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#1 Jul 03 2010 at 4:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Which are you getting and why, Goggles(basic edition) or Onion Helm(collectors edition)?
Goggles(basic) :7 (13.5%)
Onion Helm(collectors) :45 (86.5%)
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Personally getting the goggles, wish i had the +skill up effect on the onion helm as i don't see myself dying all that much so reduced "weakened" time is more of a waste. Onion helm >>>>> goggles in aesthetics. Goggles >>>> Onion helm in general gameplay use. SERIOUSLY wish it were reversed.

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Edited, Jul 3rd 2010 6:53am by PandhaBear
#2 Jul 03 2010 at 5:00 AM Rating: Decent
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Again, from what I understand, one is a pre-order bonus and one is a collectors edition bonus. It makes sense if you think about it, although this is square enix and they don't always make sense. I'm not 100% positive but about 99%.
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#3 Jul 03 2010 at 5:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, I too thought that the helm was for getting the collector's edition and the goggles are for pre-ordering the regular edition or collector's edition.
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#4 Jul 03 2010 at 5:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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If I have to choose (and I really hope I won't), then it's all about looks for me: the goggles. While I will be a Lalafell, and that helm would look great, the look of the goggles just appeals to me more. I honestly don't care at all about the actual bonuses they give. Most pre-order bonuses are only useful for a few levels, and even if these aren't, I've never been the hardcore, rush to endgame type player.
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#5 Jul 03 2010 at 5:29 AM Rating: Decent
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If I had to choose I'd take the Onion Helm as I usually get the collector's edition of games I'm looking forward to. As it stands now though I'm not sure if my laptop can even run XIV and I'm not trying to spend $75 to find out.

Hopefully they'll release a PS3 collector's edition with the same/similar bonus.
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I'd want Onion Helm, it looks sweet and I'm sure there will be other goggles attainable in the game (such as ones used for smithing)..I don't care about the bonuses they will most likely be very minuscule.
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#7 Jul 03 2010 at 6:52 AM Rating: Decent
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I was under the impression that the Collector's Edition came with both, while the Normal Edition didn't get the Onion Helmet.

Anyone know of a quote to clarify?
#8 Jul 03 2010 at 6:55 AM Rating: Decent
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It just seems really strange either way that Square Enix would give something to the regular edition that they wouldn't give in the collectors edition. That like, defeats the purpose OF the collectors edition. Also, it means a lot of people might not BUY the collectors edition (which is $25 more per sale per unit for square enix = more profit for them) just because they want the goggles. Makes no sense at all, I'm pretty sure if you pre-order the collectors edition you get both.
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#9 Jul 03 2010 at 7:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Plus with the CE you get the safety token.
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Sorry, I know it's off topic but I couldn't resist.

Maybe they'll figure out that it's something people really do want by the time they make their next MMO. Or, maybe they'll surprise us with it in an expansion. x x = crossed fingers.
#11 Jul 03 2010 at 7:52 AM Rating: Good
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According to Eorzeapedia they contacted SE and it's one or the other :(

"The community has been a little confused about the news yesterday and the difference between what in-game items are included (or not included) in the Collector’s Edition and the standard edition. We shot Square Enix a quick email to help clear the air. To put it simply, the Collector’s Edition only comes with the Onion Helm – it does not include the Garlond Goggles. We hope this clarifies things a bit for some people."

Although their wording is still open to pre-order interpretation.
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#12 Jul 03 2010 at 7:56 AM Rating: Decent
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Maybe they're hoping really devoted people will buy both.
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PerrinofSylph wrote:

"The community has been a little confused about the news yesterday and the difference between what in-game items are included (or not included) in the Collector’s Edition and the standard edition. We shot Square Enix a quick email to help clear the air. To put it simply, the Collector’s Edition only comes with the Onion Helm – it does not include the Garlond Goggles. We hope this clarifies things a bit for some people."


Not really nope.

Still saying it sounds completely stupid. With a collectors edition you do EVERYTHING in your power to make people want to buy it. You include everything the normal edition gets and MORE, this way you give them everything they could want and more. As it stands a lot of people will get the normal edition when they might have got the collectors edition, just go get the goggles, and Square Enix loses money.

I just don't think, even Square Enix is that stupid.
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#14 Jul 03 2010 at 8:24 AM Rating: Good
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The Goggles are to help normal edition players catch up to the players who have a week's head start. They probably stop working after a certain level, or have a limited number of charges. Even if they don't, as it has been mentioned there are a boatload of goggles in this game, I'm sure even that exact model is recycled at some point. The Onion Helm on the other hand is completely unique, and doesn't have a bad bonus itself.

If you want more neat stuff CE is definitely the way to go, the goggles are a countermeasure for players that don't really care or want the CE, but also don't want to be left in the dust in the first week. If you're insane, you can just buy both versions, and use both codes, you'll just have to remake your character after the first week, because the codes are not retroactive.
#15 Jul 03 2010 at 8:31 AM Rating: Good
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If I had to choose I'd take the Onion Helm as I usually get the collector's edition of games I'm looking forward to. As it stands now though I'm not sure if my laptop can even run XIV and I'm not trying to spend $75 to find out.

Hopefully they'll release a PS3 collector's edition with the same/similar bonus



Havent you run the benchmark test its free and you can find out then. Just download the program if you have video and audio and no skipping or very VERY little skipping then your golden

Also to add just goto this link
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/#/about/game_info

all awnsers will be revealed all you have to do is look. (i know thats really hard for SOME people to do)

Also i think the Googles will be the PS3 ingame item also because the same info is needed for the goggles as was with the FFXIII code. (membership to SE , and the Code to get item)
So im going to get the hat from the PC version and use my FFXIII code to get goggles : )

Edited, Jul 3rd 2010 10:36am by vermillionreign

Edited, Jul 3rd 2010 10:39am by vermillionreign
#16 Jul 03 2010 at 8:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Goggles will probably have charges, much like the rings in FFXI, Onion Helm will probably not have charges and be able to be used much longer.
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#17 Jul 03 2010 at 8:40 AM Rating: Decent
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vermillionreign wrote:
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If I had to choose I'd take the Onion Helm as I usually get the collector's edition of games I'm looking forward to. As it stands now though I'm not sure if my laptop can even run XIV and I'm not trying to spend $75 to find out.

Hopefully they'll release a PS3 collector's edition with the same/similar bonus



Havent you run the benchmark test its free and you can find out then. Just download the program if you have video and audio and no skipping or very VERY little skipping then your golden

Also to add just goto this link
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/#/about/game_info

all awnsers will be revealed all you have to do is look. (i know thats really hard for SOME people to do)

Edited, Jul 3rd 2010 10:36am by vermillionreign


Good information except for the bold text, this is incorrect, the video playing during the benchmark does not reflect at all how well your PC will run the game, the video is just eye candy and can not and does not reflect your score, which is what you should be paying attention to.
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Not entirely. The benchmark isn't "just" eye candy, as the video is actually rendered in real time like the game graphics will be. The score should definitely be considered as it reflects how your PC will handle extra effects and how it will deal with all of the player characters you'll find yourself around.

But if you run the video fine, you'll probably at least be ok with your settings down and not too many players around.

As for goggles/helm:

I'd really like both, and it's BS that I have to choose. Obviously I won't buy both, as that's stupid. I've already preordered the CE and that's that. At least the helm will be useful even when you're done progressing.

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Kachi wrote:
Not entirely. The benchmark isn't "just" eye candy, as the video is actually rendered in real time like the game graphics will be. The score should definitely be considered as it reflects how your PC will handle extra effects and how it will deal with all of the player characters you'll find yourself around.

But if you run the video fine, you'll probably at least be ok with your settings down and not too many players around.

As for goggles/helm:

I'd really like both, and it's BS that I have to choose. Obviously I won't buy both, as that's stupid. I've already preordered the CE and that's that. At least the helm will be useful even when you're done progressing.

Edited, Jul 3rd 2010 7:55am by Kachi


Obviously if the video looks like garbage, you're royally fudged, but what I was implying is, look at the score not the video, because you may be able to see the video fine but that does not mean you can run the full game online and have it look that good, because that video is just running on your local machine, with a very limited amount of characters and effects. Also it does not reflect the final version of the game.
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Hopefully they'll release a PS3 collector's edition with the same/similar bonus.


This. Because I already feel like we're getting the short end with a pushed back release date. I'd be super ****** if PS3 players don't get any bonus items at all. Yes, I'm willing to pay the extra cash for a CE on my PS3, I did the same crap with XII, and XIII.
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If I had to choose I'd take the Onion Helm as I usually get the collector's edition of games I'm looking forward to. As it stands now though I'm not sure if my laptop can even run XIV and I'm not trying to spend $75 to find out.

Hopefully they'll release a PS3 collector's edition with the same/similar bonus



Havent you run the benchmark test its free and you can find out then. Just download the program if you have video and audio and no skipping or very VERY little skipping then your golden

Also to add just goto this link
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/#/about/game_info

all awnsers will be revealed all you have to do is look. (i know thats really hard for SOME people to do)

Also i think the Googles will be the PS3 ingame item also because the same info is needed for the goggles as was with the FFXIII code. (membership to SE , and the Code to get item)
So im going to get the hat from the PC version and use my FFXIII code to get goggles : )


The video played beautifully on the benchmark, but I still only scored like 888. I'm holding out hope that maybe I can play it at low settings, but realistically I doubt it, and again don't wanna pay $75 to find out for sure.

As for the FFXIII I believe that has already been revealed to be Asuran Armbands.
#23 Jul 03 2010 at 10:49 AM Rating: Good
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I've given the issue a very small amount of thought...

Essentially, the onion helm has a negative-positive effect, meaning, in order to gain this effect it assumes you die. The less you die the less it benefits you. In contrast the goggles have a positive-positive effect, it helps you as long as you are killing things but probably only for a certain amount of charges.

Another problem is once you get an actual helm you'll want to use it instead of either of these, which is a benefit for the goggles, since they'll most likely be temporary.

Also, I think the onion helm would look kind of odd on anything other than a disciple of war being most fitting on a lancer.
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I'm getting the Onion Helm. Mainly because I really wanted all the other goodies in the Collectors Edition.
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I'm getting the Onion Helm. Mainly because I really wanted all the other goodies in the Collectors Edition.

Same.. Though if I had to pick one or the other, I'd go for the helm anyway. As has been said, skill-ups will stop when you cap them, but death/weakness will always be a factor.
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Hi.

Just to clarify, because this is getting beyond silly...

If you pre-order FFXIV...standard OR collector's edition, you get goggles.

PRE-ORDER = GOGGLES, REGARDLESS OF WHICH BOX YOU BUY.

Pre-order FFXIV and you get goggles.

NOT buy standard edition and get goggles.

PRE-ORDER EITHER AND GET GOGGLES.

k?

Buy CE...pre-order or not...and get Onion Helm.

PRE-ORDER CE AND GET ONION HELM. BUY CE FROM STORE SHELF WITHOUT PRE-ORDER AND GET ONION HELM.

Pre-order either box for goggles.

Buy CE for Onion Helm.

Are we clear now?


Unfortunately the official site disagrees with you.

Goggles are listed as the perk for the standard edition pre order and onion helm is listed as the perk for CE pre order.

As some one who pre ordered the CE, I would love to be wrong about this, but I see no reason to believe that you'll receive both items short of pre ordering both editions and using both codes on a single account.

Edited, Jul 3rd 2010 5:10pm by KarlHungis
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From here on, if anyone else is going to post info on what you get from which box/pre-order/whatever, please link proof (like the mysterious email reference). While it seems either/or, this is just getting really confusing...
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WooShoo wrote:
From here on, if anyone else is going to post info on what you get from which box/pre-order/whatever, please link proof (like the mysterious email reference). While it seems either/or, this is just getting really confusing...


vermillionreign already posted:

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/#/about/game_info

Let it load and then click "bonus content" for each product, and it's pretty clear.

Actually I did just notice some thing very interesting. "30 days free game time" is listed as a bonus for the collector's edition. A mistake? An effort to make it seem like you're getting more than you really are? or does the collector's edition actually give you 60 days of free game time?

Edited, Jul 3rd 2010 7:53pm by KarlHungis
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See, this is what I mean. I didn't see anything on the FFXIV site that actually said the Standard version gets 30 days free, but when has a Pay-to-Play MMO ever not given you the first 30 days free? I'm not going to try to confuse the information for anyone, so I just have to look at it for myself. I'll pick the CE as I want to start playing as soon as I can. If that means I only get one, then I'll live with that. If it ends up I get both for pre-ordering, awesome. It's just a little frustrating that with so many threads/posts on this, it still seems like rumor and speculation.

(my apologies if I am really just that clueless, and I have missed something somewhere, but hey, sometimes it's hard to see over the desk, I am a Lalafell after all...)

EDIT: ...cause I really am that clueless. Thank you to the posters below me who corrected this.

Edited, Jul 4th 2010 7:21am by WooShoo
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If you're insane, you can just buy both versions, and use both codes, you'll just have to remake your character after the first week, because the codes are not retroactive.


Yes and it looks like it's verified from the official site.

Once you register your reward code to your Square Enix account, all new characters that you create from then on will receive the in-game item. Characters created before you link the reward code to your Square Enix account, however, will not receive the item.

I wonder if they have item damage & decay, maybe they made the goggles unrepairable? That would sure shorten the lifespan of an item.
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I wonder if they have item damage & decay, maybe they made the goggles unrepairable? That would sure shorten the lifespan of an item.


According to SE, items will not break. I guess it'd be possible to change this on a case by case basis... but I kinda don't think that's what's going to happen. Just a hunch.

Edited, Jul 3rd 2010 5:04pm by Osarion
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hmm, if you read the orange text before the specifications for either Standard or Collector edition, it says that all new game packages come with a period of free gameplay, according to this Standard edition should also get some "free" gameplay included when you buy the game, how long will it be, 30days or less, I have no idea.

It is true that there is no info about 30days under the Standard Edition specifications.... I wish someone from SE staff would read this and clarify our doubts, if I am to get 60days with Collector, that is another reason to get that version instead of Standard...I tried sending a support ticket asking some things about the Collector edition, and I didn't get a good reply, simply that they did not have information about it and to check the main website.

=/ But the main website is confusing. What is the "Right of Passage" for? another unanswered question :P
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Actually, it lists free 30 days for both standard and collector's.

So them specifying garlond goggles for standard pre-orders and onion helm for collector's edition pre-orders would imply that CE pre-orders won't get the goggles.

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FREE GAMEPLAY — Free gameplay for 30 days.
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EARLY ACCESS — Play 8 days prior to the release of the Windows PC Standard Edition (timing of access subject to initial server capacity).
BEHIND-THE-SCENES DVD — Get an insider look at the making of FINAL FANTASY XIV, with exclusive video content, interviews and more in this special documentary DVD.
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It's not so much that they BREAK but they break down, meaning over time their effectiveness goes down to zero till you have said item "repaired". Also no one knows how either item will be used, either a permanent effect upon equip of either goggles/onion helm OR if they will use a charge system.

It's all speculation at this point and no one knows definitively how the pre-order items will work. Are the goggles a +2% xp gain (permanent), +10% xp gain for 3 hours / 10 charges total, etc. Same for the Onion Helm.

End point, no one knows tiddly squat about the CE items stop spewing your FFXI "this is how it worked in FFXI so it must work this way in FFXIV" nonsense. We'll know when it's out and in the hands of the people.
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I'll take my like 20 levels ahead of you over goggles any day.
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I'll take my like 20 levels ahead of you over goggles any day.


What?

Please explain how you think you'll have some major leveling advantage by having the onion helm (reduced death penalty time) compared to a boosted XP gain with the goggles.

Once again, What?
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What?

Please explain how you think you'll have some major leveling advantage by having the onion helm (reduced death penalty time) compared to a boosted XP gain with the goggles.

Once again, What?


you get to play 8 days before the standard edition is released.
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In 8 days I will most likely be level 20+, when you're just starting.
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Disclaimer: the following post is entirly my oppinion and some parts are ment to be read with heavy sarcasm in mind hehe. Though I realy think the onion helm looks realy dumb.

I fail to see how the onion helm is suposed to look cool... that has to be one of the dorkiest bits of armor I've seen in along time in an mmo.

I'm not to fond of the way the goggles look either but they are better than the helm :P

Statwise the goggles would be more desireable IMO as well.

In fact the 8 days of extra play seem to be the biggest advantage to buying the collecteres edition, and even if someone manages to get "20 levels" in eight days the slight time advantage won't matter in the end anyway... oooo you made it to max physical level before someone else, That's so good for someone like you :P
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Zurinadrg, MMORPGs are competitive that way, people like to be the first to get max level, first to get some shinies, etc etc.

The sooner you reach cap, the more you can monopolize on certain content that will make you quite rich for a long time to come, as well. Which ultimately gives you a huge advantage for the rest of the game.
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I fail to see how the onion helm is suposed to look cool... that has to be one of the dorkiest bits of armor I've seen in along time in an mmo.
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Zurinadrg, MMORPGs are competitive that way, people like to be the first to get max level, first to get some shinies, etc etc.

The sooner you reach cap, the more you can monopolize on certain content that will make you quite rich for a long time to come, as well. Which ultimately gives you a huge advantage for the rest of the game.


I am quite well aware of this... seriously no one read my disclaimer did they? I have been playing MMOs for more than a decade, I know how stupid people get over meaningless pixels they think will give them an excuse to not actualy play useing the skills they might have.

As for it developing into a large advantage for the rest of the game... since the game has yet to release we don't actualy know how much of an advantage these may or may not provide, the first few months are not likely to give anyone a large enough advantage over others to unbalance the game twards any one person. If there is a large enough advantage provided by an exclusive item then they are likely to fix it without telling anyone.
All that matters is that there is enough of an effect that the people with them feel that they are somehow better than everyone else, it ussualy just leads to people acting like jerks... A few will go on to be wonderfull people and do alot for the comunity, but anything that lets people think they are the "haves" and new people are "Have Nots" ussualy ends poorly for the comunity as a whole.
The elitest type attitude you describe is one of the greatest negitive driving forces in MMO gaming..... *sigh* sorry didn't mean to rant.
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Agreed it is, but expect people to frown upon the new people coming during PS3 launch, and prefer to group with people who have multiple classes leveled. Same for CE people, they'll most likely be annoyed at the influx of SE people who will be spamming pointless questions in /shout.

Efficiency generally trumps niceness when you're grinding out levels/gil.

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And that is another reason why I preffer to play on RP servers, so I don't have to put up with those types of idiots nearly as much.

And I would personaly rather help a nice person learn what they need to know to be compitant than put up with an elite jerk for 30 seconds.
#48 Jul 05 2010 at 5:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Unfortunately for you though, SE doesn't have RP servers, only regular ones.
#49 Jul 05 2010 at 5:43 PM Rating: Good
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Helm >>> Goggles

The goggles are going to be an item that you might find useful for those first few levels when there isn't much good gear to use in that slot, but eventually (probably after a couple of days of playing with a new class) you're going to shed those goggle for a real piece of gear that has more than just skill-up stats.

The onion helm, on the other hand, should be a very nice item to use forever (if being weakened is anything like it is in ffxi).

Sure you could speculatively argue against me, but why would SE put the more valuable with the SE pre-order? They wouldn't. And since they made the game, Im sure they know which item is more valuable.

#50 Jul 05 2010 at 5:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Considering this is a conversation about the preorder items I won't get into mindless debate about RP server pros and cons.. I already stated my oppinion that neither items are very apealing looking to me, particularly the helm. Yes the stats are cool but that alone is not a reason to preorder for me.

Love of a game is good reason IMO, a hat that looks like a funky blue peeny shooting feathers out the end is not.
#51 Jul 05 2010 at 6:25 PM Rating: Good
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Unfortunately for you though, SE doesn't have RP servers, only regular ones.


There will be an unofficial RP server nonetheless.
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