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#1 Jul 06 2010 at 12:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Who else thinks that there will be a huge possibility of there being a brd in 14? I think it will be one of the last classes introduced before the game comes out because of the popularity of them in 11. i don't remember having a group without one ever and definitely not an endgame group without one. I'm hoping my assumptions are right because brd was so much fun to play in 11 and i quit before i got to endgame with mine (got about 68ish). Just want to hear others opinions on whether brd should be introduced or not.
#2 Jul 06 2010 at 12:44 PM Rating: Good
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I don't think it will be introduced in the initial release, but I believe it will be implemented in the future. It fits the mold easily, and it's a popular class from Final Fantasy titles.
#3 Jul 06 2010 at 12:47 PM Rating: Default
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yea, how long was 11 out before rise of zilart came out? cause i played when it was already out and had access to brd when i started, of course after i did the quest. i just hope they dont wait to release it till the first expansion like they did with 11 or im not going to be a happy camper :(
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Final Fantasy 11 was released in NA the same time RoZ was released. (for PC, the PS2 release came later). e.g. unless you played in Japan, you never played live FF XI pre-RoZ.
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#5 Jul 06 2010 at 1:03 PM Rating: Good
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Speculation is that there are already tentative plans to include a minstrel class.
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#6 Jul 06 2010 at 1:04 PM Rating: Default
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No i didnt, thanks for clearing that up btw lol i always wondered it just never took the time to find out for myself lol. i just hope we get brd early cause the other 2 casters sound cool but i dont know if they are cool enough to keep my interest till endgame
#7 Jul 06 2010 at 1:52 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd be surprised if they didn't release a brd or some other music based class by the first expansion, and they definitely should. However, I'm doubtful they release it at release, although that'd be a nice surprise. I'm fine with this though. I hope they release the game with the classes already announced and maybe one other mage or utility class. By releasing with fewer jobs as they did in FFXI they can more accurately gauge if the mechanics of the game are working as intended.

I try to be a class half-full type of guy; at least we can work on our physical level and subjob/2ndary skills prior to the release of classes: Brds, dancers, pet classes, support, etc. And by time these jobs come out, which I'm willing to bet heavily they would, we'll be better prepared.

All that being said. I really enjoyed brd. I got it 69, and it was going to be my 3rd job to 75. However, I retired from FF before that point. I did always love how useful I felt on brd though: unique support, debuffs, and an excellent puller. Also, it had one of the more interesting story lines in terms of job progression compared to other jobs I tried and equally loved: Thf and Nin.
#8 Jul 06 2010 at 1:58 PM Rating: Decent
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I honestly wouldn't expect anything other than what we've seen at release. Not that there's no chance they'll surprise us with a few classes, but I wouldn't get my hopes up. But the rumor mill says that they have nearly a dozen other classes thought up-- there will definitely be a nice variety of classes eventually.
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#9 Jul 06 2010 at 2:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Without specific jobs, it'll be easy to introduce instruments and a weapon type with various bard abilities
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#10 Jul 06 2010 at 4:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Yea the only downside to FFXIV i have noticed it that BRD hasnt been announced because i loved playing it in 11 and the game just got dull and i didnt finish it like i would have liked to so i want to start one from the beginning and go from there. im interested to see IF they do have brd class how they will incorporate the different instruments into it like flute and harp and wouldnt mind seeing some new ones like possibly drum or fiddle? lol i just have high hopes for playing brd right now
#11 Jul 07 2010 at 2:55 AM Rating: Default
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I hear someone went digging around in the Alpha build's files and found references to unreleased jobs and weapon types. They could be partially finished, scrapped, or placeholders. There didn't seem to be any references to Bards, Minstrels, or instruments. We'll likely have to wait until the first expansion to play the best job.

I apologize in advance if this isn't cool to post. It seems innocuous enough.
#12 Jul 07 2010 at 3:02 AM Rating: Good
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I would love to see BRD in XIV, because I did enjoy the class, but I hope that if it does come out, it doesn't have the latent effect of permanently negating any other job you have like it did in FFXI. Once your LS knows you're a BRD, you are usually a BRD -forever-.
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#14 Jul 07 2010 at 4:44 AM Rating: Good
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I hope if they introduce it, it goes back to sucking like in every other FF game right where it belongs. FFXI bard's existence is an error which FFXIV should correct!


Erm?

So you're hoping they intentionally introduce a class in a poor way that is likely to annoy a lot of players?

I don't understand the logic behind that, unless you whooshed me.
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#15 Jul 07 2010 at 4:50 AM Rating: Decent
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Brd is one of the jobs that I don't want back. The reason being is, with a brd type, comes content made to be balanced against parties with a brd, and then the player base gets jaded, and then it'll be the RDM/BRD issue from FFXI all over again, elitist a**hats. Of course this could also happen with a super tank, and super DD where the Devs balance the enemies against the "perfect" party build, so it's more of a dev issue.

I hope that every class has brd like abilities though, not as potent, and to allow players to take a class and add a bunch of those abilities to make a pseudo-brd.
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#16 Jul 07 2010 at 5:13 AM Rating: Decent
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I just like the idea of having a pure support class that isn't a healer.

Most games are just "healer/tank/DD" and I like the idea of a fourth slot in there; someone who is individually weak, but as a member of the group, makes the whole group stronger.
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#17 Jul 07 2010 at 8:12 AM Rating: Good
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I believe they have yet to add all of the classes (they still need gathering classes for the rest of the crafting classes) so I wouldn't be surprised if they added one more magical class but I get the feeling it wont be bard...too me it just doesn't seem to fit with the armor system. I just don't see music combining very well with the other classes and I don't see a bard gaining a lot from the other classes.

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#18 Jul 07 2010 at 9:10 AM Rating: Decent
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I want my Bard!

Bard will be weird though...b/c with the way it's setup now you would equip an instrument and use that to attack + buff?
#19 Jul 07 2010 at 9:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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Perhaps for an attack they would play so badly that all enemies die from complete agony.
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#20 Jul 07 2010 at 9:12 AM Rating: Decent
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I want my Bard!

Bard will be weird though...b/c with the way it's setup now you would equip an instrument and use that to attack + buff?


Not necessarily...the ability to do even basic attacks is tied to your class. SE could easily make it so that instruments come with no attack command. Of course, under the current system there would be no swapping of instruments mid-fight unless you were prepared to eat a time penalty.
#21 Jul 07 2010 at 9:38 AM Rating: Decent
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I just like the idea of having a pure support class that isn't a healer.

Most games are just "healer/tank/DD" and I like the idea of a fourth slot in there; someone who is individually weak, but as a member of the group, makes the whole group stronger.


Exactly. Those are my exact feelings. Though I plan on being an alchemist mainly, when I decide to some more serious combat stuff I would love to be able to play a full support class. No heals, no damage, just straight up buffs, debuffs, and status effects. I have always loved those classes on the few games (mainly MUDs) that I have played and had a class along those lines.
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#22 Jul 07 2010 at 10:02 AM Rating: Good
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The One and Only Aurelius wrote:
mpmaley wrote:
I want my Bard!

Bard will be weird though...b/c with the way it's setup now you would equip an instrument and use that to attack + buff?


Not necessarily...the ability to do even basic attacks is tied to your class. SE could easily make it so that instruments come with no attack command. Of course, under the current system there would be no swapping of instruments mid-fight unless you were prepared to eat a time penalty.


That would just mean you'd have to plan your instrument choices far more carefully. It would also give rise to instruments that were (to take FFXI terms)

Minuet +1 Madrigal +1 (instead of +2 to one or the other)

Possibly a bard specific class ability that allowed you to change instruments with less of a downtime penalty than normal weapons (since you can't attack). I dunno. Just speculating.
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#23 Jul 07 2010 at 10:29 AM Rating: Good
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#24 Jul 07 2010 at 12:49 PM Rating: Decent
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I'll play devil's advocate here.

I think Brd was a great job in FFXI. I personally never played the job before so sorry if i come off inaccurate. I hope that a bard type class doesn't actually come back unless it was used for a different function, rather than it just being a buff/debuff class. If you look at the currently revealed classes for the game, The Thaumaturge is your general buff and debuff magic user. With conjurer and thaumaturge filling the roles of attack/defense magic and buff/debuff magic, I really don't see another class that can fill another type or role. Also, most of the disciples of war, especially Lancer, have skills and weapon skills that buff your party or debuff your opponent. I think it would be more interesting if the buff and debuffing were spread out throughout the melee classes. At this moment, i see the the DoW being a lot more interesting to play than the DoM.

If they were to be a class that played musical instruments or something, hopefully it would do something different. its hard to break from the holy trinity and i don't think that the FFXIV developers are even trying to attempt to break the holy trinity. It seems like they're taking the approach of making many different playstyles of tank/healer/damagedealer/bufferdebuffer. Reading the skills also seem to point to a lot of passing around hate.
#25 Jul 07 2010 at 1:05 PM Rating: Decent
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I loved playing Bard in merit parties. Juggling 3 mobs, casting songs on my party, getting limits to 300+. Great feeling.
#26 Jul 07 2010 at 1:19 PM Rating: Good
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Puppy1 wrote:

Perhaps for an attack they would play so badly that all enemies die from complete agony.


I would love to see this too, but it would require a level of humor on SE's part that I honestly don't think they possess. I'd also like to be able to dual wield beer steiners, but I don't see that happening either.

On the fence here - Bard is overpowered in XI. I wouldn't be surprised if they are purposely leaving out a bard-like class because of the way it's played and sought after in XI. I'm not saying that I didn't enjoy playing it - but I am saying that the game was a little ridiculous in that some merit parties simply didn't happen at all because there was no bard to be had.

I can't tell you how many times I would try to build a meripo to have at least 6\10 people I asked reply with "got a bard?" It got to the point where if there was no bard, I wouldn't even try because I knew people wouldn't come. I don't want to see that happen in XIV.
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