling people to go buy GTX 4XX... 3-4 months ago, I mentioned Core i7 Bloomfield being the best bang for your buck. Under $300, for a Core i7 2.66Ghz default, easily OC'ed to 3.66 with only an air cooler... I get sub-defaulted for "recommending" folks with $1500+ builds.

So are we now in agreement that people talking about "budget" PC's for high graphic demanding games are simply... "ill-informed"? It's like you want to take down Russia with just a pistol... yeah it'll kill you some Commies, but it's not going to win you the war. Can you run this **** on a Q6600? You probably can. You can most likely also get the game started on a Core2Duo E8400 with a single Nvidia 9800GTX, but are you going to enjoy the game on Low settings?

Anyway, so now I hope people would understand better why I wanna punch baby whales every time I hear "I'm building a budget system for FFXIV." You can't budget **** if you need a Core i7, GTX 4xx, 6gb DDR 1600 and a 750W+ sustained PSU with clean rails. Three components alone will cost you over a grand.

I'm not even gonna go into having a 80gb SSD for your OS and games, for faster Read speed... lol I just won't bother...
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#117 Jul 08 2010 at 6:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Quoted TextOh boy...

So like, are people "now" beginning to catch the drift?

I post spec of my rig, built to play 14 a few months back. Got flamed to **** by folks who want to build """"BUDGET"""" PC's under a grand... yeah, to play this game...

Lol.. but OP gets a thank you now for telling people to go buy GTX 4XX... 3-4 months ago, I mentioned Core i7 Bloomfield being the best bang for your buck. Under $300, for a Core i7 2.66Ghz default, easily OC'ed to 3.66 with only an air cooler... I get sub-defaulted for "recommending" folks with $1500+ builds.

So are we now in agreement that people talking about "budget" PC's for high graphic demanding games are simply... "ill-informed"? It's like you want to take down Russia with just a pistol... yeah it'll kill you some Commies, but it's not going to win you the war. Can you run this sh*t on a Q6600? You probably can. You can most likely also get the game started on a Core2Duo E8400 with a single Nvidia 9800GTX, but are you going to enjoy the game on Low settings?

Anyway, so now I hope people would understand better why I wanna punch baby whales every time I hear "I'm building a budget system for FFXIV." You can't budget sh*t if you need a Core i7, GTX 4xx, 6gb DDR 1600 and a 750W+ sustained PSU with clean rails. Three components alone will cost you over a grand.

I'm not even gonna go into having a 80gb SSD for your OS and games, for faster Read speed... lol I just won't bother..



This made me lol
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Oh boy...

So like, are people "now" beginning to catch the drift?

I post spec of my rig, built to play 14 a few months back. Got flamed to **** by folks who want to build """"BUDGET"""" PC's under a grand... yeah, to play this game...

Lol.. but OP gets a thank you now for telling people to go buy GTX 4XX... 3-4 months ago, I mentioned Core i7 Bloomfield being the best bang for your buck. Under $300, for a Core i7 2.66Ghz default, easily OC'ed to 3.66 with only an air cooler... I get sub-defaulted for "recommending" folks with $1500+ builds.

So are we now in agreement that people talking about "budget" PC's for high graphic demanding games are simply... "ill-informed"? It's like you want to take down Russia with just a pistol... yeah it'll kill you some Commies, but it's not going to win you the war. Can you run this sh*t on a Q6600? You probably can. You can most likely also get the game started on a Core2Duo E8400 with a single Nvidia 9800GTX, but are you going to enjoy the game on Low settings?

Anyway, so now I hope people would understand better why I wanna punch baby whales every time I hear "I'm building a budget system for FFXIV." You can't budget sh*t if you need a Core i7, GTX 4xx, 6gb DDR 1600 and a 750W+ sustained PSU with clean rails. Three components alone will cost you over a grand.

I'm not even gonna go into having a 80gb SSD for your OS and games, for faster Read speed... lol I just won't bother...


It's because some people don't like to hear the truth when the truth is inconvenient to them.

Squenix: The settings will be high.
Players: They won't be that high.
Squenix: No, seriously. They're gonna be REALLY high.
Players: Nah, we'll be fine.
Squenix: Here are the settings:
Settings: We require your first born child, the blood of your pet dog, and $50,000 worth of twinkies.
Players: Well, we have a doll, some ketchup, and a Mars Bar. That's cool, right?
Squenix: Here's a benchmark, put your donations in.
Benchmark: RRAARRRGGHHH!!!! FILTHY MORTAL!!! I REJECT THIS PITTANCE!!!
Players: The benchmark lies.
Benchmark: I WILL CONSUME YOUR SOUL!!!!
Players: Okay, well here's TWO cabbage patch kids, a picture of my youngest son, some of my puppy's worm-ridden fecal matter, and a Nestle Crunch. We cool, yo?
Squenix: ...
Benchmark: ...
Players: YEAH! ALL RIGHT! FFXIV TIME!
Squenix: Shoot us now.
Benchmark: Suicide pact oknp?
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New things coming soon, according to Taiwan.


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Intel typically doesn't let on about new processor models until launch time, but motherboard makers have to know before the market does so that it can prepare the hardware and BIOS to support the new chips.

According to DigiTimes' sources at motherboard companies, Intel will be rolling out new desktop options along with some lower price points.

Supposedly coming this month is the hexacore Core i7-970 at $885. Also this month will be a pair of Core i5 chips, the i5-870S and the i5-760 at $350 and $205, respectively.

Then in August, a Core i3-560 will debut at $138, while the Core i7-950 will fall from $562 down to $294.


Guess if you wait long enough before release things tend to be more within the budget.
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Oh boy...

So like, are people "now" beginning to catch the drift?

I post spec of my rig, built to play 14 a few months back. Got flamed to **** by folks who want to build """"BUDGET"""" PC's under a grand... yeah, to play this game...

Lol.. but OP gets a thank you now for telling people to go buy GTX 4XX... 3-4 months ago, I mentioned Core i7 Bloomfield being the best bang for your buck. Under $300, for a Core i7 2.66Ghz default, easily OC'ed to 3.66 with only an air cooler... I get sub-defaulted for "recommending" folks with $1500+ builds.

So are we now in agreement that people talking about "budget" PC's for high graphic demanding games are simply... "ill-informed"? It's like you want to take down Russia with just a pistol... yeah it'll kill you some Commies, but it's not going to win you the war. Can you run this sh*t on a Q6600? You probably can. You can most likely also get the game started on a Core2Duo E8400 with a single Nvidia 9800GTX, but are you going to enjoy the game on Low settings?

Anyway, so now I hope people would understand better why I wanna punch baby whales every time I hear "I'm building a budget system for FFXIV." You can't budget sh*t if you need a Core i7, GTX 4xx, 6gb DDR 1600 and a 750W+ sustained PSU with clean rails. Three components alone will cost you over a grand.

I'm not even gonna go into having a 80gb SSD for your OS and games, for faster Read speed... lol I just won't bother...



I completely understand your frustration. I've been rolling my eyes quite frequently lately, as well, at people who just "don't get it."

However, you're exaggerating a bit. You don't -need- a Core i7, GTX 4xx, 6Gb DDR 1600, and a 750W+ PSU.

You'll be fine with just a Phenom II x4 755, HD 5770, 4Gb RAM, and a 650W PSU. That's a **** of a lot cheaper than what you've listed as "needed." :)

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#121 Jul 09 2010 at 12:59 PM Rating: Good
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tomshardware.co.uk wrote:
New things coming soon, according to Taiwan.


Zoom
Intel typically doesn't let on about new processor models until launch time, but motherboard makers have to know before the market does so that it can prepare the hardware and BIOS to support the new chips.

According to DigiTimes' sources at motherboard companies, Intel will be rolling out new desktop options along with some lower price points.

Supposedly coming this month is the hexacore Core i7-970 at $885. Also this month will be a pair of Core i5 chips, the i5-870S and the i5-760 at $350 and $205, respectively.

Then in August, a Core i3-560 will debut at $138, while the Core i7-950 will fall from $562 down to $294.


Guess if you wait long enough before release things tend to be more within the budget.


Nice find!

So in that case, my upgrade should look something like this:
 
CPU Core2 6600 @2.4ghz --->  Core i7 950 @3.06ghz  $294 
GPU EVGA Nvidia 8800GTS -->  EVGA Nvidia GTX 465   $289 
RAM 2GB                --->  6GB DDR3 1600         $159 
Mobo Asus P5B          --->  EVGA 141-BL-E757-TR   $179 
OS Win XP Pro          --->  Win 7 Pro 64 bit      $139 
 
Total:                                             $1060



Right now I'm running a 600W power supply. Should I upgrade this?



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Dang, prices are dropping really fast. Just last week an HD 5770 was 160+. Today it's 135+.


Osarion, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Right now I'm running a 600W power supply. Should I upgrade this?


I'd say at least a 650W.
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Dang, prices are dropping really fast. Just last week an HD 5770 was 160+. Today it's 135+.


I'm not a huge fan of the less expensive 5770s; not really familiar with their brands and i don't care to buy brands I haven't at least -heard of-. But yeah, that $135 one has been there.


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Osarion, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Right now I'm running a 600W power supply. Should I upgrade this?


I'd say at least a 650W.


Click here to figure out what PSU you will need.
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Then, following forum advice, i renamed the .exe to Crysis...


Hey InchKujata, you might have renamed the wrong executable. I made that mistake during my first test. You need to rename the executable within the /data subdirectory. See below.

I followed some other posts and renamed /FFXIVBenchmark/data/FFXIVBenchmark.exe to /FFXIVBenchmark/data/Crysis.exe and ran the benchmark program again.
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Then, following forum advice, i renamed the .exe to Crysis...


Hey InchKujata, you might have renamed the wrong executable. I made that mistake during my first test. You need to rename the executable within the /data subdirectory. See below.

I followed some other posts and renamed /FFXIVBenchmark/data/FFXIVBenchmark.exe to /FFXIVBenchmark/data/Crysis.exe and ran the benchmark program again.



Oh wow. Thank you so much for the heads up. As much as I've been reading and trying to follow instructions, I missed out on that bit. After renaming the correct file, my SLI kicked in and my score went up to the following:

High 2967
Low 3888!

This makes me a happy camper! Once the game is out and I can actually judge my laptop's performance, I'll consider grabbing a better PC if needed, but for now, I'm happy enough to know I'll be able to play on the release date!

Thanks again for taking the time to read my post and offer your suggestion. It's made my day ^_^ .





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#126 Jul 10 2010 at 12:48 PM Rating: Good
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Dang, prices are dropping really fast. Just last week an HD 5770 was 160+. Today it's 135+.


I'm not a huge fan of the less expensive 5770s; not really familiar with their brands and i don't care to buy brands I haven't at least -heard of-. But yeah, that $135 one has been there.


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Right now I'm running a 600W power supply. Should I upgrade this?


I'd say at least a 650W.


Click here to figure out what PSU you will need.


Very cool link, thanks! told me a 550~w would suffice. I'll probably stick a 700 in there just to be safe however.


I haven't heard anything one way or another on this, but do we know if XIV will support SLI/Crossfire? I'm hoping the benchmark isn't an indicator of this.
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Hey there. Just another PC rookie here, likely singing the same old story about how shocked I am that my settings are just barely up to par. -.- If anybody's willing to lend an ear (and maybe a hand - please?), I'd certainly appreciate it.

I took the FFXIV benchmark test, and this is what I got:

Windows Vista Home Premium (6.0. Build 6001) Service Pack 1 (6001.vistasp1_gdr.100218-0019)
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU
Q9400 @ 2.66GHz (4 CPUs). ~2.7GHz
NVIDIA GeForce GT 230

(Results from 1280x720)
SCORE: 1718
LOAD TIME: 12261 ms

(Results from 1920x1080)
SCORE: 888
LOAD TIME: 13335 ms

I purchased this system (Acer Aspire AM5800-U5802A Core 2 Quad Q9400(2.66GHz) 8GB DDR3 750GB NVIDIA GeForce GT 230 Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit) for around $800, expecting it to run most high-end games at least on medium settings. It's even able to run Aion on max settings, which I figured would be greatly similar in requirements to FFXIV. How wrong I was, heheh.

Now bear in mind that, when it comes to computer lingo, I'm the equivalent of a kid who took a month or less of Spanish and failed it, but I'm guessing (and praying) that this must have something to do with my NVIDIA GeForce GT 230, which I learned (thanks to the great links provided by the OP) has a benchmark rating of 582 and is therefore completely obsolete. My question is thus: Is this the root of my problem? And if so, what card would you recommend I purchase (preferably in the price range of $200-$250)?

Hopefully this is the only problem keeping me from reaching a score at least in the 3000s. I only just purchased this PC last year, so learning that it's become obsolete in a year's time would be devastating. ._.

Thanks again. :]
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#128 Jul 10 2010 at 12:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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Hey there. Just another PC rookie here, likely singing the same old story about how shocked I am that my settings are just barely up to par. -.- If anybody's willing to lend an ear (and maybe a hand - please?), I'd certainly appreciate it.

I took the FFXIV benchmark test, and this is what I got:

Windows Vista Home Premium (6.0. Build 6001) Service Pack 1 (6001.vistasp1_gdr.100218-0019)
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU
Q9400 @ 2.66GHz (4 CPUs). ~2.7GHz
NVIDIA GeForce GT 230

(Results from 1280x720)
SCORE: 1718
LOAD TIME: 12261 ms

(Results from 1920x1080)
SCORE: 888
LOAD TIME: 13335 ms

I purchased this system (Acer Aspire AM5800-U5802A Core 2 Quad Q9400(2.66GHz) 8GB DDR3 750GB NVIDIA GeForce GT 230 Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit) for around $800, expecting it to run most high-end games at least on medium settings. It's even able to run Aion on max settings, which I figured would be greatly similar in requirements to FFXIV. How wrong I was, heheh.

Now bear in mind that, when it comes to computer lingo, I'm the equivalent of a kid who took a month or less of Spanish and failed it, but I'm guessing (and praying) that this must have something to do with my NVIDIA GeForce GT 230, which I learned (thanks to the great links provided by the OP) has a benchmark rating of 582 and is therefore completely obsolete. My question is thus: Is this the root of my problem? And if so, what card would you recommend I purchase (preferably in the price range of $200-$250)?

Hopefully this is the only problem keeping me from reaching a score at least in the 3000s. I only just purchased this PC last year, so learning that it's become obsolete in a year's time would be devastating. ._.

Thanks again. :]


While the GT 230 isn't the greatest card for running the benchmark, you should at least have scored higher than you did.

1st, update your Nvidia drivers. Also, disable Aero in windows (I'm on XP so don't ask me how it's done lol). Then rerun the benchmark.

I'm running a 3 1/2 year old system and I'm getting upwards of 2100 on the low res, with a Core2 duo and 8800 GT.

Another thing to consider is how much of your system resources and processor is being used while idle. Are you running a ton of icons in your system tray? Are you running the yahoo/google/comcast toolbars all at once, with other widget type goodies? Get rid of 'em if so!
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@Osarion (sorry, I can't seem to locate the Quote icon >_>):

Yeah, I was shocked at how low I scored, even with the GT 230. /:

OK... And updating the drivers can be done via my Control Panel, right? I don't have to visit their website and search for it or anything of that nature? (I'll get rid of the Aero -- that shouldn't be a hard to figure out.)

My system tray...? If you mean were there any minimized windows in the taskbar, then no, just the ffxiv benchmark folder and benchmark program itself. Unless some programs (like Google) are running even when I don't have an internet window open? Most of the programs that came with the computer still exist (I haven't bothered to remove any unnecessary programs). Could that be a problem?

Thanks a ton for the feedback; hopefully this will keep me from having to bleed my wallet. :D

Edit: I got rid of Aero and, I'm pretty sure, updated my drivers. All of that allowed me to get up to a benchmark score of 1907 (on Low)...but that still doesn't cut it. Does this mean I should I look for a new graphics card?

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#130 Jul 10 2010 at 4:12 PM Rating: Good
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@Osarion (sorry, I can't seem to locate the Quote icon >_>):

Yeah, I was shocked at how low I scored, even with the GT 230. /:

OK... And updating the drivers can be done via my Control Panel, right? I don't have to visit their website and search for it or anything of that nature? (I'll get rid of the Aero -- that shouldn't be a hard to figure out.)

My system tray...? If you mean were there any minimized windows in the taskbar, then no, just the ffxiv benchmark folder and benchmark program itself. Unless some programs (like Google) are running even when I don't have an internet window open? Most of the programs that came with the computer still exist (I haven't bothered to remove any unnecessary programs). Could that be a problem?

Thanks a ton for the feedback; hopefully this will keep me from having to bleed my wallet. :D

Edit: I got rid of Aero and, I'm pretty sure, updated my drivers. All of that allowed me to get up to a benchmark score of 1907 (on Low)...but that still doesn't cut it. Does this mean I should I look for a new graphics card?

Edited, Jul 10th 2010 5:41pm by w34v3r


Well I was figuring around 2kish which is the bare minimum to run the game. You might be ok with 1900 with all effects down\off. But if you're willing to upgrade, go for the gtx 4xx series or 57\58xx radeons. Right now I think the best performance for a decent price is the gtx 465 for 279.99
#131 Jul 10 2010 at 7:15 PM Rating: Decent
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All right, so you're saying I should get this?: http://www.compusa.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6291882&CatId=3669

Looks good to me. :D This upgrade should hopefully boost me into the 4k category at least?
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#132 Jul 10 2010 at 9:31 PM Rating: Good
For the same price, i'd definitely recommend this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130557&cm_re=gtx_465-_-14-130-557-_-Product


EVGA makes solid cards backed by a lifetime warranty. You can't go wrong with these guys in my experience.



Ps. CompUSA? Wtf? I used to work for them, and the whole company tanked. They're back now, huh?

Edited, Jul 10th 2010 10:35pm by Osarion
#133 Jul 10 2010 at 9:58 PM Rating: Good
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For the same price, i'd definitely recommend this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130557&cm_re=gtx_465-_-14-130-557-_-Product


EVGA makes solid cards backed by a lifetime warranty. You can't go wrong with these guys in my experience.



Ps. CompUSA? Wtf? I used to work for tem, and the whole company tanked. They're back now, huh?


They didn't totally tank, but they did scale way way back. There used to be about half a dozen within 30-45 mins of me, now the nearest one is over 50 miles away from me (Baltimore, MD; nearest is in DE)
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#134 Jul 10 2010 at 10:14 PM Rating: Good
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Oh wow. Thank you so much for the heads up. As much as I've been reading and trying to follow instructions, I missed out on that bit. After renaming the correct file, my SLI kicked in and my score went up to the following:

High 2967
Low 3888!

This makes me a happy camper! Once the game is out and I can actually judge my laptop's performance, I'll consider grabbing a better PC if needed, but for now, I'm happy enough to know I'll be able to play on the release date!

Thanks again for taking the time to read my post and offer your suggestion. It's made my day ^_^ .


No problem. I knew exactly how you felt. I just upgraded my processor to a quad core and none of my scores changed. I felt like kicking myself for spending money on the new processor. I doubled checked and found my mistake. I'm glad my mistake could help others.
#135 Jul 10 2010 at 10:21 PM Rating: Good
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Ps. CompUSA? Wtf? I used to work for tem, and the whole company tanked. They're back now, huh?


They did go out of business, but the Florida based company TigerDirect bought them out. They also bought Circuit City for the name sake, I don't believe they have any of those stores but I can't spam from them.


Edit: It turns out that Systemax bought out CompUSA. TigerDirect is a Systemax subsidiary. My apologies.

Edited, Jul 11th 2010 12:24am by rubina
#136 Jul 10 2010 at 11:38 PM Rating: Good
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Ps. CompUSA? Wtf? I used to work for tem, and the whole company tanked. They're back now, huh?


They did go out of business, but the Florida based company TigerDirect bought them out. They also bought Circuit City for the name sake, I don't believe they have any of those stores but I can't spam from them.


Edit: It turns out that Systemax bought out CompUSA. TigerDirect is a Systemax subsidiary. My apologies.

Edited, Jul 11th 2010 12:24am by rubina


Wow, that's pretty weird. They used to be owned by Groupo Sanborne (Carlos Slim), which is a company traded on the Mexican stock exchange. Ironic calling it CompUSA really. I worked for them here in WA, and there's not a trace of them to be found. I guess it's just in a pretty small area now?

Anyway... Has anyone heard anything yet about the actual XIV client supporting SLI?
#137 Jul 11 2010 at 12:54 AM Rating: Good
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Ps. CompUSA? Wtf? I used to work for tem, and the whole company tanked. They're back now, huh?


They did go out of business, but the Florida based company TigerDirect bought them out. They also bought Circuit City for the name sake, I don't believe they have any of those stores but I can't spam from them.


Edit: It turns out that Systemax bought out CompUSA. TigerDirect is a Systemax subsidiary. My apologies.

Edited, Jul 11th 2010 12:24am by rubina


Wow, that's pretty weird. They used to be owned by Groupo Sanborne (Carlos Slim), which is a company traded on the Mexican stock exchange. Ironic calling it CompUSA really. I worked for them here in WA, and there's not a trace of them to be found. I guess it's just in a pretty small area now?

Anyway... Has anyone heard anything yet about the actual XIV client supporting SLI?


I seem to remember some mention that XIV should support crossfire and SLI. To be honest, I don't see any reason why a game with such high requirements wouldn't. But I'm not positive.
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Wow, that's pretty weird. They used to be owned by Groupo Sanborne (Carlos Slim), which is a company traded on the Mexican stock exchange. Ironic calling it CompUSA really. I worked for them here in WA, and there's not a trace of them to be found. I guess it's just in a pretty small area now?


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#139 Jul 12 2010 at 6:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Are either of these any good?

http://www.dlrcomputers.co.uk/item.do?item=603587
http://www.dlrcomputers.co.uk/item.do?item=603606

I'm currently running:

Intel Core 2 Quad Duo
Q6600@2.40GHz (4CPUs)
2048 MB Ram
Direct X 9.0c
NVidia Geforce 9500 GT
1440x700 (32 bit) 60Hz

Scores about 980 overclocked, and with Performance Test I got 1275 overall. My RAM and GPU definitely let me down; trying to work out if it's cheaper to go with one of the above or get a new GPU and new RAM, but I'm currently on XP Home Edition 32 bit (max 3.5 gb RAM I believe), and the most I could put on this motherboard is 2 new 2GB RAM sticks to replace the two 1GB ones in there now.

Edit - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/eVGA-GeForce-GTX-260-896MB-PCI-E-GTX260-Video-Card-/320552623354?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Computing_Computer_Components_Graphics_Video_TV_Cards_TW&hash=item4aa26cdcfa Does this look reliable?

Edited, Jul 12th 2010 8:39am by Tealtraum
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Is there an official statement on the number of core/thread the game support ? Wondering if lower clock 6 core or higher clock 4 core would be best.

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Are either of these any good?

http://www.dlrcomputers.co.uk/item.do?item=603587
http://www.dlrcomputers.co.uk/item.do?item=603606

I'm currently running:

Intel Core 2 Quad Duo
Q6600@2.40GHz (4CPUs)
2048 MB Ram
Direct X 9.0c
NVidia Geforce 9500 GT
1440x700 (32 bit) 60Hz

Scores about 980 overclocked, and with Performance Test I got 1275 overall. My RAM and GPU definitely let me down; trying to work out if it's cheaper to go with one of the above or get a new GPU and new RAM, but I'm currently on XP Home Edition 32 bit (max 3.5 gb RAM I believe), and the most I could put on this motherboard is 2 new 2GB RAM sticks to replace the two 1GB ones in there now.

Edit - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/eVGA-GeForce-GTX-260-896MB-PCI-E-GTX260-Video-Card-/320552623354?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Computing_Computer_Components_Graphics_Video_TV_Cards_TW&hash=item4aa26cdcfa Does this look reliable?

Edited, Jul 12th 2010 8:39am by Tealtraum



The first one will easily run the game at med settings, but not high. The second one is better than the first, but still won't be able to run the game on high smoothly.
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#143 Jul 12 2010 at 11:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Is there an official statement on the number of core/thread the game support ? Wondering if lower clock 6 core or higher clock 4 core would be best.



Higher clock 4 core would work better.
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They bought Circuit City for 14 million dollars.

I meet with their Director every year in Taipei Computex.

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#145 Jul 12 2010 at 5:17 PM Rating: Good
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Are most people using the 7500RPM drives? Do you think ta 10,000RPM drive would do anything for the performance of the benchmarker?
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Are most people using the 7500RPM drives? Do you think ta 10,000RPM drive would do anything for the performance of the benchmarker?


NONONO.

I think you are mis-understanding how a HD works. The only thing a 10k or SSD will do is lower start up time (time to load windows), lower loading times (how long it takes to open FFXIV, browsers, etc) and how fast you can write/read from the drive. You will not notice any increases in the benchmark by going with a 10k drive (although the scenes may load faster). Windows load time 7200 1min20 seconds. Load time 10k 45 seconds. Both similar machines on win 7 x64.

All that being said, I would never go back to a 7200RPM drive after purchasing my current 10k drive. And when the money and time are there I will be switching over to a raid set up.
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Looking to get some feedback here. I am in need of a new PC build for FFXIV release end of Sept. This PC will only be for gaming, and am looking to do my first build. I've been comparing CPU & GPU benchmarks and for the money, this build looks like it will do the trick, while also allowing some flexibility down the road. Now please note, I am now super whiz, so all feedback is welcomed.

The package with the Mobo, case, RAM & CPU here:

Newegg.com - Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, LED LCD TV, Digital Cameras and more!

The GPU here:

Newegg.com - EVGA 768-P3-1360-TR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 768MB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

I know I will need to pickup a HD & DVD RW, but what do you think?

p.s. I know I could prob use a good 8GB RAM, but this will do for now since it's 2X2 and there are 4 slots so I can upgrade when I have the extra funds.
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Alright, in light of the fact that it doesn't seem like anything I own will be able to run this for me on PC and I'm pretty sure I won't be able to wait until the PS3 release, I've begun looking into the process of building myself a desktop. I'm not sure if owning a desktop is practical for me right now, but I figured with the game still a couple of months away, it doesn't hurt to consider it. I've tried to use the information Mikhaila provided in this thread to the best of my understanding, but that still may not be very high, so I figured I'd post what I've come up with and let somebody more knowledgeable tell me what to keep/change, etc.

Working from ibuypower.com:

Processor ( Intel® Core™ i5 750 Processor (4x 2.66GHz/8MB L3 Cache) ) Scored 4,205 on passmark chart
iBUYPOWER PowerDrive ( PowerDrive Level 1 - Up to 10% Overclocking ) Necessary? Only costs $19.99 extra
Processor Cooling ( [Free Upgrade] Liquid CPU Cooling System w/ 120mm Radiator [SOCKET-1156] ) Sufficient?
Memory ( 4 GB [2 GB X2] DDR3-1333 Memory Module ) Is this enough? More than necessary? Can I go down to DDR2? If yes, 2GB or 4GB?
Video Card ( NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260 – 896MB - Single Card ) Scored 1,704 on passmark chart
Motherboard ( MSI P55M-SD40 ) No idea what this means... is it ok?
Motherboard Add-on ( None ) Need any?
Power Supply ( 650 Watt Casegears ECO-Element 80 Plus Certificated High Efficiency Power Supply SLI Ready ) Is 650 watts sufficient?
Primary Hard Drive ( 500 GB HARD DRIVE -- 16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 3.0Gb/s - Single Drive ) Enough? Upgrade to 750GB?
Data Hard Drive ( 500 GB HARD DRIVE -- 16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 3.0Gb/s - Single Drive ) Necessary? Can I skip this? It's optional in the build


Any help would be, once again, tremendously appreciated. I'd like to cut the costs down where ever I can so that if I do end up going this route it's as cost effective as possible. I figure the processor and video card are both fine according to their scores and the information in this thread. It's the memory, motherboard, power supply and hard drive(s) that I'd like to know if I need to upgrade or can downgrade to save a little scratch.


Edited, Jul 13th 2010 8:17pm by MCraine
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1) Processor ( Intel® Core™ i5 750 Processor (4x 2.66GHz/8MB L3 Cache) ) Scored 4,205 on passmark chart
2) iBUYPOWER PowerDrive ( PowerDrive Level 1 - Up to 10% Overclocking ) Necessary? Only costs $19.99 extra
3) Processor Cooling ( [Free Upgrade] Liquid CPU Cooling System w/ 120mm Radiator [SOCKET-1156] ) Sufficient?
4) Memory ( 4 GB [2 GB X2] DDR3-1333 Memory Module ) Is this enough? More than necessary? Can I go down to DDR2? If yes, 2GB or 4GB?
5) Video Card ( NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260 – 896MB - Single Card ) Scored 1,704 on passmark chart
6) Motherboard ( MSI P55M-SD40 ) No idea what this means... is it ok? Motherboard Add-on ( None ) Need any?
7) Power Supply ( 650 Watt Casegears ECO-Element 80 Plus Certificated High Efficiency Power Supply SLI Ready ) Is 650 watts sufficient?
8) Primary Hard Drive ( 500 GB HARD DRIVE -- 16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 3.0Gb/s - Single Drive ) Enough? Upgrade to 750GB?
9) Data Hard Drive ( 500 GB HARD DRIVE -- 16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 3.0Gb/s - Single Drive ) Necessary? Can I skip this? It's optional in the build


I'm going to number and give responses to each number to help keep it organized:

1) Great CPU for a great price.
2) It is trivial to spend this money. If you can overclock the PC at a later time by yourself I would say it is not worth it. If you want to buy the machine and not mess with it, for $19 I would do it.
3) Try to get an air cooled system, especially if you have never owned a custom PC like this...too much hassle with water cooled.
4) I would stick w/ at least 4GB of DDR3
5) Do they offer the GTX 460 yet? I would recommend that or the 5850.
6) Decent Mobo, MSI has a good reputation. Shouldn't need any options for the mobo. If you plan on overclocking your own CPU get the MSI P55 GD-65.
7) Should be good, whats the rating for +12v?
8) That is plenty unless you have over 20,000 music files and 1000s of pictures.
9) not needed
#150 Jul 13 2010 at 6:30 PM Rating: Good
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Working from ibuypower.com:

Processor ( Intel® Core™ i5 750 Processor (4x 2.66GHz/8MB L3 Cache) ) Scored 4,205 on passmark chart
iBUYPOWER PowerDrive ( PowerDrive Level 1 - Up to 10% Overclocking ) Necessary? Only costs $19.99 extra
Processor Cooling ( [Free Upgrade] Liquid CPU Cooling System w/ 120mm Radiator [SOCKET-1156] ) Sufficient?
Memory ( 4 GB [2 GB X2] DDR3-1333 Memory Module ) Is this enough? More than necessary? Can I go down to DDR2? If yes, 2GB or 4GB?
Video Card ( NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260 – 896MB - Single Card ) Scored 1,704 on passmark chart
Motherboard ( MSI P55M-SD40 ) No idea what this means... is it ok?
Motherboard Add-on ( None ) Need any?
Power Supply ( 650 Watt Casegears ECO-Element 80 Plus Certificated High Efficiency Power Supply SLI Ready ) Is 650 watts sufficient?
Primary Hard Drive ( 500 GB HARD DRIVE -- 16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 3.0Gb/s - Single Drive ) Enough? Upgrade to 750GB?
Data Hard Drive ( 500 GB HARD DRIVE -- 16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 3.0Gb/s - Single Drive ) Necessary? Can I skip this? It's optional in the build


CPU - Core i5 750 is a good choice.
Overclocking - it's not necessary, but if you wanna fork out the 20 bucks, it does make the system perform a little better.
RAM - I would suggest 4 GB DDR3-1333. Don't downgrade this below that, but you also don't -need- higher either.
Video - The GTX 260 isn't too bad. If you can spend a little more to go up, this is the first place I'd go up in.
Motherboard - Sounds fine to me. MSI is a good brand.
Motherboard Add-on - No, you don't need any.
Power Supply - 650W should be fine. Casegears is an okay brand.
Primary Hard Drive - If you feel you need to upgrade, go ahead. I personally think 500 is fine, but if you plan to store a lot of music, movies, games on your system, that's your call.
Data hard drive - Some people prefer to leave programs on their primary HD and have a second for their files/music/movies/etc. Others prefer to install their games and programs on HD2 and only their OS and system critical things on HD1. Others still prefer a raid mirror setup, where the two drives duplicate each other's data so that if one ever fails, there's always a backup. In any case, all three of these options are just that: options. You don't need a second hard drive at all and can easily go without one.
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1) Processor ( Intel® Core™ i5 750 Processor (4x 2.66GHz/8MB L3 Cache) ) Scored 4,205 on passmark chart
3) Processor Cooling ( [Free Upgrade] Liquid CPU Cooling System w/ 120mm Radiator [SOCKET-1156] ) Sufficient?


3) Try to get an air cooled system, especially if you have never owned a custom PC like this...too much hassle with water cooled.


I missed this bullet...

General rule of water cooling: If you have to ask if you need water cooling, you probably don't need water cooling.
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