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#152 Jul 13 2010 at 7:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Feedback is greatly appreciated guys. This is what I went back and came up with based on the recommendations. Leaves me some wiggle room to downgrade to a 500GB HD or GTX260 video card if I'm really tight on cash come August:

Processor ( Intel® Core™ i5 750 Processor (4x 2.66GHz/8MB L3 Cache) ) Same
iBUYPOWER PowerDrive ( PowerDrive Level 1 - Up to 10% Overclocking ) For $20, it's something I wouldn't know how to do myself
Processor Cooling ( Thermaltake SpinQ CPU Cooling Fan System ) Changed - the liquid cooler was standard this is a slight upgrade
Memory ( 4 GB [2 GB X2] DDR3-1333 Memory Module - Corsair or Major Brand ) Same
Video Card ( NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 - 1GB - Single Card ) Upgraded as recommended
Motherboard ( MSI P55M-SD40 ) Same
Power Supply ( 650 Watt -- Casegears ECO-Element 80 Plus Certificated High Efficiency Power Supply - SLI Ready ) Should I expect problems with Casegears?
Primary Hard Drive ( 750 GB HARD DRIVE -- 16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 3.0Gb/s - Single Drive ) Upgraded because I dropped the 2nd HD; is it worth it?


Let me know what you think.
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#153 Jul 13 2010 at 7:43 PM Rating: Good
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MCraine wrote:
Feedback is greatly appreciated guys. This is what I went back and came up with based on the recommendations. Leaves me some wiggle room to downgrade to a 500GB HD or GTX260 video card if I'm really tight on cash come August:

Processor ( Intel® Core™ i5 750 Processor (4x 2.66GHz/8MB L3 Cache) ) Same
iBUYPOWER PowerDrive ( PowerDrive Level 1 - Up to 10% Overclocking ) For $20, it's something I wouldn't know how to do myself
Processor Cooling ( Thermaltake SpinQ CPU Cooling Fan System ) Changed - the liquid cooler was standard this is a slight upgrade
Memory ( 4 GB [2 GB X2] DDR3-1333 Memory Module - Corsair or Major Brand ) Same
Video Card ( NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 - 1GB - Single Card ) Upgraded as recommended
Motherboard ( MSI P55M-SD40 ) Same
Power Supply ( 650 Watt -- Casegears ECO-Element 80 Plus Certificated High Efficiency Power Supply - SLI Ready ) Should I expect problems with Casegears?
Primary Hard Drive ( 750 GB HARD DRIVE -- 16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 3.0Gb/s - Single Drive ) Upgraded because I dropped the 2nd HD; is it worth it?


Let me know what you think.


Everything looks good to me. If you -had- to downgrade something, I'd downgrade the HD to 500 before I'd downgrade the GTX 460 to a 260. But the system looks pretty good as-is.

And of course, you can get whatever case you want that they offer.
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#154 Jul 13 2010 at 7:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for all the advice so far. Especially appreciate the quick replies. I think I'm probably crazy for even considering an $1,100 investment just to play an MMO, especially after repeatedly telling myself that I'm not going to allow FFXIV the same kind of addiction FFXI ended up leading to, but I suppose if I do end up shelling out this kind of dough I'll just stick to PC and let the gf play on PS3 come March. I shouldn't have any problems hooking this kind of rig up to a 32" LCD TV, should I? I know the TV can be linked up to a PC because I used to link up to my laptop for a larger itunes visualizer during parties.
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MCraine wrote:
Thanks for all the advice so far. Especially appreciate the quick replies. I think I'm probably crazy for even considering an $1,100 investment just to play an MMO, especially after repeatedly telling myself that I'm not going to allow FFXIV the same kind of addiction FFXI ended up leading to, but I suppose if I do end up shelling out this kind of dough I'll just stick to PC and let the gf play on PS3 come March. I shouldn't have any problems hooking this kind of rig up to a 32" LCD TV, should I? I know the TV can be linked up to a PC because I used to link up to my laptop for a larger itunes visualizer during parties.


If the computer and the TV both have compatible ports (both have DVI or both have HDMI or whatnot) then yes.

Also, I don't know how much of a PC gamer you are, but any system that will play XIV well should play just about any other game on pretty **** high, if not maxed.
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#156 Jul 14 2010 at 10:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Gents -

Do you mind providing some feedback on my post above a few back? Looks like it got skipped over.

Also, I will be running this to an 1080P LCD so per the previous response, looks like HDMI will have that covered. However, I do have a KICK *** surround sound setup, and would like to run the audio for that.

Will that motherboard (with it's native 7.1) allow that, or would I need to also get a sound card.

That aside, I saw another good setup, which is here:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.432236

On this one, it seems like I would need to use an ATI card and not the GTX 460...is this correct? Meaning, I can only use an ATI card?

Thanks in advance!
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#157 Jul 14 2010 at 10:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Gents -

Do you mind providing some feedback on my post above a few back? Looks like it got skipped over.

Also, I will be running this to an 1080P LCD so per the previous response, looks like HDMI will have that covered. However, I do have a KICK *** surround sound setup, and would like to run the audio for that.

Will that motherboard (with it's native 7.1) allow that, or would I need to also get a sound card.

That aside, I saw another good setup, which is here:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.432236

On this one, it seems like I would need to use an ATI card and not the GTX 460...is this correct? Meaning, I can only use an ATI card?

Thanks in advance!



I'm pretty sure the answers are "yes" to the first question and "no" to the second.
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#158 Jul 14 2010 at 2:10 PM Rating: Good
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KnocturnalOne wrote:
Gents -

Do you mind providing some feedback on my post above a few back? Looks like it got skipped over.


If you can recopy the post, I'll do my best.

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Will that motherboard (with it's native 7.1) allow that, or would I need to also get a sound card.


A motherboard that supports 7.1 -should- (barring any unforeseeable problems) be compatible with your existing surround sound system.

KnocturnalOne wrote:
That aside, I saw another good setup, which is here:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.432236

On this one, it seems like I would need to use an ATI card and not the GTX 460...is this correct? Meaning, I can only use an ATI card?

Thanks in advance!


You can use a GTX or a Radeon. They both plug in to the same thing (a PCI-Express x16 slot, and a 6/8 pin power cord)
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#159 Jul 15 2010 at 3:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Can you run this sh*t on a Q6600? You probably can. You can most likely also get the game started on a Core2Duo E8400 with a single Nvidia 9800GTX, but are you going to enjoy the game on Low settings?


Aww but that's the processor I have at the moment :)

No worries, planning to totally rebuild this system sooner or later anyway with parts that'll easily run the game so no offense taken.

Excellent and helpful thread by the way!
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Can you run this sh*t on a Q6600? You probably can. You can most likely also get the game started on a Core2Duo E8400 with a single Nvidia 9800GTX, but are you going to enjoy the game on Low settings?


Aww but that's the processor I have at the moment :)

No worries, planning to totally rebuild this system sooner or later anyway with parts that'll easily run the game so no offense taken.

Excellent and helpful thread by the way!


Just jumped in to this thread last night or I would have replied sooner. I am pretty sure your Q6600 will be fine for 720p resolution. I have a slightly overclocked Q6600 (2.7GHz) with an ATI HD4890 GPU.
FFXIV test gives around 2750 on 1080p setting and around 3500 on 720p. If I really wanted to max everything out I expect I would need to upgrade the m/b, it was a reasonable DDR2 board in it's day but is definitely second string now.
I don't expect to run on high settings at 1080p but should get something decent looking with a sensible framerate on 720p. So in this instance I will be waiting until something else forces me to upgrade. Something no one has really mentioned here yet. Don't buy the latest tech buy one level down for maximum cost effectiveness. Buy Core2Quad rather than i5/7, buy HD4800 series rather than HD5800 series.. That principle.

You can still get a useable machine for a budget, I consider what I have useable. It will do for a while, if it grates in 2 years the cost to upgrade to these $1500 specs will be maybe another $500. Even holding out until the end of 2010 will get you way more PC for your money. You won't miss out on any of the game doing this and there's always the *upgrade to PS3* route come march next year. I expect a PS3 will be by far the cheapest way to play if you are stuck with a PC that won't cut it.

Sorry for the waffle.
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#161 Jul 15 2010 at 11:17 AM Rating: Decent
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The initial build I wanted feedback on was this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.432230

I was going to pair that up with either the GTX 460 or 465 1GB card (which ever one was the one based on the new F104 chipset).

Another question I had as I continued to look at this stuff, is does this DIY combo come with a stock CPU cooling fan? The reason I ask is because some other DIY combos had standalone aftermarket CPU coolers, but this one doesn't list one, so just wanted to ensure I order all the parts needed. As mentioned, I realize I need to order a HD & OD...

Thanks so much!
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I was going to pair that up with either the GTX 460 or 465 1GB card (which ever one was the one based on the new F104 chipset).


The GTX 460.
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The 460 (Fermi) is supposed to be better than the 465, right? Also, did you see my other question about the CPU cooling fan above?

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The 460 (Fermi) is supposed to be better than the 465, right? Also, did you see my other question about the CPU cooling fan above?

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Right.

As for the other question, if the combo set doesn't specifically state that it comes with an aftermarket CPU cooler, then it will likely come with the stock one.
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#165 Jul 15 2010 at 2:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Just wanted to mention this since I haven't seen it in the previous forum posts:

If you have an SLI or Crossfire (me) setup, you can run the benchmark in this.

I was getting terrible scores before (approx 1500) for my setup in high resolution, but after running this on Crossfire mode, my scores almost tripled (using full-screen at 1680 x 1050)

Credits to the person who posted this:

Running the benchmark in Crossfire / SLI

The 1st post (almost near the end) will have the information required to run it in this setup.

My setup:

Vista 64
Core 2 Quad 2.83 GHz OC'd to 3.0 GHz
4 GB Corsair Dominator 1066 RAM
HIS ATI Radeon HD 4870X2 (2GB)

I'm going to be adding another 4GB of the same ram later this evening -- curious if it'll make much difference.
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4GB DDR2 533MHz (mixed) Will buy 1066MHz DDR2 when FFXIV releases.
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Windows 7 Ultimate x64

Low: 3104
High: 2506

Not bad for default Catalyst Control Center (plan on uninstalling soon), no Overclocking, AMD CoolNQuiet On. ATI 5770 seems to be the basic card needed minimal for FFXIV probably or the equivalent nVidia card.

Going to try XP Professional 32-bit in a little while.

Edited, Jul 15th 2010 7:44pm by Excenmille
#167 Jul 15 2010 at 6:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Awsome guide and links, thanks!
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#168 Jul 19 2010 at 11:13 PM Rating: Good
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Excellent guide here, lots of good info
My cpu score on the passmark is only 1257 and the graphics info isn't worth mentioning...
The computer wasn't bought with the intent to play games but here's some stats...
AMD Athlon Dualcore 4850e 2.5GHz
3G RAM, Vista32b, 500G HD
The really ugly: NVidia 6150SE 128MB and a 300W power supply

I'm a lifelong console gamer so excuse any ignorance here, but to me, it seems "ok" on paper if the power supply and video card were upgraded...but even then would that still be struggling to meet the minimum? If so it may make more sense just to start planning a new cpu...would be nice to have no worries of "Maybe it won't play the game come release day" & be able to enjoy the game on higher settings...

Edited, Jul 20th 2010 2:26am by TwistedOwl

Edited, Jul 20th 2010 2:31am by TwistedOwl
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Excenmille wrote:
AMD Athlon II x4 640 3.0GHz
MSI 770T-C45 Motherboard
4GB DDR2 533MHz (mixed) Will buy 1066MHz DDR2 when FFXIV releases.
Msi Hawk ATI 5770 1GB DDR5
1 TB WD Caviar Black 7200 rpm 32mb Cache
Windows 7 Ultimate x64

Low: 3104
High: 2506

Not bad for default Catalyst Control Center (plan on uninstalling soon), no Overclocking, AMD CoolNQuiet On. ATI 5770 seems to be the basic card needed minimal for FFXIV probably or the equivalent nVidia card.

Going to try XP Professional 32-bit in a little while.

Edited, Jul 15th 2010 7:44pm by Excenmille



Is that a system you already had or did you just get it?
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#170 Aug 09 2010 at 7:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey guys. Sorry if I seem like a huge noob here, but I figure asking can't hurt.

Well, this is kinda what I'm running with:

Operating System: Windows7
CPU: AMD Turion II Ultra Dual-core mobile 2.40 GHz
Memory: 4.00 GB
Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT

As for the motherboard, well... I'm still trying to figure this out. It's an HP laptop in the d7 series. I'm pretty sure the graphics card blows, but I think I might be able to run it if I upgrade. I'm even willing to go whole hog and drop 200 bucks for the GTX 460, if you guys think that'll fix it. My benchmark score was pretty abysmal- just about 130. I think I have the problem pinned, but I'm not that great of a computer person, so I'm looking to get some advice before I shell out any dough. Thanks for your help!
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Hey guys. Sorry if I seem like a huge noob here, but I figure asking can't hurt.

Well, this is kinda what I'm running with:

Operating System: Windows7
CPU: AMD Turion II Ultra Dual-core mobile 2.40 GHz
Memory: 4.00 GB
Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT

As for the motherboard, well... I'm still trying to figure this out. It's an HP laptop in the d7 series. I'm pretty sure the graphics card blows, but I think I might be able to run it if I upgrade. I'm even willing to go whole hog and drop 200 bucks for the GTX 460, if you guys think that'll fix it. My benchmark score was pretty abysmal- just about 130. I think I have the problem pinned, but I'm not that great of a computer person, so I'm looking to get some advice before I shell out any dough. Thanks for your help!


Going to have an issue with your processor as well. ram is fine but video card and processor not so good, if your pc only has a 300W power supply might be cheeper for a new pc.
depends on your mother board as well.
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Fisheystix wrote:
Hey guys. Sorry if I seem like a huge noob here, but I figure asking can't hurt.

Well, this is kinda what I'm running with:

Operating System: Windows7
CPU: AMD Turion II Ultra Dual-core mobile 2.40 GHz
Memory: 4.00 GB
Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT

As for the motherboard, well... I'm still trying to figure this out. It's an HP laptop in the d7 series. I'm pretty sure the graphics card blows, but I think I might be able to run it if I upgrade. I'm even willing to go whole hog and drop 200 bucks for the GTX 460, if you guys think that'll fix it. My benchmark score was pretty abysmal- just about 130. I think I have the problem pinned, but I'm not that great of a computer person, so I'm looking to get some advice before I shell out any dough. Thanks for your help!


Going to have an issue with your processor as well. ram is fine but video card and processor not so good, if your pc only has a 300W power supply might be cheeper for a new pc.
depends on your mother board as well.
It's a laptop. You're not upgrading it.

You need a drastically more powerful laptop to run FFXIV well. You just can't match the power of a PC to the slim portability of a laptop. Something has to give. Mobility GPUs just cannot compare to their desktop counterparts.
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#173 Aug 11 2010 at 4:13 PM Rating: Decent
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I just built a pc this month for under a 1k that scored 4650 on the benchmark and i could still drop another GPU in it and run sli. Ill have to do the same for my gf if she wants to play as well since i dont think her comp will run it. it is what it is.
#174izadore, Posted: Aug 13 2010 at 12:52 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Sorry, if I have to go blow $700+ just to play the thing, I'll pass. My system runs everything else just fine (WoW, Global Agenda, Aion, etc) at max settings just fine. If my current setup can't handle it, then it's not worth my time.
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Sorry, if I have to go blow $700+ just to play the thing, I'll pass. My system runs everything else just fine (WoW, Global Agenda, Aion, etc) at max settings just fine. If my current setup can't handle it, then it's not worth my time.


Who says you have to blow $700+? A PS3 is under $300.
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#176 Aug 13 2010 at 12:23 PM Rating: Default
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The people who don't want / can't wait another ~6months for it to come out on the PS3.
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Scoring below 800.....

Windows vista (that could be the first issue)

core duo 2.4 ghz
4gb ram DDR
nvidia 9600m 1gb
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why?????)??!!!!!!! lol
#178 Aug 13 2010 at 9:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Does it even matter if the video in the benchmark plays smooth also? Because it does.....
#179 Aug 14 2010 at 2:34 AM Rating: Decent
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My understanding is that the most common bottleneck in any system is the speed at which processor and memory speak to each other. We already have evidence of the highly processor intensive nature of the benchmark, and it wouldn't suprise me if a lot of people with some of the "odd" results (ie, excellent kit, but a strangely poor results), are suffering from a low communication speed between RAM and CPU.


Core i7's don't seem to give a rat's *** if you overclock the memory. Increasing the memory speed gives a 1-2% increase in performance, if that. Increasing LGA 1366 socket i7's beyond 1066 or LGA 1156 socket i7's beyond 1333 hardly has any effect on benchmarks at all.

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Does anyone know *why* the Ps3 version needs to be delayed? If anything, I would think they'd delay the PC version before that one. Don't most of the JP prefer the Playstation platform?


Because they haven't been able to get it to run acceptably on the PS3.
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I think I'm probably crazy for even considering an $1,100 investment just to play an MMO,


lmao this is exactly what I keep telling myself, finding myself needing a completely new PC top to bottom Im looking at the 1000-1100 min range just to play a MMO since I don't really play PC games anymore...Worst part is already having a PS3 but not wanting to wait til March lol

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The people who don't want / can't wait another ~6months for it to come out on the PS3.


Well he said if I have to spend 700 forgot about it so if he wont spend the 700 he can obviously wait til March then, unless these people mean if I cant play it right away I don't wanna play at all which I'm sure there might be a few, although some will prob change their minds. I wish I could lol.
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If you already have some parts, you can save some money. Ultimately though, it comes down to a question of "Do I want to get a computer that can run it now or do I want to wait up to 6 months for the PS3 version?"

There's no wrong answer.
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I'm looking forward to FF14, got in preordered for sept 22, but I'm way below the benchmark, averaging 900. I don't have a big budget,as I'm moving out with my gf sept.1, so am thinking of upgrading the processor.I plan to build a pc early next year, so am looking to just be able to play the game on min settings till then.done some research on processors and my motherboard,ran cpuz, and it has a lga 775 socket.was looking to spend $150-$200 on a processor upgrade.Thinking if i upgrade my processor i should hit 1500 or higher on the benchmark. any suggestions and help would be appreciated.

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I'm looking forward to FF14, got in preordered for sept 22, but I'm way below the benchmark, averaging 900. I don't have a big budget,as I'm moving out with my gf sept.1, so am thinking of upgrading the processor.I plan to build a pc early next year, so am looking to just be able to play the game on min settings till then.done some research on processors and my motherboard,ran cpuz, and it has a lga 775 socket.was looking to spend $150-$200 on a processor upgrade.Thinking if i upgrade my processor i should hit 1500 or higher on the benchmark. any suggestions and help would be appreciated.

Pentium 4 processor 3.2 GHz
zotac geforce gt 200 1gb ddr2
4 gb ddr2 ram


The video card is still kinda meh, and you aren't going to find a great processor for that board, some Core 2 Duos support LGA775 I think but you'll have to see if your board can handle them. I don't think you're going to get that to 1500 for $200 or less though unless you're buying used parts cheaply.
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you think i can run it on min settings at low res without much lag till after xmas when i can start buying parts for a new pc?I'm going to try and keep my fingers crossed that it can be playable till then.
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I have a Core 2 Duo E8400 3.0GHz with a 9800GTX in it and I ran the benchmark with a score of 2400 on the high res and 3750 on the low end so I am perfectly fine to run this game it seems. I do not need to absolutely run it on the highest settings but I do think it is ridiculous that you need a Quad with a $500 GPU just to play the game. I will be getting both the PC and the PS3 version of the game just because I like to sit in my living room sometimes but the PS3 isn't going to be capable of running it with these kinds of benchmarks. I seriously...seriously doubt that this will remain the benchmark for the game. I can run SC2 on maxed out settings with no lag or video hiccup so I have no concerns about being able to run FFXIV, even though yes SC2 isn't as intensive a game as FFXIV supposedly will be.

I just dont think telling people to go out and buy Quad PC's with expensive video cards when you really don't need to is a waste. Do you guys seriously think FFXIV will be this taxing on your system? Think about what SE has done in the past and tell me you believe that. Sorry but I just don't. I ran that benchmark with no issues whatsoever and it looked beautiful on my system as does SC2. I ran Fraps in the background and never dropped below 35 FPS on high res. I don't need to upgrade a PC I bought a year and a half ago (when Quads were first coming out)based on a benchmark test that I think is total crap. Just my humble opinion.

Now if you planned on upgrading anyway that's a different story.

If I did decide to upgrade my graphics card and thats a big IF..would the GTX 460 even work with an E8400....I think it will be fine but I am not 100% certain. I have a 750W PSU so I am good there just not sure if the mobo can handle that. A $229 upgrade is not that bad.

Edited, Aug 16th 2010 7:14pm by MrsGemini
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#188 Aug 23 2010 at 3:42 AM Rating: Decent
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For anyone who lives in the UK excited about FFXIV, www.aria.co.uk, to build your new computer, personally I can spec one for about 700-1100 including a screen spend 1100, get that 5970 your computer WILL last that long....

Mine is good enough I've spent some money on it, I'm tempting myself into getting a solid state drive, and a new nvidia when it comes out because I hear it will own ATi.......oh the tales of woe continue.
#189 Aug 25 2010 at 1:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Okay, so first off, thank you soooo much for all the info so far. Great help. Buuut, (and I'm sorry to be a bother ^^) being that this is the first time I'm really venturing in to PC gaming, I need a bit of advice.

My computer:
Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3
Intel Core 2 Duo CPU
E8400 @ 3.00GHz (2 CPUs)
2.99 GHz, 3.25 GB of RAM
ATI Radeon HD 4350 PCI-E 512 MB Graphics Card

I know the graphics card is below what you recommended, but BEFORE I bought the card, I was getting about a 300 score on the Benchmark, with it now, I'm still only getting about a 500!! O.o

What could be the problem, and what do you recommend I do? I was honestly not looking to spend too much money, as I'm tight on cash atm, but I'll deal with that if I must.

Thanks again!

Oh, also, I've heard a rumor that SE is releasing another FFXIV Benchmark because the first one is "flawed". I'm kind of hoping that this is why I'm getting such a low score, but I don't know if this rumor has any truth to it or not. Any idea?


Edited, Aug 25th 2010 3:12pm by livicolexD
#190 Aug 26 2010 at 9:17 AM Rating: Good
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livicolexD wrote:
My computer:
Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3
Intel Core 2 Duo CPU
E8400 @ 3.00GHz (2 CPUs)
2.99 GHz, 3.25 GB of RAM
ATI Radeon HD 4350 PCI-E 512 MB Graphics Card


Since a poster just a few up from you got decent results with the same CPU (E8400), it'd just be your video card holding you at that level. 4xxx is last generation, and x3xx is the bottom of the barrel (geared towards media playback rather than gaming), which is why it's not giving you much performance in the benchmark.

Using the PassMark score guide method (1500+ score on a component), the "minimum" would be a 5770 (just over a 1500 score). Assuming you're just looking to be able to play it at all reasonably (lowest resolution, lowest detail, etc.), I would think you could get away with a lesser card, but on the ATI side you'd probably still want to be at least at a 5670 or 4770 sort of level if possible. A 5770 is around $170 these days, and a 5670 would be around $100. Obviously the higher the video card you can manage the better, but a $100 card is probably going to be the minimum "safe" bet (from what I can tell from specs and other benches and such -- no guarantees a 5670 would indeed work well enough, but it looks like it should probably be okay at minimum settings).

Without getting feedback from someone in the beta with a similar sort of setup it'd be hard to say for sure what will or won't work, but I certainly assume that those of us currently scoring ~500 on the low-res bench are pretty well hosed no matter what (unless they've actually got a 640x480 or 720x480 res available then maybe we'd be able to squeak by with absolutely every effect/detail turned off). :)


Oh yeah, and yes it's rumored we'll have a new benchmark, but mostly I assume it's because the engine settings have been tweaked and finalized and so the original benchmark probably isn't at the same level of support (whether it's just some things like optimization or features like SLI or whatever). I wouldn't expect to be propelled from a 500 to 1500 (or even 1000) once the new benchmark is out, but maybe you'd go to a 550 or 600 if there are some optimizations in play. It'll probably make more of a difference for those who already have a reasonable level of performance in the current benchmark as maybe they were just under 30fps and will actually be able to get 30+ in the real game (and new bench). Have to see for sure when we get the updated benchmark app.

Edited, Aug 26th 2010 10:24am by Triane
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#191 Aug 27 2010 at 4:38 AM Rating: Decent
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I didn't exactly bomb it, but I certainly did nowhere near as well as I expected. I pulled 2764 on low on a machine I was sure I would be able to get more like 4500 with. I've got that nagging feeling that I'm missing something. Here are the main details on the machine.

HD 5850
Phenom II x4 955 (3.2 GHz)
8 gigs of Adata Gaming Series DDR3 (1600 MHz)
Catalyst 10.8

Generally I'd be OCing, but when I got that 2764, the cores generally stayed around 0% 30% 50% 30%; the GPU got nowhere near dangerous temperatures and stayed quiet. It was as though the machine wasn't using all there was to use for some reason. One of the cores of the CPU never left 0%.

Any ideas? I know I can do better than this.
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It still makes me nervous it won't run right even though I scored a little over 3800 (twice). Man, recommending an i7 seems a bit overkill...

Edited, Aug 27th 2010 6:59am by Vackashken
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#193 Aug 27 2010 at 3:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Since a poster just a few up from you got decent results with the same CPU (E8400), it'd just be your video card holding you at that level. 4xxx is last generation, and x3xx is the bottom of the barrel (geared towards media playback rather than gaming), which is why it's not giving you much performance in the benchmark.

Using the PassMark score guide method (1500+ score on a component), the "minimum" would be a 5770 (just over a 1500 score). Assuming you're just looking to be able to play it at all reasonably (lowest resolution, lowest detail, etc.), I would think you could get away with a lesser card, but on the ATI side you'd probably still want to be at least at a 5670 or 4770 sort of level if possible. A 5770 is around $170 these days, and a 5670 would be around $100. Obviously the higher the video card you can manage the better, but a $100 card is probably going to be the minimum "safe" bet (from what I can tell from specs and other benches and such -- no guarantees a 5670 would indeed work well enough, but it looks like it should probably be okay at minimum settings).



Being that I HAVE to go through Dell to purchase my Graphics Card (otherwise they void my computer's warranty), and they're a complete rip-off, I'm able to get a Radeon HD 5750 for around $190. I really didn't want to spend more than that, so do you think the 5750 will be decent enough to run the game?

(My computer, again:
Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3
Intel Core 2 Duo CPU
E8400 @ 3.00GHz (2 CPUs)
2.99 GHz, 3.25 GB of RAM)

Edited, Aug 27th 2010 5:55pm by livicolexD

Edited, Aug 27th 2010 5:57pm by livicolexD
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Being that I HAVE to go through Dell to purchase my Graphics Card (otherwise they void my computer's warranty), and they're a complete rip-off, I'm able to get a Radeon HD 5750 for around $190. I really didn't want to spend more than that, so do you think the 5750 will be decent enough to run the game?


Are you sure that they can actually void your warranty for not buying a Dell-sold video card? That seems a bit iffy, though with Dell's past issues with using proprietary connectors, it may be necessary (you'd hope not, but...). In any case, other than being a complete ripoff as you said, the 5750 would presumably be fine; it's not really that far behind the 5770, and so I'd think it'd be enough to get you playing decently enough.

Of course, no guarantees, but from the look of scores around here, you should certainly hit the 1500+ mark at least, which should be more than enough for reasonable play at low-res. (May bog down with any "Lower Jeuno effect", but normally sounds like the beta plays at least a little better than the bench shows.)
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#195 Aug 27 2010 at 4:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey guys - I was wondering if you could help me out with my computer. I don't know too much about this kind of stuff. I bought this computer 1 year ago from a University kid who made computers as a side job. Here are the specs:

Vista home premium (6.0 build 6002)
amd phenom II x4 940 processor (4CPUs) ~3.0GHz
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260
4gb RAM (1000mhz)(2 slots open)
Has a 5.9 rating on the Vista.

My Score was around 3500 on the low setting. Couldn't check it on high because my monitor is not big enough. What would you recommend I change? What type of upgrades? Is there software that would help?

Thanks in advance,
Ringol

Also - My memory seems to only hit 50% and CPU 45%.

Edited, Aug 27th 2010 7:14pm by Ringol
#196 Aug 27 2010 at 5:01 PM Rating: Good
Esthalos wrote:
I didn't exactly bomb it, but I certainly did nowhere near as well as I expected. I pulled 2764 on low on a machine I was sure I would be able to get more like 4500 with. I've got that nagging feeling that I'm missing something. Here are the main details on the machine.

HD 5850
Phenom II x4 955 (3.2 GHz)
8 gigs of Adata Gaming Series DDR3 (1600 MHz)
Catalyst 10.8

Generally I'd be OCing, but when I got that 2764, the cores generally stayed around 0% 30% 50% 30%; the GPU got nowhere near dangerous temperatures and stayed quiet. It was as though the machine wasn't using all there was to use for some reason. One of the cores of the CPU never left 0%.

Any ideas? I know I can do better than this.


Huh we have the exact same CPU and GPU and I scored more than 4300 on low. Something must be wrong. I don't know what it could be though, since I am no expert.

-edit-

Although I am not sure on the GHz - I have a Phenom II X4 955 and a XFX Radeon 5850

Edited, Aug 27th 2010 4:02pm by Olorinus
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That's what I thought, Olorinus. I've got the CPU at 3.6 GHz right now, and the GPU's processor up to 800 MHz, and still making a 3200 on low. What gives?
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U have 20 dmg, u shoot 30 dmg, but if ur not RNG, u want HALF, with no time reload, so u get 10. but, BUT, u want no DRG since ur shooting, so its 30 dmg or 10?
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Ringol wrote:
My Score was around 3500 on the low setting. Couldn't check it on high because my monitor is not big enough. What would you recommend I change? What type of upgrades? Is there software that would help?

Honestly, I wouldn't worry about a 3500 on low, especially if you aren't able to run at high-res anyway. :)


And Olorinus, are you running 10.8 like Esthalos is? Long shot, but sometimes the drivers can make a difference and maybe that's why Esthalos is getting a low result. :\ Certainly weird in any case.


EDIT - Got more details on Esthalos's dedicated thread, looks like it's probably the OS (XP64). :)

Edited, Aug 28th 2010 8:20am by Triane
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#199 Aug 30 2010 at 7:55 AM Rating: Default
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- geforce 9500, core 2 quad 4 GB ram, never get past 800 score on benchmark

Buying a new vid card a good idea?
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Ok, I bombed bad. I was hoping to play on release with both myself and my wife. So the key is to get one of our computer to run it for 6 months (till ps3 release), and get another new computer (I will ask on the build computer thread) to run it full time.

I am currently running a laptop

Intel cor 2 duo T8100 @ 2.1G
4 gb ram
nvidia geforce 8600M GS


Its painfully poor performance, like 400-500 on the benchmark

If I upgrade to Window 7, upgrade my drivers, do you think I could get it to run?

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Gents -

Do you mind providing some feedback on my post above a few back? Looks like it got skipped over.

Also, I will be running this to an 1080P LCD so per the previous response, looks like HDMI will have that covered. However, I do have a KICK *** surround sound setup, and would like to run the audio for that.

Will that motherboard (with it's native 7.1) allow that, or would I need to also get a sound card.

That aside, I saw another good setup, which is here:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.432236

On this one, it seems like I would need to use an ATI card and not the GTX 460...is this correct? Meaning, I can only use an ATI card?

Thanks in advance!


This should help with your surround sound.

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FINAL FANTASY XIV is a MMORPG that players can enjoy in 5.1ch surround sound. Please take this opportunity to experience the 5.1ch surround sound for yourself!

There are two major ways to output the 5.1ch through the PC:
- Connect through analog output
- Connect through digital output


1.Connect through analog output
Properly connect the audio output terminal on the onboard or dedicated sound card.
* Requires a sound device with an analog input (i.e. amplifier, speaker, etc.)

2.Connect through digital output
The easiest way to enjoy the 5.1ch surround sound with the digital output is through the HDMI connection.
*Requires a sound device with a HDMI input (i.e. amplifier, speaker, etc.)




The audio output in FINAL FANTASY XIV utilizes the linear pulse code modulation (L-PCM) method and it does not use a specific compression format. Therefore, any optical or coaxial digital audio terminals on the onboard or dedicated sound cards will only output monaural or stereophonic sounds.

If the PC is mounted with a real time encoder such as the Dolby Digital Live or DTS Connect, you will be able to experience the 5.1ch surround sound by connecting optical or coaxial digital terminals with Dolby Digital or DTS compatible sound devices. Please refer to the homepage of the sound card or the PC maker for more information on how to set up the real time encoders.

*The information listed above may differ depending on the PC environment.


If the sound device you possess does not support 5.1ch surround sound, please make the proper adjustments to the speaker setup to automatically downmix the sound output.
If you are experiencing sound related issues such as "I can't hear anything" or "The game volume is too low," please check your current speaker set up.

* If you are a Windows XP user, please refer to step 5 under "How to Set Up the 5.1ch Audio Output (Windows XP)" for instructions on how to make changes to the speaker setup.
* If you are a Windows Vista / 7 user, please refer to step 6 under "How to Set Up the 5.1ch Audio Output (Windows 7 / Vista)" for instructions on how to make changes to the speaker setup.


Edited, Aug 30th 2010 11:02am by Teneleven
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